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2014-03-03 11:54:19 PM
Man of Steel was kind of a mess.  I don't have high hopes for this new one.
 
2014-03-04 12:54:28 AM
This film is going to be the bestest film ever.

You can tell it will be the best best when the guy making the movie says "Yeah, you all love Superman and Batman, so I'm going to use those names but throw out everything else."
 
2014-03-04 02:01:14 AM

unlikely: This film is going to be the bestest film ever.

You can tell it will be the best best when the guy making the movie says "Yeah, you all love Superman and Batman, so I'm going to use those names but throw out everything else."


I don't think that is what he means by that.  It's going to be Batman and Superman, but it's not going to be Dark Knight Returns... It's not going to be Donner/Nolan versions of the character.  It's going to be his own story and not tied to anything in particular.

Klippoklondike: Man of Steel was kind of a mess.  I don't have high hopes for this new one.


I have to say,  I enoyed it.  It was a fresh take on the character that wasn't of the same old bullshiat.  And it was a more serious take on superhero fare.
 
2014-03-04 02:07:21 AM
www.mightyfez.com
 
2014-03-04 02:10:34 AM
You mean it'll be heavy on homoerotic undertones?
 
2014-03-04 02:10:50 AM

Darth_Lukecash: I have to say, I enoyed it. It was a fresh take on the character that wasn't of the same old bullshiat. And it was a more serious take on superhero fare.


Ditto.

Plus, Amy Adams is so much hotter than Margot Kidder.
 
2014-03-04 02:16:44 AM
jcbaggee.files.wordpress.com

DO IT FOR THE LULZ!
 
2014-03-04 02:21:17 AM
I'll watch as long as it has none of the following tired villains:
Joker
Bane
Freeze
Penguin
Poison Ivy
Catwoman

Rudy would be farking awesome, or Clayface. Can't do Killer Croc because Spiderman stole him. The best would be that story line where the old Robin comes back from the dead to try to take down Gotham and Batman, but they'll have to do it without Ra's al Ghul, who sucks in movies.
 
2014-03-04 02:23:56 AM

HotWingAgenda: Rudy would be farking awesome, or Clayface. Can't do Killer Croc because Spiderman stole him. The best would be that story line where the old Robin comes back from the dead to try to take down Gotham and Batman, but they'll have to do it without Ra's al Ghul, who sucks in movies.


I still want to see Hush in a Batman movie. If they would've set up for it, he would've been fantastic as a villain in the Nolan movies.
 
2014-03-04 02:24:03 AM
If you're doing DC without mythology you're doing it wrong.

Marvel heroes are messed-up humans with super powers.

DC heroes are a pantheon of gods.
 
2014-03-04 02:38:13 AM

The_Sponge: Darth_Lukecash: I have to say, I enoyed it. It was a fresh take on the character that wasn't of the same old bullshiat. And it was a more serious take on superhero fare.

Ditto.

Plus, Amy Adams is so much hotter than Margot Kidder.


Add me to the crowd who enjoyed the hell out of Man of Steel. As far as Bats vs Supes goes, I'm usually not one to criticize a movie that nobody's seen, much less one that is still in the earliest stages of production.
 
2014-03-04 02:38:31 AM
So, its going to be a remake of Over the Top?
 
2014-03-04 02:38:59 AM

Mad_Radhu: [jcbaggee.files.wordpress.com image 850x1285]

DO IT FOR THE LULZ!


I sat there looking and reading that page for the longest time before I realized why it looked like Batsy and Robin (and the entire room at that) looked like they were all were showing jaundice...

/seriously though, how does one do a story of a character that's not "as tied" to the mythology while staying true to the character itself?
//Batsy turns out to be poor as fark window washer and Supes a illegal alien janitor?
///heh, 'illegal alien' Superman...
 
2014-03-04 02:40:30 AM
superman and batman are going to be the fantasy alter egos of two young men (who do not know each other, yet). they each get lost in their delusions, slowly losing touch with the world around them, until they are committed - into the same room. they each tell stories of heroic sacrifice interspliced with how the events appeared in reality, where their family or friends were marginalized or irreparably harmed by the fantasy. they have grand adventures in their minds, talking after lights out, but are separated when doctor luther prescribes a stronger medicine regimen for 'superman', making the visions fade into the background. as the one man tries to recover, the other keeps trying to drag him down leading to a physical altercation. the 'superman' leaves, finally seeing the sun with a clear head for the first time, and reunites with his family. he moves on, gets a job, and takes up sci-fi short story writing as a creative output for the tremors in the back of his mind. however, the 'batman' falls deeper into darkness and silence, and spends the rest of his short life brooding at the windows and fighting for the memory of his fallen brother before passing in his sleep

also one of the nurses has big hooters and is has a 'H. Lee Quinn" nametag
 
2014-03-04 02:47:59 AM

Aeonite: If you're doing DC without mythology you're doing it wrong.

Marvel heroes are messed-up humans with super powers.

DC heroes are a pantheon of gods.


In most mythologies, the gods are messed-up humans with super powers, so I'm not sure where you're going with this.

/I'd go into more detail, but I'm scheduled to make love to my neighbor's wife while disguised as a swan in 26 minutes...
 
2014-03-04 02:51:52 AM
If you say you're going to "explode the Batman-Superman universes" you're just BEGGING for a Director's Guild lawsuit from Michael Bay.
 
2014-03-04 02:53:12 AM
In "Man of Steel," we had to create an origin story

You did? I've seen it told in three comic book panels.
 
2014-03-04 02:54:55 AM

Mad_Radhu: [jcbaggee.files.wordpress.com image 850x1285]

DO IT FOR THE LULZ!


That's a lotta goddamned yellow.
 
2014-03-04 02:55:29 AM
Just make it like in the animated series when the two first met each other and you've got a winner on your hands.
 
2014-03-04 02:56:46 AM

EdgeRunner: Aeonite: If you're doing DC without mythology you're doing it wrong.

Marvel heroes are messed-up humans with super powers.

DC heroes are a pantheon of gods.

In most mythologies, the gods are messed-up humans with super powers, so I'm not sure where you're going with this.

/I'd go into more detail, but I'm scheduled to make love to my neighbor's wife while disguised as a swan in 26 minutes...



Ha! or should I say... Opa!
 
2014-03-04 03:06:18 AM

Iczer: Mad_Radhu: [jcbaggee.files.wordpress.com image 850x1285]

DO IT FOR THE LULZ!

I sat there looking and reading that page for the longest time before I realized why it looked like Batsy and Robin (and the entire room at that) looked like they were all were showing jaundice...

/seriously though, how does one do a story of a character that's not "as tied" to the mythology while staying true to the character itself?
//Batsy turns out to be poor as fark window washer and Supes a illegal alien janitor?
///heh, 'illegal alien' Superman...


Take Nolan's version of Batman. Ras wasn't an ecoterrorist who could come back from the dead multiple times. But a guy who had a patsy who who would be a decoy.

Joker didn't have poison and permanently make up.

And Dark knight rises, combined knight fall with The Dark Knight Returns effectively, but Bruce Wayne being younger.
 
2014-03-04 03:20:09 AM
I had to look things up. I was stuck on Zach from Saved by the Bell.
 
2014-03-04 03:24:22 AM

unlikely: This film is going to be the bestest film ever.

You can tell it will be the best best when the guy making the movie says "Yeah, you all love Superman and Batman, so I'm going to use those names but throw out everything else."


Worked for Star Trek.
 
2014-03-04 03:37:18 AM

Klippoklondike: Man of Steel was kind of a mess.  I don't have high hopes for this new one.


Man of Steel makes perfect sense.

It's even fairly original, I don't think we'd ever had a movie on the origin story of Ultraman before.

I'm curious whether Snyder will go back to main-line DC Earth in the next movie or stay on Earth-3 and follow the formation of the Crime Syndicate of America the rest of the way to completion.

// Yes, I'm being sarcastic.  Admit it, though, that context makes the movie a lot better.
// Save us, Luthor!
 
2014-03-04 03:47:35 AM
Originality through casting? Casting Affleck as a masked vigilante and Eisenberg as a genius billionaire is the antithesis of fresh and exciting.
 
2014-03-04 03:57:12 AM

unlikely: This film is going to be the bestest film ever.

You can tell it will be the best best when the guy making the movie says "Yeah, you all love Superman and Batman, so I'm going to use those names but throw out everything else."


...which means it's not going to be Batman & Superman.

Cue fanboy outrage in 3...2...
 
2014-03-04 03:57:51 AM

wildcardjack: I had to look things up. I was stuck on Zach from Saved by the Bell.


Zack Morris wouldn't overuse slow mo.

/Snyder sucks
 
2014-03-04 04:17:16 AM
Original?  Zach Snyder?  Hahaha yeah ok right
 
2014-03-04 04:19:41 AM
Marvel: "Let's lean as heavily into this mythology as possible and make a billion dollars!"

DC: "Let's be embarrassed that we make comic book movies!"
 
2014-03-04 04:38:43 AM
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2014-03-04 04:39:40 AM
Whose wife did Bruce Timm fark to get completely ignored by these Hollywood studios? The man has created the best DC Universe in animated form that could easily be translated over to live action.
 
2014-03-04 04:57:13 AM

Omahawg:


Nice
 
2014-03-04 05:02:52 AM

Wellon Dowd: You mean it'll be heavy on homoerotic undertones?


That would be pretty unusual for a Snyder film. He seems to have no appreciation whatsoever of the male form.

But seriously, folks. . . He needs to be careful how far he "re-conceives" classic superhero mythos. There's a thin line between updating traditional heroes and turning the whole thing into an "I can do it better." ego-trip. Ask Bryan Singer. . . .

/Looking forward to this film.
//Liked "Man of Steel" quite a bit.
///Thought "The Dark Knight Rises" was a jaw-droppingly overrated piece of sh*t.
 
2014-03-04 05:06:00 AM
Iczer:

/seriously though, how does one do a story of a character that's not "as tied" to the mythology while staying true to the character itself?
//Batsy turns out to be poor as fark window washer and Supes a illegal alien janitor?
///heh, 'illegal alien' Superman...



About 15 years ago, Darren Aronofsky was tied to a Batman movie. Bruce flees the scene of his parents murder and is taken in by a black mechanic called 'Big Al'. Also, he's farking off his rocker nuts. The batmobile is a souped up black Lincoln Continental, with I think it was a modded school-bus engine. Anyhow, he trains with ghetto-ass equipment. Starts fighting low level crime. Initally dubbed the 'Bat-Man' because he punches mooks while wearing his fathers 'TW" ring, with the impression somehow looking like a bat. Gordon's in it, kinda of similar to Batman Begins. Selina Kyle also features, but I forget what she had to do with anything. Ends up knifing out Commissioner Loeb's eye. Reclaims the Wayne fortune with a 'Oh, I was busy at schools all around the world' type of lie.

/it was a farking HORRIBLE script.
//also 'Big Al' talks jive. Or some such black person speak.
 
2014-03-04 05:09:53 AM

markfara: Wellon Dowd: You mean it'll be heavy on homoerotic undertones?

That would be pretty unusual for a Snyder film. He seems to have no appreciation whatsoever of the male form.

But seriously, folks. . . He needs to be careful how far he "re-conceives" classic superhero mythos. There's a thin line between updating traditional heroes and turning the whole thing into an "I can do it better." ego-trip. Ask Bryan Singer. . . .

/Looking forward to this film.
//Liked "Man of Steel" quite a bit.
///Thought "The Dark Knight Rises" was a jaw-droppingly overrated piece of sh*t.


Just about anything is better than Bryan Singer. Dude has lots of issues that he insists on forcing on his audience. He needs to get the fark over his persecution complex.
 
2014-03-04 05:35:48 AM

robohobo: markfara: Wellon Dowd: You mean it'll be heavy on homoerotic undertones?

That would be pretty unusual for a Snyder film. He seems to have no appreciation whatsoever of the male form.

But seriously, folks. . . He needs to be careful how far he "re-conceives" classic superhero mythos. There's a thin line between updating traditional heroes and turning the whole thing into an "I can do it better." ego-trip. Ask Bryan Singer. . . .

/Looking forward to this film.
//Liked "Man of Steel" quite a bit.
///Thought "The Dark Knight Rises" was a jaw-droppingly overrated piece of sh*t.

Just about anything is better than Bryan Singer. Dude has lots of issues that he insists on forcing on his audience. He needs to get the fark over his persecution complex.


To be fair, it does fit well with the X-Men mythos.
 
2014-03-04 05:46:09 AM
If Beppo the Super Monkey ain't in it, I'll be writing a sternly-worded email.
 
2014-03-04 05:50:21 AM

markfara: //Liked "Man of Steel" quite a bit.
///Thought "The Dark Knight Rises" was a jaw-droppingly overrated piece of sh*t.


Really?  That's a very strange pair of opinions since both were horribly written, intentionally "dumb" action movies but on every other grounds you'd judge an action movie (dialogue, choreography, special effects, production values...) TDKR was pretty unarguably, quantitatively superior.

And even if you were trying to compare them on quality of writing, at least TDKR's nonsense was sort of a spread-out "hey wait a minute" thing, Man of Steel had a lot more stuff that you realized was farking retarded plot holes even  before they happened, like the thing with the dog and the tornado or... like, anything John Kent said in the entire movie.  He didn't manage a single sentence of dialogue without violating the internal logic of his own character twice.

I mean... how?  Do you just really love the orange/blue color filters that much more than sepia/brown?  Have a psychological aversion to half-masks?  Hate mumblers?
 
2014-03-04 05:52:02 AM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: robohobo: markfara: Wellon Dowd: You mean it'll be heavy on homoerotic undertones?

That would be pretty unusual for a Snyder film. He seems to have no appreciation whatsoever of the male form.

But seriously, folks. . . He needs to be careful how far he "re-conceives" classic superhero mythos. There's a thin line between updating traditional heroes and turning the whole thing into an "I can do it better." ego-trip. Ask Bryan Singer. . . .

/Looking forward to this film.
//Liked "Man of Steel" quite a bit.
///Thought "The Dark Knight Rises" was a jaw-droppingly overrated piece of sh*t.

Just about anything is better than Bryan Singer. Dude has lots of issues that he insists on forcing on his audience. He needs to get the fark over his persecution complex.

To be fair, it does fit well with the X-Men mythos.


With the X-Men, sure. Even if it is far overblown. Also the the goddamned gimp suits. But then he had to make Superman Returns. And that's where he really farked up.

/dude is hardly persecuted if even half the stories of his private life are true
 
2014-03-04 06:08:06 AM
Wait, an original story? Does he realize how much people hate Sucker Punch?
 
2014-03-04 06:08:34 AM

Wellon Dowd: You mean it'll be heavy on homoerotic undertones?


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2014-03-04 06:11:35 AM
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2014-03-04 06:13:38 AM

Jim_Callahan: markfara: //Liked "Man of Steel" quite a bit.
///Thought "The Dark Knight Rises" was a jaw-droppingly overrated piece of sh*t.

Really?  That's a very strange pair of opinions since both were horribly written, intentionally "dumb" action movies but on every other grounds you'd judge an action movie (dialogue, choreography, special effects, production values...) TDKR was pretty unarguably, quantitatively superior.

And even if you were trying to compare them on quality of writing, at least TDKR's nonsense was sort of a spread-out "hey wait a minute" thing, Man of Steel had a lot more stuff that you realized was farking retarded plot holes even  before they happened, like the thing with the dog and the tornado or... like, anything John Kent said in the entire movie.  He didn't manage a single sentence of dialogue without violating the internal logic of his own character twice.

I mean... how?  Do you just really love the orange/blue color filters that much more than sepia/brown?  Have a psychological aversion to half-masks?  Hate mumblers?


Pa Kent's death was rather drawn out and overwrought, but it was only about 5 minutes of a very good movie.

TDKR.. interesting at first, until you thought back about what you just watched.  A major city held hostage with a nuclear weapon for months?  Really?  Also, I found Bruce Wayne's healing abilities unrealistic.. first with his knee which he strapped up early on, then healing from a broken back in a very primitive prison.
 
2014-03-04 06:21:14 AM

Alphax: Jim_Callahan: markfara: //Liked "Man of Steel" quite a bit.
///Thought "The Dark Knight Rises" was a jaw-droppingly overrated piece of sh*t.

Really?  That's a very strange pair of opinions since both were horribly written, intentionally "dumb" action movies but on every other grounds you'd judge an action movie (dialogue, choreography, special effects, production values...) TDKR was pretty unarguably, quantitatively superior.

And even if you were trying to compare them on quality of writing, at least TDKR's nonsense was sort of a spread-out "hey wait a minute" thing, Man of Steel had a lot more stuff that you realized was farking retarded plot holes even  before they happened, like the thing with the dog and the tornado or... like, anything John Kent said in the entire movie.  He didn't manage a single sentence of dialogue without violating the internal logic of his own character twice.

I mean... how?  Do you just really love the orange/blue color filters that much more than sepia/brown?  Have a psychological aversion to half-masks?  Hate mumblers?

Pa Kent's death was rather drawn out and overwrought, but it was only about 5 minutes of a very good movie.

TDKR.. interesting at first, until you thought back about what you just watched.  A major city held hostage with a nuclear weapon for months?  Really?  Also, I found Bruce Wayne's healing abilities unrealistic.. first with his knee which he strapped up early on, then healing from a broken back in a very primitive prison.


In the story they 'borrowed' from Knightfall, Knightsquest, Knightsend, Bruce's broken back was healed by a, well, psychic healer called Shondra Kinsolving. Taken as a whole, it was a farking fantastic story. Some of the best storytelling to come out of 90's DC.
 
2014-03-04 06:49:45 AM
Yeah, this sounds like a great idea...
 
2014-03-04 06:54:36 AM
God farking dammit. Why? WHY DO WE NEED ANOTHER FARKING REBOOT OF THE SAME FARKING GODDAMNED COMIC BOOK CHARACTERS????

Fark you Hollywood.
 
2014-03-04 07:02:06 AM

EbolaNYC: God farking dammit. Why? WHY DO WE NEED ANOTHER FARKING REBOOT OF THE SAME FARKING GODDAMNED COMIC BOOK CHARACTERS????

Fark you Hollywood.


Because directors are self-important, arrogant twats who feel the need to put their stamp on things, See the New52 for example. fark Jim Lee. fark Dan Didio. fark Eddie Berganza. fark Bob Harris.
 
2014-03-04 07:02:26 AM
Man of steel was crap. A bunch of invincible a$$holes throwing each other through buildings and hitting each other with trucks. Of course there was the obligatory gas station explosion. Then they run away because well, who knows why? Oh and let's make everything explode into a trillion bits with fireballs. Rinse repeat 14 times and there you have 80% of that movie. I forgot to add, it needs to be at least 30 minutes too long.
 
2014-03-04 07:02:56 AM
Zack Snyder to "explode" the Batman and Superman universes


Ew.  I'll get the mop....

I know all they're looking for is a decent profit margin and they'll probably get that n matter how much of a turd this turns into.  But this is seriously not the way to go about it.  Favreau, Branagh, Whedon and the others are/were in charge of of the Marvel movies understood to go back to the source material--a visual storytelling medium with a lot in common with film--and use what worked well there.  If Snyder goes in this direction, this is going to end up an even bigger storytelling mess than Man of Steel was...
 
2014-03-04 07:07:36 AM
Man of Steel took some pretty ugly liberties with the title character. That could be good or bad for the sequel, but ultimately begs the question,"If Superman has no real compunction about murder, then what conflict is there that he couldn't solve on arrival?"
 
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