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(The New York Times)   Germany will be crucial in ending Russian invasion of Ukraine. Yeah, like that worked so well the last time   (nytimes.com ) divider line
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2014-03-04 06:37:15 AM  
Call in the light brigade.
 
2014-03-04 06:40:33 AM  
So, What you're sayin' is More Merkel. Less Urkel?
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2014-03-04 06:41:21 AM  
Hugh Crane?

/fnord
 
2014-03-04 06:41:26 AM  

The Muthaship: Call in the light brigade.


This tome they harry the retreating artillery instead of charging the set ones?
 
2014-03-04 06:44:56 AM  
that is the funniest thing i have read today. well done fearmongermitter. lolz
 
2014-03-04 06:46:10 AM  
What happened to the "military storm"? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering military storm.
 
2014-03-04 06:48:28 AM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: The Muthaship: Call in the light brigade.

This tome they harry the retreating artillery instead of charging the set ones?


I really don't follow the way you Brits talk.
 
2014-03-04 06:52:22 AM  

Ecobuckeye: Zarquon's Flat Tire: The Muthaship: Call in the light brigade.

This tome they harry the retreating artillery instead of charging the set ones?

I really don't follow the way you Brits talk.


I haven't had my coffee yet. Let me try this again.

This time tell them to go after the guys running away, not the ones pointing cannons at them.
 
2014-03-04 06:54:47 AM  

Dahnkster: So, What you're sayin' is More Merkel. Less Urkel?
[images.sodahead.com image 323x582]


Right, because he's black and the imaginary version of him that lives in your head is incompetent.  I GET IT!
4.bp.blogspot.com
You told a joke.  That was the punchline.  VERY.  FUNNY.
 
2014-03-04 06:55:24 AM  
Wasn't Ukraine the easy bit for them?
 
2014-03-04 07:02:59 AM  
I did nazi that comming.
/I know, so origional
 
2014-03-04 07:05:57 AM  
Rhino_man:

Right, because he's black and the imaginary version of him that lives in your head is incompetent.  I GET IT!
You told a joke.  That was the punchline.  VERY.  FUNNY.

 I am one of the libbiest libs that ever libbed a lib. Voted for him 5 times. You did get the "You told a joke" part correct. Something you failed at. Carry on, nobody rescues young maidens like you.
 
2014-03-04 07:20:47 AM  

TheVeryDeadIanMartin: Wasn't Ukraine the easy bit for them?


In '41. It got substantially less easy for all involved after that.
 
2014-03-04 07:27:47 AM  

Dahnkster: Rhino_man:

Right, because he's black and the imaginary version of him that lives in your head is incompetent.  I GET IT!
You told a joke.  That was the punchline.  VERY.  FUNNY.
 I am one of the libbiest libs that ever libbed a lib. Voted for him 5 times. You did get the "You told a joke" part correct. Something you failed at. Carry on, nobody rescues young maidens like you.


The confluence of Poe's Law and conservative humor make for very treacherous posting.
 
2014-03-04 07:36:13 AM  
Hey, no harm, no foul. I apologize for all my shortcomings in advance.
 
2014-03-04 07:39:44 AM  

TheVeryDeadIanMartin: Wasn't Ukraine the easy bit for them?


Not on the way home.

/same for the short French dude
 
2014-03-04 07:41:46 AM  

Dahnkster: Hey, no harm, no foul. I apologize for all my shortcomings in advance.


You should definitely apologize, because this is FARK, where rape jokes are funny but Obama jokes are not, if you're a lefty Farmer.
 
2014-03-04 07:46:59 AM  

Animatronik: Dahnkster: Hey, no harm, no foul. I apologize for all my shortcomings in advance.

You should definitely apologize, because this is FARK, where rape jokes are funny but Obama jokes are not, if you're a lefty Farmer.


And we have another Republican talking about rape, completely unprompted.

7:45 AM is a bit early to be drinking.
 
2014-03-04 07:48:15 AM  
I should have Luftwaffles for breakfast this morning after reading that headline.
 
2014-03-04 07:48:54 AM  

Dahnkster: Rhino_man:

Right, because he's black and the imaginary version of him that lives in your head is incompetent.  I GET IT!
You told a joke.  That was the punchline.  VERY.  FUNNY.
 I am one of the libbiest libs that ever libbed a lib. Voted for him 5 times. You did get the "You told a joke" part correct. Something you failed at. Carry on, nobody rescues young maidens like you.


To be fair, I read your original comment exactly the way that Rhino did. I see posts of this nature that are serious, not satire, every damn day from my relatives on Facebook. It has become exceedingly difficult to tell the parody from the derp at this point without some sort of explicit pointer to the fact that the satire is, in fact satire.
 
2014-03-04 07:49:19 AM  
Poland has been moving troops to its eastern border.

Third times the charm right Poland?
 
2014-03-04 07:51:43 AM  

Elegy: Poland has been moving troops to its eastern border.

Third times the charm right Poland?


It would be fun to see all the old Soviet States get together and smite the Russians over this.

As long as we stay out of it.....
 
2014-03-04 07:51:48 AM  
Listen, people, why are you talking about Obama in every damn thread about Ukraine there is? Even in the frame of "what other leaders may or should or shouldn't do" European leaders and their activities are much more important than American leaders.

For example, Tomasz Siemoniak (Polish defense minister) declared that Polish troops are not mobilized and no plans to change, in any way, usual routine are made. What does it mean? Does Poland not want to protect their Western Ukrainian brothers from Russian tanks? Did Moscow bribe Tomasz Siemoniak? Are they simply incompetent and don't see the danger Russia presents?

I'm just a concerned citizen asking questions!

Well, I'm joking, of course, but really, why discuss Obama in every damn thread?
 
2014-03-04 07:54:26 AM  
Did the cheese eating surrender monkeys do their thing yet? I figured they would have by now.

i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-03-04 07:57:34 AM  

Rhino_man: Animatronik: Dahnkster: Hey, no harm, no foul. I apologize for all my shortcomings in advance.

You should definitely apologize, because this is FARK, where rape jokes are funny but Obama jokes are not, if you're a lefty Farmer.

And we have another Republican talking about rape, completely unprompted.

7:45 AM is a bit early to be drinking.


All they think of is rape, rape, children, black people, terrorists, rape and rape. Oh, and guns. Also Obama is black, did you know?

When they aren`t thinking about rape of people, they like to think about rape of countries, populations, and businesses.
 
2014-03-04 08:00:48 AM  
It`s The Great War all over again, and again. The golden mongol horde has wanted the Ottoman Empire for a while now.

If we gave Russia an easily accessed port to the atlantic that wasn`t frozen solid in winter they would probably be happy with that.
 
2014-03-04 08:00:57 AM  

The Muthaship: It would be fun to see all the old Soviet States get together and smite the Russians over this.

As long as we stay out of it.....


Wait a goddamned minute!

What do you think old Soviet States are??!! Military powerhouse? We are tiny states with miniscule armies, we pay our NATO dues and lick your balls precisely to have some resemblance of protection from Russia, however unlikely it is we'll ever get it if shiat will hit the fan.

You know what are the engagement plans of Latvian army (my country) in case of _any_ conflict with Russia? Delay Russian troops for 3 hours, while everyone who is in his right mind is running towards Polish border from a standing start. I actually have my Emergency Escape Kit and have some offshore accounts with tiny money for the last 20 years, precisely for that occasion.

Oh, and I'm not stopping in Poland. New Zealand is wonderful this time of the year, or so I've read.

Everyone also has a supply of Russian/Soviet flags/ribbons, to wave towards incoming Russian troops, shouting "thanks for saving us from those imperialist pigs, Russian brothers! Hurray!" In case we are not fast enough for that dash to the Polish border.

So don't even think about this!
 
2014-03-04 08:03:34 AM  

dready zim: Rhino_man: Animatronik: Dahnkster: Hey, no harm, no foul. I apologize for all my shortcomings in advance.

You should definitely apologize, because this is FARK, where rape jokes are funny but Obama jokes are not, if you're a lefty Farmer.

And we have another Republican talking about rape, completely unprompted.

7:45 AM is a bit early to be drinking.

All they think of is rape, rape, children, black people, terrorists, rape and rape. Oh, and guns. Also Obama is black, did you know?

When they aren`t thinking about rape of people, they like to think about rape of countries, populations, and businesses.


Nice othering.
 
2014-03-04 08:05:01 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-04 08:13:56 AM  
Once all the Germans were warlike and mean,
But that couldn't happen again.
We taught them a lesson in 1918,
and they haven't bothered us much at all since then.
 
2014-03-04 08:14:41 AM  

Grahor: Listen, people, why are you talking about Obama in every damn thread about Ukraine there is? Even in the frame of "what other leaders may or should or shouldn't do" European leaders and their activities are much more important than American leaders.

For example, Tomasz Siemoniak (Polish defense minister) declared that Polish troops are not mobilized and no plans to change, in any way, usual routine are made. What does it mean? Does Poland not want to protect their Western Ukrainian brothers from Russian tanks? Did Moscow bribe Tomasz Siemoniak? Are they simply incompetent and don't see the danger Russia presents?

I'm just a concerned citizen asking questions!

Well, I'm joking, of course, but really, why discuss Obama in every damn thread?


Since we're talking about Germany, can we bring Palin into this?
 
2014-03-04 08:14:52 AM  
Well, nobody understands the policy of appeasement like Germany. Russia took a chunk of Georgia, why not Ukraine too?
 
2014-03-04 08:19:56 AM  
Merkel looks like potential help. The concern I have is that this asshole will get involved:

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Merkel's predecessor, Gerhard Schroeder, which is a Russian lackey if you've ever seen one.
 
2014-03-04 08:22:17 AM  

T-Servo: Grahor: Listen, people, why are you talking about Obama in every damn thread about Ukraine there is? Even in the frame of "what other leaders may or should or shouldn't do" European leaders and their activities are much more important than American leaders.

For example, Tomasz Siemoniak (Polish defense minister) declared that Polish troops are not mobilized and no plans to change, in any way, usual routine are made. What does it mean? Does Poland not want to protect their Western Ukrainian brothers from Russian tanks? Did Moscow bribe Tomasz Siemoniak? Are they simply incompetent and don't see the danger Russia presents?

I'm just a concerned citizen asking questions!

Well, I'm joking, of course, but really, why discuss Obama in every damn thread?

Since we're talking about Germany, can we bring Palin into this?


deborahjones.theworldrace.org
 
2014-03-04 08:27:18 AM  

Albinoman: Well, nobody understands the policy of appeasement like Germany. Russia took a chunk of Georgia, why not Ukraine too?


The thing is, the policy of appeasement works.

Even if we'll look at it in worst possible light for Russia. It took Russia 6 years to swallow tiny, insignificant piece of Georgia. Now it's a tiny, insignificant piece of Ukraine - believe me, Kiev will not miss Crimea. Then we'll have all those shiatholes around Russia they can bite pieces off: Kazachstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgizstan. Then it'll be a piece of Bielorussia and Moldavia. Then they'll probably get stuck in Finland.

That's 46 years of Russia biting. Much may happen in 46 years. Putin may die. 2 generations may change, and with them the worldview may change. Finally, a replacement for oil may be found.

So, what's your problem?
 
2014-03-04 08:27:20 AM  

Grahor: Listen, people, why are you talking about Obama in every damn thread about Ukraine there is? Even in the frame of "what other leaders may or should or shouldn't do" European leaders and their activities are much more important than American leaders.

For example, Tomasz Siemoniak (Polish defense minister) declared that Polish troops are not mobilized and no plans to change, in any way, usual routine are made. What does it mean? Does Poland not want to protect their Western Ukrainian brothers from Russian tanks? Did Moscow bribe Tomasz Siemoniak? Are they simply incompetent and don't see the danger Russia presents?

I'm just a concerned citizen asking questions!

Well, I'm joking, of course, but really, why discuss Obama in every damn thread?


Because the GOP is obsessive, have to distract from the epic fails on anti-gay legislation and the ACA, and the only thing that matters is the midterms.  Also known as, Did Benghazi Escher matter, either?
 
2014-03-04 08:27:42 AM  

hinten: Gerhard Schroeder


Funny you should mention him- this just came off the wires.
 
2014-03-04 08:28:48 AM  

vygramul: TheVeryDeadIanMartin: Wasn't Ukraine the easy bit for them?

In '41. It got substantially less easy for all involved after that.


In fact, March of '41. This is all happening on the 73rd anniversary of Crimea being overrun by Nazi Germany.
 
2014-03-04 08:29:52 AM  

vygramul: TheVeryDeadIanMartin: Wasn't Ukraine the easy bit for them?

In '41. It got substantially less easy for all involved after that.



Only because the Soviet troops weren't prepared for a German attack and in some cases were still in camp when the invasion began. The Germans lost a lot of valuable time in the Ukraine dealing with hold-out Soviet troops, especially around Kiev where they surrounded over half a million soldiers. The Ukraine did provide Germany more anti-Communist troops to fight against the Soviets than any other occupied territory, though, and would have provided more had the Nazis treated them better. The Soviets didn't forget that when they reoccupied the area in 1944, either.
 
2014-03-04 08:30:06 AM  
Sure... Germany and pretty much the rest of Europe haven't come out too strongly against Russia on this thing. They've coned men the invasion but they aren't even talking up the level of sanctions that America has because they are worried about energy imports from Russia. But don't those gas imports move through a pipe that goes by Ukraine? If the uncertainty of having their energy cut off by Russia is making it hard for them to do the right thing, maybe Ukraine can help by destroying the gas line. That way Russia can't play the energy card since it would have been played already.
 
2014-03-04 08:32:40 AM  

cgraves67: vygramul: TheVeryDeadIanMartin: Wasn't Ukraine the easy bit for them?

In '41. It got substantially less easy for all involved after that.

In fact, March of '41. This is all happening on the 73rd anniversary of Crimea being overrun by Nazi Germany.



I think you mean 1942; the Germans didn't invade the Soviet Union at all until June of 1941.
 
2014-03-04 08:36:54 AM  

kbronsito: But don't those gas imports move through a pipe that goes by Ukraine? If the uncertainty of having their energy cut off by Russia is making it hard for them to do the right thing, maybe Ukraine can help by destroying the gas line. That way Russia can't play the energy card since it would have been played already.


Sometimes I wonder if I'm reading the right thing. You actually offer Ukraine to strike at the whole Europe, to cause it untold financial, economic and political suffering exactly when Ukraine asks Europe for money and political support, based only on Europe's goodwill towards Ukraine?
 
2014-03-04 08:40:49 AM  

Grahor: kbronsito: But don't those gas imports move through a pipe that goes by Ukraine? If the uncertainty of having their energy cut off by Russia is making it hard for them to do the right thing, maybe Ukraine can help by destroying the gas line. That way Russia can't play the energy card since it would have been played already.

Sometimes I wonder if I'm reading the right thing. You actually offer Ukraine to strike at the whole Europe, to cause it untold financial, economic and political suffering exactly when Ukraine asks Europe for money and political support, based only on Europe's goodwill towards Ukraine?


static.tvtropes.org
That would be Ukraine in the red, at the bottom there.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-03-04 08:44:30 AM  

Albinoman: Well, nobody understands the policy of appeasement like Germany. Russia took a chunk of Georgia, why not Ukraine too?


I love how everything involving foreign policy is "appeasement".  How many wars would we have had by not if we fought every time some right winger started talking about "appeasement"?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-03-04 08:46:43 AM  

kbronsito: Sure... Germany and pretty much the rest of Europe haven't come out too strongly against Russia on this thing. They've coned men the invasion but they aren't even talking up the level of sanctions that America has because they are worried about energy imports from Russia. But don't those gas imports move through a pipe that goes by Ukraine? If the uncertainty of having their energy cut off by Russia is making it hard for them to do the right thing, maybe Ukraine can help by destroying the gas line. That way Russia can't play the energy card since it would have been played already.


So, what do you think the right thing is?
 
2014-03-04 08:47:10 AM  

Grahor: The Muthaship: It would be fun to see all the old Soviet States get together and smite the Russians over this.

As long as we stay out of it.....

Wait a goddamned minute!

What do you think old Soviet States are??!! Military powerhouse? We are tiny states with miniscule armies, we pay our NATO dues and lick your balls precisely to have some resemblance of protection from Russia, however unlikely it is we'll ever get it if shiat will hit the fan.

You know what are the engagement plans of Latvian army (my country) in case of _any_ conflict with Russia? Delay Russian troops for 3 hours, while everyone who is in his right mind is running towards Polish border from a standing start. I actually have my Emergency Escape Kit and have some offshore accounts with tiny money for the last 20 years, precisely for that occasion.

Oh, and I'm not stopping in Poland. New Zealand is wonderful this time of the year, or so I've read.

Everyone also has a supply of Russian/Soviet flags/ribbons, to wave towards incoming Russian troops, shouting "thanks for saving us from those imperialist pigs, Russian brothers! Hurray!" In case we are not fast enough for that dash to the Polish border.

So don't even think about this!


I... That actually is an all the way thought out cunning plan.
 
2014-03-04 08:52:30 AM  

Grahor: kbronsito: But don't those gas imports move through a pipe that goes by Ukraine? If the uncertainty of having their energy cut off by Russia is making it hard for them to do the right thing, maybe Ukraine can help by destroying the gas line. That way Russia can't play the energy card since it would have been played already.

Sometimes I wonder if I'm reading the right thing. You actually offer Ukraine to strike at the whole Europe, to cause it untold financial, economic and political suffering exactly when Ukraine asks Europe for money and political support, based only on Europe's goodwill towards Ukraine?


This is fark, where anyone with a keyboard can post an idea, good or bad.
 
2014-03-04 08:55:23 AM  

Bendal: vygramul: TheVeryDeadIanMartin: Wasn't Ukraine the easy bit for them?

In '41. It got substantially less easy for all involved after that.


Only because the Soviet troops weren't prepared for a German attack and in some cases were still in camp when the invasion began. The Germans lost a lot of valuable time in the Ukraine dealing with hold-out Soviet troops, especially around Kiev where they surrounded over half a million soldiers. The Ukraine did provide Germany more anti-Communist troops to fight against the Soviets than any other occupied territory, though, and would have provided more had the Nazis treated them better. The Soviets didn't forget that when they reoccupied the area in 1944, either.


The officer purges didn't help...
 
2014-03-04 08:58:54 AM  

vpb: kbronsito: Sure... Germany and pretty much the rest of Europe haven't come out too strongly against Russia on this thing. They've coned men the invasion but they aren't even talking up the level of sanctions that America has because they are worried about energy imports from Russia. But don't those gas imports move through a pipe that goes by Ukraine? If the uncertainty of having their energy cut off by Russia is making it hard for them to do the right thing, maybe Ukraine can help by destroying the gas line. That way Russia can't play the energy card since it would have been played already.

So, what do you think the right thing is?


Either Europe uses real economic sanctions against Russia or it gets no gas. If they are afraid that Russia will cut off the supply if they use sanctions, they could be interested to know that Ukraine can cut it off if they don't use sanctions. It's a bit of unorthodox... But Ukraine gave up its large nuclear stockpile (bigger than France and UK) combined) in exchange for having its borders guaranteed. Guaranteeing that they will blow up all the gas lines heading into Europe as part of a conflict with Russia could remind them of their responsibilities.
 
2014-03-04 09:06:40 AM  
I'm very interested in the fact that the Ukrainian military hasn't given up their bases. Russia does not have full control of Crimea until they do, and they are showing little sign of giving in to the ultimatums that have turned out to be mere bluffing.

A wise man once said, "Never mess with Mother Nature, mother-in-laws, or motherf*cking Ukrainians." Putin may very well have bitten off more than he can chew.
 
2014-03-04 09:09:40 AM  
Meanwhile, Poland is standing to the side saying, 'Don't mind us.'
 
2014-03-04 09:17:18 AM  

T-Servo: hinten: Gerhard Schroeder

Funny you should mention him- this just came off the wires.


He was already on the board of Gazprom right after he left his chancellorship. Here is what a US Representative had to say about his move back then:

"I referred to him as a political prostitute, now that he's taking big checks from (Russian President Vladimir) Putin. But the sex workers in my district objected, so I will no longer use that phrase," Lantos said.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-06-13-2870151492 _x .htm
 
2014-03-04 09:24:13 AM  

vpb: Albinoman: Well, nobody understands the policy of appeasement like Germany. Russia took a chunk of Georgia, why not Ukraine too?

I love how everything involving foreign policy is "appeasement".  How many wars would we have had by not if we fought every time some right winger started talking about "appeasement"?


Even if they did have a clue what they're talking about....

Chris: I want to do a little history check on you---what did Neville Chamberlain do wrong in 1939? What did he do wrong?
Kevin: It all goes back to appeasement. It's the key term.
Chris: No, what did he do, tell me what he did?
Kevin: It's the key term.
Chris: You have to answer this question. What did he do?
Kevin: It's the same thing, it puts it all...
Chris: Well tell me what he did?
Kevin: It's appeasement.
Chris: What did Chamberlain do wrong..
Kevin: His actions, his actions enabled, energized, legitimized
Chris: What did Chamberlain do?
Kevin: It's the exact same thing.
Chris: No stop, Kevin. I'm not going to continue with this interview unless you answer what that thing is. What did Chamberlain do in '39, tell me? '38?
Kevin: Chris, it's the exact same thing alright?
Chris: What did he do? <Yelling> What did he do!
Kevin: '38, '39 Chris what year do you want?
Chris: What did he do?
I want you to answer, what did Chamberlain?
He's talking, He's talking about appeasement.
Chris: What did Chamberlain do, just tell me what he did, Kevin? What did Chamberlain do that you didn't like?
Kevin: What, what Chamberlain did? <confused> What, what, the President was talking about, you just said the President was talking about Barack. Look...
Chris: You're making a reference to the days before our involvement in WWII. When the war in Europe began. I want you to tell me as an expert, what did Chamberlain do wrong.
Kevin: You're not going to box me in here, Chris. President Bush was making that. I'm glad, I'm glad.
Chris: You don't know, do you? You don't know what Neville Chamberlain did
Kevin: Yeah, he was an appeaser, Chris....
Chris: You are BS'ing me... You don't know what you're talking about.

http://crooksandliars.com/2008/05/15/matthews-rips-right-wing-talkie -k evin-james-because-he-doesnt-know-neville-chamberlain
 
2014-03-04 09:26:44 AM  

rnatalie: Once all the Germans were warlike and mean,
But that couldn't happen again.
We taught them a lesson in 1918,
and they haven't bothered us much at all since then.


The funny part though is that the song criticizes the US more so than the European countries.
 
2014-03-04 09:27:35 AM  

lack of warmth: Meanwhile, Poland is standing to the side saying, 'Don't mind us.'


Nope.  Poland seems to be doing everything they can to get people involved.
 
2014-03-04 09:35:56 AM  
Doesn't matter, Russian financial markets have already tanked more than 100B, their central bank is struggling to keep their currency from collapsing as foreign investors bail on it, and polling indicates that barely 1/4 of Russians support going into the Ukraine. Putin dun goofed, the consequences will never be the same.
 
2014-03-04 09:43:47 AM  

hinten: rnatalie: Once all the Germans were warlike and mean,
But that couldn't happen again.
We taught them a lesson in 1918,
and they haven't bothered us much at all since then.

The funny part though is that the song criticizes the US more so than the European countries.


I say a bygone should be a bygone,
Let's make peace the way we did in Stanleyville and Saigon.

/any excuse to quote Lehrer
 
2014-03-04 10:31:38 AM  

Ilmarinen: vpb: Albinoman: Well, nobody understands the policy of appeasement like Germany. Russia took a chunk of Georgia, why not Ukraine too?

I love how everything involving foreign policy is "appeasement".  How many wars would we have had by not if we fought every time some right winger started talking about "appeasement"?

Even if they did have a clue what they're talking about....

Chris: I want to do a little history check on you---what did Neville Chamberlain do wrong in 1939? What did he do wrong?
Kevin: It all goes back to appeasement. It's the key term.
Chris: No, what did he do, tell me what he did?
Kevin: It's the key term.
Chris: You have to answer this question. What did he do?
Kevin: It's the same thing, it puts it all...
Chris: Well tell me what he did?
Kevin: It's appeasement.
Chris: What did Chamberlain do wrong..
Kevin: His actions, his actions enabled, energized, legitimized
Chris: What did Chamberlain do?
Kevin: It's the exact same thing.
Chris: No stop, Kevin. I'm not going to continue with this interview unless you answer what that thing is. What did Chamberlain do in '39, tell me? '38?
Kevin: Chris, it's the exact same thing alright?
Chris: What did he do? <Yelling> What did he do!
Kevin: '38, '39 Chris what year do you want?
Chris: What did he do?
I want you to answer, what did Chamberlain?
He's talking, He's talking about appeasement.
Chris: What did Chamberlain do, just tell me what he did, Kevin? What did Chamberlain do that you didn't like?
Kevin: What, what Chamberlain did? <confused> What, what, the President was talking about, you just said the President was talking about Barack. Look...
Chris: You're making a reference to the days before our involvement in WWII. When the war in Europe began. I want you to tell me as an expert, what did Chamberlain do wrong.
Kevin: You're not going to box me in here, Chris. President Bush was making that. I'm glad, I'm glad.
Chris: You don't know, do you? You don't know what Neville Chamberlain did ...


You know, those are moments reporters live for: exposing farking frauds.

And that's what kills me. How hard would it be for the GOP to fire someone with even a hint of knowing what they're talking about? Not that the Democrats are immune to this bullshiat. Politics being politics, it sure as hell has a lot more to do with who you know than what you know. But seriously - shouldn't there at least be a farking MINIMUM?
 
2014-03-04 11:12:21 AM  

Grahor: Albinoman: Well, nobody understands the policy of appeasement like Germany. Russia took a chunk of Georgia, why not Ukraine too?

The thing is, the policy of appeasement works.

Even if we'll look at it in worst possible light for Russia. It took Russia 6 years to swallow tiny, insignificant piece of Georgia. Now it's a tiny, insignificant piece of Ukraine - believe me, Kiev will not miss Crimea. Then we'll have all those shiatholes around Russia they can bite pieces off: Kazachstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgizstan. Then it'll be a piece of Bielorussia and Moldavia. Then they'll probably get stuck in Finland.

That's 46 years of Russia biting. Much may happen in 46 years. Putin may die. 2 generations may change, and with them the worldview may change. Finally, a replacement for oil may be found.

So, what's your problem?


They already took a piece of Moldova (Transnistria) in '92.  Related to your earlier post, Moldova's tiny military is mobilizing.
 
2014-03-04 11:23:08 AM  
The Germans were doing pretty well until Hitler decided to order them to fight General Winter.

Had Hitler stayed out of WWII and let his Generals manage things, the world might look quite differently today. Luckily for us, we had a micromanaging egotistical moron in charge of Nazi Germany.
 
2014-03-04 11:25:03 AM  

northguineahills: They already took a piece of Moldova (Transnistria) in '92.  Related to your earlier post, Moldova's tiny military is mobilizing.


Interesting. But unsurprising. When Lithuania sent its contingent to Afghanistan, Ukraine supported the deployment with a platoon of medical personnel. Lithuania banned entry for Yanukovych and other members of the rogue government. And don't think Putin hasn't noticed. Putin has already accused Lithuania and Poland of training fighters in Kiev.

This could get very messy.
 
2014-03-04 11:50:23 AM  

hardinparamedic: The Germans were doing pretty well until Hitler decided to order them to fight General Winter.

Had Hitler stayed out of WWII and let his Generals manage things, the world might look quite differently today. Luckily for us, we had a micromanaging egotistical moron in charge of Nazi Germany.


Shirer says that Hitler's aggression saved the German army early on, and so really, his doucheyness both enabled and brought to a quick end NAZI Germany.
 
2014-03-04 12:10:08 PM  

vygramul: Shirer says that Hitler's aggression saved the German army early on, and so really, his doucheyness both enabled and brought to a quick end NAZI Germany


I'm early in the book "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich", but it among others postulates that had Chamberlain and the rest of Europe not appeased Germany and dealt with their shiat in a joint fashion prior to the invasion of France and Poland, that Nazi Germany never would have had the chance to do their shenanigans in the first place, as the German army at that time was too weak despite it's technological advantages.
 
2014-03-04 12:26:56 PM  

hardinparamedic: vygramul: Shirer says that Hitler's aggression saved the German army early on, and so really, his doucheyness both enabled and brought to a quick end NAZI Germany

I'm early in the book "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich", but it among others postulates that had Chamberlain and the rest of Europe not appeased Germany and dealt with their shiat in a joint fashion prior to the invasion of France and Poland, that Nazi Germany never would have had the chance to do their shenanigans in the first place, as the German army at that time was too weak despite it's technological advantages.


Oh, to be sure. But keep reading. That's exactly where I read the analysis regarding Hitler's trumping his generals actually turned out well for him in the beginning.
 
2014-03-04 12:40:55 PM  

hardinparamedic: vygramul: Shirer says that Hitler's aggression saved the German army early on, and so really, his doucheyness both enabled and brought to a quick end NAZI Germany

I'm early in the book "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich", but it among others postulates that had Chamberlain and the rest of Europe not appeased Germany and dealt with their shiat in a joint fashion prior to the invasion of France and Poland, that Nazi Germany never would have had the chance to do their shenanigans in the first place, as the German army at that time was too weak despite it's technological advantages.


According to a series called "Hitler's Bodyguard," which uses more recent scholarship than Shirer had access to, if Chamberlain had stood up to Hitler at Munich, Hitler would have been deposed and shot by the Wehrmacht high command, rather than unilaterally attack Czechoslovakia. The Krauts probably would have failed miserably if they had tried to attack the Czechs; the Wehrmacht was far less capable in 1938 than two years later, and the Sudetenland fortresses were a very different problem than the open plains of Poland. And the Czech army, while small, was extremely well equipped; the Germans used Czech tanks for years after that.

BUT, no Hitler means no wartime crash research, no computers, no space race, no Internet. And we'd all have died from being overrun by kittens by now.
 
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2014-03-04 01:26:52 PM  

hardinparamedic: The Germans were doing pretty well until Hitler decided to order them to fight General Winter.

Had Hitler stayed out of WWII and let his Generals manage things, the world might look quite differently today. Luckily for us, we had a micromanaging egotistical moron in charge of Nazi Germany.


Yep, but there are lot of what-if's.  What if Hitler hadn't allied with Mussolini, and then had to delay Barbarossa for six weeks to help Italy conquer Yugoslavia (because Italy couldn't do it by themselves).  That's six more weeks of campaigning weather the Germans would have had.

What if Goering didn't keep changing his mind about the goals of the Battle of Britain.  The Luftwaffe came very close to knocking the UK out of the war, which would have allowed Germany to focus on the USSR.

Yeah, Germany lost, but everybody seems to forget just how farking close they came to winning, and they were essentially fighting the whole world.
 
2014-03-04 01:34:11 PM  

mbillips: hardinparamedic: vygramul: Shirer says that Hitler's aggression saved the German army early on, and so really, his doucheyness both enabled and brought to a quick end NAZI Germany

I'm early in the book "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich", but it among others postulates that had Chamberlain and the rest of Europe not appeased Germany and dealt with their shiat in a joint fashion prior to the invasion of France and Poland, that Nazi Germany never would have had the chance to do their shenanigans in the first place, as the German army at that time was too weak despite it's technological advantages.

According to a series called "Hitler's Bodyguard," which uses more recent scholarship than Shirer had access to, if Chamberlain had stood up to Hitler at Munich, Hitler would have been deposed and shot by the Wehrmacht high command, rather than unilaterally attack Czechoslovakia. The Krauts probably would have failed miserably if they had tried to attack the Czechs; the Wehrmacht was far less capable in 1938 than two years later, and the Sudetenland fortresses were a very different problem than the open plains of Poland. And the Czech army, while small, was extremely well equipped; the Germans used Czech tanks for years after that.

BUT, no Hitler means no wartime crash research, no computers, no space race, no Internet. And we'd all have died from being overrun by kittens by now.


Shirer actually says an attack on the Czechs would have been an unmitigated disaster for the Germans, who had no idea how well fortified the area was.

But beyond that, your assumptions are probably not all that Valid, as Stalin still wanted Eastern Europe, and that might have been the cause celebre rather than an afterthought for a war-exhausted world. (And then there's Japan.)
 
2014-03-04 04:22:07 PM  
Well good, we might Finally get a Solution to this issue...
 
2014-03-04 09:23:06 PM  

Bendal: cgraves67: vygramul: TheVeryDeadIanMartin: Wasn't Ukraine the easy bit for them?

In '41. It got substantially less easy for all involved after that.

In fact, March of '41. This is all happening on the 73rd anniversary of Crimea being overrun by Nazi Germany.


I think you mean 1942; the Germans didn't invade the Soviet Union at all until June of 1941.


1941 or 1942, whatever! You're missing the main point, the Nazis were bad. You know how they're always saying that history shouldn't be about memorizing dates, it should be about the grand ideas and what the common people were doing.  This is how we end up with high school graduates who can't tell you what century the Civil War took place, but, they know the slaves were freed, somewhere before or after it.  Anyway, they think it occurred after WWI and the Nazis were in that one, too.
 
2014-03-04 09:51:06 PM  

Elegy: Poland has been moving troops to its eastern border.

Third times the charm right Poland?


If this is true i'd wager its to prevent Putin from trying  to push into Poland in the event he takes all of the Ukraine.

That said if the US puts boots on the ground i'd not be surprised if the Poles joined the coalition they have been spoiling for pay back on Russia  since 1939 when they got stabbed in the back by them, and again when Stalin ordered his troops not to rush to Warsaw so the Nazis could crush the uprising so he would not have to deal with it.
 
2014-03-04 10:37:58 PM  

grimlock1972: Elegy: Poland has been moving troops to its eastern border.

Third times the charm right Poland?

If this is true i'd wager its to prevent Putin from trying  to push into Poland in the event he takes all of the Ukraine.

That said if the US puts boots on the ground i'd not be surprised if the Poles joined the coalition they have been spoiling for pay back on Russia  since 1939 when they got stabbed in the back by them, and again when Stalin ordered his troops not to rush to Warsaw so the Nazis could crush the uprising so he would not have to deal with it.


http://charter97.org/en/news/2014/3/3/88979/
 
2014-03-04 10:44:02 PM  

vygramul: grimlock1972: Elegy: Poland has been moving troops to its eastern border.

Third times the charm right Poland?

If this is true i'd wager its to prevent Putin from trying  to push into Poland in the event he takes all of the Ukraine.

That said if the US puts boots on the ground i'd not be surprised if the Poles joined the coalition they have been spoiling for pay back on Russia  since 1939 when they got stabbed in the back by them, and again when Stalin ordered his troops not to rush to Warsaw so the Nazis could crush the uprising so he would not have to deal with it.

http://charter97.org/en/news/2014/3/3/88979/


Okay do not blame the poles at all.
 
2014-03-05 08:57:27 AM  

vpb: Albinoman: Well, nobody understands the policy of appeasement like Germany. Russia took a chunk of Georgia, why not Ukraine too?

I love how everything involving foreign policy is "appeasement".  How many wars would we have had by not if we fought every time some right winger started talking about "appeasement"?


Well I love how I used a word used historically to describe something that mirrors what Germany did in the 30's and suddenly I'm some warmongering right winger! I didn't even know current politicians are using it. To me it's when a country annexes their neighbor (or at least a piece of it) and other countries just decide it's not worth fighting over.

Here you go: Wikipedia article on Appeasement so you know when to flip out and when not to.
 
2014-03-05 04:14:40 PM  
/any excuse to quote Lehrer

At least someone gets it.   Political satire became obsolete when Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
 
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