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2014-03-04 09:37:11 AM  
What?  You mean this thing cries and poops?  Deal breaker.
 
2014-03-04 09:37:12 AM  
Here is your
baby back
baby back
baby back
 
2014-03-04 09:37:29 AM  
img.groundspeak.com
 
2014-03-04 09:40:35 AM  
Ard had no idea a safe surrender law existed, her lawyer says.
"She had been (in Alaska) a month," attorney Rex Butler said. "She had no idea. If she had known about it, she would have taken advantage of it."



So if she had only known that she could have given her baby away she wouldn't have killed it? how much farking trouble do you think you are going to get in giving a baby away that it is worth killing it to you? I could see if the girl was like 13 and she has a baby but it's a 26 year old woman.
 
2014-03-04 09:43:39 AM  

Headso: how much farking trouble do you think you are going to get in giving a baby away that it is worth killing it to you?


Well, there was that thing with a half-term governor who made her political views on punishing women who decided to have sex with having to keep their children. I guess you could kind of reach on that one.

But the woman was dumb for not checking into it beforehand over whether or not the state had a safe haven law.
 
2014-03-04 09:58:56 AM  
There's tons of people ready and willing to adopt a newborn.  Safe haven law or not, I can't imagine that it would be difficult to arrange that.
 
2014-03-04 10:01:18 AM  
That poor baby.


/You may now resume your snark.
 
2014-03-04 10:01:41 AM  
Can we get the same guarantee with spouses? Perhaps even if they are slightly used?
 
2014-03-04 10:06:13 AM  
www.globemagazine.com
"Why was I not told about this?"
 
2014-03-04 10:07:18 AM  

Ready-set: Here is your
baby back
baby back
baby back


....ribs.

Chili's baby back ribs!
 
2014-03-04 10:10:11 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: "Why was I not told about this?"


Talk about Hillary Clinton... misogynist war on women. Talk about Palin... party of open minded debate.
 
2014-03-04 10:14:56 AM  

Nightjars: There's tons of people ready and willing to adopt a newborn. Safe haven law or not, I can't imagine that it would be difficult to arrange that.


Then you know nothing about how adoption works in this country.

Two of my friends are trying to adopt in two completely different ways.  They are productive, well-adjusted people.  YEARS later, they're still trying.  Frankly, having witnessed their frustration and fear, pregnancy is a lot less of a PITA.
 
2014-03-04 10:15:24 AM  

MyRandomName: Prank Call of Cthulhu: "Why was I not told about this?"

Talk about Hillary Clinton... misogynist war on women. Talk about Palin... party of open minded debate.


playing the victim is pretty wimpy, breh.
 
2014-03-04 10:17:02 AM  

MyRandomName: Prank Call of Cthulhu: "Why was I not told about this?"

Talk about Hillary Clinton... misogynist war on women. Talk about Palin... party of open minded debate.


You sound...concerned.
 
2014-03-04 10:17:59 AM  
Glad to know there's a warranty, but I'm still holding out for the clearance sale.
 
2014-03-04 10:20:32 AM  

dragonchild: Nightjars: There's tons of people ready and willing to adopt a newborn. Safe haven law or not, I can't imagine that it would be difficult to arrange that.

Then you know nothing about how adoption works in this country.

Two of my friends are trying to adopt in two completely different ways.  They are productive, well-adjusted people.  YEARS later, they're still trying.  Frankly, having witnessed their frustration and fear, pregnancy is a lot less of a PITA.


based on the fact that she's killing them off I don't think this lady wants to adopt..she'd be on the otherside giving away a baby to people waiting for years on a list.
 
2014-03-04 10:23:36 AM  

Headso: based on the fact that she's killing them off I don't think this lady wants to adopt


I think your reading comprehension needs work.
 
2014-03-04 10:30:22 AM  

AbiNormal: Ready-set: Here is your
baby back
baby back
baby back

....ribs.

Chili's baby back ribs!


I always thought it was sad that their ribs were actually pretty dry and "meh" because they're slogan has had recognition years and years after it stopped being used.

For the American "crap on the walls" chain restaurant Ruby Tuesday's ribs were far better.
( I'm not saying any of them had GOOD ribs, so no need for  any BBQ smoker trolls come out to play )
 
2014-03-04 10:32:19 AM  
"Her baby was found on the morning of Oct. 15 wrapped in a towel and tucked under a bush at Eagle River's Turner Park..."

"...documents filed in court by prosecutors say DNA testing shows a man other than Ard's husband to be the father of the deceased newborn."


She didn't leave this baby out in the open for anyone to find.  She stuck it under a bush.  That says a fair bit.  The part about it not being her husband's child says a lot as well.  She probably didn't want anyone to associate her with this child.  I have serious doubts as to whether the safe harbor law would have made any difference to her.  In the end, I don't think it should matter.  Leaving a newborn under a bush in a park with a wind chill in the 40's...what did you think was going to happen?

If they really want to encourage people to make use of that law, they need to show that things are going to be much, much worse for you if you abandon an infant's life to chance like that.
 
2014-03-04 10:32:35 AM  

dragonchild: Nightjars: There's tons of people ready and willing to adopt a newborn. Safe haven law or not, I can't imagine that it would be difficult to arrange that.

Then you know nothing about how adoption works in this country.

Two of my friends are trying to adopt in two completely different ways.  They are productive, well-adjusted people.  YEARS later, they're still trying.  Frankly, having witnessed their frustration and fear, pregnancy is a lot less of a PITA.


Your comment deals with the receiving end of the adoption process.  I have no clue in what way you're disagreeing with me since you do not mention anything regarding the source side of the adoption process.
 
2014-03-04 10:42:51 AM  

dragonchild: Headso: based on the fact that she's killing them off I don't think this lady wants to adopt

I think your reading comprehension needs work.


says the guy  talking about waiting to adopt a kid in response to someone talking about giving away a baby...
 
2014-03-04 10:45:28 AM  
"Ard had no idea a safe surrender law existed, her lawyer says."

Assuming this is true, I'm sure she's aware that there is such a thing as adoption, I'm sure had she made even a simple phone call she could have the baby taken off her hands in short order.
 
2014-03-04 10:48:49 AM  
I wonder if the baby was a result of a rape.
1. She was in the army (which apparently has a lot of sexual assault)
2. Apparently her demeanor changed at some point and she got very depressed.
3. Her family is very supportive of her, even though she essentially killed a baby.

Most people don't have this much sympathy for a baby killer.
 
2014-03-04 10:49:54 AM  

dragonchild: Nightjars: There's tons of people ready and willing to adopt a newborn. Safe haven law or not, I can't imagine that it would be difficult to arrange that.

Then you know nothing about how adoption works in this country.

Two of my friends are trying to adopt in two completely different ways.  They are productive, well-adjusted people.  YEARS later, they're still trying.  Frankly, having witnessed their frustration and fear, pregnancy is a lot less of a PITA.


Well, I actually adopted a "Safe Haven" baby, so I *DO* know how it works in this country.

The reason your friends have spent *YEARS* trying is that there is a massive shortage of healthy newborns of any race to adopt.   My wife and I spent a couple years looking at adoption before we decided to become foster parents, because of fertility issues (very premature menopause).   We'd look at all the kids available for public adoption, and they all had developmental and/or severe emotional problems.  Many had FASD (Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorders).

Private adoptions and foreign adoptions were either too expensive for us to manage, or they had some restrictions that we just weren't comfortable with (open adoption?  What if birthmom is a self-destructive crack-whore?).

So we decided to do foster care with an eye towards adoption.  And two months after we were certified as foster parents, a young lady anonymously dropped a newborn off at the local hospital under my state's Safe Haven law.  We got to stay in the hospital with him, and take him home with us, and eventually, 18 months later, we got to adopt him and make it official.

He's now a very bright 10 year old, participating in Odyssey of the Mind, the STEM program at his school, and he's in the gifted program.  And he's a damn good shot with his recurve, better than me.

So, anyway, here is my spiel:

Ladies, if you are pregnant and scared and for whatever reason abortion is not for you, consider leaving your child anonymously at the local hospital or other designated place under your states "Safe Haven Law".  You won't be prosecuted, you will be saving the life of your child, and you may just make a childless couple the happiest people in the World.
 
2014-03-04 10:52:13 AM  

ReapTheChaos: "Ard had no idea a safe surrender law existed, her lawyer says."

Assuming this is true, I'm sure she's aware that there is such a thing as adoption, I'm sure had she made even a simple phone call she could have the baby taken off her hands in short order.


Every state has a Safe Haven law.  We should be advertising them.

Look for this sign:

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2014-03-04 11:43:28 AM  

dragonchild: Nightjars: There's tons of people ready and willing to adopt a newborn. Safe haven law or not, I can't imagine that it would be difficult to arrange that.

Then you know nothing about how adoption works in this country.

Two of my friends are trying to adopt in two completely different ways.  They are productive, well-adjusted people.  YEARS later, they're still trying.  Frankly, having witnessed their frustration and fear, pregnancy is a lot less of a PITA.


D1vwife and I were thinking about adopting a baby about 7 years ago.  Went and talked to an attourney and everything.  After getting the rundown on all of the flaming hoops to jump through, the expense, and recalling the teenage years of our 2 now-adults, we went and did 2 things.

1. Set up a recurring donation to the Covenant House. (a local assistance organization for at risk teens.)
2. Went to the shelter and adopted a dog.

Easier, and so far the dog hasn't wrecked my car.
 
2014-03-04 12:05:22 PM  
Makes sense, that is bear country after all.
 
2014-03-04 12:07:44 PM  

dittybopper: dragonchild: Nightjars: There's tons of people ready and willing to adopt a newborn. Safe haven law or not, I can't imagine that it would be difficult to arrange that.

Then you know nothing about how adoption works in this country.

Two of my friends are trying to adopt in two completely different ways.  They are productive, well-adjusted people.  YEARS later, they're still trying.  Frankly, having witnessed their frustration and fear, pregnancy is a lot less of a PITA.

Well, I actually adopted a "Safe Haven" baby, so I *DO* know how it works in this country.

The reason your friends have spent *YEARS* trying is that there is a massive shortage of healthy newborns of any race to adopt.   My wife and I spent a couple years looking at adoption before we decided to become foster parents, because of fertility issues (very premature menopause).   We'd look at all the kids available for public adoption, and they all had developmental and/or severe emotional problems.  Many had FASD (Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorders).

Private adoptions and foreign adoptions were either too expensive for us to manage, or they had some restrictions that we just weren't comfortable with (open adoption?  What if birthmom is a self-destructive crack-whore?).

So we decided to do foster care with an eye towards adoption.  And two months after we were certified as foster parents, a young lady anonymously dropped a newborn off at the local hospital under my state's Safe Haven law.  We got to stay in the hospital with him, and take him home with us, and eventually, 18 months later, we got to adopt him and make it official.

He's now a very bright 10 year old, participating in Odyssey of the Mind, the STEM program at his school, and he's in the gifted program.  And he's a damn good shot with his recurve, better than me.

So, anyway, here is my spiel:

Ladies, if you are pregnant and scared and for whatever reason abortion is not for you, consider leaving your child anonymously at the local hospit ...



A few friends of mine have done this same thing through fostering.  Beautiful children :)  Another couple we knew adopted two from Africa, and that cost an arm and a leg.  Same for China.
 
msP
2014-03-04 12:38:10 PM  
I love how they're trying to play this off like had she known about the Safe Haven law she wouldn't have left her baby to die. That doesn't even make any sense - in a world where the internet is so unbelievably accessible, a quick Google search could have given her half a dozen options on what to do with the baby she didn't want.

She had no problem letting that baby die and the fact that her family is supporting her and turning a blind eye to her baby-murdering ways disgusts me.
 
2014-03-04 12:51:50 PM  

msP: I love how they're trying to play this off like had she known about the Safe Haven law she wouldn't have left her baby to die. That doesn't even make any sense - in a world where the internet is so unbelievably accessible, a quick Google search could have given her half a dozen options on what to do with the baby she didn't want.

She had no problem letting that baby die and the fact that her family is supporting her and turning a blind eye to her baby-murdering ways disgusts me.


One thing a lot of people here are forgetting is that many women are effectively insane for a short while after child birth due to wild hormone fluctuations. If the Safe Haven laws were common knowledge she might have actually turned the kid in, but taking a step like doing internet research is beyond many people as it is (just read the politics tab), much less someone who is stressed and insane.
 
2014-03-04 12:58:54 PM  

MyRandomName: Prank Call of Cthulhu: "Why was I not told about this?"

Talk about Hillary Clinton... misogynist war on women. Talk about Palin... party of open minded debate.

 Yea, that sounds about right.
Would you like to open minded debate the merits of the two people?  Nope.
 
2014-03-04 02:06:22 PM  

Nightjars: Your comment deals with the receiving end of the adoption process. I have no clue in what way you're disagreeing with me since you do not mention anything regarding the source side of the adoption process.


Of course not.  I wasn't addressing the source side, because your comment deals with the receiving end of the adoption process:

Nightjars: There's tons of people ready and willing to adopt a newborn.  Safe haven law or not, I can't imagine that it would be difficult to arrange that.


. . . I'm guessing these people, the ones you're referring to in the text I bolded above, are not the "source side" pushing out babies.  What else would I refer to, then?

Now I get that the second half you're probably referring back to the source side, but this wasn't clear to me from the way you wrote it.  Either way, the receiving end really does matter, and depending on just how big the steaming shiat the state government dumps on social services, it's not all as smooth sailing as dittybopper's anecdote.  Some states are so politically blind to the fact that there's a period of time between birth and legal adulthood, the child social services are in such depressingly shoddy shape (and agencies eager to fill the void so psychotically greedy) that I'm honestly not convinced Safe Haven is inherently superior to infanticide.  I know that's a shocking thing to say but the situations can be that bad -- and in some cases the kid dies anyway -- only difference is years of hopelessness, suffering and abuse until the sweet release of death.  They aren't whisked from ER to some magical fairy land where they're raised in good health with ideal role models.

I know this ain't on you, but when people think Save Haven or "putting up a kid for adoption" solves all problems I get stabby.  I may be projecting here and if so I apologize, but the very people who eagerly suggest this are often the sort to whine about taxes when it comes to funding the social infrastructure for the state to raise children properly or get them adopted.  As a result the kid's fate is randomly decided by a smorgasbord of private agencies, charity-run shelters, foster parents and state-run orphanages depending on where the little grub was dropped off.  Everyone's convinced it's a magical solution because they forget the kid still exists when the kid's problems are just beginning.  Sometimes they luck into supportive parents, in which case yay, other times they wind up on the 11 o'clock news bludgeoned to death.
 
2014-03-04 02:36:35 PM  

dragonchild: Nightjars: There's tons of people ready and willing to adopt a newborn. Safe haven law or not, I can't imagine that it would be difficult to arrange that.

Then you know nothing about how adoption works in this country.

Two of my friends are trying to adopt in two completely different ways.  They are productive, well-adjusted people.  YEARS later, they're still trying.  Frankly, having witnessed their frustration and fear, pregnancy is a lot less of a PITA.


So how does that mean that there is not tons of people ready and willing to adopt?
 
2014-03-04 02:43:44 PM  

dragonchild: Either way, the receiving end really does matter, and depending on just how big the steaming shiat the state government dumps on social services, it's not all as smooth sailing as dittybopper's anecdote.


To be fair, I left out a whole lot.  Those 18 months prior to the adoption weren't completely uneventful.  Like the time a pharmacist accused the distaffbopper of attempting commit fraud because the prescription for antibiotics (ear infection) was written for "littlebopper" but the Medicaid card said "Boy Doe".  And the shenanigans we had to go through to get him a Social Security number once he was adopted, because the local SS office (heh) thought he might have been smuggled in from overseas or something without authorization.  We had to get a "foundling" birth certificate for him.

And that's skipping all the family court shenanigans.

Also, we were lottery-level lucky.
 
2014-03-04 02:47:26 PM  

trappedspirit: dragonchild: Nightjars: There's tons of people ready and willing to adopt a newborn. Safe haven law or not, I can't imagine that it would be difficult to arrange that.

Then you know nothing about how adoption works in this country.

Two of my friends are trying to adopt in two completely different ways.  They are productive, well-adjusted people.  YEARS later, they're still trying.  Frankly, having witnessed their frustration and fear, pregnancy is a lot less of a PITA.

So how does that mean that there is not tons of people ready and willing to adopt?


There are.

Healthy infants are what 99.9% of potential adoptive parents want, and there just aren't enough of them to go around.

There are tens of thousands of kids waiting to be adopted in the US, but as I pointed out earlier, they're waiting because they are (through no fault of their own) "damaged goods".
 
2014-03-04 03:31:16 PM  

trappedspirit: So how does that mean that there is not tons of people ready and willing to adopt?


It doesn't; it means the number is irrelevant.  There could be a hundred billion people ready and willing to adopt.  The way adoption is done in this country, it's structured to be corrupt, painful, inefficient, hideously expensive and anything but in the best interests of the child.
 
2014-03-05 12:46:45 AM  
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