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(SeattlePI)   Continuing David Stern's tradition of trolling Seattle, new NBA Commissioner Adam Silver would be open to placing expansion teams in Europe before resurrecting the Sonics   (blog.seattlepi.com) divider line 88
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2014-03-04 11:13:41 AM
Reporter: "Would the NBA be interested in moving to Europe?"
NBA Commissioner: "Maybe, but Europe isn't ready"
Seattle  PI: "zOMG! The NBA will expand to Europe before resurrecting the Supersonics!"
 
2014-03-04 11:19:46 AM
Sacramento!!!!!!

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2014-03-04 11:27:45 AM
Well, Christ, did you see how those Seattle fans were acting during their city's first championship in eleventy billion years?
No thanks.  Rather take a battery in the head from a Philadelphian
 
IP
2014-03-04 11:28:16 AM
Seattle is to the NBA what LA is to the NFL.  They'll never get a team but will be trotted out as a stalking horse whenever another team needs a new arena.  Fark the NBA.
 
2014-03-04 11:34:30 AM

IP: Seattle is to the NBA what LA is to the NFL.  They'll never get a team but will be trotted out as a stalking horse whenever another team needs a new arena.  Fark the NBA.


Milwaukee absolutely is not willing to pony up for a new arena to replace the Bradley Center, especially not for a team that has proven time and again they have no plan whatsoever as to how to get anything above the 8 seed and a 4-game destruction at the hands of LeBron, and the Bucks are eleventy-billionth on the priority scale in Wisconsin sports anyway. Adam Silver is going to have a relocation on his hands within five years, and Seattle is first in line to buy, and everybody in Wisconsin that gives a shiat knows Seattle is first in line to buy.
 
2014-03-04 11:42:49 AM
Sounds like a great idea to stretch the NBA talent pool thinner by adding teams while you have half your league is intentionally tanking it for draft position.
If anything the NBA should contract 2-4 teams.
 
2014-03-04 11:47:55 AM

llortcM_yllort: Reporter: "Would the NBA be interested in moving to Europe?"
NBA Commissioner: "Maybe, but Europe isn't ready"
Seattle  PI: "zOMG! The NBA will expand to Europe before resurrecting the Supersonics!"


Not just any reporter.  It was Malcolm Gladwell, and he said it during the Sloan Sports Conference.  Not only (as you mention) was the article a stretch, but it was about a (likely) non-Sloan Conference topic.  His next book should be called "Jerks who Make Shiat Up"
 
2014-03-04 11:55:22 AM

flynn80: Sounds like a great idea to stretch the NBA talent pool thinner by adding teams while you have half your league is intentionally tanking it for draft position.
If anything the NBA should contract 2-4 teams.


And that's actually a direction the article could have gone, based on the direct quote from Silver about Seattle:
 "I hope we get back there some day, but right now I'm responsible for our 30 teams, not all of which are economically healthy."
Take that quote and your assertion of teams tanking; at the Sloan Conference, you can ask how many teams know they can't compete for a playoff spot and find it makes more sense to "compete" for a good draft pick?
And the discussion shouldlead to topics like "a single NBA player can have a greater impact on his team than a single player on a team in any other league...etc...
 Nope, instead it's:

Did you say "f*ck Seattle?"
No.
No what?
No, I didn't say "f*ck Seattle"
Oh my god, he just said it, guys!
 
2014-03-04 11:58:46 AM
What happened to Seattle's old team? Did it get stolen? Did Seattle not have it insured?

You gotta take better care of your stuff, man.
 
2014-03-04 12:06:19 PM

Gosling: IP: Seattle is to the NBA what LA is to the NFL.  They'll never get a team but will be trotted out as a stalking horse whenever another team needs a new arena.  Fark the NBA.

Milwaukee absolutely is not willing to pony up for a new arena to replace the Bradley Center, especially not for a team that has proven time and again they have no plan whatsoever as to how to get anything above the 8 seed and a 4-game destruction at the hands of LeBron, and the Bucks are eleventy-billionth on the priority scale in Wisconsin sports anyway. Adam Silver is going to have a relocation on his hands within five years, and Seattle is first in line to buy, and everybody in Wisconsin that gives a shiat knows Seattle is first in line to buy.


I really hope you are wrong but I wouldn't bet on it.

On the side of optimism, Herb has stated many times he wants to sell to someone committed to keeping the team in Milwaukee. Just yesterday there was an article on the Jounral Sentinal site about Junior Bridgeman (multimillionaire restaurant franchise owner and former Buck) expressing interest in the team and pledging his (moral) support for a future Milwaukee home for the Bucks. Here's the link:  http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/248050771.html. He owns a share in the Kings and watched what SacMayor did to keep them around a struggling middle class city.

I grew up in SE Wisconsin and have many fond memories of going to Bucks games as a kid. The 2001 season was incredible and then Stern stole our trip to the finals and a lot of fans just gave up. My uncles had season tickets for over 20 years but dropped them like a bad habit after that and with the exception of the "Fear the Deer" run a few years ago, they have been a dismal product ever since. I understand why people stop going. I'm not sure if much will change in the coming years even if we land a top pick in this draft. And with so many sour memories of the Miller Park fiasco combined with the current economic climate in Wisconsin and the rest of America I don't think the taxpayers would want anything to do with a new arena plan.

You'll hear people say "let them go, we can just get an NHL team someday" but those people are fooling themselves if they think losing our basketball team to another town is going to make us an attractive landing spot for a struggling hockey franchise (not to mention the obvious racial undertones of such a sentiment).

I love sports and love basketball and I will be very very sad for my hometown if they lose the Bucks. It's even more sad considering so many people could care less. I hope someone with deep pockets and a commitment to the state steps up but I won't hold my breath. And the rust belt decay continues...
 
2014-03-04 12:09:07 PM
NBA Europe Division would be pretty cool in my opinion.

You can move:

Charlotte
Milwaukee
Minnesota
Portland
Orlando

Put them in:
Barcelona
Madrid
Greece
Turkey
Israel

Make a European division and put them in the eastern conference

Shuffle around the remaining teams a bit and you're set
 
2014-03-04 12:09:48 PM
Not sure why I said Portland.. I meant Sac
 
2014-03-04 12:16:36 PM

MugzyBrown: NBA Europe Division would be pretty cool in my opinion.

You can move:

Charlotte
Milwaukee
Minnesota
Portland
Orlando

Put them in:
Barcelona
Madrid
Greece
Turkey
Israel

Make a European division and put them in the eastern conference

Shuffle around the remaining teams a bit and you're set


how about we take your favorite team and send it to farking Turkey? Your idea is beyond retarded for so many reasons, the biggest travel times. I'm sure your Israeli team is going to love those west coast road trips and elite American players will be lining up to play halfway around the world in a foreign country. And all these millionaire ballers are going to love paying European income taxes.

By the level of intellect demonstrated in your post I can only assume you are 9 years old at most. go back to the politics tab kiddo. Your brilliant ideas will make you a king
 
2014-03-04 12:17:39 PM
So, lots of what ifs in what has to have been an article ghost-written by Bill Simmons?
 
2014-03-04 12:21:59 PM

Kid the Universe: how about we take your favorite team and send it to farking Turkey? Your idea is beyond retarded for so many reasons, the biggest travel times. I'm sure your Israeli team is going to love those west coast road trips and elite American players will be lining up to play halfway around the world in a foreign country. And all these millionaire ballers are going to love paying European income taxes.

By the level of intellect demonstrated in your post I can only assume you are 9 years old at most. go back to the politics tab kiddo. Your brilliant ideas will make you a king


Sorry if you favorite team is lame.

Players will play where the money is.  Marc Gasol left beautiful Spain to play in farking Memphis for god sake.

Travel is no big deal.  So they spend 2 weeks in europe.. whoa horrible.  It can all be easily done with proper scheduling.  Give a team 3 days off to travel, they play all of the teams out in that zone and then they travel back.
 
2014-03-04 12:24:56 PM
Making it the only professional team sports league where jet lag becomes a primary factor in determining a victor.
 
2014-03-04 12:25:24 PM
If it wasn't for the fact that we probably need a basketball team to cohabitate a new arena with a hockey team, I'd be totally f*cking done with the NBA. As it is, I won't be a fan if/when they return and that sucks.
 
2014-03-04 12:37:04 PM

MugzyBrown: NBA Europe Division would be pretty cool in my opinion.

You can move:

Charlotte
Milwaukee
Minnesota
Portland
Orlando

Put them in:
Barcelona
Madrid
Greece
Turkey
Israel

Make a European division and put them in the eastern conference

Shuffle around the remaining teams a bit and you're set


Those places already have teams. That's the thing. They're not NBA teams, but they're the local product. Those are their teams. To move the NBA into Europe would be to basically declare war on the European leagues. A lot of continental European soccer clubs have teams in several other sports, basketball usually one of them. And relocation is simply unheard of in that part of the world. FC Barcelona and Real Madrid fans are not, repeat NOT, going to abandon their own club to go chase down the Zombie Timberwolves. The NBA can come over to visit any time it likes, but it doesn't get to live there.
 
2014-03-04 12:49:56 PM
Any team caught tanking should be contracted.

/looks at the jazz
//well fark
 
2014-03-04 12:54:02 PM

farbekrieg: Any team caught tanking should be contracted.

/looks at the jazz
//well fark


The NBA set up the system.  There is no way to get better other than sucking.

I say get rid of the draft and make all rookies free agents.
 
2014-03-04 12:58:40 PM

MugzyBrown: farbekrieg: Any team caught tanking should be contracted.

/looks at the jazz
//well fark

The NBA set up the system.  There is no way to get better other than sucking.

I say get rid of the draft and make all rookies free agents.


Reverse the lottery. First team out of the playoffs gets the highest likelihood of #1 pick and on down. Or do away with it entirely and just have them go in order, with the 1st team out picking first and on down.
 
2014-03-04 01:06:27 PM

Shame Us: Reverse the lottery. First team out of the playoffs gets the highest likelihood of #1 pick and on down. Or do away with it entirely and just have them go in order, with the 1st team out picking first and on down.


Considering there are  5 or fewer impact players each year in the draft, all this does is make the very bad teams perma bad, like how mediocre teams are now perma-mediocre.

I say just open it up.  If you suck and you want a to flight rookie, you have to pay 'em.
 
2014-03-04 01:09:58 PM

MugzyBrown: Not sure why I said Portland.. I meant Sac


Sorry to burst your bubble but Sac is paying the Nba ransom and is building a new arena
 
2014-03-04 01:29:24 PM

MugzyBrown: Shame Us: Reverse the lottery. First team out of the playoffs gets the highest likelihood of #1 pick and on down. Or do away with it entirely and just have them go in order, with the 1st team out picking first and on down.

Considering there are  5 or fewer impact players each year in the draft, all this does is make the very bad teams perma bad, like how mediocre teams are now perma-mediocre.

I say just open it up.  If you suck and you want a to flight rookie, you have to pay 'em.


Then you have the teams that skimp on player salaries becoming perma-bad and teams that are willing to spend becoming dynasties.  You think the Bobcats and Kings are bad now, wait until they don't even get high draft picks anymore.  Meanwhile, guess which teams are going to repeatedly have an advantage in every bidding war?  Why, the same teams that get all of the free agents of course.

Any attempt to fix the balance of power in the NBA has to address the forces that draw all the talent to certain teams and all the money away from the losers.  In short, it's farked.
 
2014-03-04 01:31:18 PM

MugzyBrown: Shame Us: Reverse the lottery. First team out of the playoffs gets the highest likelihood of #1 pick and on down. Or do away with it entirely and just have them go in order, with the 1st team out picking first and on down.

Considering there are  5 or fewer impact players each year in the draft, all this does is make the very bad teams perma bad, like how mediocre teams are now perma-mediocre.

I say just open it up.  If you suck and you want a to flight rookie, you have to pay 'em.


I thought the point was to stop teams from intentionally tanking. Both ways would work, I suppose. I don't think my way would stagnate the league as much as rookies choosing between max deals to play in Miami/LA/NY or Milwaukee/Cleveland/Memphis every year.
 
2014-03-04 01:36:30 PM

llortcM_yllort: Then you have the teams that skimp on player salaries becoming perma-bad and teams that are willing to spend becoming dynasties.  You think the Bobcats and Kings are bad now, wait until they don't even get high draft picks anymore.  Meanwhile, guess which teams are going to repeatedly have an advantage in every bidding war?  Why, the same teams that get all of the free agents of course.


There's still a salary cap.  The Heat couldn't afford to sign one of the top rookies under the cap.
 
2014-03-04 01:43:57 PM
Looking at cap numbers for next year, there are only 8-9 teams that would be able to compete (financially) for a top flight rookie.  A couple of those teams (Dallas and Phx) are good this year.

So if I'm Wiggins say, maybe I go to Dallas for $14m per year instead of Philly.

It incentivizes trying to be good and financially sound so you can plan for the future.

Maybe you also provide financial incentives to the teams for playing well.  For every game under 30 wins, the team loses X% of their revenue sharing.
 
2014-03-04 01:51:45 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Sorry to burst your bubble but Sac is paying the Nba ransom and is building a new arena


Well, Sacramento's willing to pay because the NBA is the only game in town. The Kings leave, they have no pro teams left, and it's a rather sad bunch of cities in the 'former major league towns' ledger that they really don't want to join.

The (American) cities Sacramento would be joining:

CT: Hartford
IL: Decatur, Moline, Rock Island
IN: Anderson, Evansville, Fort Wayne, Hammond, Muncie
IA: Waterloo
KY: Louisville
MA: Worcester
MN: Duluth
NE: Omaha (they split games with Kansas City when the Kings were around)
NY: Rochester, Staten Island, Syracuse, Tonawanda, Troy
OH: Akron, Canton, Dayton, LaRue, Portsmouth, Toledo
PA: Frankford, Pottsville
RI: Providence
WI: Kenosha, Racine, Sheboygan

That's what Sacramento saw in their future if they didn't pony up. They get ejected from the club that includes New York and Los Angeles and Chicago, and get sent to the club that includes Racine and Duluth and Toledo. Milwaukee does not have that mindset, as they still have the Brewers and the state of Wisconsin has more of an as-long-as-they're-somewhere-in-the-state mentality regarding their teams; the mindset is not 'Milwaukee has two teams' as much as it's 'Wisconsin has three teams plus the Badgers and Marquette'.
 
2014-03-04 01:55:42 PM

MugzyBrown: Maybe you also provide financial incentives to the teams for playing well. For every game under 30 wins, the team loses X% of their revenue sharing.


Revenue sharing is supposed to siphon money from the good teams and give it to the bad teams as a way to keep the league healthy, and you are suggesting the money go in the opposite direction instead.
 
2014-03-04 01:58:00 PM

Gosling: MugzyBrown: Maybe you also provide financial incentives to the teams for playing well. For every game under 30 wins, the team loses X% of their revenue sharing.

Revenue sharing is supposed to siphon money from the good popular/larhe market teams and give it to the bad  less popular/small market teams as a way to keep the league healthy, and you are suggesting the money go in the opposite direction instead.


FTFY
 
2014-03-04 01:59:51 PM

Gosling: Revenue sharing is supposed to siphon money from the good teams and give it to the bad teams as a way to keep the league healthy, and you are suggesting the money go in the opposite direction instead


Like  Shame Us said, it has nothing to do with good/bad, but big money teams and small money teams.

This would make much more sense in an uncapped sport.
 
2014-03-04 02:05:42 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Well, Christ, did you see how those Seattle fans were acting during their city's first championship in eleventy billion years?
No thanks.  Rather take a battery in the head from a Philadelphian



You mean not rioting right after the Super Bowl win?  (Hell, they didn't even jay-walk.)

How about not rioting during the victory parade?

What's your deal?
 
2014-03-04 02:22:28 PM

The_Sponge: Nana's Vibrator: Well, Christ, did you see how those Seattle fans were acting during their city's first championship in eleventy billion years?
No thanks.  Rather take a battery in the head from a Philadelphian


You mean not rioting right after the Super Bowl win?  (Hell, they didn't even jay-walk.)

How about not rioting during the victory parade?

What's your deal?


Yeah the Seattle celebration was well, pretty much what you'd expect from Western Washington.  Everyone cheering extra loud while blazed out of their minds.
 
2014-03-04 02:29:50 PM

Gosling: MugzyBrown: NBA Europe Division would be pretty cool in my opinion.

You can move:

Charlotte
Milwaukee
Minnesota
Portland
Orlando

Put them in:
Barcelona
Madrid
Greece
Turkey
Israel

Make a European division and put them in the eastern conference

Shuffle around the remaining teams a bit and you're set

Those places already have teams. That's the thing. They're not NBA teams, but they're the local product. Those are their teams. To move the NBA into Europe would be to basically declare war on the European leagues. A lot of continental European soccer clubs have teams in several other sports, basketball usually one of them. And relocation is simply unheard of in that part of the world. FC Barcelona and Real Madrid fans are not, repeat NOT, going to abandon their own club to go chase down the Zombie Timberwolves. The NBA can come over to visit any time it likes, but it doesn't get to live there.


www.soccerbyives.net
Oh, if only that were true...
 
2014-03-04 02:30:22 PM

Shame Us: MugzyBrown: farbekrieg: Any team caught tanking should be contracted.

/looks at the jazz
//well fark

The NBA set up the system.  There is no way to get better other than sucking.

I say get rid of the draft and make all rookies free agents.

Reverse the lottery. First team out of the playoffs gets the highest likelihood of #1 pick and on down. Or do away with it entirely and just have them go in order, with the 1st team out picking first and on down.


The fact that it is better to be in the lottery then to be a 6, 7, or 8 seeded playoff team is a problem with the playoffs, not the lottery.  They should cut the NBA playoffs down to each division and 1 wildcard.  The top 4 teams in each conference are the only teams with a chance to win the title anyway.  A six seed has one the title once ever.
 
2014-03-04 02:31:48 PM

MugzyBrown: I say get rid of the draft and make all rookies free agents.


This is really the only solution. The draft is a relic of the days before salary caps, floors, and max contracts and contract lengths. just let the teams with the most cap room get the best players. Thus no direct incentive for winning or losing. It does punish teams with terrible GMs, though (sorry Lakers, Knicks)
 
2014-03-04 02:34:33 PM

IP: Seattle is to the NBA what LA is to the NFL.  They'll never get a team but will be trotted out as a stalking horse whenever another team needs a new arena.  Fark the NBA subsidizing pro sports arenas / stadiums .


FTFY
 
2014-03-04 02:35:52 PM
Rumors are the NHL is expanding to Seattle, this will break ground for the arena the precious NBA wants in order to get a team. I see Seattle having both NBA/NHL within  five years easy
 
2014-03-04 02:52:35 PM

Daniels: Shame Us: MugzyBrown: farbekrieg: Any team caught tanking should be contracted.

/looks at the jazz
//well fark

The NBA set up the system.  There is no way to get better other than sucking.

I say get rid of the draft and make all rookies free agents.

Reverse the lottery. First team out of the playoffs gets the highest likelihood of #1 pick and on down. Or do away with it entirely and just have them go in order, with the 1st team out picking first and on down.

The fact that it is better to be in the lottery then to be a 6, 7, or 8 seeded playoff team is a problem with the playoffs, not the lottery.  They should cut the NBA playoffs down to each division and 1 wildcard.  The top 4 teams in each conference are the only teams with a chance to win the title anyway.  A six seed has one the title once ever.


I agree with cutting the playoffs, but it will never ever happen.
 
2014-03-04 03:00:16 PM
Hey can someone from Seattle remind me, how did Seattle lose their team in the first place?
 
2014-03-04 03:03:35 PM

Slow To Return: Hey can someone from Seattle remind me, how did Seattle lose their team in the first place?



It started with David Stern and Clay Bennett hosting a lemon party.
 
2014-03-04 03:07:58 PM

Lost Thought 00: This is really the only solution. The draft is a relic of the days before salary caps, floors, and max contracts and contract lengths. just let the teams with the most cap room get the best players. Thus no direct incentive for winning or losing. It does punish teams with terrible GMs, though (sorry Lakers, Knicks)


This solution assumes that an Oklahoma dollar is worth the same to a rookie "free agent" as a Los Angeles dollar.

HINT:  It's not.
 
2014-03-04 03:16:47 PM

Slow To Return: HINT:  It's not.


Hint, if the LA team is over the cap, they can't pay a rookie the same amount as a team who is not over the cap.
 
2014-03-04 03:18:11 PM

MugzyBrown: Slow To Return: HINT:  It's not.

Hint, if the LA team is over the cap, they can't pay a rookie the same amount as a team who is not over the cap.


Is there a rookie wage scale in the NBA?
 
2014-03-04 03:27:16 PM

Slow To Return: Lost Thought 00: This is really the only solution. The draft is a relic of the days before salary caps, floors, and max contracts and contract lengths. just let the teams with the most cap room get the best players. Thus no direct incentive for winning or losing. It does punish teams with terrible GMs, though (sorry Lakers, Knicks)

This solution assumes that an Oklahoma dollar is worth the same to a rookie "free agent" as a Los Angeles dollar.

HINT:  It's not.


Which is why LA has never had a player take less money to play elsewhere, right?
 
2014-03-04 03:29:01 PM

lifeboat: What happened to Seattle's old team? Did it get stolen? Did Seattle not have it insured?

You gotta take better care of your stuff, man.


I know.  Especially when there are Okie rednecks around.  They'll take anything that isn't tied down.

Also, if the NBA really wanted to troll Seattle, they'd put a franchise in Spokane ahead of them.
 
2014-03-04 03:29:05 PM

Shame Us: MugzyBrown: Slow To Return: HINT:  It's not.

Hint, if the LA team is over the cap, they can't pay a rookie the same amount as a team who is not over the cap.

Is there a rookie wage scale in the NBA?


Probably.  All of the things used to create balance has done the opposite.

Caps on contracts creates an environment where big name players team up in big cities.

Get rid of the cap
Get rid of contract caps
Get rid of the draft
Keep revenue sharing
Keep a luxury tax


Now if you suck.. spend some damn money.  Maybe it's more glamourous for LeBron to go to Miami than stay in Cleveland.  But what if you pay him $25/year instead of $20m per year over 10 years?  Not as glamourous.
 
2014-03-04 03:29:33 PM

Shame Us: MugzyBrown: Slow To Return: HINT:  It's not.

Hint, if the LA team is over the cap, they can't pay a rookie the same amount as a team who is not over the cap.

Is there a rookie wage scale in the NBA?


Under this proposal, there wouldn't be any extra restrictions on rookie pay, however there are already tons of restrictions on all player contracts
 
2014-03-04 03:30:11 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Well, Christ, did you see how those Seattle fans were acting during their city's first championship in eleventy billion years?
No thanks.  Rather take a battery in the head from a Philadelphian


you mean peaceful gathering with no arrest and generally arson free?
 
2014-03-04 03:33:39 PM

Slow To Return: Hey can someone from Seattle remind me, how did Seattle lose their team in the first place?


some A-hole who owns starbucks sold to an out of state good ol' boy instead of to a group led by Steve Balmer.
 
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