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(Washington Post)   Republicans, one week ago: Obama's sweeping use of imperial power makes him a king, a God-king, a dictator ruling every facet of our lives. This week: OMG, why is Obama so feeble and weak?   (washingtonpost.com ) divider line
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vpb [TotalFark]
2014-03-04 10:38:53 AM  
4 votes:
Lucky LaRue:

It isn't necessary to have a solution to recognize the problem.

Not if you don't want to be taken seriously.
2014-03-04 10:25:08 AM  
4 votes:

Lucky LaRue: Lionel Mandrake: Obama could look real tough and decisive, and be nobody's biatch by saying "Get out of Ukraine within the week or we respond with force."

That would be tough as shiat.  And dumb as shiat.  The two often go together.

So I ask the "Obama is weak" crowd:  WHAT SHOULD HE SAY OR DO??

GOP: all talk, no actual useful suggestions

It isn't necessary to have a solution to recognize the problem.


The problem is " he looks like Putin's biatch??"

Be specific as to what he's doing wrong.  It's a good place to start when looking for the right response.

Or keep being a vague whiner.  Whatever.
2014-03-04 11:17:27 AM  
3 votes:
It's simple. When Obama decides to take unilateral action that the GOP doesn't like he's a tyrant. When he doesn't take unilateral action that the GOP wants, he's spineless.

Clearly Obama needs to anticipate exactly what the GOP wants him to do, when they want him to do it and just get on with it. It's what a true leader would do.
2014-03-04 11:01:30 AM  
3 votes:

Lucky LaRue: Lionel Mandrake: Obama could look real tough and decisive, and be nobody's biatch by saying "Get out of Ukraine within the week or we respond with force."

That would be tough as shiat.  And dumb as shiat.  The two often go together.

So I ask the "Obama is weak" crowd:  WHAT SHOULD HE SAY OR DO??

GOP: all talk, no actual useful suggestions

It isn't necessary to have a solution to recognize the problem.


Yes, it's called "whining."
2014-03-04 10:30:44 AM  
3 votes:

Lucky LaRue: Lionel Mandrake: Lucky LaRue: Lionel Mandrake: Lucky LaRue: I wouldn't call Obama weak, but he is making himself look like Putin's biatch every time he opens his mouth on the Ukraine topic.

What should he say or do?

Don't ask me; I'm no leader.  He might do well to take his cues from people who actually have a political presence that foreign leaders respect, though.

Of course...you know what he's doing is wrong, but don't know what's right.  As expected.

So, cues from what people specifically?  Or is that more ass-talk?

It's obvious he is showing weakness in this particular political situation, just like he showed weakness on the Syria question.  You would do better to face that problem rather than demand someone set up a strawman for you to knock over so that you feel better about your leader's questionable ability to command respect on the international stage.


Hey, all I'm hearing is that what he's doing is wrong.  Beyond saying he's playing marbles or not being decisive, is there anything more to be said?  I can't say he's being weak if nobody can say what strong would be.

You really have NO ideas?

Don't feel bad if you don't.  Not a single critic does.
2014-03-04 10:22:23 AM  
3 votes:

Lucky LaRue: Lionel Mandrake: Lucky LaRue: I wouldn't call Obama weak, but he is making himself look like Putin's biatch every time he opens his mouth on the Ukraine topic.

What should he say or do?

Don't ask me; I'm no leader.  He might do well to take his cues from people who actually have a political presence that foreign leaders respect, though.


Of course...you know what he's doing is wrong, but don't know what's right.  As expected.

So, cues from what people specifically?  Or is that more ass-talk?
2014-03-04 12:55:48 PM  
2 votes:

Lucky LaRue: I won't speak for anyone else, but from my own perspective, I regret that Obama has projected such a milquetoast image that Putin feels confident in thumbing his nose at the United States and its international interests. If we had a stronger leader that made more confident foreign policy decisions and wasn't seen as unwilling to back his own policy decisions (as Obama did with Syria), then perhaps Putin would have been more inclined to have taken US interests into account.


Your ability to contort reality to fit your preconceptions would be impressive to watch if you weren't so gleefully rooting for the decline of your own country.
2014-03-04 11:50:44 AM  
2 votes:
Lucky LaRue:
Every time the GOP puts out a talking point critical of Obama and his foreign policy debacles (whether real or construed), the liberal machine leaps into action with a vociferous defense of their party's leader.  My observation that this wouldn't be necessary if he was possessed of true leadership ability isn't just confined to how Farkers react, but to how the entire liberal machine reacts.

Can you actually make some sort of point?  You come one here kvetching that Obama isn't showing "leadership" and when asked simply to describe how Obama is being weak and what he should be doing differently you immediately retreated into "the liberal machine is defends Obama no matter what!"

Since you seem unable to actually articulate what the hell it is you think Obama is doing wrong you have pretty much given up your right to b pissy that people are defending him against your vague and hyperbolic accusations.
2014-03-04 11:01:15 AM  
2 votes:

LordJiro: Wooly Bully: "Just DO something, you empty suit weakling!" We'll keep hearing this over and over.

Right now the president's having a hard enough time getting the Europeans on board with just sanctions, for God's sake. So do try to think a bit before shooting your mouths off, right-wingers.

Well, yeah. Obama has to do something so Republicans can declare that it was wrong and he should have done the opposite.

If Obama had sent troops to Crimea, you can bet that they would have been biatching about 'risking World War 3 just to help some Muslims'.


Absolutely - the only constant in this stream of right-wing critics is "Obama bad". Well, that and the utter lack of anything constructive.
2014-03-04 10:57:09 AM  
2 votes:

Wooly Bully: "Just DO something, you empty suit weakling!" We'll keep hearing this over and over.

Right now the president's having a hard enough time getting the Europeans on board with just sanctions, for God's sake. So do try to think a bit before shooting your mouths off, right-wingers.


Well, yeah. Obama has to do something so Republicans can declare that it was wrong and he should have done the opposite.

If Obama had sent troops to Crimea, you can bet that they would have been biatching about 'risking World War 3 just to help some Muslims'.
2014-03-04 10:54:47 AM  
2 votes:
Lucky LaRue:
It's obvious he is showing weakness in this particular political situation, just like he showed weakness on the Syria question.  You would do better to face that problem rather than demand someone set up a strawman for you to knock over so that you feel better about your leader's questionable ability to command respect on the international stage.

The only strawman here is yours, if you can't clearly articulate how the President is being "weak" your whole argument makes no sense.  The US is far, far more respected now than it was during the Bush years.   http://www.pewglobal.org/topics/u-s-global-image-and-anti-americanism /

Stop parroting vague BS and start making a real argument.
2014-03-04 10:53:57 AM  
2 votes:

vpb: RexTalionis: What's also funny is that I'm starting to hear people praising Putin because they think Putin is making Obama look bad.

He is practically one of them.


Pat Buchanan - "Is Vladimir Putin a paleoconservative? In the culture war for mankind's future, is he one of us?"

World Net Daily - The climate under Obama has gotten so bad, in fact, that Russian leader Vladimir Putin feels emboldened to claim for Russia the mantle of world moral leader - a proud distinction hitherto held by the good ol' USA.

The Daily Mail reports that, in his state of the nation address, "Putin sought to cast Russia as the moral arbiter of the world on Thursday, as he hit out at America's 'non-traditional values' and its influence across the world."

Austin Ruse, Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute - "You admire some of the things they're doing in Russia against [homosexual] propaganda. On the other hand, you know it would be impossible to do that here."
2014-03-04 10:51:41 AM  
2 votes:

hubiestubert: Considering that Syria is essentially a Russian client and in their sphere of influence, that was sort of HIS mess to clean up in the first place.


which only serves to show how incredibly ignorant people are who claim that obama forcing russia to step in was a sign of weakness

it's like forcing your neighbor to clean his yard - takes a lot more political force than cleaning it for him
2014-03-04 10:50:39 AM  
2 votes:

RexTalionis: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Rep. Stewart (D)

Why did you list him as a Democrat when he's a Republican?


Fox News-like typing detected.

www.roughlydrafted.com
2014-03-04 10:44:38 AM  
2 votes:

RexTalionis: What's also funny is that I'm starting to hear people praising Putin because they think Putin is making Obama look bad.

For instance:

https://www.teaparty.org/giuliani-putin-leader-obama-read-latest-bre ak ing-news-newsmax-com-httpwww-newsmax-comnewsfrontrudolph-giuliani-vlad imir-putin-leader-ukraine20140303id555803ixzz2uwj1p3-36100/

http://www.teaparty.org/romney-putin-better-president-obama-33576/

https://www.teaparty.org/putin-humiliates-obama-u-s-media-ukraine-35 95 9/

http://www.teaparty.org/kristol-putin-acts-obama-affirms-35902/


It's sad yet hilarious to watch Giuliani puff out his chest and praise Putin like a proud father.  You want a Decider?  We had one of those.  Every decision he made was wrong, but by god, he was decisive.
2014-03-04 10:36:14 AM  
2 votes:
data3.whicdn.com
2014-03-04 10:35:58 AM  
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Rep. Stewart (D)


Why did you list him as a Democrat when he's a Republican?
2014-03-04 09:53:59 AM  
2 votes:
2014-03-04 09:49:19 AM  
2 votes:
Because Republicans are full of shiat.

And they have a hard-on for big strong, shirtless men on horses.

/Oh Myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
2014-03-04 06:41:17 PM  
1 vote:
imageshack.com
2014-03-04 04:06:04 PM  
1 vote:

Lionel Mandrake: Hey, all I'm hearing is that what he's doing is wrong. Beyond saying he's playing marbles or not being decisive, is there anything more to be said? I can't say he's being weak if nobody can say what strong would be


The important thing to remember is that Obama is doing the wrong thing.  What he's actually doing or not doing is beside the point.  It's just plain wrong.
2014-03-04 03:50:01 PM  
1 vote:

duffblue: Why did he feel the need to get involved in the first place?


We signed a treaty that Ukraine called on us to honor.
2014-03-04 03:48:27 PM  
1 vote:

Lucky LaRue: thamike: Lucky LaRue: In politics, if you aren't staying in the public conscious (whether its with GOP wishy-washy nothingness or Democrats promise of rainbows and unicorns), then you aren't even playing the game.

You were talking about people's reactions on Fark, which has f*ck-all to do with anything important.

Every time the GOP puts out a talking point critical of Obama and his foreign policy debacles (whether real or construed), the liberal machine leaps into action with a vociferous defense of their party's leader.  My observation that this wouldn't be necessary if he was possessed of true leadership ability isn't just confined to how Farkers react, but to how the entire liberal machine reacts.


Wow this guy kept coming back. I thought for sure he was a 1 and done threadshiatter.

It's weird isn't it, how baseless lies and hyperbole get shouted down, over and over again, by people willing to use facts and logic.

The only thing you should be worried about is why you're treating your political affiliation like a sports team, wearing your ignorance and gullability like a badge of honor instead of considering it shameful that you don't have the critical thinking skills to create your own arguments.

You've yet to use one factual basis in your method of argument in this thread. You have posted not a single valid or logical argument yet. And you don't even realize it. That, by definition, makes you stupid. Re-evaluate yourself.
2014-03-04 03:38:23 PM  
1 vote:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Lionel Mandrake: Don't feel bad if you don't. Not a single critic does.

I do.

And the President is basically doing what I would have done, just out of order. First and foremost you get the emergency meeting of NATO together. Confab and get a feel for what your partners are and are not willing to do. Then give a speech outlining what you you think is wrong and what you expect to have happen. Ideally you give it with them in the background nodding. That makes you look strong. Getting the people who can help in line to help. You don't look like you're isolated and you look like you have a little state craft working. If this was done early we may have been able to keep China out of it. I have a feeling Putin already had China shored up before the Olympics but maybe they would have gotten cold feet.

One move I would have done immediately would have been to take the "I have to protect my citizens" piece off the board. This could have been done by getting the UN to ship over Peace Keepers to monitor the situation. As I said before I don't think the UN can solve anything, but they can really gum up the works! Putin would be less like to start firing off rounds if blue helmets are in the way.


So it seem you are saying you would do everything the president is currently doing (including sending monitors, since that is one of the things the admin has been working towards), but you would have stayed completely silent, not even saying "there will be consequences" until you had some definite international agreement on what those consequences were.

Please try to answer honestly, what would your reaction have been if Obama just didn't comment at all on the situation as you are proposing?
2014-03-04 03:38:13 PM  
1 vote:

Lucky LaRue: It's obvious he is showing weakness in this particular political situation, just like he showed weakness on the Syria question.


Donnchadha: [data3.whicdn.com image 420x294]


Nothing more to be said. Vague platitudes that essential boil down to, 'Obama bad.'

Literally everything he does is wrong to these people, no matter what he chooses. The fact that they can't even recognize it with themselves is the most pathetic part. "yeah I can't say what he should have done that I would quantify as 'right,' but it was still wrong, whatever he did that I don't even know about"
2014-03-04 02:36:48 PM  
1 vote:

udhq: Lucky LaRue: I won't speak for anyone else, but from my own perspective, I regret that Obama has projected such a milquetoast image that Putin feels confident in thumbing his nose at the United States and its international interests. If we had a stronger leader that made more confident foreign policy decisions and wasn't seen as unwilling to back his own policy decisions (as Obama did with Syria), then perhaps Putin would have been more inclined to have taken US interests into account.

Your ability to contort reality to fit your preconceptions would be impressive to watch if you weren't so gleefully rooting for the decline of your own country.


I dunno, his brand of willful ignorance and absolute lack of self awareness are sort of cute. Like a kitten stalking a full grown goat...
2014-03-04 01:20:24 PM  
1 vote:
He is all things to all the wrong people.

Monday - He's a racist, spear-chucking, ni-bong monkey... a handin' out Food Stamps and rapin' our white women.
Tuesday - Dope smoking, abortionist who is forcing gay marriage down our throats and appointin' "activist judges".
Wednesday - Power-grabbing megalomaniac who refuses to compromise or work with House & Senate Republicans.
Thursday - Gun-grabbing, homo loving abortionist who should be impeached for destroying our Constitution.
Friday - Arugula-eating Poupon-slathering Harvard elitist with questionable college transcripts.
Saturday - Cowardly, weak-on-defense. drone shooting Commander-in-Cheat troops-hater that is destroying the military.
Sunday - Christian-bashing Kenyan Muslim usurper who worships Satan and Rev Jeremiah Wright with no presidential experience other than being a "Chicago politics" community organizer.

And the worst of ALL? HE'S BLACK!!!
2014-03-04 11:57:48 AM  
1 vote:

Lucky LaRue: T-Servo: Lucky LaRue: My observation that this wouldn't be necessary if he was possessed of true leadership ability isn't just confined to how Farkers react, but to how the entire liberal machine reacts.

There's a big distinction between defending Obama and being fed up with inconsistencies on the part of the GOP. Example: Lindsay Graham decrying Pentagon budget cuts, when he was central to the sequestration in the first place. I'm not in any way defending the White house budget, I'm saying Graham is a liar and a dumbass.

Thanks, that's a perfect example.  I am not motivated in any way to put up a vociferous defense on Lindsay Graham's behalf.  That is how you can tell that Graham is an effective leader - nobody needs to try to shout down the partisan chaff when it arises.


Okay

Okay

You got me.

I giggled at that one. I love your act, Lucky!
2014-03-04 11:55:51 AM  
1 vote:

Lucky LaRue: thamike: Lucky LaRue: In politics, if you aren't staying in the public conscious (whether its with GOP wishy-washy nothingness or Democrats promise of rainbows and unicorns), then you aren't even playing the game.

You were talking about people's reactions on Fark, which has f*ck-all to do with anything important.

Every time the GOP puts out a talking point critical of Obama and his foreign policy debacles (whether real or construed), the liberal machine leaps into action with a vociferous defense of their party's leader.  My observation that this wouldn't be necessary if he was possessed of true leadership ability isn't just confined to how Farkers react, but to how the entire liberal machine reacts.


Crazy-like typing detected.

Imaginary conspiracies always give you folks away.
2014-03-04 11:49:47 AM  
1 vote:

Lucky LaRue: thamike: Lucky LaRue: In politics, if you aren't staying in the public conscious (whether its with GOP wishy-washy nothingness or Democrats promise of rainbows and unicorns), then you aren't even playing the game.

You were talking about people's reactions on Fark, which has f*ck-all to do with anything important.

Every time the GOP puts out a talking point critical of Obama and his foreign policy debacles (whether real or construed), the liberal machine leaps into action with a vociferous defense of their party's leader.  My observation that this wouldn't be necessary if he was possessed of true leadership ability isn't just confined to how Farkers react, but to how the entire liberal machine reacts.


Really?

I live in a  liberal paradise (according to people who have no idea what the place is like), and many of the people around me are upset the President threatened Putin with "consequences"(nebulous as those may be), because they are tired of war, and tired of the President bombing people with drones, and generally mucking about as a hegemon.
2014-03-04 11:49:07 AM  
1 vote:

RexTalionis: What's also funny is that I'm starting to hear people praising Putin because they think Putin is making Obama look bad.

For instance:

https://www.teaparty.org/giuliani-putin-leader-obama-read-latest-bre ak ing-news-newsmax-com-httpwww-newsmax-comnewsfrontrudolph-giuliani-vlad imir-putin-leader-ukraine20140303id555803ixzz2uwj1p3-36100/

http://www.teaparty.org/romney-putin-better-president-obama-33576/

https://www.teaparty.org/putin-humiliates-obama-u-s-media-ukraine-35 95 9/

http://www.teaparty.org/kristol-putin-acts-obama-affirms-35902/


If Obama could act the same way Putin can in Russia, Fox News would now be owned by the US government, Roger Ailes would be  serving 20 years for tax evasion, 1500 right wing radio stations would be playing nothing but country music, and the teaparty.org people would all be mysteriously murdered.

/I'm not kidding.
//Putin is a stone cold ruthless dictator.
///When China and Russia agree it's ok and Europe is as weak as ever, there is no play for the US. Don't care who is President.
2014-03-04 11:48:46 AM  
1 vote:

Lucky LaRue: the entire liberal machine


What exactly is the liberal machine?
2014-03-04 11:42:40 AM  
1 vote:

Wooly Bully: hubiestubert: In fairness, a weakened Ukraine, even a Ukraine minus Crimea if they break off isn't exactly a bad outcome for the Europeans

True, the Europeans have their reasons for being reluctant to go along with sanctions, although they've, uh, made mistakes before.

But I was just saying the idea that Obama's weak for not taking unilateral action is ludicrous (as I'm sure you'd agree).


I was more looking to back up the point, that trying to get anything like a consensus for action in this case is MORE than just trying to herd cats. It's not just Russia that is looking at a shake up in Ukraine as an opportunity. Europe is more than willing to let Ukraine burn down a few buildings, and shoot some civilians, if it gets them a better deal on gas and goods, and while Europe is willing to let them shoot up their own populace for a while, Russia has assets that they really don't won't f*cked with, and are willing to prove that point by sending in troops to keep folks from the western portion of the country the heck out of their backyard. That Russia stepped in before folks started shooting one another IS decisive action, and in this case, it might actually work to get the factions to focus on something OTHER than each other and their mutual distrust and bad blood. The Crimea looking to leave, and with backing, might actually be the best thing for these folks, and lead to a lot less bloodshed.
2014-03-04 11:32:00 AM  
1 vote:

Lucky LaRue: threedingers: It's simple. When Obama decides to take unilateral action that the GOP doesn't like he's a tyrant. When he doesn't take unilateral action that the GOP wants, he's spineless.

Clearly Obama needs to anticipate exactly what the GOP wants him to do, when they want him to do it and just get on with it. It's what a true leader would do.

The fact that the GOPs talking points send you guys into such a tizzy every freaking time is evidence enough of his lack of leadership on foreign policy issues. If he was a "true leader" his followers wouldn't have to scramble to do damage control every time he speaks on international issues.


There is nothing that happens on Fark that is evidence of anything regarding any country's leadership.  Just because the wishy-washy nothingness that is the GOP stays in the social conscious because of the YouTube comment-level mentality of their inexplicably loyal followers doesn't mean everybody else does.
2014-03-04 11:28:41 AM  
1 vote:
Why do I have the feeling that as soon as Obama sends one troop into the Ukraine the Republicans will become the biggest pacifists on the face of the earth?
2014-03-04 11:27:45 AM  
1 vote:
Lucky LaRue:
The fact that the GOPs talking points send you guys into such a tizzy every freaking time is evidence enough of his lack of leadership on foreign policy issues. If he was a "true leader" his followers wouldn't have to scramble to do damage control every time he speaks on international issues.

Damage control for what?  Specifically what should he be doing that he is not already doing.    Vague "true leadership" BS is useless.
2014-03-04 11:26:32 AM  
1 vote:

threedingers: It's simple. When Obama decides to take unilateral action that the GOP doesn't like he's a tyrant. When he doesn't take unilateral action that the GOP wants, he's spineless.

Clearly Obama needs to anticipate exactly what the GOP wants him to do, when they want him to do it and just get on with it. It's what a true leader would do.


Well said.

but if he did what they wanted him to do, they would change what it is and then he would be wrong again. He will never be able to do anything right in the eyes of the Republicans.
2014-03-04 11:07:29 AM  
1 vote:
The Stealth Hippopotamus:

One move I would have done immediately would have been to take the "I have to protect my citizens" piece off the board. This could have been done by getting the UN to ship over Peace Keepers to monitor the situation. As I said before I don't think the UN can solve anything, but they can really gum up the works! Putin would be less like to start firing off rounds if blue helmets are in the way.

Someone doesn't understand how the UN works, lol.  For the UN to ship over peacekeepers you would need approval by the UN security council.  Guess who is a permanent member of the council with veto power?  Go on, guess.
2014-03-04 10:59:45 AM  
1 vote:

duffblue: Why did he feel the need to get involved in the first place?


because buzzwords
2014-03-04 10:56:30 AM  
1 vote:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Yes because there is no difference between foreign and domestic.


In other words, Obama should use his imperial powers in situations we barely understand and on people we rarely think about unless something goes wrong, instead of trying to address our own problems or govern our own society.
2014-03-04 10:55:36 AM  
1 vote:

Lucky LaRue: Lionel Mandrake: Obama could look real tough and decisive, and be nobody's biatch by saying "Get out of Ukraine within the week or we respond with force."

That would be tough as shiat.  And dumb as shiat.  The two often go together.

So I ask the "Obama is weak" crowd:  WHAT SHOULD HE SAY OR DO??

GOP: all talk, no actual useful suggestions

It isn't necessary to have a solution to recognize the problem.


Party of No indeed!
2014-03-04 10:51:52 AM  
1 vote:

Mentat: It's sad yet hilarious to watch Giuliani puff out his chest and praise Putin like a proud father.  You want a Decider?  We had one of those.  Every decision he made was wrong, but by god, he was decisive.


I think Maddow said something last night that when you go back to 2008, we had a "strong and decisive leader" and Putin still decided to mess with Georgia.  This is more about Putin than it is the US.
2014-03-04 10:47:40 AM  
1 vote:
I can almost see the Republicans' pants bulging for Putin.

"Putin is so strong!" "Obama is so weak!"

they swoon and bat their eyes and twirl their hair.

Republicans will side with Putin over Obama any day.
2014-03-04 10:47:12 AM  
1 vote:

RexTalionis: What's also funny is that I'm starting to hear people praising Putin because they think Putin is making Obama look bad.

For instance:

https://www.teaparty.org/giuliani-putin-leader-obama-read-latest-bre ak ing-news-newsmax-com-httpwww-newsmax-comnewsfrontrudolph-giuliani-vlad imir-putin-leader-ukraine20140303id555803ixzz2uwj1p3-36100/

http://www.teaparty.org/romney-putin-better-president-obama-33576/

https://www.teaparty.org/putin-humiliates-obama-u-s-media-ukraine-35 95 9/

http://www.teaparty.org/kristol-putin-acts-obama-affirms-35902/


Putin is everything right-wingers with daddy issues are looking for in a leader.
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-03-04 10:39:30 AM  
1 vote:

RexTalionis: What's also funny is that I'm starting to hear people praising Putin because they think Putin is making Obama look bad.


He is practically one of them.
2014-03-04 10:38:04 AM  
1 vote:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Nadie_AZ: I read or listened to a story a few years back ... it was talking about Bush ... or Obama... I'm sorry, I don't remember. It spoke of the office of the President and the stark contrast between being the most powerful person on the international stage while also being fairly weak on the domestic stage. It was interesting and made sense.

Well, you don't want a weak executive branch. The whole checks and balances thing, you know. And I think Rep Stewart put forth a clear case about how the current administration is violating the system of checks and balances

Rep. Stewart (D)

Now the power of the President over seas is only as good as his bluff. People have to believe that the Administration will back up words with actions. Right now it's been a mixed bag. The action in Libya went well, but that had the backing necessary to call it a NATO mission not just a US mission. Then on the other hand the all talk no action on Syria didn't help. And Putin was the one that pulled us out of that one.


Considering that Syria is essentially a Russian client and in their sphere of influence, that was sort of HIS mess to clean up in the first place. Ukraine, is pretty much on the Russian side of things as well. Same as Georgians rolling tanks out against civilians in Ossetia. The entire world isn't the US backyard. There are places we have no real influence over. Likewise, coalitions are sort of important in international action.

I know that it's hard to believe, when you have a rage boner to do SOMETHING, but occasionally, it helps to think about things in more than just terms of the US. The sad thing? The US has been so active in meddling, and kicking over anthills, that the UN has sort of been lax about things, because the perception is, "If we just wait long enough, the US will take care of that, and then we can get about to making a profit on it."
2014-03-04 10:27:55 AM  
1 vote:

Lionel Mandrake: Lucky LaRue: Lionel Mandrake: Lucky LaRue: I wouldn't call Obama weak, but he is making himself look like Putin's biatch every time he opens his mouth on the Ukraine topic.

What should he say or do?

Don't ask me; I'm no leader.  He might do well to take his cues from people who actually have a political presence that foreign leaders respect, though.

Of course...you know what he's doing is wrong, but don't know what's right.  As expected.

So, cues from what people specifically?  Or is that more ass-talk?


It's obvious he is showing weakness in this particular political situation, just like he showed weakness on the Syria question.  You would do better to face that problem rather than demand someone set up a strawman for you to knock over so that you feel better about your leader's questionable ability to command respect on the international stage.
2014-03-04 10:18:25 AM  
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Obama could look real tough and decisive, and be nobody's biatch by saying "Get out of Ukraine within the week or we respond with force."

That would be tough as shiat.  And dumb as shiat.  The two often go together.

So I ask the "Obama is weak" crowd:  WHAT SHOULD HE SAY OR DO??

GOP: all talk, no actual useful suggestions
2014-03-04 10:10:54 AM  
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2014-03-04 09:56:07 AM  
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I wouldn't call Obama weak, but he is making himself look like Putin's biatch every time he opens his mouth on the Ukraine topic.
 
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