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(Mother Jones)   It's not just about the 845,000 Russian troops plus 1,389 Russian combat aircraft that is at heart of the Ukraine-Russia crisis, there's also a $115,000 wild boar statue involved. Here's the crisis by the numbers   (motherjones.com) divider line 65
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2014-03-04 01:45:47 PM  
BigNumber12:
Article was written by a woman, not sure what you expected.


A damned sammich if she knows what's good for her!
 
2014-03-04 01:56:29 PM  
UncleB: I need to buy some Polish lira just for the novelty. LOL

Seriously. The WSJ isn't even trying any more.
 
2014-03-04 01:59:15 PM  

Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: Tr0mBoNe: walktoanarcade: In my view, the Cold War never ended.

It didn't. It was paused during the 90s and then everyone forgot about Russia.

Sort of like in the early 2000's when we all forgot about Dre.


It was restarted by 9/11.

"Omgterrists!" was the Power Word: Resurrection spell for all the warhawks to put on their helmets and start screaming about "the enemy."

Japan had just finally admitted/apologized for the rape of Nanking, they recanted after 9/11.   Israel/Palestine had been quieting down, Russia was doing business and business was booming, the Norks were hiding in their holes.  Now this ignores all the groundwork laid before the strike, but the world got a lot more hawkish and a lot more conservative when the towers fell.
 
2014-03-04 02:00:52 PM  

Grahor: As for the gas pipeline: have you heard about  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream ? Russia have put a pipeline directly to Germany PRECISELY to avoid being in any way or form depedent on Ukraine's pipeline. Ukraine have once blackmailed Russia over the pipeline; it's not gonna happen again.

If Ukraine will cut the pipe, it will cause Russia monetary losses, but it will not be a disaster. It would, however, be pretty much the end of Ukraine economically.


You obviously have zero idea about the reality of Ukrainian exports.
 
2014-03-04 02:20:40 PM  

Infernalist: You obviously have zero idea about the reality of Ukrainian exports.


Enlighten me, o guru.

60% of Ukraine's exports go to former Soviet block, mostly Russia, Byelorussia, Kazakhstan. All 3 are members of the same trade union, which will be closed for Ukraine.

Ukraine imports 80+% of natural gas for its own consumption, mostly for industry. No imported gas = no industry.

Coal gasification, which Yanukovich's administration tried to develop to limit dependence of Ukraine on imported natural gas is not yet developed enough to make the difference.

So, I'm waiting with bated breath your words of wisdom on Ukrainian economy. Enlighten me!
 
2014-03-04 02:35:09 PM  

Grahor: Infernalist: You obviously have zero idea about the reality of Ukrainian exports.

Enlighten me, o guru.

60% of Ukraine's exports go to former Soviet block, mostly Russia, Byelorussia, Kazakhstan. All 3 are members of the same trade union, which will be closed for Ukraine.

Ukraine imports 80+% of natural gas for its own consumption, mostly for industry. No imported gas = no industry.

Coal gasification, which Yanukovich's administration tried to develop to limit dependence of Ukraine on imported natural gas is not yet developed enough to make the difference.

So, I'm waiting with bated breath your words of wisdom on Ukrainian economy. Enlighten me!


Agriculture.  I'll leave it up to you to do the actual homework.
 
2014-03-04 03:18:15 PM  
Maybe I'm just naive or stupid, but it would seem to me that if you have a civil war that overthrows a government, there might be some people in the country that liked things the way they were, and are ready to tell the rest of the country "Fine, f-off" and go their own way.

While I don't see it as being that bad in the U.S., if something similar were to happen to cause that kind of upheaval I can easily see most places more than 30 miles from the ocean telling the rest 'f-off, go do your own thing' and going their separate way.

In the case of Crimea, with a majority already favoring Moscow over Kiev, it would just seem the right time to make the move.
 
2014-03-04 04:21:21 PM  
Apparently, I should "study it out"...
 
2014-03-04 05:08:56 PM  

TheBigJerk: Japan had just finally admitted/apologized for the rape of Nanking, they recanted after 9/11.   Israel/Palestine had been quieting down, Russia was doing business and business was booming, the Norks were hiding in their holes.  Now this ignores all the groundwork laid before the strike, but the world got a lot more hawkish and a lot more conservative when the towers fell.


Funny how everyone goes running to conservatives when survival seems uncertain, isn't it? It's almost like people don't even expect liberals to have a real survival plan, only entertainingly wishful thinking.

/if it gets bad enough, the left will go crawling to Sarah Palin for help
//it wouldn't make the disaster worthwhile, and it almost certainly would be too late to save anything
///but at least we could die with a smile on our lips, and one last "told you so" echoing hollowly on the wind
 
2014-03-04 05:24:45 PM  
I love how people add ZEROS to that number. LOL.. Yeah almost a million troops on a tiny Peninsula. *shakes head.
 
2014-03-04 05:43:41 PM  
Yeah Russia is going to deploy all of their military troops and equipment there. They will bring all of their jets to bear upon Ukraine, and not leave any in other theaters.

What a poorly thought out "article." Also, most Russian experts believe that Russia is well short of the stated 800,000 troop levels, maybe more around 300k. They could conscript up to that level in event of a war, but standing army is far short of that.
 
2014-03-04 05:46:52 PM  
6: The number of Republican lawmakers who have criticized President Obama for how his administration has handled the crisis:

0: US lawmakers who have suggested the United States send troops into Ukraine.



In other words the US is all talk not action! No wonder we're so weak. So much for treaties!

The Budapest Memorandum REQUIRES that the US militarily protects Ukraine in such a case of foreign invasion especially by Russian forces. The US MUST start firing Tomahawks into Russian assets, employ a No Fly Zone over Crimea and start air dropping 82nd Airborne on top of Russian armor in the next 24 hours!

Will it escalate the war? sure.. will it potentially lead to thermonuclear war? perhaps! is it wise? probably not.. HOWEVER ...to do anything less basically voids the entire document and cheapens our word.
 
2014-03-04 08:24:28 PM  

Tatterdemalian: TheBigJerk: Japan had just finally admitted/apologized for the rape of Nanking, they recanted after 9/11.   Israel/Palestine had been quieting down, Russia was doing business and business was booming, the Norks were hiding in their holes.  Now this ignores all the groundwork laid before the strike, but the world got a lot more hawkish and a lot more conservative when the towers fell.

Funny how everyone goes running to conservatives when survival seems uncertain, isn't it? It's almost like people don't even expect liberals to have a real survival plan, only entertainingly wishful thinking.

/if it gets bad enough, the left will go crawling to Sarah Palin for help
//it wouldn't make the disaster worthwhile, and it almost certainly would be too late to save anything
///but at least we could die with a smile on our lips, and one last "told you so" echoing hollowly on the wind


Funny how the fearmongering parties in national politics around the world benefit when their countries' populations are afraid.

It's almost as if brain chemistry has a significant impact on voting habits, regardless of fact.
 
2014-03-04 09:11:30 PM  

Cymbal: Putin still has much to learn at the Dick Cheney Institute for Sadism and Sociopaths, he's already walking his position back. My guess is he hasn't gotten to the course on falsifying WMD reports.


The US tends to go to war with countries that can't fark us back.
 
2014-03-04 09:25:01 PM  

Infernalist: Grahor: As for the gas pipeline: have you heard about  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream ? Russia have put a pipeline directly to Germany PRECISELY to avoid being in any way or form depedent on Ukraine's pipeline. Ukraine have once blackmailed Russia over the pipeline; it's not gonna happen again.

If Ukraine will cut the pipe, it will cause Russia monetary losses, but it will not be a disaster. It would, however, be pretty much the end of Ukraine economically.

You obviously have zero idea about the reality of Ukrainian exports.


Pray, do tell, what in the hell does the Ukraine export and how its economy would function without natural gas?
Wheat? Salo? High-tech added value goods (lmao)? Ukrainian fusion reactors (double lol)?
You've been touting for this bs in every thread, seriously you warmongers want beef with Russia go to your local recruitment office in either America or the Ukraine otherwise shut your whore mouth and stop talking about something you have no goddamn idea about.
 
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