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(Washington Post)   Putin clarifies his position on Crimea: "I'm not using force, but I could if I wanted to, and it would be legal, so nyah"   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 158
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2014-03-04 04:02:04 PM

vygramul: sid244: We aren't Team America: World Police.  When are we going to sit one out?

April 7 - July 15, 1994.

Unless you mean the Ukraine, in which case, we sat it out in '32-'33, too.


Ok, you got me the Genocide in Rwanda.  Good call.  It would be nice though, if we could just get out of the Eastern Hemisphere for about 2 years and let the chips fall where they may.  But that won't happen.

/'Merica!!!
 
2014-03-04 04:22:17 PM

vygramul: relcec: the russians have already moved in their s-400 air defense into the theater (and god knows how many of the s-300s), the single most formidable ground mobile air defense system in the history of the world

My money's on Patriot Block-3 as having that title. It's certainly proven. It has an excellent record when firing on American and British high-performance aircraft.


isn't block 3 the short range ABM missile? I get confused with the patriot nomenclature.
 
2014-03-04 04:38:24 PM

jaytkay: Republicans were hysterical when they imagined Obama was sending troops into Libya.
Now they're masturbating to Red Dawn fantasies about going toe-to-toe with the Russkies.
Conservatives are weirdos.


Maybe we know that there is more value in a promise kept, than in being too big to fail.

/in fact, internationally, Obama has been very consistent in doing the exact opposite of what the US has promised
//even as he's kept all the domestic promises he made on the campaign trail
///specifically, the ones to put an end to American exceptionalism, and bring "respectful liberty" and "social justice" to all
 
2014-03-04 05:07:36 PM

relcec: vygramul: relcec: the russians have already moved in their s-400 air defense into the theater (and god knows how many of the s-300s), the single most formidable ground mobile air defense system in the history of the world

My money's on Patriot Block-3 as having that title. It's certainly proven. It has an excellent record when firing on American and British high-performance aircraft.

isn't block 3 the short range ABM missile? I get confused with the patriot nomenclature.


It's CAPABLE against ABM. But it's anti-air, too, and better at it.
 
2014-03-04 06:49:03 PM
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2014-03-04 10:05:27 PM

youmightberight: Rhino_man: youmightberight: Rhino_man: Diet_evil: Rhino_man: SlothB77: So what does happens after Russia invades the Ukraine?  What happens after we let Russia get away with this?

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I would hardly call "destroying their farking economy and forcing them to pull back without ever endangering a single American servicemember's life" letting them get away with it.

And make no mistake, that's exactly what we're going to do.  The Ruble is already in freefall just on the thought that our economic sanctions will come soon.  When they do, you're going to see Russia's economy looking just as shiatty as it did in 1992.

"I'd like to report an intruder in my home, he's kicked me out and is using my stuff and eating my food."
"Don't worry sir, we shut off his bank account and arn't letting him get any more food, he should be gone in a few weeks."
"Oh thank goodness I'll just chill on the street."

I'm not saying the US needs to go in if Russia decides they can haz parts of Ukraine, but some one should. Because hoping they "tucker out" while raping their neighbors is kinda farked up.

The whole situation is farked up, thanks to Putin... so now we have to find the least farked up way out of this situation.  Now, I dunno about you, but I'd say that getting them out with the fewest shots fired is the least farked up way to do it, because shooting at the Russians is likely to start World War Three.

Why?

I'm serious here - Putin doesn't want to rule cinders and ghosts. He wants to be a tsar not a god.

So if we fight him with conventional forces in Ukraine and only fight to push his forces back to Russia it will not go nuclear - the other option is to sit back close our eyes and pretend Ukraine really likes it.

I, for one, am not eager to see all the Marines that I mentored when they were freshly out of boot camp (and I was a salty-ass Corporal, eager to get out) thrown into a massive wall of incoming 5.45mm rounds.  Especially not when the same exact g ...


Except that Chamberlain literally just said "Sure, you can have the Sudetenland.  It's not ours to give, but we're giving it to you anyway."  He didn't impose any economic sanctions.  He didn't try to fark Germany in any way over the Sudetenland

We're not doing that..
 
2014-03-04 11:26:28 PM
We're just talking about sanctions - we've yet to implement them. And we're all ready talking about how Russia should have it anyway.

So tell me again how we're not pulling a chamberlain? Oh that's right we're saying we might impose sanctions.
 
2014-03-05 06:08:05 AM

youmightberight: We're just talking about sanctions - we've yet to implement them. And we're all ready talking about how Russia should have it anyway.

So tell me again how we're not pulling a chamberlain? Oh that's right we're saying we might impose sanctions.


Stay tuned, jackass - this is all still going on, way over your head.

Be a good citizen, and your ass might not be one of the ones that gets caught in this.

/goodnight america
//god bless
 
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