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(Mother Jones)   It's not just about the 845,000 Russian troops plus 1,389 Russian combat aircraft that is at heart of the Ukraine-Russia crisis, there's also a $115,000 wild boar statue involved. Here's the crisis by the numbers   (motherjones.com) divider line 65
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2014-03-04 10:50:14 AM
It'll really start getting interesting if Ukraine joins NATO.
 
2014-03-04 11:07:17 AM

Tr0mBoNe: It'll really start getting interesting if Ukraine joins NATO.


I'll be surprised if they'll get accepted into it. If NATO expedites their membership, it'd look incredibly aggressive in regards to Russia. Otherwise, the Ukraine would be waiting for a few years or so as the motion to join NATO shuffles through the bureaucracy. During which time it could be extremely unstable (if it isn't considered unstable now), and NATO would wash their hands of it and say, "Come back when you get your shiat together."

Poland on the other hand, if they get involved in protecting the Ukraine -- that's where it'll start to get interesting.
 
2014-03-04 11:08:16 AM
Go Hogs!
 
2014-03-04 11:11:52 AM

Tr0mBoNe: It'll really start getting interesting if Ukraine joins NATO.


I'm not saying you're thinking that's a good idea, but they shouldn't, as they're not anywhere near the North Atlantic, so why should they join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and install missiles and missile interceptors thusly provoking and endangering Russia?  (or at least giving Russia and Putin excellent rationale)

It would be like Russia installing missiles in Cuba. That'd be OK, right? Can't see any president having a problem with that..


In my view, the Cold War never ended.
 
2014-03-04 11:11:53 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-04 11:13:25 AM

Weatherkiss: Tr0mBoNe: It'll really start getting interesting if Ukraine joins NATO.

I'll be surprised if they'll get accepted into it. If NATO expedites their membership, it'd look incredibly aggressive in regards to Russia. Otherwise, the Ukraine would be waiting for a few years or so as the motion to join NATO shuffles through the bureaucracy. During which time it could be extremely unstable (if it isn't considered unstable now), and NATO would wash their hands of it and say, "Come back when you get your shiat together."

Poland on the other hand, if they get involved in protecting the Ukraine -- that's where it'll start to get interesting.


And Turkey. It's only a missiles flight away. Turkey can also block the only entrance to the Black Sea.

NATO already said that they want Ukraine and have had the door held open since 2008. Russia has been having kittens and basically threatened what they are doing now in Crimea if they did so. Its the obligation to protect their members that's the issue when that happens. It's the kind of thing that could bring down NATO if the US says "hells no" to participating in a land war in Asia.

/NATO blockades always end well :S
 
2014-03-04 11:15:10 AM
CSB: Once on vacation, I ate roast wild Russian boar in Jackson Hole, WY.
 
2014-03-04 11:15:48 AM
thehairpin.com

The reporter is pretty damn hot. I'd like to invade her territories.
 
2014-03-04 11:17:22 AM

walktoanarcade: In my view, the Cold War never ended.


It didn't. It was paused during the 90s and then everyone forgot about Russia. NATO is called the North Atlantic Trade Organization because of who founded it and where they are located. It is basically the UN without dirty commies.
 
2014-03-04 11:17:46 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [thehairpin.com image 412x502]

The reporter is pretty damn hot. I'd like to invade her territories.


Mom jeans? Really?
 
2014-03-04 11:19:02 AM

Tr0mBoNe: walktoanarcade: In my view, the Cold War never ended.

It didn't. It was paused during the 90s and then everyone forgot about Russia. NATO is called the North Atlantic Trade Organization because of who founded it and where they are located. It is basically the UN without dirty commies.


Good point.

I just want to add that because I can see the Russian view on this, doesn't mean I approve of everything they do...or may do.
 
2014-03-04 11:23:06 AM

Weatherkiss: Tr0mBoNe: It'll really start getting interesting if Ukraine joins NATO.

I'll be surprised if they'll get accepted into it. If NATO expedites their membership, it'd look incredibly aggressive in regards to Russia. Otherwise, the Ukraine would be waiting for a few years or so as the motion to join NATO shuffles through the bureaucracy. During which time it could be extremely unstable (if it isn't considered unstable now), and NATO would wash their hands of it and say, "Come back when you get your shiat together."

Poland on the other hand, if they get involved in protecting the Ukraine -- that's where it'll start to get interesting.


NATO has said for years that they'd welcome Ukraine whenever they wanted membership.  All they had to do was ask.

I think that offer is going to get snatched pretty damned quick now that Ukraine is out from underneath Russia's thumb.
 
2014-03-04 11:23:33 AM

Tr0mBoNe: walktoanarcade: In my view, the Cold War never ended.

It didn't. It was paused during the 90s and then everyone forgot about Russia.


Sort of like in the early 2000's when we all forgot about Dre.
 
2014-03-04 11:24:58 AM
Wait..a second....."Trade"?

Has someone been watching The Phantom Menace? ;)
 
2014-03-04 11:34:23 AM
Having perused a few market sites this morning, it would appear as if Putin is walking things back.  Russian troops massed on the Ukraine border are moving back to their bases and Pooty poot is making nicey-nice talk about how armed conflict isn't necessary.  As a result, the ruble is recovering and Russian markets are stabilizing.

All that's left to do now is to forge a compromise that lets Pooty save some dignity as he moves the situation back to the status quo before he lost his shiat.
 
2014-03-04 11:35:44 AM
Weatherkiss


Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [thehairpin.com image 412x502]

The reporter is pretty damn hot. I'd like to invade her territories.


Mom jeans? Really?


Hell those are more than mom jeans unless they are the kind with underwired support.
 
2014-03-04 11:36:32 AM

Weatherkiss: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [thehairpin.com image 412x502]

The reporter is pretty damn hot. I'd like to invade her territories.

Mom jeans? Really?


The fashion industry is inexplicably trying to bring them back. Apparently low rise jeans and thongs peaking out are too sexy or something. Idiots.
 
2014-03-04 11:45:29 AM
`Who the hell is head of State in Ukraine now after 6their revolution? Is the USA just pretending that the revolution did not happen and the new Ukraine leader was voted into office?
 
2014-03-04 11:45:49 AM
This whole mess is a bore!
 
2014-03-04 11:46:52 AM

Cymbal: Weatherkiss: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [thehairpin.com image 412x502]

The reporter is pretty damn hot. I'd like to invade her territories.

Mom jeans? Really?

The fashion industry is inexplicably trying to bring them back. Apparently low rise jeans and thongs peaking out are too sexy or something. Idiots.


Everything is cyclical, from the Cold War to fashion...
 
2014-03-04 11:47:05 AM
What are the arguments pro or con for $1B in loan guarantees?

A) Petty change from us in return for stability?
B) Some strategic interest?
C) ???

Really, is that a lot of money or a little money and why do this except it's like nations bringing a cup of sugar next door to welcome the neighbors?
 
2014-03-04 11:47:18 AM

Infernalist: Having perused a few market sites this morning, it would appear as if Putin is walking things back.  Russian troops massed on the Ukraine border are moving back to their bases and Pooty poot is making nicey-nice talk about how armed conflict isn't necessary.  As a result, the ruble is recovering and Russian markets are stabilizing.

All that's left to do now is to forge a compromise that lets Pooty save some dignity as he moves the situation back to the status quo before he lost his shiat.


Source? (I am hoping you're right btw)
 
2014-03-04 11:47:26 AM
I always love the "by the numbers" articles for how absolute shiate they are.

Comparing total numbers of soldiers, airframes, ships, etc. is nothing more than a fluff piece when it gets down to it. If Country A has 200 fighter jets and Country B only has 100, then Country A is going to win right? Well, until you realize that the vast majority of Country A's fighter fleet is comprised of 1970's MiG 21J "Fishbed" airframes and the like while Country B scrapped all of those and focused on the MiG-29's and Su-27's.

Or when you realize that the bulk of military personnel are in some MOS like "cook" or "quartermaster" and are not, in fact, infantry.

Also, am I really bad for wanting to see NATO get involved for the sheer pleasure of watching A-10's do what they were made to do?
 
2014-03-04 11:49:24 AM
aagreverseloan.com

/ bite the pillow, I'm going in dry
 
2014-03-04 11:51:57 AM
Mother Jones was a dress maker and Socialist
 
2014-03-04 11:53:39 AM

walktoanarcade: I just want to add that because I can see the Russian view on this, doesn't mean I approve of everything they do...or may do.


I am with you on that one. Ukraine joining NATO would be a personal insult to Putin and not great for the Russian economy. The only thing they'd do would be able to do would be to send peacekeepers and set up a blockade of the Black Sea. Both will end badly.
 
2014-03-04 11:54:18 AM

DrupyDrawrs: This whole mess is a bore!


The Bore War was in South Africa...
 
2014-03-04 11:56:02 AM

DarkSoulNoHope: Infernalist: Having perused a few market sites this morning, it would appear as if Putin is walking things back.  Russian troops massed on the Ukraine border are moving back to their bases and Pooty poot is making nicey-nice talk about how armed conflict isn't necessary.  As a result, the ruble is recovering and Russian markets are stabilizing.

All that's left to do now is to forge a compromise that lets Pooty save some dignity as he moves the situation back to the status quo before he lost his shiat.

Source? (I am hoping you're right btw)


http://stream.wsj.com/story/markets/SS-2-5/SS-2-471123/
 
2014-03-04 11:58:13 AM

Infernalist: DarkSoulNoHope: Infernalist: Having perused a few market sites this morning, it would appear as if Putin is walking things back.  Russian troops massed on the Ukraine border are moving back to their bases and Pooty poot is making nicey-nice talk about how armed conflict isn't necessary.  As a result, the ruble is recovering and Russian markets are stabilizing.

All that's left to do now is to forge a compromise that lets Pooty save some dignity as he moves the situation back to the status quo before he lost his shiat.

Source? (I am hoping you're right btw)

http://stream.wsj.com/story/markets/SS-2-5/SS-2-471123/


Here's the article in full because farking paywall.

Russian financial markets extended gains on Tuesday after the country's President Vladimir Putin said in a news conference that there is "no need yet" to use military force in Ukraine, taking some heat out of the exchanges between the two countries in recent days.

The benchmark Micex stock index is 5% higher Tuesday, recovering almost half the losses it suffered Monday when it closed down 11%. Gazprom, which has a large weighting on the index, was up 9% while Sberbank was 7.5% higher.

The Russian ruble has also made a strong comeback and is now up over 2% from the record low it hit against the dollar Monday-a slide that prompted the central bank to raise interest rates and sell dollars heavily to try and ease the pressure. The Russian currency has now recovered all the losses it made after tensions escalated over the weekend.

"All in all, [this is] not a massively confrontational speech by Putin, giving an additional boost to emerging-markets currencies," said Luis Costa, an analyst at Citigroup. In addition to the ruble, the Turkish lira, Polish lira and South African rand have also sprung higher, Mr. Costa noted.

The latest jump in the ruble and Russian stocks built on gains earlier Tuesday that came after Russia's defense minister ordered soldiers involved in combat-preparedness drills in parts of Russia to return to their bases.
News that the military drills had ended have helped ease investors' concerns, but the situation still remains very fragile as Russian forces maintain a military presence in Crimea. Mr. Putin said the troops are in the Ukrainian region to protect the population and secure Russian facilities.

The markets reaction to the latest newsflow suggests it may have downgraded the "Russia-Ukraine crisis" to a "Russia-Ukraine standoff," which could well be a complacent attitude, said emerging market strategists at UBS, in a note to clients.

"There are big outstanding questions with regards to potential civil strife in Ukraine, Russia's reaction to these, and the West's reaction, in turn, to Russia," the UBS strategists added.

Also in response to Mr. Putin's news conference, European stock markets are recovering strongly from the rout they suffered Monday. Germany's DAX rose 2.1%, after ending down 3.4% Monday. France's CAC 40 was 2.2% higher, while the U.K.'s FTSE 100 rose 1.4%.

Looking ahead, U.S. stock markets look set to claw back a large chunk of the losses they suffered on Monday. Just under an hour before the start of trading, futures contracts indicated 1% opening gains for both the Dow Jones Industrial Average and the S&P 500. Changes in futures don't always accurately predict market moves after the opening bell.

Another sign of the easing tension in financial markets was a weaker yen-a safe-haven asset that is typically bought in times of turmoil. Gold, which is also seen as a safe-harbor in times of financial market stress, was weaker, down around 1.2% at $1,333.90 an ounce

The price of oil, which had climbed to a 2014 high on Monday, also eased. Brent crude was most recently down 1.4% at $109.61 a barrel. Russia is one of the world's largest producers of oil.

In European government bond markets, the yield on the benchmark 10-year German Bund rose 0.05 percentage points to 1.60%, while the corresponding U.K. gilt yield rose by a similar margin to 2.69%. Yields rise as prices fall. In the case of these safe-retreat bonds, that is a sign of calmer nerves.

In Ukraine itself, the yield on the 10-year dollar-denominated Ukrainian bond eased to 10.03% from 10.30% on Monday. The yield on Ukrainian bonds maturing in June 2014 remained lofty, but eased to 40.89% from 42.42%.
Ukraine's currency, the hryvnia, also recovered, with the dollar most recently quoted at 9.45, down around 5% from late Monday.

-Neelabh Chaturvedi and Lukas Alpert contributed to this article.
 
2014-03-04 12:05:47 PM
static.panoramio.com
I'm sure he could've gotten a free copy from Silvio Berlusconi... Or even a trip to Florence.
 
2014-03-04 12:06:02 PM
When I read articles about Ukraine I suddenly get this strange feeling that everything is connected. It's like I could see the whole thing, one long chain of events that stretched all the way back before the French Revolution. I felt like I can see everything that happened, and everything that is going to happen. It was like a perfect pattern, laid out in front of me. And I realised we're all part of it, and all trapped by it.
 
2014-03-04 12:08:20 PM
l2.yimg.com
 
2014-03-04 12:13:04 PM

CygnusDarius: [l2.yimg.com image 850x566]


Mr Bean????
 
2014-03-04 12:21:36 PM

Weatherkiss: Tr0mBoNe: It'll really start getting interesting if Ukraine joins NATO.

I'll be surprised if they'll get accepted into it. If NATO expedites their membership, it'd look incredibly aggressive in regards to Russia. Otherwise, the Ukraine would be waiting for a few years or so as the motion to join NATO shuffles through the bureaucracy. During which time it could be extremely unstable (if it isn't considered unstable now), and NATO would wash their hands of it and say, "Come back when you get your shiat together."

Poland on the other hand, if they get involved in protecting the Ukraine -- that's where it'll start to get interesting.


OTOH i'd be very surprised if  Ukraine, Georgia, the Baltic States, Poland, and Czechoslovakia and maybe even Bulgaria  and Croatia haven't ALREADY begun talks on forming their own  NATO-like self defense pacl
 
2014-03-04 12:24:30 PM

Infernalist: Infernalist: DarkSoulNoHope: Infernalist: Having perused a few market sites this morning, it would appear as if Putin is walking things back.  Russian troops massed on the Ukraine border are moving back to their bases and Pooty poot is making nicey-nice talk about how armed conflict isn't necessary.  As a result, the ruble is recovering and Russian markets are stabilizing.

All that's left to do now is to forge a compromise that lets Pooty save some dignity as he moves the situation back to the status quo before he lost his shiat.

Source? (I am hoping you're right btw)

http://stream.wsj.com/story/markets/SS-2-5/SS-2-471123/

Here's the article in full because farking paywall.

Russian financial markets extended gains on Tuesday after the country's President Vladimir Putin said in a news conference that there is "no need yet" to use military force in Ukraine, taking some heat out of the exchanges between the two countries in recent days.

The benchmark Micex stock index is 5% higher Tuesday, recovering almost half the losses it suffered Monday when it closed down 11%. Gazprom, which has a large weighting on the index, was up 9% while Sberbank was 7.5% higher.

The Russian ruble has also made a strong comeback and is now up over 2% from the record low it hit against the dollar Monday-a slide that prompted the central bank to raise interest rates and sell dollars heavily to try and ease the pressure. The Russian currency has now recovered all the losses it made after tensions escalated over the weekend.

"All in all, [this is] not a massively confrontational speech by Putin, giving an additional boost to emerging-markets currencies," said Luis Costa, an analyst at Citigroup. In addition to the ruble, the Turkish lira, Polish lira and South African rand have also sprung higher, Mr. Costa noted.

The latest jump in the ruble and Russian stocks built on gains earlier Tuesday that came after Russia's defense minister ordered soldiers involved in combat-preparedness drill ...


Those numbers don;t match Russian sources.   Those said the Ruble dropped 11% on Monday, so a gain of 2% would leave it 9% in the hole, not back even
 
2014-03-04 12:27:56 PM
I wonder if all the Russian people completely freak out and insist its global thermal nuclear war everytime America illegally invades some country..
 
2014-03-04 12:30:16 PM

Infernalist: Having perused a few market sites this morning, it would appear as if Putin is walking things back.  Russian troops massed on the Ukraine border are moving back to their bases and Pooty poot is making nicey-nice talk about how armed conflict isn't necessary.  As a result, the ruble is recovering and Russian markets are stabilizing.

All that's left to do now is to forge a compromise that lets Pooty save some dignity as he moves the situation back to the status quo before he lost his shiat.


Let's hope so.


static2.businessinsider.com


Ukraine still has a MAJOR trump card available to them-- they have the option of shutting off the natural gas pipeline running through their country from Russia to Western Europe.  They're probably quietly reminding Russia of this every few hours as they prepare their military as best they can to resist a Russian invasion of the rest of Ukraine.

If they turn off the tap, then what? It's well into march, so while Europe would NOT be happy with facing a serious energy crisis it's unlikely anybody would freeze to death. Meanwhile, much of Russia's economy would suddenly find itself snagged by the short and curlies.

Would Russia be willing to invade and occupy a VERY hostile Ukraine over the pipeline?  Could Russia even prevent Ukraine from destroying the pipeline outright if they invaded?  What would Europe do if Russia invaded?
 
2014-03-04 12:30:41 PM
From TFA:  The Central Bank of Russia sold over $10 billion in US dollar reserves to restore the value of the ruble.

/money talks....
 
2014-03-04 12:36:09 PM
 
2014-03-04 12:36:43 PM

Gentoolive: I wonder if all the Russian people completely freak out and insist its global thermal nuclear war everytime America illegally invades some country..


Putin still has much to learn at the Dick Cheney Institute for Sadism and Sociopaths, he's already walking his position back. My guess is he hasn't gotten to the course on falsifying WMD reports.
 
2014-03-04 12:43:30 PM
I wonder if that value will hold up over time. Surely there must be some sort of limitations of statue.
 
2014-03-04 12:43:56 PM

Riche: Infernalist: Having perused a few market sites this morning, it would appear as if Putin is walking things back.  Russian troops massed on the Ukraine border are moving back to their bases and Pooty poot is making nicey-nice talk about how armed conflict isn't necessary.  As a result, the ruble is recovering and Russian markets are stabilizing.

All that's left to do now is to forge a compromise that lets Pooty save some dignity as he moves the situation back to the status quo before he lost his shiat.

Let's hope so.


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Ukraine still has a MAJOR trump card available to them-- they have the option of shutting off the natural gas pipeline running through their country from Russia to Western Europe.  They're probably quietly reminding Russia of this every few hours as they prepare their military as best they can to resist a Russian invasion of the rest of Ukraine.

If they turn off the tap, then what? It's well into march, so while Europe would NOT be happy with facing a serious energy crisis it's unlikely anybody would freeze to death. Meanwhile, much of Russia's economy would suddenly find itself snagged by the short and curlies.

Would Russia be willing to invade and occupy a VERY hostile Ukraine over the pipeline?  Could Russia even prevent Ukraine from destroying the pipeline outright if they invaded?  What would Europe do if Russia invaded?


Germany would be VERY upset if it happened (though less so than a month or so ago)  but If I am Ukraine's president I would get about 100 of my est troops give them each a couple of pounds of C-4  and tell them to disappear so even I don;t know where you are.   Then I'd very privately tell Russia they are on a a shot clock and need to withdraw all forces from my soil in one week or those men will start blowing up sections of pipeline, which I will of course denounce as unacceptable terrorist actions and vow to stop.  I will also tell Putin I will cooperate in any facing saving measure he needs like promising some sort of non-binding plebiscite on Crimea, but only until the first brick of c-4 goes off.  after that it's capitulation and humiliation only
 
2014-03-04 12:51:23 PM
And some low level functionary will do something stupid and start a full blown shiat storm.
 
2014-03-04 01:05:17 PM

Riche: Would Russia be willing to invade and occupy a VERY hostile Ukraine over the pipeline?  Could Russia even prevent Ukraine from destroying the pipeline outright if they invaded?  What would Europe do if Russia invaded?


To find the answers to these questions, and much more, tune into next weeks episode of Putin.

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2014-03-04 01:12:46 PM
CygnusDarius: "Well, hostilities have begun."

So they've opted for the "Cuban Missile Crisis" instead of the "Berlin Airlift" ?

I wouldn't say they're "hostilities" just yet.
 
2014-03-04 01:13:04 PM

CRIMEA RIVER!!!

 
2014-03-04 01:21:51 PM
People, you are living in lala-land.

Crimea and Kiev didn't want to do anything with each other for years; after that Crimea will simply refuse to take any orders from Kiev, no matter if the Russians are going to be there or not. Crimean population is, to put it in your terms, very nationalistic and pro-Russian and completely brainwashed, so any referendum will not go Ukraine's way and Russia will not allow to ignore it.

Eastern Ukraine is heavily tied to Russia economically and ethnically, but especially economically; cutting trade with Russia means Eastern Ukrain is dying from hunger, and Putin will cut trade if Ukraine will try to join NATO. Eastern Ukraine is going to declare independence from Kiev if forced to choose between freedom and cutting trade ties with Russia. Unless EU will pay it huge amounts of aid, which it will not do.

Eastern Ukrain will receive heavy consessions and probably autonomy from Kiev after that, and there will be no NATO for Ukraine, period.

Russia's positions in the region have strenghened enormously, as also domestically. Russian and pro-Russian media - the only one that matters in Russia and in surrounding regions, because, surprise-surprise, after the fall of the USSR pro-western media died off through the lack of funds and general distrust of population, and most of Russians and Russia-leaning people in the surrounding regions don't speak English and don't read pro-western media.

So, pro-Russian media displays the situation as Russia is the force of stability in the region, resisting nationalistic excesses of neo-nazis (and they have actual real videos and rhetorics showing those nationalists doing and saying very unfortunate words and deeds, in the heat of revolution) and protecting the minorities and order in a neighbouring country, and also, of course, the only country with the balls to do anything when shiat hits the fan.

The democracy have prevailed, with people of Crimea having their free democratic say on their own future, thanks to the Protector of Freedom and Democracy Russia.  And Russia did it without one single shot, without one single casuality, without one single death, and even without too much money wasted.

I've spoken with my 2 friends in Ukraine, one in Odessa, one in Mariupol, and they, and all the people around them, are totally buying it. Funny thing, I can't find anything to prove to them that it's wrong, because, technically, if you look at the situation from a limited angle, there is not a single direct lie in that.

*shrug* in short, from Russia's point of view, tremendous win for Russia, no chance of Ukraine in NATO and probably secured the trade with Eastern Ukraine, at least. As for Western Ukraine, there never was any desire on part of Russia to invade that hornet nest.
 
2014-03-04 01:25:59 PM

Infernalist: Infernalist: DarkSoulNoHope: Infernalist: Having perused a few market sites this morning, it would appear as if Putin is walking things back.  Russian troops massed on the Ukraine border are moving back to their bases and Pooty poot is making nicey-nice talk about how armed conflict isn't necessary.  As a result, the ruble is recovering and Russian markets are stabilizing.

All that's left to do now is to forge a compromise that lets Pooty save some dignity as he moves the situation back to the status quo before he lost his shiat.

Source? (I am hoping you're right btw)

http://stream.wsj.com/story/markets/SS-2-5/SS-2-471123/

Here's the article in full because farking paywall.

Russian financial markets extended gains on Tuesday after the country's President Vladimir Putin said in a news conference that there is "no need yet" to use military force in Ukraine, taking some heat out of the exchanges between the two countries in recent days.

The benchmark Micex stock index is 5% higher Tuesday, recovering almost half the losses it suffered Monday when it closed down 11%. Gazprom, which has a large weighting on the index, was up 9% while Sberbank was 7.5% higher.

The Russian ruble has also made a strong comeback and is now up over 2% from the record low it hit against the dollar Monday-a slide that prompted the central bank to raise interest rates and sell dollars heavily to try and ease the pressure. The Russian currency has now recovered all the losses it made after tensions escalated over the weekend.

"All in all, [this is] not a massively confrontational speech by Putin, giving an additional boost to emerging-markets currencies," said Luis Costa, an analyst at Citigroup. In addition to the ruble, the Turkish lira, Polish lira and South African rand have also sprung higher, Mr. Costa noted.

The latest jump in the ruble and Russian stocks built on gains earlier Tuesday that came after Russia's defense minister ordered soldiers involved in combat-preparedness drill ...


I need to buy some Polish lira just for the novelty. LOL
 
2014-03-04 01:29:03 PM
As for the gas pipeline: have you heard about  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream ? Russia have put a pipeline directly to Germany PRECISELY to avoid being in any way or form depedent on Ukraine's pipeline. Ukraine have once blackmailed Russia over the pipeline; it's not gonna happen again.

If Ukraine will cut the pipe, it will cause Russia monetary losses, but it will not be a disaster. It would, however, be pretty much the end of Ukraine economically.
 
2014-03-04 01:34:45 PM

walktoanarcade: I'm not saying you're thinking that's a good idea, but they shouldn't, as they're not anywhere near the North Atlantic, so why should they join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization


img.fark.net

Agrees wholeheartedly.

tallen702: I always love the "by the numbers" articles for how absolute shiate they are.

Comparing total numbers of soldiers, airframes, ships, etc. is nothing more than a fluff piece when it gets down to it. If Country A has 200 fighter jets and Country B only has 100, then Country A is going to win right? Well, until you realize that the vast majority of Country A's fighter fleet is comprised of 1970's MiG 21J "Fishbed" airframes and the like while Country B scrapped all of those and focused on the MiG-29's and Su-27's.

Or when you realize that the bulk of military personnel are in some MOS like "cook" or "quartermaster" and are not, in fact, infantry.


Article was written by a woman, not sure what you expected.
 
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