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(The Raw Story)   Right-wing columnist urges GOP to abandon minority outreach: " 'Colorblind conservatism' is a dead end, and the future of the conservative movement is as a home for white ethnocentrism"   (rawstory.com) divider line 220
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2014-03-04 12:35:09 PM
If by future, he means "dead end", he is completely correct.
 
2014-03-04 12:41:17 PM
Choice A: dilute the party's hard-line stance against gays, immigrants, the poor, and other sacred cows
---Pro: less alienation of independents, less chance of derp-storm candidates like that "shut the whole thing down" guy
---Con: they alienate their own base of voters and become a diet version of the Democratic party

Choice B: stick to their guns
---Pro: they get to feel good, keep their base, and hey... guns!
---Con: they get bred out of relevance, increased chance of more derp-storm candidates
 
2014-03-04 12:46:35 PM
Well at least he is honest enough to admit to beliefs that many conservatives silently agree with and pretend they don't share.
 
2014-03-04 12:49:01 PM
Amen to THAT, brother. The only type of people that are going to be drawn to the Republican Party are either Bible thumpers or greedy assholes, so just focus on those two groups.
 
2014-03-04 12:49:44 PM
Without looking, I am going to guess that it's Pat Buchanan.

<looks>

I shoot, I forgot about that other overtly racist right wing columnist.
 
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2014-03-04 12:51:14 PM
It's the past of the conservative movement too.
 
2014-03-04 12:51:51 PM
I say they go for it. Might as well be honest with themselves.
 
2014-03-04 12:51:54 PM

factoryconnection: Choice A: dilute the party's hard-line stance against gays, immigrants, the poor, and other sacred cows
---Pro: less alienation of independents, less chance of derp-storm candidates like that "shut the whole thing down" guy
---Con: they alienate their own base of voters and become a diet version of the Democratic party

Choice B: stick to their guns
---Pro: they get to feel good, keep their base, and hey... guns!
---Con: they get bred out of relevance, increased chance of more derp-storm candidates


This is really no choice at all, and is merely the evolution of a party. At some point it becomes clear that the majority of Americans no longer believe in what you are selling (in this case, the nostalgic days of women in the kitchen, gays nonexistent, and being poor meant being lazy). When this happens there will eventually be a point at which it becomes clear that there is no longer any way to win large scale elections, and winning regional elections becomes increasingly rare. When one party looks to become monopolistic, either the weakening party will adopt some of the less offensive to its principles of the opposing party in the hopes of siphoning off voters, or the larger party itself will fracture, since there are always many disparate voices in a big tent party. The pieces then coalescing into the new two party system.
 
2014-03-04 12:53:13 PM
Derbyshire, who lost his job with the National Review after publishing a "nasty and indefensible" 2012 column about his racial prejudices

Derbyshire had been publishing nasty and indefensible columns about race for years before the National Review fired him. The idea that they didn't know that he was a white nationalist is complete bullsh*t. They didn't fire him for that; they hired him for that. They fired him because one of his articles by chance garnered mainstream outrage and damaged their brand. It didn't have anything to do with the fact that he's a racist.
 
2014-03-04 12:56:35 PM
How's that outreach coming?

bottom line, if they only cater to the white voters, they will not win elections.
 
2014-03-04 12:56:44 PM
The fact that he was honest about it puts him ahead of most Republicans.
 
2014-03-04 01:05:28 PM

nmrsnr: This is really no choice at all, and is merely the evolution of a party.


If I didn't present this as a Sophie's Choice situation, I apologize.
 
2014-03-04 01:07:56 PM
Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger
 
2014-03-04 01:12:53 PM
p.twimg.com
 
2014-03-04 01:19:51 PM
Why the Scary tag, Subby?  If they follow Derbyshire's prescription, the problem is self-correcting.  Political natural selection.
 
2014-03-04 01:26:20 PM

netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger


Yeah, I bet he isn't a true Scotsman either.
 
2014-03-04 01:27:44 PM

jake_lex: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

Yeah, I bet he isn't a true Scotsman either.


Indeed.  They kicked him out because he made for inconvenient PR.  Not because they disagreed with him.
 
2014-03-04 01:29:13 PM

Diogenes: jake_lex: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

Yeah, I bet he isn't a true Scotsman either.

Indeed.  They kicked him out because he made for inconvenient PR.  Not because they disagreed with him.


NRO was fine with him publishing racist dog-whistle editorials for years.  He was fired because he slipped up and lowered the frequency a tad too far.
 
2014-03-04 01:39:18 PM
Future? By that he means "present," I take it.
 
2014-03-04 01:39:56 PM
The GOP has minority outreach?
 
2014-03-04 01:41:08 PM
conservative movement is as a home for white ethnocentrism"

When has it NOT been?

Yes I know that's going to make some folks mad.

The truth is that the conservative ideology is outdated, and liberals and progressives are increasingly in a position to challenge and dispel it as the default position in society.
 
2014-03-04 01:41:36 PM

www.rawstory.com



"Look on my works, ye whitey, and despair."

 
2014-03-04 01:41:49 PM

nmrsnr: factoryconnection: Choice A: dilute the party's hard-line stance against gays, immigrants, the poor, and other sacred cows
---Pro: less alienation of independents, less chance of derp-storm candidates like that "shut the whole thing down" guy
---Con: they alienate their own base of voters and become a diet version of the Democratic party

Choice B: stick to their guns
---Pro: they get to feel good, keep their base, and hey... guns!
---Con: they get bred out of relevance, increased chance of more derp-storm candidates

This is really no choice at all, and is merely the evolution of a party. At some point it becomes clear that the majority of Americans no longer believe in what you are selling (in this case, the nostalgic days of women in the kitchen, gays nonexistent, and being poor meant being lazy). When this happens there will eventually be a point at which it becomes clear that there is no longer any way to win large scale elections, and winning regional elections becomes increasingly rare. When one party looks to become monopolistic, either the weakening party will adopt some of the less offensive to its principles of the opposing party in the hopes of siphoning off voters, or the larger party itself will fracture, since there are always many disparate voices in a big tent party. The pieces then coalescing into the new two party system.


Is it possible to evolve if one doesn't believe in evolution?
 
2014-03-04 01:42:35 PM
mailingitinpodcast.com
 
2014-03-04 01:42:48 PM
img.fark.net

Brown Stain of America?
 
2014-03-04 01:43:07 PM

Diogenes: Why the Scary tag, Subby?  If they follow Derbyshire's prescription, the problem is self-correcting.  Political natural selection.


I would have gone with [Obvious] myself.
 
2014-03-04 01:44:07 PM
Don't go changing, to try and please me...
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cdn.iwastesomuchtime.com
 
2014-03-04 01:44:08 PM
Oh look, another dumbass that thinks skin color matters.
 
2014-03-04 01:44:40 PM
I guess I should say, [Obvious] that this is what the GOP has believed all along, instead of [Obvious] that Derbyshire is right.
 
2014-03-04 01:45:17 PM
I really don't see anything to disagree with here.
 
2014-03-04 01:47:30 PM
And they could really use some cool uniforms too.

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You know, so it's easier to tell them apart.
 
2014-03-04 01:47:43 PM
That's a little on the nose there, but he's just distilling the party's messaging.
 
2014-03-04 01:48:01 PM

netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger


Has Rand Paul picked him up as a staffer yet?
 
2014-03-04 01:49:24 PM
"Women are just like that," Derbyshire said. "One thing we might try would be putting some alpha males up front, instead of mealy-mouthed cringing betas."

Oh god, he reads 4chan as well.
 
2014-03-04 01:50:30 PM

meat0918: The GOP has minority outreach?



I hear they're planning to replace it with minority reach-around.
 
2014-03-04 01:53:02 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Oh look, another dumbass that thinks skin color matters.


we should secretly sequence his DNA.
I bet he is part black.
 
2014-03-04 01:53:19 PM
Even Dubya figured out they needed to expand the base...

DUBYA REALIZED THEY NEEDED TO EXPAND THE BASE!

/for christ's sake
 
2014-03-04 01:54:17 PM

HotWingConspiracy: "Women are just like that," Derbyshire said. "One thing we might try would be putting some alpha males up front, instead of mealy-mouthed cringing betas."

Oh god, he reads 4chan as well.


I was going to say he sounded like /r/TheRedPill.
 
2014-03-04 01:54:25 PM
Well, at least he's being honest.

/Some of my favourite people are boomers, but that generation must die for the world to move forward in a positive direction
 
2014-03-04 01:55:05 PM
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-04 01:55:06 PM

Teufelaffe: Is it possible to evolve if one doesn't believe in evolution?


The good thing about science is that it works whether you believe in it or not.


/apart from the placebo effect I guess
 
2014-03-04 01:55:11 PM

Teufelaffe: Is it possible to evolve if one doesn't believe in evolution?


Turns out hoping and praying (or lack thereof) has absolutely no impact on science.
 
2014-03-04 01:55:14 PM

Weaver95: Well at least he is honest enough to admit to beliefs that many conservatives silently agree with and pretend they don't share.


Indeed, it's refreshing for a racist to not shy away from showing he's a racist.  Still a scumbag, but a scumbag with integrity.
 
2014-03-04 01:55:21 PM

netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger


This.

Did  you notice the trolly fark headline was word for word the Raw Story headline?  Liberals honestly want to belive thier trolly headlines are true.  You know, if you repeat it enough,...
 
2014-03-04 01:55:26 PM

BritneysSpeculum: Without looking, I am going to guess that it's Pat Buchanan.

<looks>

I shoot, I forgot about that other overtly racist right wing columnist.


Ross Douthat? George Will? Ramesh Ponnuru? Mike Huckabee? Rick Santorum?

// John Derbyshire is my Hobbit-Whovian-Crossover LARP name
 
2014-03-04 01:57:31 PM

Danger Mouse: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

This.

Did  you notice the trolly fark headline was word for word the Raw Story headline?  Liberals honestly want to belive thier trolly headlines are true.  You know, if you repeat it enough,...


It doesn't really change the fact that they were happy with his racist scribblings until very recently, and the only reason they dumped him is because liberals pointed out how insane he was.
 
2014-03-04 01:58:20 PM

xria: Teufelaffe: Is it possible to evolve if one doesn't believe in evolution?

The good thing about science is that it works whether you believe in it or not.


/apart from the placebo effect I guess


Dammit.
 
2014-03-04 02:00:03 PM
Yeah, let's see you win elections with only white male sociopaths voting for you.
 
2014-03-04 02:00:13 PM

HotWingConspiracy: It doesn't really change the fact that they were happy with his racist scribblings until very recently, and the only reason they dumped him is because liberals pointed out how insane he was.


Also, I fail to see where either headline is factually wrong.  I guess you could make a case that he's not urging the GOP by name, but if he's talking about conservative politics, the GOP is the only feasible choice.  The Dems are center-right and the other parties are non-entities politically.
 
2014-03-04 02:00:21 PM

netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger


Neo-nazis are on the right wing of the political spectrum, bub. No matter how much you want to deny it. And he didn't get kicked out because he was a racist scumbag, he was kicked out because people NOTICED he was a racist scumbag.
 
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