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(International Business Times)   Prostitutes in Arizona are being offered choice of going to windowless church where they can have food and housing, or prison, which has windows. Unsurprisingly, most pick prison   (ibtimes.co.uk) divider line 156
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2014-03-04 12:14:33 PM
Speaking to Al Jazeera, she said: "Once you've prostituted you can never not have prostituted. Having that many body parts, having that many body fluids near you and doing things that are freaky and weird really messes up your idea of what a relationship looks like, and intimacy."

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2014-03-04 12:39:04 PM
sophrosyne.radical.r30.net

/you know, because, whores.
 
2014-03-04 12:40:35 PM
According to Al Jazeera, prostitutes are taken to a windowless church room at Bethany Bible Church, where they are offered housing, healthcare and other support. Although they have not been officially arrested, they are allegedly detained in handcuffs and prohibited from speaking to a lawyer.

So, let me get this straight: Government officers take people to a church, deny them to talk to anyone, and give them a 'caker or death' choice.
 
2014-03-04 12:40:53 PM
Wow, talk about separation of Church and State. Maybe if there was a variety of programs, some religious some not religious. But basically "Go to church or go to prison."  How is this constitutional?
 
2014-03-04 12:41:01 PM
Prostitutes in Arizona in a church with no windows? That's hot.
 
2014-03-04 12:41:27 PM
Disappointed...
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2014-03-04 12:42:34 PM
I think I'd pick prison too.

Of course you don't escape the churches in there.  They've got various Christian sects in their all the time trying to save souls.

Do Rabbis and Imams have the same presence in the prison system as Christian ministers?
 
2014-03-04 12:42:59 PM
"Cure"?  This is the same sort of thinking that leads to the idea that you can "cure" gays.

How about job-training and social programs to give them an alternate means of supporting themselves other than pray-the-whore-away?

Or better yet, how about legalised brothels to give them protection, and a place for unfarkable dudes to get their rocks off without resorting to dragging random girls into the bushes?
 
2014-03-04 12:43:06 PM
The Eighth Amendment has locked on to Arizona and is ready to fire.
 
2014-03-04 12:43:27 PM
 "Once you've prostituted you can never not have prostituted. Having that many body parts, having that many body fluids near you and doing things that are freaky and weird really messes up your idea of what a relationship looks like, and intimacy."

ASU really needs to be more picky in their choices for "Sociology Professors". This chick doesn't know a goddamned thing, except that sex (and fluids) is icky.
 
2014-03-04 12:43:48 PM
Chained Heat is getting a lot of play these days.
 
2014-03-04 12:44:00 PM
And yet whenever I abduct a few hookers and chain them up in the basement, I'm the bad guy.
 
2014-03-04 12:44:31 PM
FTFA: Project Rose is organised by Dominique Roe-Sepowitz, the director of the Office of Sex Trafficking Intervention Research and a professor of sociology at Arizona State. She estimates that 35% of the women who enter the programme eventually lead healthy, productive lives - but there is no solid evidence.

Really?

Arizona's taxpayers fund the scheme, which launches two days of raids each month.


...and there it is. Follow the money.
 
2014-03-04 12:45:23 PM

lordargent


Prostitutes in Arizona in a church with no windows? That's hot.


So they'll be sweating like whores in church?
 
2014-03-04 12:45:25 PM

Mikey1969: "Once you've prostituted you can never not have prostituted. Having that many body parts, having that many body fluids near you and doing things that are freaky and weird really messes up your idea of what a relationship looks like, and intimacy."

ASU really needs to be more picky in their choices for "Sociology Professors". This chick doesn't know a goddamned thing, except that sex (and fluids) is icky.


well, they have a way to shut that whole thing down.
 
2014-03-04 12:45:51 PM

MindStalker: Wow, talk about separation of Church and State. Maybe if there was a variety of programs, some religious some not religious. But basically "Go to church or go to prison."  How is this constitutional?


I am not a lawyer (not using the acronym in this thread), but it cannot be.
 
2014-03-04 12:45:55 PM
So this is how priests are made?
 
2014-03-04 12:46:27 PM

CygnusDarius: According to Al Jazeera, prostitutes are taken to a windowless church room at Bethany Bible Church, where they are offered housing, healthcare and other support. Although they have not been officially arrested, they are allegedly detained in handcuffs and prohibited from speaking to a lawyer.

So, let me get this straight: Government officers take people to a church, deny them to talk to anyone, and give them a 'caker or death' choice.


And it seems as though their choice consists of only a Christian church.  Maybe there aren't too many Islamic, Jewish or Buddhist hookers in AZ but still.
 
2014-03-04 12:47:04 PM

Bondith: "Cure"?  This is the same sort of thinking that leads to the idea that you can "cure" gays.

How about job-training and social programs to give them an alternate means of supporting themselves other than pray-the-whore-away?


Nah, that would take actual effort in creating jobs and training programs by those oh so holy "Job Creators". Instead, they rather demonize prostitutes instead of giving them pathways to meaningful, life supporting careers (this goes for the poor as well).
 
2014-03-04 12:47:43 PM

meat0918: MindStalker: Wow, talk about separation of Church and State. Maybe if there was a variety of programs, some religious some not religious. But basically "Go to church or go to prison."  How is this constitutional?

I am not a lawyer (not using the acronym in this thread), but it cannot be.


Congradulations! I now present you your GED In law! Make us proud, Sir.

Also, it's Arizona, namely Maricopa county. It's a consitutiton-free zone there. They don't care.
 
2014-03-04 12:47:56 PM
I like the correlation drawn between church and prison. It makes sense to me.
 
2014-03-04 12:48:12 PM

crozzo: And yet whenever I abduct a few hookers and chain them up in the basement, I'm the bad guy.


It's worth noting that the "craigslist killer" who killed single men and took their wallets to live on, had, prior to that ran a "Reborn christian prostitute rescue" ministry, where he imprisoned them and became their pimp.

//Never trust Christians and sex
 
2014-03-04 12:48:43 PM

CygnusDarius: According to Al Jazeera, prostitutes are taken to a windowless church room at Bethany Bible Church, where they are offered housing, healthcare and other support. Although they have not been officially arrested, they are allegedly detained in handcuffs and prohibited from speaking to a lawyer.

So, let me get this straight: Government officers take people to a church, deny them to talk to anyone, and give them a 'caker or death' choice.


Correction: since they have not been arrested, your comment should more accurately state:

Government officers kidnap people to a church.....
 
2014-03-04 12:51:06 PM

mainstreet62: The Eighth Amendment has locked on to Arizona and is ready to fire.


It's teamed up with the First, and they're about to tag-team that state
 
2014-03-04 12:51:46 PM
The next thing you know, the catholic church will be opening up schools for wayward boys. Oh, wait....
 
2014-03-04 12:52:41 PM
How is this even vaguely constitutional?
 
2014-03-04 12:52:51 PM
Cold me old fashioned, but I still like the title whore over "sex worker".  Trying to class it up.

It is like the ads you see online

"Elegant Courtesan trained in the ancient arts of shiatsu and tantra, come to my personal zen garden infused with scented oils and hot stones to enjoy the mystical sensuality of the east"

Which is always followed by "Greek Friendly, have hot friend for threesome, golden shower as long as it is not in mouth, and bbj depending on hygiene.  Nurses and school girl outfits by request".
 
2014-03-04 12:53:32 PM

htomc: CygnusDarius: According to Al Jazeera, prostitutes are taken to a windowless church room at Bethany Bible Church, where they are offered housing, healthcare and other support. Although they have not been officially arrested, they are allegedly detained in handcuffs and prohibited from speaking to a lawyer.

So, let me get this straight: Government officers take people to a church, deny them to talk to anyone, and give them a 'caker or death' choice.

Correction: since they have not been arrested, your comment should more accurately state:

Government officers kidnap people to a church.....


If they're not under arrest, they don't need a lawyer.
 
2014-03-04 12:53:32 PM

Carousel Beast: FTFA: Project Rose is organised by Dominique Roe-Sepowitz, the director of the Office of Sex Trafficking Intervention Research and a professor of sociology at Arizona State. She estimates that 35% of the women who enter the programme eventually lead healthy, productive lives - but there is no solid evidence.

Really?

Arizona's taxpayers fund the scheme, which launches two days of raids each month.


...and there it is. Follow the money.


Bingo!  My first Amendment Professor, the brilliant Professor Sheldon Nahmod used to observe over and over again that the 1st Amendment's establishment clause is of course intended to protect government from religious interference, but it is EQUALLY intended to protect religion from the corruption influences of money and politics.   When they intermingle it is variably a corrupting experience for the religious actors
 
2014-03-04 12:54:25 PM
At first, I was all "shenanigans", given the source was IBT citing Al Jazeera, then I was all "Damn, Arizona really DOES want its own Fark tag" after I found original stories on ABC.
 
2014-03-04 12:54:29 PM

Mikey1969: "Once you've prostituted you can never not have prostituted. Having that many body parts, having that many body fluids near you and doing things that are freaky and weird really messes up your idea of what a relationship looks like, and intimacy."

ASU really needs to be more picky in their choices for "Sociology Professors". This chick doesn't know a goddamned thing, except that sex (and fluids) is icky.



The bolded terms really don't go together at all, for anything.  So it's not at all shocking that this person is on their faculty and endorsing kidnapping for Jesus.
 
2014-03-04 12:55:11 PM

OtherLittleGuy: htomc: CygnusDarius: According to Al Jazeera, prostitutes are taken to a windowless church room at Bethany Bible Church, where they are offered housing, healthcare and other support. Although they have not been officially arrested, they are allegedly detained in handcuffs and prohibited from speaking to a lawyer.

So, let me get this straight: Government officers take people to a church, deny them to talk to anyone, and give them a 'caker or death' choice.

Correction: since they have not been arrested, your comment should more accurately state:

Government officers kidnap people to a church.....

If they're not under arrest, they don't need a lawyer.


If they're not under arrest, they are free to go.
 
2014-03-04 12:55:18 PM
This reminds me of the old "go to war or go to jail" thing they had going back during Vietnam. Why not give them THAT option? I'm sure the troops wouldn't mind. But it would give new meaning to the term "get your head down"..
 
2014-03-04 12:55:59 PM
The first thing you need to know about encounters with the police:

"Officer, am I free to go?"
 
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2014-03-04 12:56:44 PM

crozzo: And yet whenever I abduct a few hookers and chain them up in the basement, I'm the bad guy.


Do you have a naked dead guy hanging from a cross nailed to your wall?  That's the difference.  As long as you're doing it in the name of the naked dead guy, it's OK.
 
2014-03-04 12:57:19 PM
Bondith: "How about job-training and social programs to give them an alternate means of supporting themselves other than pray-the-whore-away?"

You seem to be under the impression that the goal of the program is to help anyone.
As opposed to a pilot program of streamlining the process of profiteering off law enforcement.

* more cops on the streets
* fewer pesky rights and defense attorneys
* tax-payer money still flowing into unaccountable pockets

... Sounds like the police-state trifecta. With bonus moral highground if anyone questions the 'service provider'.
 
2014-03-04 12:57:26 PM
According to Al Jazeera  stormchan.org
 
2014-03-04 12:57:37 PM

Silly_Sot: The first thing you need to know about encounters with the police:

"Officer, am I free to go?"


That really helps people who clearly committing a crime and could face severe penalties, if the police decide they want them to.
 
2014-03-04 12:58:10 PM

MindStalker: Wow, talk about separation of Church and State. Maybe if there was a variety of programs, some religious some not religious. But basically "Go to church or go to prison."  How is this constitutional?


Exactly. And should't a judge or DA be the one making deals, and not the local police?
 
2014-03-04 12:58:20 PM
I'll get a bit more concerned about the constitutionality of this when it comes from a source with a bit more credabiltiy than International Business Times.
 
2014-03-04 12:59:02 PM

meat0918: I think I'd pick prison too.

Of course you don't escape the churches in there.  They've got various Christian sects in their all the time trying to save souls.

Do Rabbis and Imams have the same presence in the prison system as Christian ministers?


*tips fedora*
 
2014-03-04 01:00:04 PM

AugieDoggyDaddy: I'll get a bit more concerned about the constitutionality of this when it comes from a source with a bit more credabiltiy than International Business Times.


But aren't we talking about the oldest profession EVAR!!???
\I apologize. Too much coffee
 
2014-03-04 01:00:18 PM

MassAsster: According to Al Jazeera  [stormchan.org image 850x606]


Al Jazeera English is one of the most respected news agencies in the World. Perhaps Fox Propagan- erm, I mean News would be more to your liking?
 
2014-03-04 01:01:06 PM

theflatline: Cold me old fashioned, but I still like the title whore over "sex worker".  Trying to class it up.


I prefer "hooker." "Dude, you've got to help me bury the dead sex worker I'm hiding in my trunk!" just doesn't have the same ring to it.
 
2014-03-04 01:01:26 PM

CygnusDarius: According to Al Jazeera, prostitutes are taken to a windowless church room at Bethany Bible Church, where they are offered housing, healthcare and other support. Although they have not been officially arrested, they are allegedly detained in handcuffs and prohibited from speaking to a lawyer.

So, let me get this straight: Government officers take people to a church, deny them to talk to anyone, and give them a 'caker or death' choice.


Did you stop reading after that? It is a program designed by a professor of sociology, not the church.
 
2014-03-04 01:02:01 PM

hardinparamedic: meat0918: MindStalker: Wow, talk about separation of Church and State. Maybe if there was a variety of programs, some religious some not religious. But basically "Go to church or go to prison."  How is this constitutional?

I am not a lawyer (not using the acronym in this thread), but it cannot be.

Congradulations! I now present you your GED In law! Make us proud, Sir.

Also, it's Arizona, namely Maricopa county. It's a consitutiton-free zone there. They don't care.


It's only valid when presented by the original holder of such a distinction.
 I really, really enjoy the flailing of the more extreme elements of the Christian faith in this county.  Most Christians are pretty level headed and normal people living their lives without fear of any sort of persecution whatsoever, but they have idiots like these guys in Arizona trying to exploit gaps they see in the wall of separation of church and state, in order to make a quick buck off the taxpayers, and all they end up doing is adding more reinforcement too said Wall.
 
2014-03-04 01:02:03 PM

hardinparamedic: MassAsster: According to Al Jazeera  [stormchan.org image 850x606]

Al Jazeera English is one of the most respected news agencies in the World. Perhaps Fox Propagan- erm, I mean News would be more to your liking?


Or Breitbart, mayhaps?.
 
2014-03-04 01:02:33 PM

Bondith: "Cure"?  This is the same sort of thinking that leads to the idea that you can "cure" gays.

How about job-training and social programs to give them an alternate means of supporting themselves other than pray-the-whore-away?

Or better yet, how about legalised brothels to give them protection, and a place for unfarkable dudes to get their rocks off without resorting to dragging random girls into the bushes?


Oh the irony. This is a social program, not a religious one. Did everyone stop after the 2nd paragraph?
 
2014-03-04 01:03:00 PM

MassAsster: According to Al Jazeera  [stormchan.org image 850x606]


"I don't like news sources that provide relatively unbiased in-depth news."
 
2014-03-04 01:03:24 PM

theflatline: Cold me old fashioned, but I still like the title whore over "sex worker".  Trying to class it up.

It is like the ads you see online

"Elegant Courtesan trained in the ancient arts of shiatsu and tantra, come to my personal zen garden infused with scented oils and hot stones to enjoy the mystical sensuality of the east"

Which is always followed by "Greek Friendly, have hot friend for threesome, golden shower as long as it is not in mouth, and bbj depending on hygiene.  Nurses and school girl outfits by request".


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