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(Slate)   What happens when some millennial discovers the book Jonathan Livingston Seagull and realizes what everyone else with half a brain realized 40 years ago? INSTANT SLATE ARTICLE   (slate.com) divider line 269
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2014-03-04 09:33:55 AM  
I have no hate for Bach but that book is horribly overrated.  As is the Zen one.

Pop psychology is bad enough.  Spare me the pop philosophy.
 
2014-03-04 09:38:21 AM  
I thought it was life-changing when I read it.  But I was thirteen and my testicles had not yet descended.
 
2014-03-04 09:47:11 AM  
The quality of any piece of creative work can be measured on a scale that extends from Dostoevsyky's Crime and Punishment on the high end to National Treasure II - Book of Secrets on the low end.

Seagull is somewhere in the great useless middle of that scale.
 
2014-03-04 09:52:22 AM  
"If our friendship depends on things like space and time, then when we finally overcome space and time, we've destroyed our own brotherhood! But overcome space, and all we have left is Here. Overcome time, and all we have left is Now. And in the middle of Here and Now, don't you think that we might see each other once or twice?"

Yes, the whole thing is like that.
 
2014-03-04 09:54:28 AM  
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Ahhhh, Bach!
 
2014-03-04 10:03:41 AM  
Does this mean everything from the 70's is coming back in style, now? Because I'm looking forward to the Millennials discovering primal scream therapy and macrame.

/but not the Slate articles
 
2014-03-04 10:05:16 AM  
I've never even heard of this book.
 
2014-03-04 10:20:16 AM  
But did he discover the Neil Diamond album, as well?
 
2014-03-04 10:21:37 AM  
Wait till he finds The Wall, The Last Waltz and a bong.
 
2014-03-04 10:29:01 AM  

johnnieconnie: Does this mean everything from the 70's is coming back in style, now? Because I'm looking forward to the Millennials discovering primal scream therapy and macrame.

/but not the Slate articles


LOL.

I hope they bring back EST.
 
2014-03-04 10:37:35 AM  

PainInTheASP: I thought it was life-changing when I read it.  But I was thirteen and my testicles had not yet descended.


Same...I hardly remember it.  I liked Illusions better but didn't really get much "life-changing" out of it.
 
2014-03-04 10:45:21 AM  

UberDave: PainInTheASP: I thought it was life-changing when I read it.  But I was thirteen and my testicles had not yet descended.

Same...I hardly remember it.  I liked Illusions better but didn't really get much "life-changing" out of it.


Because you never really learn.  You're simply remembering things your soul forgot.
 
2014-03-04 10:55:01 AM  

Diogenes: UberDave: PainInTheASP: I thought it was life-changing when I read it.  But I was thirteen and my testicles had not yet descended.

Same...I hardly remember it.  I liked Illusions better but didn't really get much "life-changing" out of it.

Because you never really learn.  You're simply remembering things your soul forgot.



I think I was just upset that I couldn't vaporize clouds with my mind as well as I had assumed.
 
2014-03-04 10:56:04 AM  
That book was the biggest load of post-hippie feel-good crap that ever landed on my parents' coffee table.
 
2014-03-04 10:57:09 AM  
It changed my life, taught me to never read such drivel again.
 
2014-03-04 10:58:45 AM  
Hey, Neil Diamond loved it, and that's good enough for me.
 
2014-03-04 11:13:10 AM  
Lesbian seagull......
 
2014-03-04 11:15:59 AM  

PainInTheASP: I thought it was life-changing when I read it.  But I was thirteen and my testicles had not yet descended.


*wipes monitor off*
 
2014-03-04 11:16:59 AM  

UberDave: PainInTheASP: I thought it was life-changing when I read it.  But I was thirteen and my testicles had not yet descended.

Same...I hardly remember it.  I liked Illusions better but didn't really get much "life-changing" out of it.


Illusions is pretty bad as well, if I remember correctly.
 
2014-03-04 11:17:22 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: Wait till he finds The Wall, The Last Waltz and a bong.


Grandma's attic is calling out to him ....

Let's not forget Love Story and the fact that it was based on the love of Al and Tipper Gore. Or that Al Gore's college room mate was Tommy Lee Jones.

How cool is that? A nerd and a jock are best buds and roomates in the 1960s or 1970s. You could make a very original movie on that premise.
 
2014-03-04 11:17:23 AM  

Diogenes: I have no hate for Bach but that book is horribly overrated.  As is the Zen one.

Pop psychology is bad enough.  Spare me the pop philosophy.


I'll admit, I did like Pirsig's thoughts on Plato.
 
2014-03-04 11:17:47 AM  
I enjoyed teh book when i read it.  I thought it was stupid the next day, but why not enjoy a book while reading it?
 
2014-03-04 11:18:19 AM  
I rather enjoyed the Electric Kool-Aide Acid Test.
 
2014-03-04 11:18:23 AM  
Christ just STFU about it already.
I had to live with that shait getting more than its 15 minutes back in the 70s.
Let me tell you. that made a lot of people stabby, having to hear about that book.
All the faking time. The only thing that got more air time was the war in Viet Nam, which was just back ground noise by then.
 
2014-03-04 11:18:24 AM  
"The Little Engine That Could" was much better written.
 
2014-03-04 11:19:06 AM  

PainInTheASP: I thought it was life-changing when I read it.  But I was thirteen and my testicles had not yet descended.


At 13 I was readin' about orcs and trolls(came in handy)Gollums, hobbitses and all kinds a stuff
Seagull? Steven Seagull maybe
 
2014-03-04 11:19:08 AM  
Don't let them near Illusions
 
2014-03-04 11:19:09 AM  
Diogenes:  Spare me the pop philosophy.

Better stay away from facebook
 
2014-03-04 11:19:20 AM  
Hey, someone's gotta tell the young generation which books to avoid.
 
2014-03-04 11:19:37 AM  
Wasn't there another Slate article last year that made fark... it was about some... 12 year old girl that followed a "how to be popular" 50s book and went from least popular to most popular in her school?
 
2014-03-04 11:19:43 AM  

Diogenes: I have no hate for Bach but that book is horribly overrated.  As is the Zen one.

Pop psychology is bad enough.  Spare me the pop philosophy.


Ohhhhhhhh. You should read the Celesbian Prophesy. it's totally crystals and incense.
It will change. your. life.
 
2014-03-04 11:20:37 AM  

Random Discord: I rather enjoyed the Electric Kool-Aide Acid Test.


But did you steal that book?
 
2014-03-04 11:22:04 AM  

dryknife: "The Little Engine That Could" was much better written.


For being a manifesto on the benefits of living a Communist life, sure...  It was a really solid read.
 
2014-03-04 11:22:16 AM  

Fluid: Diogenes: I have no hate for Bach but that book is horribly overrated.  As is the Zen one.

Pop psychology is bad enough.  Spare me the pop philosophy.

I'll admit, I did like Pirsig's thoughts on Plato.


Pirsig's book is pretty serious, compared with the other pablum it is often lumped together with.  There are many good insights and assessments of stodgy philosophy presented in novel form.  I like it, meh.
 
2014-03-04 11:22:58 AM  
Books are for people who don't have access to Fox News.
 
2014-03-04 11:23:13 AM  
I read it, and thought it was good. In a "That's a cool story. Now what's for dinner?" way, not a "OMG! This is the secret of the universe!" way.

Not following the herd and do what you want is a good message. Getting to heaven and being able to teleport is into WTF territory.
 
GBB
2014-03-04 11:23:24 AM  
Fight Club was life changing for me.

"Why did you drop out of school, Raymond?"
"Because it was hard....and stuff."
"Would you rather be dead?  Shot in the back of the head behind a convenience store?"
 
2014-03-04 11:23:39 AM  

Fluid: Diogenes: I have no hate for Bach but that book is horribly overrated.  As is the Zen one.

Pop psychology is bad enough.  Spare me the pop philosophy.

I'll admit, I did like Pirsig's thoughts on Plato.


I liked reading how Pirsig basically cracked as an engineer and was taking his "weekend parent" child on a cross-country motorcycle trip to get over it.

Strangely relevant to my upbringing a year or so later.
 
2014-03-04 11:23:47 AM  
I read that book at age 8 when it was released and didn't understand why everybody was making such a huge fuss over a poorly-written, entirely pedestrian allegory.

Much, much later I realized it was because most people are the common clay of the new west.
 
2014-03-04 11:24:55 AM  
I liked the Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test. I found Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance to be ponderous and self-important, and I gave up halfway through. Jonathan Livingston Seagull is pure tripe, but I don't think of that as a book for college stoners; it's more for high school or even middle school kids.
 
2014-03-04 11:25:14 AM  

vudukungfu: Diogenes: I have no hate for Bach but that book is horribly overrated.  As is the Zen one.

Pop psychology is bad enough.  Spare me the pop philosophy.

Ohhhhhhhh. You should read the Celesbian Prophesy. it's totally crystals and incense.
It will change. your. life.


I did just to see what the big deal was.  There wasn't one.

I think I have a superhuman capacity to finish awful books.  I even managed to get through the entire Left Behind series.  Wanted to see what those people were thinking.  I could polish off an edition in two hours on a plane so it's not like it was a big chore.

What was a chore is all the people who wanted to know what I thought about them.  They often didn't like my answers.
 
2014-03-04 11:25:16 AM  
I wish more young people would read works from the Enlightenment. A little John Stuart Mill, Adam Smith, Thomas Paine, Voltaire...could go a long way in making people better thinkers, and dispel the anti-intellectualism that seems ever so popular in America these days.

Also, more farkers could use an infusion of so called "hippie crap" into their lives. Lots of people around here lack any sense of empathy or warmth.
 
2014-03-04 11:25:17 AM  
The point that individualism is retarded and is fundamentally breaking American society isn't wrong.  The fact that he blames that on a book is stupidtarded.
 
2014-03-04 11:26:27 AM  

Diogenes: I have no hate for Bach but that book is horribly overrated.  As is the Zen one.

Pop psychology is bad enough.  Spare me the pop philosophy.


You Kant be serious.
 
2014-03-04 11:26:35 AM  
www.nndb.com
Knows all about Jonathan Livingston Seagull
/obscure?
 
2014-03-04 11:26:40 AM  
Speaking as a guy who was a teenager in the 1970s, the 1970s were the right armpit of history. All you need to retain from the 1970s is that everything sucked* and MAD magazine still had the original Gang of Idiots.

*Soviet style architecture was everywhere, clothes were at their most ridiculous since the early 1700s, and the food was terrible. TV was so-so. The movies were awful in a way which they have repeated ad nauseam ever since. Star Wars just doesn't make any sense and is offensively racist, sexist and stupid, just like the serials that it was lifted from. Lucas should have realized that copying that aspect of crap from the 1930s and 40s was not a good idea.

Nixon and Carter were Presidents of the 1970s. The oil crisis was the stupidest event of all time. Well, maybe Watergate, seeing as it gave us the -gate meme. Journalism went all to Hell except for the great work on Watergate. The damage done by the rise of the so-called Silent Majority will never be un-done.

Sucky, sucky, sucky, sue! That's what we learned in the 1970s--that every thing sucks and your only recourse is to litigate because it is the only right you have left, and you don't even have that most of the time.

I even wonder if it was a good idea to allow Americans to buy gold.

I could fill an encyclopedia with examples of how the 1970s were the Nadir of history. But just look at the life of Ralph Nadir and ask yourself, is this progress?
 
2014-03-04 11:27:16 AM  
I recall my parents watching the movie adaptation on our betamax. I recall it being a bunch of raw footage of seaguls, with voice acting over-top that wasn't really re-enforced by the image on screen.
 
2014-03-04 11:27:19 AM  
whatever, DNRTFA because, fark Slate
 
2014-03-04 11:27:22 AM  
Yes, but do you have a copy in Esperanto? Actually, I didn't care much for Jonathan but I did enjoy Illusions in the 70's. It had good advice about letting go of things you can't control.
 
2014-03-04 11:27:57 AM  

johnnieconnie: Because I'm looking forward to the Millennials discovering primal scream therapy and macrame.


Macrame has its uses

cdnd.lystit.com
 
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