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(Washington Post)   Putin clarifies his position on Crimea: "I'm not using force, but I could if I wanted to, and it would be legal, so nyah"   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 158
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2014-03-04 09:33:26 AM

No Such Agency: Debeo Summa Credo: /obscure?

Side note, I watched that with my wife and she pointed put there are only three women characters in the whole film, only one of whom has both a speaking part and a name. The rest of the film takes place in Clancy's fantasy boys-only treehouse.


porn is the only genre of film where more women characters = better.

For non pornographic films, one could probably run a regression of quality of movie and male:female character ratio and get a good fit.

Shawshank redemption had no female characters, jaws like 4 ancillary that I can think of, die hard one unless you could the spanish housekeeper, godfather only 2 significant characters, etc etc.

/yes I'm exaggerating but it would be an interesting analysis nonetheless
 
2014-03-04 09:33:36 AM

jaytkay: SlothB77: What happens after we let Russia get away with this?

What should the US government do?


Be less blah. That's all he's asking. It's not that hard.
 
2014-03-04 09:33:46 AM

smoky2010: I thought Kerry was going to release a statement, stating that he MAY release a strongly worded letter to the UN, who should then send in Rip Torn with a bucket of strongly worded confetti for Putin to enjoy.


You're thinking of Rip Taylor.

Rip Torn would get drunk and throw a wrench at him.
 
2014-03-04 09:34:32 AM

SlothB77: provide military support to the Ukraine. Any use of force by Russia in the Ukraine will be met with the use of military force by the United States in support of the Ukraine.


lol
 
2014-03-04 09:34:37 AM

Epic Fap Session: FTA: "Putin blamed much of the disorder he described on the West, particularly the United States."

Wha?


I have no clue if it's disinformation or if they are really so paranoid as to believe it, but Russia has implied the reason that Yanukovych was driven out of Kiev was the CIA was displeased with him being so pro-Russian and fomented the rebellion against him. Again: could just be playing on the standard "American imperial interests are to blame for anything that opposes us" line that plays well to the base, or they legitimately think everything that goes wrong in their little plan to bring Eastern Europe under their purview is obviously a Western plot.

Russia is outraged it lost a vassal state and is lashing out over it. The fact that most people seem to interpret this as showing how powerful Russia is depresses me.
 
2014-03-04 09:35:12 AM

SlothB77: jaytkay: SlothB77: What happens after we let Russia get away with this?

What should the US government do?

provide military support to the Ukraine.  Any use of force by Russia in the Ukraine will be met with the use of military force by the United States in support of the Ukraine.

The Ukraine government that was ousted had outlawed peaceful protest after enduring continued peaceful protest for their unpopular policies.  The Ukrainian government-turned-dictatorship sanctioned the violent crackdown of peaceful protesters, which led to violent protest and its eventual ouster.  Russia entering the fray is as an imperial force supporting an ousted dictatorship.  It can only do this via military force against the will of the Ukrainian people.  It must be stopped at all costs.


Once again:
I would hardly call "destroying their farking economy and forcing them to pull back without ever endangering a single American servicemember's life" letting them get away with it.

And make no mistake, that's exactly what we're going to do.  The Ruble is already in freefall just on the thought that our economic sanctions will come soon.  When they do, you're going to see Russia's economy looking just as shiatty as it did in 1992.

/but you're right, starting WWIII is totes cooler
 
2014-03-04 09:36:00 AM

emarche: jaytkay: smoky2010: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Send in John Kerry and his strongly worded letter stating how upset we are.

I thought Kerry was going to release a statement, stating that he MAY release a strongly worded letter to the UN, who should then send in Rip Torn with a bucket of strongly worded confetti for Putin to enjoy.

So what is the proper US response?

The proper US response is to release several hundred thousand barrels of our reserve oil daily and effectively hit the Russkies right in their dick. Remember: their economy is highly dependent upon oil, so if we're able to flood the market and drop prices...boom: their already weak economy gets hit hard. Of course there are a couple of obvious holes in this plan:

1. Our wonderful Saudi "friends" will probably not go for this.
2. An injured Russia is a very dangerous Russia.

Still, hitting them right in the dick. That's fun, right?


It's too bad that Venezuela is also having unrest, as they would be a great partner to get a flood of cheap oil into the system. I do agree that hitting Putin in the wallet is great, but if you do that they could be another country that the US supports financially and that hates us (like Egypt) if it is not done properly.
 
2014-03-04 09:36:31 AM

danzak: Bomb Head Mohammed: spiral_fishcake: The headline reads "Putin says he will protect Russians in Ukraine", but will he protect Ukrainians in Ukraine?

putin's definition of "Russians" includes basically anybody who speaks Russian. This is like the English suddenly deciding to protect (US state name here) on similar pretenses.   It's all part of the general russia propaganda schtick where they count on people on the west not being able to differentiate between also-russian-speaking-ukrainian,  primarily-russian-speaking russian ukrainian, russian-ethnicity-ukrainian citize, russian-speaking russian citizen living in ukraine, "russian", "generally not for the EU", "likes Putin", "wants to join Russia."

the latter category in particular there are VERY few in ukraine, which is why russia had to bus them in over the last few days. The guy who planted the russian flag on the administration building in kharkiv?  a russian citizen from a russian ultranationalist group living in russia who came to ukraine a few days earlier on a tourist visa.  we even know his facebook page (where, bizarrely, he has pictures of himself in nazi regalia).

my company has offices in both eastern and western ukraine.   i have ethnic russians, ukrainians, and people who consider themselves ethnically jewish working for me.   half of them speak no or not much ukrainian.  and all, to a person, hate putin with a passion.   of course, these are self-selected young people who work for a western company, but it is telling.

This!  well said.

evidence of protester "tourists".  Same people, different cities.  Putin is bussing them in.


Reminds me of this
wellaware1.com
 
2014-03-04 09:36:33 AM

SlothB77: Tigger: The one thing that we can all be sure of is that, whatever happens, you will be completely wrong about it.

Just like Sarah Palin was.  Oh, wait...


BWAAAHAHAHAHAH.

You're going to be using the 'Palin on Ukraine' thing for years to try and demonstrate that you're not a complete moron aren't you?

Brilliant.
 
2014-03-04 09:37:22 AM

emarche: The proper US response is to release several hundred thousand barrels of our reserve oil daily and effectively hit the Russkies right in their dick.


How much is several hundred thousand barrels compared to daily world production?

How much is several hundred thousand barrels compared to daily Russian exports?
 
2014-03-04 09:37:44 AM
FTA:   Putin accused the United States of engineering the country's troubles, suggesting it was using Ukrainians as guinea pigs in some kind of misguided experiment.
"They sit there across the pond as if in a lab running all kinds of experiments on the rats," Putin said. "Why would they do it? No one can explain it."


Did...  did Putin really drop a "you can't explain that" into the public record here?
 
2014-03-04 09:38:41 AM

Rhino_man: Debeo Summa Credo: [jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com image 436x226]
/obscure?

Now I know you're trolling.  That's the single most overused image on fark, and you're asking if it's obscure?

Get the fark outta here.


Oh come on...
i290.photobucket.com

I mean, really??

memedepot.com
 
2014-03-04 09:40:23 AM

MithrandirBooga: No Such Agency: Debeo Summa Credo: /obscure?

Side note, I watched that with my wife and she pointed put there are only three women characters in the whole film, only one of whom has both a speaking part and a name. The rest of the film takes place in Clancy's fantasy boys-only treehouse.

[static.planetminecraft.com image 300x268]

There's actually a test you can apply to a film to measure this effect:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bechdel_test

"The Bechdel test asks whether a work of fiction features at least two women who talk to each other about something other than a man. A popular addendum is that the two women must be named. Many contemporary works fail this test of gender bias."

A surprising number of films fail this test (http://bechdeltest.com/ ). Amusingly, the latest Jack Ryan is on the list.


The "test" is the bare minimum, and most films still fail it.

The last movie I saw that passed the Bechdel Test by more than a hair was, believe it or not, The Wolverine. Two female leads with a complex relationship that has nothing to do with the hero, and who talk to each other extensively about all sorts of things. Go figure.
 
2014-03-04 09:42:15 AM

steveGswine: FTA:   Putin accused the United States of engineering the country's troubles, suggesting it was using Ukrainians as guinea pigs in some kind of misguided experiment.
"They sit there across the pond as if in a lab running all kinds of experiments on the rats," Putin said. "Why would they do it? No one can explain it."

Did...  did Putin really drop a "you can't explain that" into the public record here?


img.fark.net
 
2014-03-04 09:42:51 AM
Ukraine thread checklist

1.) Crimea River - Check
2.) Charge of the light brigade - Check
3.) This will get out of control.jpg - Check
4.) You not say Ukraine weak! - Ctrl+f = 0 results

Woohoo!

*Ahem*

You not say Ukraine weak!

Resume arguments.
 
2014-03-04 09:45:44 AM

No Such Agency: The last movie I saw that passed the Bechdel Test by more than a hair was, believe it or not, The Wolverine. Two female leads with a complex relationship that has nothing to do with the hero, and who talk to each other extensively about all sorts of things. Go figure.


I always figured Tommy Wiseau threw in that infamous exchange in The Room just so it would pass the Bechdel Test:

Claudette: Everything goes wrong all at once. Nobody wants to help me. And I'm dying.
Lisa: You're not dying, mom.
Claudette: I got the results of the test back - I definitely have breast cancer.
 
2014-03-04 09:47:26 AM

Mulchpuppy: smoky2010: I thought Kerry was going to release a statement, stating that he MAY release a strongly worded letter to the UN, who should then send in Rip Torn with a bucket of strongly worded confetti for Putin to enjoy.

You're thinking of Rip Taylor.

Rip Torn would get drunk and throw a wrench at him.


You're right. Thank you.
 
2014-03-04 09:47:31 AM

jaytkay: emarche: The proper US response is to release several hundred thousand barrels of our reserve oil daily and effectively hit the Russkies right in their dick.

How much is several hundred thousand barrels compared to daily world production?

How much is several hundred thousand barrels compared to daily Russian exports?


Reserves right now are at...700million? Release 500k/day and it will impact in a short period of time, believe it or not.
 
2014-03-04 09:47:52 AM

Slaxl: Ukraine thread checklist

1.) Crimea River - Check
2.) Charge of the light brigade - Check
3.) This will get out of control.jpg - Check
4.) You not say Ukraine weak! - Ctrl+f = 0 results

Woohoo!

*Ahem*

You not say Ukraine weak!

Resume arguments.


I hadn't heard that one.  Ended up watching the "UKRAINE IS GAME TO YOU?" clip on YouTube.  'Twas a good laugh.  Thanks.
 
2014-03-04 09:47:59 AM
Putin is correct.  Kerry is a douche.  Got flamed on yesterday by ignorant basement dwellers.  Facts still the same.
 
2014-03-04 09:50:39 AM

emarche: jaytkay: emarche: The proper US response is to release several hundred thousand barrels of our reserve oil daily and effectively hit the Russkies right in their dick.

How much is several hundred thousand barrels compared to daily world production?

How much is several hundred thousand barrels compared to daily Russian exports?

Reserves right now are at...700million? Release 500k/day and it will impact in a short period of time, believe it or not.


Ummm, OK.

How much is several hundred thousand barrels compared to daily world production?

How much is several hundred thousand barrels compared to daily Russian exports?
 
2014-03-04 09:51:04 AM

jaytkay: SlothB77: What happens after we let Russia get away with this?

What should the US government do?


Relax holmes.... you ain't got to do nothing.
 It's not like you are the official US Gov't spokesman or something.

 Just chill out and order some lunch and check the new line up for Dancin' with the stars.

 (Just because you see something going on in your neighborhood that doesn't look right... doesn't mean you have to do anything.    You just shove your hands a little deeper in your pockets and just keep walkin.    Don't mean nothing.     It ain't your problem)
 
2014-03-04 09:51:22 AM

MithrandirBooga: jaytkay: SlothB77: What happens after we let Russia get away with this?

What should the US government do?

Be less blah. That's all he's asking. It's not that hard.


It Bush or Reagan were president, Russia would not have gone into the Ukraine in the first place.  Putin would have feared them.  Putin knew there would have been consequences.  What should have happened is that the USA should have made Vladimir Putin too afraid to go into the Ukraine in the first place.  Pre-emption via strong decisive leadership.  Instead, we have disappearing red lines, concessions to the Iranians and international consensus.  Putin does not fear reprisals and is acting as such.

A different reaction to Syria from the USA would have led to a different Russian response to the Ukraine.  As bad as Obama has been with domestic policy, his miscalculations on foreign policy will be even more damaging to this country.
 
2014-03-04 09:51:27 AM

brandent: Putin is correct.  Kerry is a douche.  Got flamed on yesterday by ignorant basement dwellers.  Facts still the same.


This is a pretty intelligent, nuanced post, bro. I think you've really captured the essence of the issue. Nice job. You win, thread over.
 
2014-03-04 09:53:28 AM

SlothB77: MithrandirBooga: jaytkay: SlothB77: What happens after we let Russia get away with this?

What should the US government do?

Be less blah. That's all he's asking. It's not that hard.

It Bush or Reagan were president, Russia would not have gone into the Ukraine in the first place.  Putin would have feared them.  Putin knew there would have been consequences.  What should have happened is that the USA should have made Vladimir Putin too afraid to go into the Ukraine in the first place.  Pre-emption via strong decisive leadership.  Instead, we have disappearing red lines, concessions to the Iranians and international consensus.  Putin does not fear reprisals and is acting as such.

A different reaction to Syria from the USA would have led to a different Russian response to the Ukraine.  As bad as Obama has been with domestic policy, his miscalculations on foreign policy will be even more damaging to this country.


Wow I admire your perseverance to hate everything President Obama does no matter what.
 
2014-03-04 09:54:45 AM

brandent: Putin is correct.  Kerry is a douche.  Got flamed on yesterday by ignorant basement dwellers.  Facts still the same.


i missed yesterday's thread.  why is putin correct and kerry a douche?
 
2014-03-04 09:55:30 AM

Rhino_man: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Send in John Kerry and his strongly worded letter stating how upset we are.

... and economic sanctions which are sure to cripple the Russian economy.  So sure, in fact, that the economy is already tanking on the thought that those sanctions will be coming.

But, you know, you can keep believing that the US is feckless if we don't start WWIII all you want.


Yep, the Ruble lost more then 10% yesterday, and the MICEX index lost 11%.
If actual sanctions go into effect, it's really going to hurt.

The Czech Republic is already cancelling a contract for a Russian company to build two nuclear reactors.

/The most curious thing I've read this morning is Sweeden has sent fighter jets to Gotland to enhance military preparedness.  It's not like the Ruskies are going to attack from Kalingrad.
 
2014-03-04 09:56:31 AM

Rhino_man: SlothB77: So what does happens after Russia invades the Ukraine?  What happens after we let Russia get away with this?

[stormchan.org image 850x606]
I would hardly call "destroying their farking economy and forcing them to pull back without ever endangering a single American servicemember's life" letting them get away with it.

And make no mistake, that's exactly what we're going to do.  The Ruble is already in freefall just on the thought that our economic sanctions will come soon.  When they do, you're going to see Russia's economy looking just as shiatty as it did in 1992.


"I'd like to report an intruder in my home, he's kicked me out and is using my stuff and eating my food."
"Don't worry sir, we shut off his bank account and arn't letting him get any more food, he should be gone in a few weeks."
"Oh thank goodness I'll just chill on the street."

I'm not saying the US needs to go in if Russia decides they can haz parts of Ukraine, but some one should. Because hoping they "tucker out" while raping their neighbors is kinda farked up.
 
2014-03-04 09:56:45 AM

SlothB77: MithrandirBooga: jaytkay: SlothB77: What happens after we let Russia get away with this?

What should the US government do?

Be less blah. That's all he's asking. It's not that hard.

It Bush or Reagan were president, Russia would not have gone into the Ukraine in the first place.  Putin would have feared them.  Putin knew there would have been consequences.  What should have happened is that the USA should have made Vladimir Putin too afraid to go into the Ukraine in the first place.  Pre-emption via strong decisive leadership.  Instead, we have disappearing red lines, concessions to the Iranians and international consensus.  Putin does not fear reprisals and is acting as such.

A different reaction to Syria from the USA would have led to a different Russian response to the Ukraine.  As bad as Obama has been with domestic policy, his miscalculations on foreign policy will be even more damaging to this country.



Yeah, Putin would never invade a neighbor with a Bush in the White House.
www.allworldwars.com
 
2014-03-04 09:57:59 AM

SlothB77: MithrandirBooga: jaytkay: SlothB77: What happens after we let Russia get away with this?

What should the US government do?

Be less blah. That's all he's asking. It's not that hard.

It Bush or Reagan were president, Russia would not have gone into the Ukraine in the first place.  Putin would have feared them.  Putin knew there would have been consequences.  What should have happened is that the USA should have made Vladimir Putin too afraid to go into the Ukraine in the first place.  Pre-emption via strong decisive leadership.  Instead, we have disappearing red lines, concessions to the Iranians and international consensus.  Putin does not fear reprisals and is acting as such.

A different reaction to Syria from the USA would have led to a different Russian response to the Ukraine.  As bad as Obama has been with domestic policy, his miscalculations on foreign policy will be even more damaging to this country.


Not bad. You hit most of the talking points but forgot Benghazi. COME ON DUDE, that's the most important one. We expect better from you.
 
2014-03-04 09:58:01 AM

Rhino_man: /but you're right, starting WWIII is totes cooler


If it will bring Jesus 2, Electric Boogaloo, I'm all for it.
 
2014-03-04 09:58:21 AM

Diet_evil: Rhino_man: SlothB77: So what does happens after Russia invades the Ukraine?  What happens after we let Russia get away with this?

[stormchan.org image 850x606]
I would hardly call "destroying their farking economy and forcing them to pull back without ever endangering a single American servicemember's life" letting them get away with it.

And make no mistake, that's exactly what we're going to do.  The Ruble is already in freefall just on the thought that our economic sanctions will come soon.  When they do, you're going to see Russia's economy looking just as shiatty as it did in 1992.

"I'd like to report an intruder in my home, he's kicked me out and is using my stuff and eating my food."
"Don't worry sir, we shut off his bank account and arn't letting him get any more food, he should be gone in a few weeks."
"Oh thank goodness I'll just chill on the street."

I'm not saying the US needs to go in if Russia decides they can haz parts of Ukraine, but some one should. Because hoping they "tucker out" while raping their neighbors is kinda farked up.


The whole situation is farked up, thanks to Putin... so now we have to find the least farked up way out of this situation.  Now, I dunno about you, but I'd say that getting them out with the fewest shots fired is the least farked up way to do it, because shooting at the Russians is likely to start World War Three.
 
2014-03-04 09:59:25 AM

SlothB77: It Bush or Reagan were president, Russia would not have gone into the Ukraine in the first place.  Putin would have feared them.  Putin knew there would have been consequences.


Putin invaded Georgia under Bush.

Still all wrong all retarded all the time.
 
2014-03-04 10:03:16 AM
For those asking what Obama (and others) can do, I posted this in a thread yesterday morning.  The only thing Obama-specific that i would add to this is that the US needs to encourage the EU countries to carry through with the suggested sanctions as a few are starting to waiver because of self interest (UK, Germany-looking at you):

Here are a few things that could help:
1) financial aid. After decades of corruption, Ukraine is broke. Aid from the EUROPEAN, US, Canada etc would go a very long way to stabilizing the situation in Ukraine. The current uncertain situation is really helping Putin. Some stability would help with securing the East and unoccupied parts of the South.

2) international pressure: economic sanctions, asset freezes and removal from the G8 (7). Russian economy relies heavily on oil and gas. That dependence can be exploited and sanctions would have an effective result. Threatening profits will put pressure on Putin from within.

3) military support: not boots on the ground, but NATO could help Ukraine secure its airspace but only if requested (which I think they have already). NATO or UN forces could also send observers to both Crimea and Kyiv (symbolic at this point). The worst case right now is for any side to start shooting, in fact I think Putins plan was that Ukrainian troops or self defense forces would do just that. The fact that they didn't has exposed him diplomatically.

4) give Putin a quiet way out of this. The man is an egomaniac, no way he leaves right now with all the international attention. He needs a quiet, back-channel way to end this.
 
2014-03-04 10:04:05 AM
ransack.:

Reminds me of this
[wellaware1.com image 850x599]


Wait.

I know conspiracy theorists are retards, but are they seriously claiming that in a coverup/fake shooting at a school they decided to use a massively famous skateboarder as an actor who would give interviews on camera?

That's retarded even for conspiracy theorists.

As for the subject at hand...  Yeah, Russia is bussing in protesters.
 
2014-03-04 10:06:40 AM
(pointless attempt follows)

Hey, all you Obama apologists:  Nobody is saying  that he's impotent because won't start WW3 over this crap.  Nobody in the U.S can do anything about this but complain.  What people are making fun of is the fact that the WH is ACTING like they are accomplishing something by their stupid posturing.


But hey, call me a teabagger who wants to start a war - it's really all you've got.
 
2014-03-04 10:08:27 AM

danzak: 3) military support: not boots on the ground, but NATO could help Ukraine secure its airspace but only if requested (which I think they have already). NATO or UN forces could also send observers to both Crimea and Kyiv (symbolic at this point). The worst case right now is for any side to start shooting, in fact I think Putins plan was that Ukrainian troops or self defense forces would do just that. The fact that they didn't has exposed him diplomatically.


Exactly correct.  Putin thought he could work this just like Georgia.  He thought he'd use the government's collapse the same way he used the shelling of Tskhinvali, as the excuse to go in and "defend" the pro-Russian elements present in that country.  The Georgian military shot at the Russians, providing legitimacy for his actions.  The Ukrainians haven't done that, which means that he's just got his tits out in the cold now.
 
2014-03-04 10:10:00 AM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: (pointless attempt follows)

Hey, all you Obama apologists:  Nobody is saying  that he's impotent because won't start WW3 over this crap.  Nobody in the U.S can do anything about this but complain.  What people are making fun of is the fact that the WH is ACTING like they are accomplishing something by their stupid posturing.


But hey, call me a teabagger who wants to start a war - it's really all you've got.


Tell that to all the people who are literally saying that he's impotent because he won't start WW3.  I've heard countless cries of "Obama is weak because he won't stand up to them!"  "He should stand up to Putin!"  "We should intervene militarily!"

Just because you're not saying it doesn't mean nobody is.
 
2014-03-04 10:11:17 AM

SlothB77: jaytkay: SlothB77: What happens after we let Russia get away with this?

What should the US government do?

provide military support to the Ukraine.  Any use of force by Russia in the Ukraine will be met with the use of military force by the United States in support of the Ukraine.

The Ukraine government that was ousted had outlawed peaceful protest after enduring continued peaceful protest for their unpopular policies.  The Ukrainian government-turned-dictatorship sanctioned the violent crackdown of peaceful protesters, which led to violent protest and its eventual ouster.  Russia entering the fray is as an imperial force supporting an ousted dictatorship.  It can only do this via military force against the will of the Ukrainian people.  It must be stopped at all costs.


www.aboyandhiscomputer.com

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
2014-03-04 10:11:36 AM

SlothB77: MithrandirBooga: jaytkay: SlothB77: What happens after we let Russia get away with this?

What should the US government do?

Be less blah. That's all he's asking. It's not that hard.

It Bush or Reagan were president, Russia would not have gone into the Ukraine in the first place.  Putin would have feared them.  Putin knew there would have been consequences.  What should have happened is that the USA should have made Vladimir Putin too afraid to go into the Ukraine in the first place.  Pre-emption via strong decisive leadership.  Instead, we have disappearing red lines, concessions to the Iranians and international consensus.  Putin does not fear reprisals and is acting as such.

A different reaction to Syria from the USA would have led to a different Russian response to the Ukraine.  As bad as Obama has been with domestic policy, his miscalculations on foreign policy will be even more damaging to this country.


You're no MIKE LOWELL.
 
2014-03-04 10:12:13 AM

Rhino_man: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: (pointless attempt follows)

Hey, all you Obama apologists:  Nobody is saying  that he's impotent because won't start WW3 over this crap.  Nobody in the U.S can do anything about this but complain.  What people are making fun of is the fact that the WH is ACTING like they are accomplishing something by their stupid posturing.


But hey, call me a teabagger who wants to start a war - it's really all you've got.

Tell that to all the people who are literally saying that he's impotent because he won't start WW3.  I've heard countless cries of "Obama is weak because he won't stand up to them!"  "He should stand up to Putin!"  "We should intervene militarily!"

Just because you're not saying it doesn't mean nobody is.


someone just said it in this thread that he apparently didn't bother reading before asserting that nobody is saying that
 
2014-03-04 10:12:41 AM

Fista-Phobia: SlothB77: jaytkay: SlothB77: What happens after we let Russia get away with this?

What should the US government do?

provide military support to the Ukraine.  Any use of force by Russia in the Ukraine will be met with the use of military force by the United States in support of the Ukraine.

The Ukraine government that was ousted had outlawed peaceful protest after enduring continued peaceful protest for their unpopular policies.  The Ukrainian government-turned-dictatorship sanctioned the violent crackdown of peaceful protesters, which led to violent protest and its eventual ouster.  Russia entering the fray is as an imperial force supporting an ousted dictatorship.  It can only do this via military force against the will of the Ukrainian people.  It must be stopped at all costs.

[www.aboyandhiscomputer.com image 477x700]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


I love the fact that they haven't changed a bit in precisely 10 years.  Especially "Our Take: Goddamn liberal pussies are at it again!"
 
2014-03-04 10:13:03 AM
gas prices already going up
/sure it's just coincidence or a really good reason
/they don't miss a beat very often
/in threes
 
2014-03-04 10:13:42 AM
Just listened to Obamas speech yesterday. Why do liberals think they win every discussion as long as they use the term "wrong side of history?" It is pretty ignorant to believe they get to choose the historic perspective in all things. How about actually being firm with diplomatic speeches, not diplomacy by shame. Putin really doesnt care that Obama thinks what he did was bad.
 
2014-03-04 10:16:08 AM

jaytkay: The fact that Obama has not taken decisive action is one of the clearest illustrations yet that Benghazi socialism muslim.


The fact that the Media and every liberal here mocked McCain and Romney when they mentioned Russia as a big global threat is jusy another example of ignorance. Obama even mocked Romney by saying the Cold War was over. Even farking Palin talked about how Russia was angling to take the Crimea region. farking Palin! And Obama seems to have been caught completely off guard.
 
2014-03-04 10:16:42 AM
Exactly correct.  Putin thought he could work this just like Georgia.  He thought he'd use the government's collapse the same way he used the shelling of Tskhinvali, as the excuse to go in and "defend" the pro-Russian elements present in that country.  The Georgian military shot at the Russians, providing legitimacy for his actions.  The Ukrainians haven't done that, which means that he's just got his tits out in the cold now.

Yep, not sure if true but a phone call was apparently intercepted yesterday between Putin and a commander on the ground:
http://tvi.ua/new/2014/03/03/ukrayinci_perekhopyly_rozmovu_putina_z_ ro siyskymy_viyskovymy_v_krymu___zmi

Also, from earlier today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2y_s9jWO9s

(not sure why they're carrying the Soviet flag too, maybe to remind them that they used to be on the same side??)
 
2014-03-04 10:16:51 AM

Bomb Head Mohammed: Crewmannumber6: Whoever wins, Crimea loses.

"Crimea has a lot fewer ethnic Russians (58%) than Chechnya has ethnic Chechens (95%). Yet Crimea enjoys a level of autonomy, Chechnya and other Russian Federal Republics can only dream of.

13 of 21 Russian federal republics have Russian ethnic population in minority, yet they are subordinated to Moscow and the Russian plutocrats. They are not treated like federated republics, but like colonies to be exploited and subjugated!"


Crimea has to always have autonomy or its an act of war against Turkey.  Its in the peace treaty for the Crimean war.
 
2014-03-04 10:17:02 AM

Tigger: SlothB77: It Bush or Reagan were president, Russia would not have gone into the Ukraine in the first place.  Putin would have feared them.  Putin knew there would have been consequences.

Putin invaded Georgia under Bush.

Still all wrong all retarded all the time.


Saw McCain on the news this morning spouting the same talking points as sloth here. Something about "If we had the same military that we had when Reagan was in office, Putin wouldn't have done this, because he would have feared us." type BS. I think he even mentioned something about Syria, which always cracks me up. Remember Syria, John? Remember you saying that Obama had to do something to stop it, and when he finally decided to do something, you said he couldn't do that? Remember, John? And don't even get me started on this whole "size of our military" thing. The draw down hasn't even started.

Fer farks sake. Do these people REALLY believe this tripe they're spewing?
 
2014-03-04 10:18:22 AM

MyRandomName: jaytkay: The fact that Obama has not taken decisive action is one of the clearest illustrations yet that Benghazi socialism muslim.

The fact that the Media and every liberal here mocked McCain and Romney when they mentioned Russia as a big global threat is jusy another example of ignorance. Obama even mocked Romney by saying the Cold War was over. Even farking Palin talked about how Russia was angling to take the Crimea region. farking Palin! And Obama seems to have been caught completely off guard.


How do you think president Palin would have handled this situation?
 
2014-03-04 10:18:54 AM

dinch: Tigger: SlothB77: It Bush or Reagan were president, Russia would not have gone into the Ukraine in the first place.  Putin would have feared them.  Putin knew there would have been consequences.

Putin invaded Georgia under Bush.

Still all wrong all retarded all the time.

Saw McCain on the news this morning spouting the same talking points as sloth here. Something about "If we had the same military that we had when Reagan was in office, Putin wouldn't have done this, because he would have feared us." type BS. I think he even mentioned something about Syria, which always cracks me up. Remember Syria, John? Remember you saying that Obama had to do something to stop it, and when he finally decided to do something, you said he couldn't do that? Remember, John? And don't even get me started on this whole "size of our military" thing. The draw down hasn't even started.

Fer farks sake. Do these people REALLY believe this tripe they're spewing?


No. That's why they are talking points and not constructive policy suggestions / ideas.
 
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