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(Daily Mail)   Well there might be some ethnic cleansing of the native Tartars in Crimea if Russia sticks around. No word on how this will affect fish dipping   ( divider line
    More: Scary, Crimean, Yugoslavia, Russia, Russians, Ukraine, police misconduct, ethnic cleansing, Uzbekistan  
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4616 clicks; posted to Main » on 04 Mar 2014 at 10:49 AM (3 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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vpb [TotalFark]
2014-03-04 09:22:39 AM  
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Sounds like the Trail of Tears.  Maybe we could put Stalin on the $20 bill to replace Andrew Jackson.
2014-03-04 01:53:22 PM  
1 vote:
Not to diminish the plight of the Crimean Tartars, but the Tartars aren't considered ethnic Ukrainians, and prior to 1954, Crimea was never considered to be a part of Ukraine.  Also, historically, prior to Crimean being annexed by the Russian Empire in 1783, the Ukrainians and the Crimean Tartars were generally enemies.  The Tartars, both as the Khanate of Crimea and under the Ottoman Empire ran an extensive slave trade by raiding Ukraine and other neighboring regions to capture slaves which were then exported all over.  Obviously, it's not fair to judge a people by the sins of their ancestors, especially concerning events that happened three centuries ago, but the point I'm trying to make is that the ethnic make-up and history of Crimea is of almost no legitimate relevance when it comes to debating what Crimea's future should be in relation to Ukraine.  The persecution of the Crimean Tartars all took place prior to Crimea becoming part of Ukraine, or in other words, for the entire history of Crimea being under Ukrainian rule, the population of Crimea has been majority ethnic Russians, and thus it's disingenuous to use the historical persecution of the Crimean Tartars as an argument either for or against Kiev's future authority over Crimea.  The debate should focus entirely on the will of the people living there now, the will of the displaced Tartars, the rights Crimea should have had, if any, when the Soviet Union collapsed, and on the legitimacy and wisdom of the tranfer of Crimea from USSR to Ukraine SSR in 1954.
2014-03-04 11:39:10 AM  
1 vote:
My father is a Crimean Tatar who fled with his family 70 years ago when the Russians came.
2014-03-04 11:13:48 AM  
1 vote:

uselessgit: Mhea, no body really cares. Putin could start killing whomever he wants, the worst that will happen is a strongly worded letter. We will forget all about this in two weeks.

Why not?  It worked for Stalin, as he was Roosevelt's good buddies.  Roosevelt actually thought he could charm Stalin into being a nicer guy. The explanation for this thinking, was that Roosevelt was ill at the time. I think they're leaving out the healthy dose of stupid, that was involved.
2014-03-04 11:02:59 AM  
1 vote:

LordJiro: Wait, since when did the right wing care about Muslims?

Whenever it became politically convenient to side with them against 0bummer.
2014-03-04 11:01:08 AM  
1 vote:
Well there might be some ethnic cleansing of the native Tartars again in Crimea if Russia sticks around

FTF those unfamiliar with 20th century Russian history.

(Short version: the reason Crimea has a large Russian-speaking population in the first place is because Stalin deported 200,000 Crimeans in 1944 -- half of them died in the first year -- and gave their jobs and properties to imported Russians.)
2014-03-04 10:50:59 AM  
1 vote:
People are at steak here!.

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