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(Washington Post)   Putin clarifies his position on Crimea: "I'm not using force, but I could if I wanted to, and it would be legal, so nyah"   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 158
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2014-03-04 09:00:28 AM  
Crimea River
 
2014-03-04 09:02:24 AM  
Send in John Kerry and his strongly worded letter stating how upset we are.
 
2014-03-04 09:03:14 AM  
Whoever wins, Crimea loses.
 
2014-03-04 09:03:33 AM  
so nyah"

imgs.tuts.dragoart.com

Nyan?
 
2014-03-04 09:07:15 AM  
The fact that Obama has not taken decisive action is one of the clearest illustrations yet that Benghazi socialism muslim.
 
2014-03-04 09:07:44 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Send in John Kerry and his strongly worded letter stating how upset we are.


no send in the chicken hawk teabagger brigade, you can lead the charge in your hoverround.
 
2014-03-04 09:09:45 AM  
FTA: "Putin blamed much of the disorder he described on the West, particularly the United States."

Wha?
 
2014-03-04 09:10:32 AM  
I know you really need a distraction, but don't f*ck around in this mess.  It could get really ugly.
 
2014-03-04 09:11:08 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Send in John Kerry and his strongly worded letter stating how upset we are.


... and economic sanctions which are sure to cripple the Russian economy.  So sure, in fact, that the economy is already tanking on the thought that those sanctions will be coming.

But, you know, you can keep believing that the US is feckless if we don't start WWIII all you want.
 
2014-03-04 09:12:11 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Send in John Kerry and his strongly worded letter stating how upset we are.


I thought Kerry was going to release a statement, stating that he MAY release a strongly worded letter to the UN, who should then send in Rip Torn with a bucket of strongly worded confetti for Putin to enjoy.
 
2014-03-04 09:12:51 AM  
Quoted from Putin in the article...

"All we did was reinforce the defense of our armed facilities," he said. "They have been receiving threats because radicals, extremists were moving to Crimea. We hope we won't be forced to do anything like that in eastern Ukraine. We don't want to interfere, but all Ukrainians should have equal rights in shaping the future of the country no matter where they live."


You'll have to excuse me if I think the media is just OVER-HYPing this so the story will draw more attention.......
 
2014-03-04 09:12:54 AM  
The headline reads "Putin says he will protect Russians in Ukraine", but will he protect Ukrainians in Ukraine?
 
2014-03-04 09:13:20 AM  

Headso: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Send in John Kerry and his strongly worded letter stating how upset we are.

no send in the chicken hawk teabagger brigade, you can lead the charge in your hoverround.


This one's particularly hungry but please, don't feed the troll.
 
2014-03-04 09:13:41 AM  
Crewmannumber6: Whoever wins, Crimea loses.

"Crimea has a lot fewer ethnic Russians (58%) than Chechnya has ethnic Chechens (95%). Yet Crimea enjoys a level of autonomy, Chechnya and other Russian Federal Republics can only dream of.

13 of 21 Russian federal republics have Russian ethnic population in minority, yet they are subordinated to Moscow and the Russian plutocrats. They are not treated like federated republics, but like colonies to be exploited and subjugated!"
 
2014-03-04 09:13:46 AM  

Epic Fap Session: FTA: "Putin blamed much of the disorder he described on the West, particularly the United States."

Wha?


I've already gotten into it with people on twitter who think this... here's their farked up reasoning:
People are never unhappy with their own governments.  Therefore, people never want to revolt against their governments.  Therefore someone else must be staging those uprisings.  That somebody is the US.  Therefore, the US made Russia invade Crimea by causing the Ukrainian government to collapse with a staged, false-flag uprising.

Seriously.  That's what they think.
 
2014-03-04 09:15:01 AM  
jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com
/obscure?
 
2014-03-04 09:15:39 AM  

Headso: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Send in John Kerry and his strongly worded letter stating how upset we are.

no send in the chicken hawk teabagger brigade, you can lead the charge in your hoverround.


Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death,
Rode the six hundred.
'Forward, the Hoverround Brigade!
Charge for the guns' he said:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

'Forward, the Hoverround Brigade!'
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho' the teabaggers knew
Some one had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
Rode the six hundred.

Flash'd all their Big Gulps bare,
Flash'd as they turned in air
waving their gadsden flags the gunners there,
Charging an army while
All the world wonder'd:
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right thro' the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reel'd from the wheel smoke
Shatter'd and sunder'd.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
While hoverround and real patriots fell,
They that had fought so well
Came thro' the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of Hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.

When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wonder'd.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Hoverround Brigade,
Noble six hundred!
 
2014-03-04 09:16:16 AM  

Strik3r: Quoted from Putin in the article...

"All we did was reinforce the defense of our armed facilities," he said. "They have been receiving threats because radicals, extremists were moving to Crimea. We hope we won't be forced to do anything like that in eastern Ukraine. We don't want to interfere, but all Ukrainians should have equal rights in shaping the future of the country no matter where they live."


You'll have to excuse me if I think the media is just OVER-HYPing this so the story will draw more attention.......


... and if all they had done was fortify their own facilities, nobody would have given a shiat... but they seized the airports and government buildings, besieged Ukrainian military bases and demanded surrender, dug trenches along the border between Crimea and the uncontested parts of Ukraine and set up military checkpoints.

So no, this isn't just reinforcing the defense of their armed facilities.
 
2014-03-04 09:16:51 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: [jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com image 436x226]
/obscure?


Now I know you're trolling.  That's the single most overused image on fark, and you're asking if it's obscure?

Get the fark outta here.
 
2014-03-04 09:16:58 AM  

Headso: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Send in John Kerry and his strongly worded letter stating how upset we are.

no send in the chicken hawk teabagger brigade, you can lead the charge in your hoverround.


How am I supposed to fit in a vacuum cleaner? I'm fat as hell.
 
2014-03-04 09:17:02 AM  
Just let the farking Russians get the fark in there and secure the untethered nuclear material before some abu grabba alla akbar nuts get their filthy hands on it.
 
2014-03-04 09:17:44 AM  
Hey. We've gotten Crimea River, the Charge of the Light Brigade, and "This will get out of hand".

But no Admiral Akbar? Who was supposed to bring Admiral Akbar to the thread?

/Checks script
 
2014-03-04 09:18:03 AM  
in 3
2
....
 
2014-03-04 09:18:18 AM  

Rhino_man: Epic Fap Session: FTA: "Putin blamed much of the disorder he described on the West, particularly the United States."

Wha?

I've already gotten into it with people on twitter who think this... here's their farked up reasoning:
People are never unhappy with their own governments.  Therefore, people never want to revolt against their governments.  Therefore someone else must be staging those uprisings.  That somebody is the US.  Therefore, the US made Russia invade Crimea by causing the Ukrainian government to collapse with a staged, false-flag uprising.

Seriously.  That's what they think.


There's a significant disinformation effort by the Russians going on right now, I'm not surprised people fall for it. Really, with all the information available on the internet there's no excuse to be so misinformed other than laziness.
 
2014-03-04 09:18:57 AM  

Epic Fap Session: FTA: "Putin blamed much of the disorder he described on the West, particularly the United States."

Wha?


The US is to blame for everything bad in the world. What, are you new here?
 
2014-03-04 09:20:32 AM  

linemanbear: Crimea River


Is this the new "Weeners?"
 
2014-03-04 09:20:55 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Send in John Kerry and his strongly worded letter stating how upset we are.


Just send in John Kerry. Have him sit in one of the Ukrainian bases that are surrounded. If they storm the place and kill him, we can make a lot of trouble for the Russians.
 
2014-03-04 09:20:58 AM  
spiral_fishcake: The headline reads "Putin says he will protect Russians in Ukraine", but will he protect Ukrainians in Ukraine?

putin's definition of "Russians" includes basically anybody who speaks Russian. This is like the English suddenly deciding to protect (US state name here) on similar pretenses.   It's all part of the general russia propaganda schtick where they count on people on the west not being able to differentiate between also-russian-speaking-ukrainian,  primarily-russian-speaking russian ukrainian, russian-ethnicity-ukrainian citize, russian-speaking russian citizen living in ukraine, "russian", "generally not for the EU", "likes Putin", "wants to join Russia."

the latter category in particular there are VERY few in ukraine, which is why russia had to bus them in over the last few days. The guy who planted the russian flag on the administration building in kharkiv?  a russian citizen from a russian ultranationalist group living in russia who came to ukraine a few days earlier on a tourist visa.  we even know his facebook page (where, bizarrely, he has pictures of himself in nazi regalia).

my company has offices in both eastern and western ukraine.   i have ethnic russians, ukrainians, and people who consider themselves ethnically jewish working for me.   half of them speak no or not much ukrainian.  and all, to a person, hate putin with a passion.   of course, these are self-selected young people who work for a western company, but it is telling.
 
2014-03-04 09:21:01 AM  

smoky2010: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Send in John Kerry and his strongly worded letter stating how upset we are.

I thought Kerry was going to release a statement, stating that he MAY release a strongly worded letter to the UN, who should then send in Rip Torn with a bucket of strongly worded confetti for Putin to enjoy.


So what is the proper US response?
 
2014-03-04 09:21:16 AM  

vudukungfu: Just let the farking Russians get the fark in there and secure the untethered nuclear material before some abu grabba alla akbar nuts get their filthy hands on it.


We already dealt with Ukraine's unsecured nuclear material... in 1993, when the Russians left it there unattended.  Thanks for the completely unprompted racism, though.  That was refreshing.
 
2014-03-04 09:21:27 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: /obscure?


STFU
 
2014-03-04 09:21:52 AM  

Tatterdemalian: linemanbear: Crimea River

Is this the new "Weeners?"


No, we'll just refer to these in the coming years as the Crimea River threads. And our kids will look at us strangely.

Well, more strangely than usual.
 
2014-03-04 09:22:06 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: /obscure?


Side note, I watched that with my wife and she pointed put there are only three women characters in the whole film, only one of whom has both a speaking part and a name. The rest of the film takes place in Clancy's fantasy boys-only treehouse.

static.planetminecraft.com
 
2014-03-04 09:22:20 AM  
So what does happens after Russia invades the Ukraine?  What happens after we let Russia get away with this?  Will the rest of the world be a safer, more peaceful place or a dangerous, more war-torn place?  Will other rogue leaders be more inclined or less inclined to be aggressive?  Will our allies be more trusting or less trusting of our support?  Will our allies be confident that we are willing to help defend them if they are in peril?

And why is Russia invading the Ukraine?  Because the Ukraine just attacked them?  Because the Ukraine sent terrorists to attack Russia?  None of that.  This is pure Russian imperialism.  The USA didn't do anything close to this in Iraq.  We freed the people of Iraq from a dictatorship.  Russia saw Ukrainians exercising democracy, ousting a dictator and sent their military in to re-establish dictatorship.

By being a weak, spineless leader, Obama is making the world a much more dangerous place.  He is alienating and punishing our allies and rewarding our enemies.  No one fears Obama and that lets rogue leaders run roughshod over the world, lets them murder their own citizens.  If we let the Russians take the Ukraine, what is to stop them from going after Moldova or Belarus or Poland or Romania or Bulgaria next?  Or all of them
 
2014-03-04 09:22:40 AM  

cgraves67: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Send in John Kerry and his strongly worded letter stating how upset we are.

Just send in John Kerry. Have him sit in one of the Ukrainian bases that are surrounded. If they storm the place and kill him, we can make a lot of trouble for the Russians.


I would be fine with it if it wasn't for the fact that it would turn "BENGHAZI WHARRGARBL" into "BENGHAZI AND SEMFEROPOL WHARRGARBL" all over my facebook.
 
2014-03-04 09:22:56 AM  

Rhino_man: We already dealt with Ukraine's unsecured nuclear material... in 1993, when the Russians left it there unattended.  Thanks for the completely unprompted racism, though.  That was refreshing.


See? That is how you troll.
Completely off target, and almost an insta bite.

Now you others take notes.
because I'm not going to show you again in this thread.
 
2014-03-04 09:25:21 AM  

SlothB77: So what does happens after Russia invades the Ukraine?  What happens after we let Russia get away with this?

stormchan.org

I would hardly call "destroying their farking economy and forcing them to pull back without ever endangering a single American servicemember's life" letting them get away with it.

And make no mistake, that's exactly what we're going to do.  The Ruble is already in freefall just on the thought that our economic sanctions will come soon.  When they do, you're going to see Russia's economy looking just as shiatty as it did in 1992.
 
2014-03-04 09:25:54 AM  

SlothB77: What happens after we let Russia get away with this?


What should the US government do?
 
2014-03-04 09:26:40 AM  

jaytkay: smoky2010: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Send in John Kerry and his strongly worded letter stating how upset we are.

I thought Kerry was going to release a statement, stating that he MAY release a strongly worded letter to the UN, who should then send in Rip Torn with a bucket of strongly worded confetti for Putin to enjoy.

So what is the proper US response?


The proper US response is to release several hundred thousand barrels of our reserve oil daily and effectively hit the Russkies right in their dick. Remember: their economy is highly dependent upon oil, so if we're able to flood the market and drop prices...boom: their already weak economy gets hit hard. Of course there are a couple of obvious holes in this plan:

1. Our wonderful Saudi "friends" will probably not go for this.
2. An injured Russia is a very dangerous Russia.

Still, hitting them right in the dick. That's fun, right?
 
2014-03-04 09:27:12 AM  
Remember, the Ukrainian uprising started because the Ukraine outlawed all protests - they were met with government-sanctioned violence - hence dictatorship.
 
2014-03-04 09:27:27 AM  

Rhino_man: cgraves67: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Send in John Kerry and his strongly worded letter stating how upset we are.

Just send in John Kerry. Have him sit in one of the Ukrainian bases that are surrounded. If they storm the place and kill him, we can make a lot of trouble for the Russians.

I would be fine with it if it wasn't for the fact that it would turn "BENGHAZI WHARRGARBL" into "BENGHAZI AND SEMFEROPOL WHARRGARBL" all over my facebook.


If you refrain from doing things because some people babble incoherently, you'll never accomplish anything.
 
2014-03-04 09:28:22 AM  

No Such Agency: Debeo Summa Credo: /obscure?

Side note, I watched that with my wife and she pointed put there are only three women characters in the whole film, only one of whom has both a speaking part and a name. The rest of the film takes place in Clancy's fantasy boys-only treehouse.

[static.planetminecraft.com image 300x268]


There's actually a test you can apply to a film to measure this effect:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bechdel_test

"The Bechdel test asks whether a work of fiction features at least two women who talk to each other about something other than a man. A popular addendum is that the two women must be named. Many contemporary works fail this test of gender bias."

A surprising number of films fail this test (http://bechdeltest.com/ ). Amusingly, the latest Jack Ryan is on the list.
 
2014-03-04 09:28:47 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: spiral_fishcake: The headline reads "Putin says he will protect Russians in Ukraine", but will he protect Ukrainians in Ukraine?

putin's definition of "Russians" includes basically anybody who speaks Russian. This is like the English suddenly deciding to protect (US state name here) on similar pretenses.   It's all part of the general russia propaganda schtick where they count on people on the west not being able to differentiate between also-russian-speaking-ukrainian,  primarily-russian-speaking russian ukrainian, russian-ethnicity-ukrainian citize, russian-speaking russian citizen living in ukraine, "russian", "generally not for the EU", "likes Putin", "wants to join Russia."

the latter category in particular there are VERY few in ukraine, which is why russia had to bus them in over the last few days. The guy who planted the russian flag on the administration building in kharkiv?  a russian citizen from a russian ultranationalist group living in russia who came to ukraine a few days earlier on a tourist visa.  we even know his facebook page (where, bizarrely, he has pictures of himself in nazi regalia).

my company has offices in both eastern and western ukraine.   i have ethnic russians, ukrainians, and people who consider themselves ethnically jewish working for me.   half of them speak no or not much ukrainian.  and all, to a person, hate putin with a passion.   of course, these are self-selected young people who work for a western company, but it is telling.


This!  well said.

evidence of protester "tourists".  Same people, different cities.  Putin is bussing them in.

scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2014-03-04 09:29:02 AM  

vudukungfu: Just let the farking Russians get the fark in there and secure the untethered nuclear material before some abu grabba alla akbar nuts get their filthy hands on it.


As a matter of fact... I would rather not leave it to them, really.
blog.kievukraine.info
/actual size
 
2014-03-04 09:29:08 AM  

vudukungfu: Rhino_man: We already dealt with Ukraine's unsecured nuclear material... in 1993, when the Russians left it there unattended.  Thanks for the completely unprompted racism, though.  That was refreshing.

See? That is how you troll.
Completely off target, and almost an insta bite.

Now you others take notes.
because I'm not going to show you again in this thread.


... and this is why I use the favorites list to color-code people.  The first one got you highlighted in road-cone orange like all the people who are so stupid they might wander into traffic and get themselves hurt.

The admission that you were trolling gets you highlighted in neon goddamn yellow... because fool me once, shame on... shame on you.  Fool me twice... YOU CAN'T GET FOOLED AGAIN.

/Well done.
 
2014-03-04 09:31:04 AM  

cgraves67: Rhino_man: cgraves67: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Send in John Kerry and his strongly worded letter stating how upset we are.

Just send in John Kerry. Have him sit in one of the Ukrainian bases that are surrounded. If they storm the place and kill him, we can make a lot of trouble for the Russians.

I would be fine with it if it wasn't for the fact that it would turn "BENGHAZI WHARRGARBL" into "BENGHAZI AND SEMFEROPOL WHARRGARBL" all over my facebook.

If you refrain from doing things because some people babble incoherently, you'll never accomplish anything.


It's not because those people babble incoherently... it's because those people babble incoherently in the direction of people who vote but can't be bothered to do 30 seconds worth of searching beforehand.  Anything that makes their claims seem half-way credible is bad.
 
2014-03-04 09:31:06 AM  

SlothB77: So what does happens after Russia invades the Ukraine?  What happens after we let Russia get away with this?  Will the rest of the world be a safer, more peaceful place or a dangerous, more war-torn place?  Will other rogue leaders be more inclined or less inclined to be aggressive?  Will our allies be more trusting or less trusting of our support?  Will our allies be confident that we are willing to help defend them if they are in peril?

And why is Russia invading the Ukraine?  Because the Ukraine just attacked them?  Because the Ukraine sent terrorists to attack Russia?  None of that.  This is pure Russian imperialism.  The USA didn't do anything close to this in Iraq.  We freed the people of Iraq from a dictatorship.  Russia saw Ukrainians exercising democracy, ousting a dictator and sent their military in to re-establish dictatorship.

By being a weak, spineless leader, Obama is making the world a much more dangerous place.  He is alienating and punishing our allies and rewarding our enemies.  No one fears Obama and that lets rogue leaders run roughshod over the world, lets them murder their own citizens.  If we let the Russians take the Ukraine, what is to stop them from going after Moldova or Belarus or Poland or Romania or Bulgaria next?  Or all of them


The one thing that we can all be sure of is that, whatever happens, you will be completely wrong about it.
 
2014-03-04 09:31:48 AM  

jaytkay: SlothB77: What happens after we let Russia get away with this?

What should the US government do?


provide military support to the Ukraine.  Any use of force by Russia in the Ukraine will be met with the use of military force by the United States in support of the Ukraine.

The Ukraine government that was ousted had outlawed peaceful protest after enduring continued peaceful protest for their unpopular policies.  The Ukrainian government-turned-dictatorship sanctioned the violent crackdown of peaceful protesters, which led to violent protest and its eventual ouster.  Russia entering the fray is as an imperial force supporting an ousted dictatorship.  It can only do this via military force against the will of the Ukrainian people.  It must be stopped at all costs.
 
2014-03-04 09:31:50 AM  
I don't think Putin's kleptocrat buddies are super excited about the MICEX being in free fall since Friday. This thing will correct itself soon enough. Too much money at stake.
 
2014-03-04 09:33:13 AM  

Tigger: The one thing that we can all be sure of is that, whatever happens, you will be completely wrong about it.


Just like Sarah Palin was.  Oh, wait...
 
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