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2014-03-03 08:53:50 PM

ifarkthereforiam: How many of these self-professed Christian businesses are doing business on the Sabbath?


So Chick-fil-a gets a thumbs up from you.  Great.
 
2014-03-03 08:55:08 PM
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Mr. King, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
 
2014-03-03 08:58:15 PM

trappedspirit: ifarkthereforiam: How many of these self-professed Christian businesses are doing business on the Sabbath?

So Chick-fil-a gets a thumbs up from you.  Great.


Not from me, though: They're open between Friday sunset and Saturday sunset.
Stone 'em.

/No, not really.
//Still won't eat hate chicken.
///It's treif.
 
2014-03-03 09:00:46 PM
Hey Republicans - Want to know why the vast majority of people think you're bigoted homophobes? It's because you speak, act and legislate like bigoted homophobes.
 
2014-03-03 09:13:07 PM

ciberido: doctor wu: "perfect special rights for self-professed behavior."


This is inter-galactic grade derp.

doctor wu, do we have derpsign?

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Only the big tea-baggers travel this deep!
 
2014-03-03 09:16:05 PM

DeaH: King has a point. How could a business know you're gay if you don't tell them? I mean, sure, the requested two grooms at the top of the cake might mean your gay, but if you don't say anything, they won't know! When you order flowers for your wedding, it may be standard practice to include both parties' names for the order, but you could just use initials, and they'd never know. We just need to institute a Don't Ask; Don't Tell policy for gay weddings. It worked so well in the military!


King is going to institute a system of badges that different groups will be required to wear. I'm surprised no one had thought of it before.
 
2014-03-03 09:19:33 PM
Mr. King seems to suggest that being gay is a choice.  Which is great - choice is what makes us human.  We get to determine, ignoring all other factors, our path in life.   That said, what does that choice mean?  I will forego happiness in this life for contentment in the next?

Every thinking person knows this train of thought is complete and utter bullshiat.  A gay person does not choose to be gay.  That's hard work.  They are being who they are and they are worthy of respect or derision because of who they are as people, not who they love.
 
2014-03-03 09:24:01 PM

06Wahoo: So, let's turn this back around.  A gay activist denied service to someone who disagrees with their lifestyle


What does that mean, exactly? "Disagreeing with their lifestyle?"

Does that mean someone who isn't gay? Or someone who believes other people shouldn't be gay?
 
2014-03-03 09:25:27 PM

06Wahoo: Unoriginal_Username: So, these folks are OK with businesses denying services to people because their religion is against gays/Muslims/what ever. Does that mean he would back up a business denying services to certain Christians because they are bigoted assholes?

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/03/03/arizona_fallout_mr_sulu _d oesn_t_like_me_gay_hairdresser_refuses_service_to_nm_gov

Funny, you complain that you think the Right couldn't handle having the tables turned, all while the left is showing their own hypocrisy.

So, let's turn this back around.  A gay activist denied service to someone who disagrees with their lifestyle (and some no doubt take no issue with this).  Does this mean that they would back up a business denying services to gays because of their views?

/Clearly, the answer is obvious.
//And the hypocrisy is galling.
///Quite frankly, I believe that anyone should be able to deny service to anyone else as they see fit.
////But whining about someone else doing it, then doing it yourself, does not serve your cause.
//And I know he is supposed to be "making a point".
//The only point I got is that this activist is a first class douchebag.


It isn't hypocrisy; it's a shiatty example and you know it. The fact that you can't tell the difference between "I don't want to do business w
 
2014-03-03 09:25:28 PM
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2014-03-03 09:26:19 PM

rattchett: Mr. King seems to suggest that being gay is a choice.  Which is great - choice is what makes us human.  We get to determine, ignoring all other factors, our path in life.   That said, what does that choice mean?  I will forego happiness in this life for contentment in the next?

Every thinking person knows this train of thought is complete and utter bullshiat.  A gay person does not choose to be gay.  That's hard work.  They are being who they are and they are worthy of respect or derision because of who they are as people, not who they love.


Yep. Just ask them when they chose to be straight.
 
2014-03-03 09:30:35 PM

Deathfrogg: p51d007: Ok...what if a "gay bar" had a bunch of idiot KKK members, Hell's Angels etc come in there place of
business.  Would be ok if the owner of the bar kicked them out because he doesn't like them?
What's the difference?
Personally, I don't think it is the governments business whom a PRIVATE business does or does
not do business with.

You cannot be a "private business" if you do business with the public.

You can refuse service, but only within certain parameters. Speculations about who diddles their winky isn't a qualifier.


Actually the az law was meaningless. You can ddiscriminate against guys if you want. They are not protected under the Civil rights act
 
2014-03-03 09:36:43 PM

shtychkn: Deathfrogg: p51d007: Ok...what if a "gay bar" had a bunch of idiot KKK members, Hell's Angels etc come in there place of
business.  Would be ok if the owner of the bar kicked them out because he doesn't like them?
What's the difference?
Personally, I don't think it is the governments business whom a PRIVATE business does or does
not do business with.

You cannot be a "private business" if you do business with the public.

You can refuse service, but only within certain parameters. Speculations about who diddles their winky isn't a qualifier.

Actually the az law was meaningless. You can ddiscriminate against guys if you want. They are not protected under the Civil rights act


Not in Tucson and several other jurisdictions. The state law would have overridden those ordinances.

The Republicans in the state legislature keep chipping away at the city's rights and powers under the city charter.
 
2014-03-03 09:39:28 PM

WraithSama: Snark aside, my wife is bi-sexual,


Pics or it didn't happen.
 
2014-03-03 09:40:50 PM

Unobtanium: do the authors actually think this won't backfire in ways they haven't thought all the way through?


Yes. They're counting on the fact that we're not all assholes like they are.
 
2014-03-03 09:42:44 PM
This guy is pretty stupid, are you sure you want him taking an active role in running your country?
 
2014-03-03 09:46:18 PM
Voting against him felt so good but it was like farting in a hurricane when compared to all the Jesus freak votes around here.
 
2014-03-03 10:22:35 PM
What in the chocolate covered f*ck did I just read?

And I've read some pants on head retarded crap fair often here...
 
2014-03-03 10:33:31 PM

06Wahoo: So, let's turn this back around.  A gay activist denied service to someone who disagrees with their lifestyle (and some no doubt take no issue with this).  Does this mean that they would back up a business denying services to gays because of their views?


Being a governor isn't a protected class, for starters.  It's perfectly acceptable to refuse service to someone because you disagree with their political views, especially when they work to pass and enforce laws that directly interfere with your right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
 
2014-03-03 10:50:51 PM

hubiestubert: What in the chocolate covered f*ck


Do you use a choux, filo, or puff pastry for yours?
I've experimented with choux, but it's too eggy.
Filo is just too brittle.
Puff pastry turns into a battered, soggy mess.

Any suggestions?
 
2014-03-03 10:58:13 PM

Circusdog320: Sooooo then...Christianity is a self professed behavior..hey does anyone have a slice of cake!?!


Self professed Christians are likely not Christian at all. Yes I will have some cake.
 
2014-03-03 11:00:40 PM
Jeez. I read less than a paragraph and gave up.

I have no farks left to give about what these idiots have to say anymore
 
2014-03-03 11:08:30 PM

meatofmystery: how do these f*ckheads get jobs outside of shoveling sh*t on a pig farm?


By appealing to people even stupider than they.
 
2014-03-03 11:09:18 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: DeaH: King has a point. How could a business know you're gay if you don't tell them? I mean, sure, the requested two grooms at the top of the cake might mean your gay, but if you don't say anything, they won't know! When you order flowers for your wedding, it may be standard practice to include both parties' names for the order, but you could just use initials, and they'd never know. We just need to institute a Don't Ask; Don't Tell policy for gay weddings. It worked so well in the military!

King is going to institute a system of badges that different groups will be required to wear. I'm surprised no one had thought of it before.


Well, I heard he wants to set aside a special night for gay people to shop for tableware and bar ware, a Crystal Night, if you will.
 
2014-03-03 11:10:16 PM
Oh look, Cantelope Calf King said something else completely and utterly retarded.
 
2014-03-03 11:13:45 PM

meatofmystery: how do these f*ckheads get jobs outside of shoveling sh*t on a pig farm?


img.fark.net
 
2014-03-03 11:18:31 PM

ariseatex: Dammit!  How did he get a hold of the latest addition to the Gay AgendaTM?

We'll just have to go back to demonic possession of girl scout cookies, my Fellow Fabulous Americans.


I now wish being gay was a choice so I could belong.
 
2014-03-03 11:21:33 PM

rattchett: Every thinking person knows this train of thought is complete and utter bullshiat. A gay person does not choose to be gay. That's hard work. They are being who they are and they are worthy of respect or derision because of who they are as people, not who they love.


Being pants-on-head retarded isn't a choice either, so we should cut Rep. King some slack here.
 
2014-03-04 12:11:51 AM
This guy does have something of a point - there are gay people who go out of their way to find things to be outraged about, and who enjoy stirring up trouble to satisfy their narcissism.  There are people of all groups, orientations and associations who act that way, and they are all terrible people.  That isn't enough reason to pass laws allowing for discrimination, though.

One theme in this discussion page is that only stupid people vote for republicans, but I think the reality is that only stupid people don't realize there's almost no difference between the Republican and Democratic parties anymore.  Elections consist of conservative asshole A vs marginally more conservative asshole B.  That isn't much of a choice.
 
2014-03-04 12:12:49 AM

06Wahoo: Unoriginal_Username: So, these folks are OK with businesses denying services to people because their religion is against gays/Muslims/what ever. Does that mean he would back up a business denying services to certain Christians because they are bigoted assholes?

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/03/03/arizona_fallout_mr_sulu _d oesn_t_like_me_gay_hairdresser_refuses_service_to_nm_gov

Funny, you complain that you think the Right couldn't handle having the tables turned, all while the left is showing their own hypocrisy.

So, let's turn this back around.  A gay activist denied service to someone who disagrees with their lifestyle (and some no doubt take no issue with this).  Does this mean that they would back up a business denying services to gays because of their views?

/Clearly, the answer is obvious.
//And the hypocrisy is galling.
///Quite frankly, I believe that anyone should be able to deny service to anyone else as they see fit.
////But whining about someone else doing it, then doing it yourself, does not serve your cause.
//And I know he is supposed to be "making a point".
//The only point I got is that this activist is a first class douchebag.


I'm guessing Rush was just as butthurt about this too:

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2014-03-04 12:47:44 AM

zzrhardy: So, some person could claim to be gay so as to trick someone into treating them the same as everyone else...  wait, what?


Yes, exactly. See, they don't deserve so-called equal protection because they really are the same as everyone else and are already treated equally, except when someone treats them differently because they choose to be different. If people who are already equals get special laws, that means they have something the rest of us do not; therefore, the only way to preserve equality is to preserve our right to discriminate freely. It makes perfect sense.
 
2014-03-04 12:47:50 AM

Unobtanium: I've tried to get my brain around the reasoning for this latest round of legislative twaddle. I will admit to not reading the bills, but do the authors actually think this won't backfire in ways they haven't thought all the way through?

Am I supposed to be able to claim discrimination because a Jewish bakery closes for a week during Passover? Are they supposed to be able to throw me out because I am not Jewish?

How far does this go before they realize, "oopsie?"

Somebody link to the Tom Lehrer song, "National Brotherhood Week."


If I must.
 
2014-03-04 12:49:26 AM

Quasar: King said LGBT individuals are trying to "perfect special rights for self-professed behavior." He added that their rights aren't covered under equal protection because sexual orientation can be "willfully changed" and cannot be "independently verified."

Even ignoring the stupidity of the whole "homosexuality is a choice," I'm curious why he thinks religion qualifies for protection against discrimination and homosexuality does not.


I'm guessing he doesn't.  Think.
 
2014-03-04 12:51:51 AM

zzrhardy: So, some person could claim to be gay so as to trick someone into treating them the same as everyone else...  wait, what?


The gays could trick employees into committing hate crimes instead of ordinary crimes. Employees can randomly shoot patrons and face attempted manslaughter or murder charges. But gay patrons who are shot will dramatically claim it was a hate crime. Banning them from businesses is the only practical solution. Plus, God. Not sure exactly how He fit in there, but He adds some gravitas to an argument.
 
2014-03-04 01:15:47 AM
So what's the difference between Steve King and Stephen King?

One is known to write voluminous amounts of nonsense, at times and in turn horrifying, perverse, revolting, and self-referencing.
The other lives in Maine.

/seriously, this sounds like the plot from Needful Things
//beware the walkin dude
 
2014-03-04 02:54:34 AM

Zeppelininthesky: DrPainMD: Zeppelininthesky: Steve King is a bigot. Plain and simple. If you do not want to extend the same rights given to every other American, you are a bigot. Period.

Unless you want to extend the right to freedom of association to every American. In that case, you're a bigot if you DO want to extend rights to everybody.

Doublethink, how does it work?

Why would gays not get the exact same protections under the law that straight people enjoy?


I should warn you that the "pain" in his handle refers to what happens to your brain when you engage him.
 
2014-03-04 02:55:23 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: FTFA
King said LGBT individuals are trying to "perfect special rights for self-professed behavior."

Like religion?

"And the one thing I referenced when I say 'self-professed,' how do you know who to discriminate against?" he said.

Indeed. Against whom should you discriminate?


WWJD?  Whom Would Jesus Discriminate (against)?
 
2014-03-04 03:06:39 AM

rwhamann: ariseatex: Dammit!  How did he get a hold of the latest addition to the Gay AgendaTM?

We'll just have to go back to demonic possession of girl scout cookies, my Fellow Fabulous Americans.

I now wish being gay was a choice so I could belong.



Hey, thanks for the fabulous TF!
 
2014-03-04 03:24:39 AM

cchris_39: Like the gays need a reason to file a lawsuit.


Here.

images4.wikia.nocookie.net

This might help.
 
2014-03-04 04:00:54 AM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: DeaH: King has a point. How could a business know you're gay if you don't tell them? I mean, sure, the requested two grooms at the top of the cake might mean your gay, but if you don't say anything, they won't know! When you order flowers for your wedding, it may be standard practice to include both parties' names for the order, but you could just use initials, and they'd never know. We just need to institute a Don't Ask; Don't Tell policy for gay weddings. It worked so well in the military!

King is going to institute a system of badges that different groups will be required to wear. I'm surprised no one had thought of it before.


I know!  We should use triangles!  Some groups will get ONE triangle, and other groups can get TWO triangles superimposed on each other!  It'll be great!  We could even make a chart of which group gets what symbol.
 
2014-03-04 07:52:07 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: shtychkn: Deathfrogg: p51d007: Ok...what if a "gay bar" had a bunch of idiot KKK members, Hell's Angels etc come in there place of
business.  Would be ok if the owner of the bar kicked them out because he doesn't like them?
What's the difference?
Personally, I don't think it is the governments business whom a PRIVATE business does or does
not do business with.

You cannot be a "private business" if you do business with the public.

You can refuse service, but only within certain parameters. Speculations about who diddles their winky isn't a qualifier.

Actually the az law was meaningless. You can ddiscriminate against guys if you want. They are not protected under the Civil rights act

Not in Tucson and several other jurisdictions. The state law would have overridden those ordinances.

The Republicans in the state legislature keep chipping away at the city's rights and powers under the city charter.


Of course. Trampling Local rights is ok when we do it.
 
2014-03-04 08:11:14 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: hubiestubert: What in the chocolate covered f*ck

Do you use a choux, filo, or puff pastry for yours?
I've experimented with choux, but it's too eggy.
Filo is just too brittle.
Puff pastry turns into a battered, soggy mess.

Any suggestions?


Don't f*ck pastries, man. Just don't.

Funny story, from another Farker* who is no longer with us. Back in the day, he worked at a local supermarket, and worked with a special person named Dookie. Dookie would disappear every day, about the same time, and the crew could never figure out where he went. So, one day, they decided to follow him when he went on his daily sojourn. In a back storeroom they found him, in an act unclean, with a bavarian filled, and slowly crooning the name "Jennifer" who happened to be a rather attractive cashier. Once the manager spoke, and the unpleasantness of him getting his pants up, the manager asked Dookie how long he'd been engaged in this peculiar habit, and he answered, "Since I got here." And when asked what he did with the pastries afterward, "I put them back..."

Don't get the pastries from the Westfield Stop 'N Shop. Just. Don't.

*Dookie Does Donuts, if you ever get to hear the full poem and song associated with this tale, stay and listen to the whole dang thing. Tim--if you ever get back on to Fark, we miss you, man.
 
2014-03-04 10:40:43 AM

Pattuq: One theme in this discussion page is that only stupid people vote for republicans, but I think the reality is that only stupid people don't realize there's almost no difference between the Republican and Democratic parties anymore. Elections consist of conservative asshole A vs marginally more conservative asshole B. That isn't much of a choice.


I agree.  Stupid people vote for all parties.  However, one party has a lock on electing stupid politicians these days.  Ones who think that they have a constitutional right to violate others' constitutional rights. Or think that in legitimate rape, womens' bodies have ways of shutting that thing down.  Or that killing their citizens by denying them health care is an acceptable price to pay for trying to score points against a president who makes them feel inadequate by being tall, literate, intelligent and compassionate.  Or that ACORN still exists.  Or that we don't need an EPA.  Or that the best way of helping poor people is by letting them starve.
 
2014-03-04 11:00:35 AM

mofa: Pattuq: One theme in this discussion page is that only stupid people vote for republicans, but I think the reality is that only stupid people don't realize there's almost no difference between the Republican and Democratic parties anymore. Elections consist of conservative asshole A vs marginally more conservative asshole B. That isn't much of a choice.

I agree.  Stupid people vote for all parties.  However, one party has a lock on electing stupid politicians these days.  Ones who think that they have a constitutional right to violate others' constitutional rights. Or think that in legitimate rape, womens' bodies have ways of shutting that thing down.  Or that killing their citizens by denying them health care is an acceptable price to pay for trying to score points against a president who makes them feel inadequate by being tall, literate, intelligent and compassionate.  Or that ACORN still exists.  Or that we don't need an EPA.  Or that the best way of helping poor people is by letting them starve.


Indeed. Insane stuff like TFA usually comes from the same side. Other countries have small fringe parties that spout this kind of sewage, in the US it rules half the country.
 
2014-03-04 11:17:58 AM
I want to start a small business with a sign in the window that says "I refuse service to Christians!!"
 
2014-03-04 11:46:55 AM

rattchett: Every thinking person knows this train of thought is complete and utter bullshiat. A gay person does not choose to be gay. That's hard work. They are being who they are and they are worthy of respect or derision because of who they are as people, not who they love.


I am perhaps one of the few people who chose to be gay at some point. Or tried to, anyway, because in the end I couldn't fight my straightness, so it didn't work.

/voting for morans like King, however, is a choice
 
2014-03-04 12:23:07 PM

hubiestubert: demaL-demaL-yeH: hubiestubert: What in the chocolate covered f*ck

Do you use a choux, filo, or puff pastry for yours?
I've experimented with choux, but it's too eggy.
Filo is just too brittle.
Puff pastry turns into a battered, soggy mess.

Any suggestions?

Don't f*ck pastries, man. Just don't.

Funny story, from another Farker* who is no longer with us. Back in the day, he worked at a local supermarket, and worked with a special person named Dookie. Dookie would disappear every day, about the same time, and the crew could never figure out where he went. So, one day, they decided to follow him when he went on his daily sojourn. In a back storeroom they found him, in an act unclean, with a bavarian filled, and slowly crooning the name "Jennifer" who happened to be a rather attractive cashier. Once the manager spoke, and the unpleasantness of him getting his pants up, the manager asked Dookie how long he'd been engaged in this peculiar habit, and he answered, "Since I got here." And when asked what he did with the pastries afterward, "I put them back..."

Don't get the pastries from the Westfield Stop 'N Shop. Just. Don't.

*Dookie Does Donuts, if you ever get to hear the full poem and song associated with this tale, stay and listen to the whole dang thing. Tim--if you ever get back on to Fark, we miss you, man.


Took a while to catch my breath.
1. A chocolate covered fark has to be a pastry. Figured it might be a nickname for one of your specialties.
2. Cooking guys have warped senses of humor. I think it has something to do with the heat, humidity, booze, and noise.
3. That wasn't just a gag in American Pie? I'm floored. Rule 34 in real life is just sick. And funny.
4. That Jenny sure gets around.
5. I bake pastries - used to own a bakery and don't like other people's baking. Now I have another reason to keep on keepin' on.
 
2014-03-04 01:02:22 PM

Hickory-smoked: 06Wahoo: So, let's turn this back around.  A gay activist denied service to someone who disagrees with their lifestyle

What does that mean, exactly? "Disagreeing with their lifestyle?"


I can't hear that particular euphemism without thinking about Arthur Dent... "I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle." Let's just hope all such uses don't spark similar Vl'hurg vs. G'Gugvuntt wars and ultimate revenge seeking...

/Keep some hungry dogs around just in case...

ciberido: WWJD? Whom Would Jesus Discriminate (against)?


Bankers?
 
2014-03-04 01:33:58 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: I drunk what:

There will be no justice until every business refuses every service to everyone for every reason.

/suck it


they are racists bigots because they are afraid of teh ghey
 
2014-03-04 01:45:21 PM
And nobody has even mentioned how shiatty his books are too....
 
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