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(Washington Post)   Republicans, one week ago: Obama's sweeping use of imperial power makes him a king, a God-king, a dictator ruling every facet of our lives. This week: OMG, why is Obama so feeble and weak?   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 163
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2014-03-04 03:38:23 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Lionel Mandrake: Don't feel bad if you don't. Not a single critic does.

I do.

And the President is basically doing what I would have done, just out of order. First and foremost you get the emergency meeting of NATO together. Confab and get a feel for what your partners are and are not willing to do. Then give a speech outlining what you you think is wrong and what you expect to have happen. Ideally you give it with them in the background nodding. That makes you look strong. Getting the people who can help in line to help. You don't look like you're isolated and you look like you have a little state craft working. If this was done early we may have been able to keep China out of it. I have a feeling Putin already had China shored up before the Olympics but maybe they would have gotten cold feet.

One move I would have done immediately would have been to take the "I have to protect my citizens" piece off the board. This could have been done by getting the UN to ship over Peace Keepers to monitor the situation. As I said before I don't think the UN can solve anything, but they can really gum up the works! Putin would be less like to start firing off rounds if blue helmets are in the way.


So it seem you are saying you would do everything the president is currently doing (including sending monitors, since that is one of the things the admin has been working towards), but you would have stayed completely silent, not even saying "there will be consequences" until you had some definite international agreement on what those consequences were.

Please try to answer honestly, what would your reaction have been if Obama just didn't comment at all on the situation as you are proposing?
 
2014-03-04 03:44:33 PM

Lucky LaRue: threedingers: It's simple. When Obama decides to take unilateral action that the GOP doesn't like he's a tyrant. When he doesn't take unilateral action that the GOP wants, he's spineless.

Clearly Obama needs to anticipate exactly what the GOP wants him to do, when they want him to do it and just get on with it. It's what a true leader would do.

The fact that the GOPs talking points send you guys into such a tizzy every freaking time is evidence enough of his lack of leadership on foreign policy issues. If he was a "true leader" his followers wouldn't have to scramble to do damage control every time he speaks on international issues.


Wow, it took you a long time to get that talking point ready. Are you just a troll, or do you get paid by the post?
 
2014-03-04 03:48:27 PM

Lucky LaRue: thamike: Lucky LaRue: In politics, if you aren't staying in the public conscious (whether its with GOP wishy-washy nothingness or Democrats promise of rainbows and unicorns), then you aren't even playing the game.

You were talking about people's reactions on Fark, which has f*ck-all to do with anything important.

Every time the GOP puts out a talking point critical of Obama and his foreign policy debacles (whether real or construed), the liberal machine leaps into action with a vociferous defense of their party's leader.  My observation that this wouldn't be necessary if he was possessed of true leadership ability isn't just confined to how Farkers react, but to how the entire liberal machine reacts.


Wow this guy kept coming back. I thought for sure he was a 1 and done threadshiatter.

It's weird isn't it, how baseless lies and hyperbole get shouted down, over and over again, by people willing to use facts and logic.

The only thing you should be worried about is why you're treating your political affiliation like a sports team, wearing your ignorance and gullability like a badge of honor instead of considering it shameful that you don't have the critical thinking skills to create your own arguments.

You've yet to use one factual basis in your method of argument in this thread. You have posted not a single valid or logical argument yet. And you don't even realize it. That, by definition, makes you stupid. Re-evaluate yourself.
 
2014-03-04 03:50:01 PM

duffblue: Why did he feel the need to get involved in the first place?


We signed a treaty that Ukraine called on us to honor.
 
2014-03-04 03:53:29 PM

Lucky LaRue: Thanks, that's a perfect example. I am not motivated in any way to put up a vociferous defense on Lindsay Graham's behalf. That is how you can tell that Graham is an effective leader - nobody needs to try to shout down the partisan chaff when it arises.


Damn, he baited me. He had me going until this. Now I just add another pathetic internet kid to the ever growing ignore list of people who think it's cool to troll.
 
2014-03-04 03:57:32 PM

PsiChick: duffblue: Why did he feel the need to get involved in the first place?

We signed a treaty that Ukraine called on us to honor.


Actually not true, it was a memo (not ratified by the senate) and all it did was require us to take threats to their territorial integrity to the security council.
 
2014-03-04 04:06:04 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Hey, all I'm hearing is that what he's doing is wrong. Beyond saying he's playing marbles or not being decisive, is there anything more to be said? I can't say he's being weak if nobody can say what strong would be


The important thing to remember is that Obama is doing the wrong thing.  What he's actually doing or not doing is beside the point.  It's just plain wrong.
 
2014-03-04 04:46:49 PM

CanisNoir: He showed weakness on Syria but you're mistaken if you think he's showing it in this situation. I am no Obama fan, but I have to say, I think so far, he's been doing the best he can with the cards he's been dealt.


How did this delicious morsel slip by without comment?
 
2014-03-04 05:37:42 PM

RexTalionis: What's also funny is that I'm starting to hear people praising Putin because they think Putin is making Obama look bad.

For instance:

https://www.teaparty.org/giuliani-putin-leader-obama-read-latest-bre ak ing-news-newsmax-com-httpwww-newsmax-comnewsfrontrudolph-giuliani-vlad imir-putin-leader-ukraine20140303id555803ixzz2uwj1p3-36100/

http://www.teaparty.org/romney-putin-better-president-obama-33576/

https://www.teaparty.org/putin-humiliates-obama-u-s-media-ukraine-35 95 9/

http://www.teaparty.org/kristol-putin-acts-obama-affirms-35902/


Sounds like a significant portion of the U.S. longs for an authoritarian dictator. I guess that's not surprising from a group of people who have so consistently voted against their own interests.
/jmho
 
2014-03-04 05:58:15 PM
Man, how much cognitive dissonance do you choke down when you praise a corrupt, democracy-crushing, dictatorial, former KGB officer and openly declare he's better than the sitting U.S. president? Didn't a a lot of these same people hate communism with a passion back in the Cold War days? Now they're drooling after a Russian tyrant? Geez. What is wrong with human mental processes.
 
2014-03-04 06:41:17 PM
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2014-03-04 09:18:46 PM

amiable: Lucky LaRue:
Every time the GOP puts out a talking point critical of Obama and his foreign policy debacles (whether real or construed), the liberal machine leaps into action with a vociferous defense of their party's leader.  My observation that this wouldn't be necessary if he was possessed of true leadership ability isn't just confined to how Farkers react, but to how the entire liberal machine reacts.

Can you actually make some sort of point?  You come one here kvetching that Obama isn't showing "leadership" and when asked simply to describe how Obama is being weak and what he should be doing differently you immediately retreated into "the liberal machine is defends Obama no matter what!"

Since you seem unable to actually articulate what the hell it is you think Obama is doing wrong you have pretty much given up your right to b pissy that people are defending him against your vague and hyperbolic accusations.


So much this.
 
2014-03-05 02:31:18 AM
Why are these people in MY party rooting for the Russian leader!!?
Do I hear a goddamn rooster crowing thrice here?


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