payattention: hardinparamedic - EMS is NOT a taxi ride.Not kidding. I could ride from Nashville to Knoxville in a taxi cheaper than I could ride in the ambulance the three miles it takes to get me to the emergency room./several paramedics in my family...//they all agree with you, but of course their jobs depend on this...///STILL don't have the $500 for a three mile ride, regardless of the situation...
Weatherkiss: The medical condition itself. If it's a stroke or heart attack, you could be dead waiting for an ambulance when the hospital is less than 3 minutes away in your car. It has to be life-threatening.
Weatherkiss: The distance to drive from where you live, and the distance the nearest ambulance would be.
Ivo Shandor: In this case I agree with the city. If you want to run a red light, do it inside an ambulance. If you're that sick you shouldn't be driving in the first place. Don't risk turning one medical emergency into two by hitting someone else.
Weatherkiss: Gyrfalcon: Generally, most people in panic situations don't think. So the idea that they are "putting the odds in their favor" is completely ridiculous--they are freaking out and NOT thinking. They are in survival mode. They are thinking "GOTTA GET HELP NOW!!" and are unable to realize that waiting for the medics will actually take less time and improve the life expectancy as opposed to throwing their loved one in the back seat and driving like a bat out of hell for the nearest ER.In a true life-or-death situation, risks are not weighed or minimized. They are flung out the nearest window in favor of GETTING HELP RIGHT NOW!!! by at least 99% of people. The 1% are those who survive. The rest are those who bleed out in the back of their friend's Monte Carlo, because the ER was only five minutes away and he'd been stabbed, man! We couldn't wait!And if you think that, well, you've not been in a true life-or-death situation; or else you are a cop/medic/soldier and can actually weigh risks. But that is not most people.For most people, yeah. But there are some people who are able to keep their cool even if it's their loved one and can train themselves and desensitize themselves from going into panic mode. Red light cameras don't differentiate between those people.
MythDragon: That's what I was thinking. I'd hope the whaambulance wouldn't just go "got my lights on, you farmers better not be in my way when I plow through"But stopping or going real slow and making sure the intersection is clear (if you can't see you don't go) seems reasonable. If some guy is stroking out (hehe) in the back, I don't see a point in sitting at a light that's got no traffic coming either way
Weatherkiss: All variables which tell me that dismissing/condoning the idea of running red lights during an emergency in your personal car/truck/whatever should be made on a case-by-case basis. I think it should be a guideline, sure. But there are always going to be situations that will require the rules to be bent or outright broken.
hardinparamedic: MythDragon: If I ever need an ambulance, you sir, have my permission to run as many Goddamn reds as you wishI have two friends who are dead because they tried to run a red light with the woo woo bus. We recently went through a debacle here where a police officer killed a family of three blowing through a red light.50% of ALL Emergency Vehicle accidents, not just abulances, occur at intersections that are improperly navigated through. And they kill non-rescuers just as much as rescuers.I'll get you to the hospital safe and alive, Sir. Everyone goes home.
hardinparamedic: pendy575: It is about safetyIt is if you're running a red light.I have nice flashy lights and sirens and I DONT do that.
pendy575: It is about safety
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