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2014-03-03 03:51:45 PM  
Right...religious persecution in modern Germany? Sounds legit.

/also they got here in 2008 and Obama didn't take office until 2009
 
2014-03-03 03:56:00 PM  
Just the one, though? Damn...
 
2014-03-03 04:02:30 PM  
they were seeking asylum because they wanted to home school their kids because schools in Germany are "Teaching tolerance to children of all backgrounds helps to develop the ability to interact as a fully functioning citizen in Germany." Oh NOES they couldn't be bigots in their own country so they wanted to come in and do it.

No thanks we're all full up here.
 
2014-03-03 04:03:26 PM  
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2014-03-03 04:04:42 PM  
Actually,,, yes.  Thank you Obama.  Now, can we started deporting American parents that do this same fundamentalist Christian home-schooling bullshiat?
 
2014-03-03 04:08:35 PM  
That story sure was even-handed. No bias at all...
 
2014-03-03 04:10:18 PM  
They don't qualify under the rules of political asylum.  Why didn't they also start trying to go the whole normal immigration route at the same time?
 
2014-03-03 04:10:20 PM  
Knowing nothing more about the case than what I just read in the article...

The family came to the US requesting asylum for religious persecution. The US government says that they were not being discriminated against, since German law forbids all home schooling, not just home schooling for religious needs. Thus they are denying the asylum request.

So in the 5+ years the family has been here and knowing most of that time that they will not be granted the asylum request they did not try and seek any other way of living in this country legally? Instead their best defense is to try and claim they are being discriminated against here in the US because of their choice to home school.

Too bad there will be a lot of people that pick up this story and believe the same thing the author is telling them 'religious discrimination against Christians because Obama'.
 
2014-03-03 04:10:39 PM  
So, it's OK to be here illegally, as long as you are white and Christians.  Got it.
 
2014-03-03 04:15:28 PM  
Sorry, fundies, try next door.
 
2014-03-03 04:18:09 PM  
Send those kids back to Deutschland for re-education. It'll do them good.

And by re-education, I mean deprogramming.
 
2014-03-03 04:23:48 PM  
Obama's aunt has been here for like 13 years.  Obviously it's a conspiracy
 
2014-03-03 04:30:04 PM  
Germans persecuting children by giving them actual educations.  The horror.
 
2014-03-03 04:31:41 PM  
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Ohh Todd Starnes. If you were to spontaneously catch on fire on a sidewalk and I was standing right there, I wouldn't even waste my piss putting you out.

He's gotta have one of the most punchable faces on Fox News, and that's saying a lot.
 
2014-03-03 04:36:21 PM  
global.fncstatic.com

Creepy f*cking family.
 
2014-03-03 04:38:29 PM  

Slives: So in the 5+ years the family has been here and knowing most of that time that they will not be granted the asylum request they did not try and seek any other way of living in this country legally? Instead their best defense is to try and claim they are being discriminated against here in the US because of their choice to home school.


They were granted asylum in 2010, but the current administration appealed the decision.
 
2014-03-03 04:45:21 PM  

Slives: So in the 5+ years the family has been here and knowing most of that time that they will not be granted the asylum request they did not try and seek any other way of living in this country legally? Instead their best defense is to try and claim they are being discriminated against here in the US because of their choice to home school.


Once you've applied for asylum, you cannot "seek any other way of living in this country legally" until your asylum application has been denied. Part of the difficulties involved with applying for asylum is that if you lose, the result is a deportation order. This is to prevent people from essentially spamming the asylum office with bogus claims in order to buy time to file a more legitimate claim.

However, the bigger issue for this family is that there basically  isn't any other way to live in this country legally. America does not have a system where you can just apply to come live here (with the exception of a small number of immigration visas that go to extraordinary or exceptionally talented individuals). A person without a family connection to the United States cannot come live here unless they are either extremely lucky and get a visa through the diversity visa lottery (~1% chance/year), or are coming in on work-sponsored visas. Since this family was already in the United States, they likely had no other option to get an immigrant visa.

That said, I have no sympathy for this family. Inability to homeschool your children is simply  not religious persecution, no matter how you slice it. I'm somewhat shocked that they managed to convince an immigration judge to accept their position, especially considering how immigration judges routinely dismiss meritorious claims from people who have suffered  true persecution (beatings, arrests, etc...).
 
2014-03-03 04:59:41 PM  

minoridiot: Slives: So in the 5+ years the family has been here and knowing most of that time that they will not be granted the asylum request they did not try and seek any other way of living in this country legally? Instead their best defense is to try and claim they are being discriminated against here in the US because of their choice to home school.

They were granted asylum in 2010, but the current administration appealed the decision.


Who was the "current administration" in 2010?
 
2014-03-03 05:14:26 PM  

Rincewind53: That said, I have no sympathy for this family. Inability to homeschool your children is simply not religious persecution, no matter how you slice it.


From what I've heard of the reasoning why they didn't want to homeschool:

But the Romeikes, who are devout Christians, said they wanted their children to learn in a different environment. Mr. Romeike (pronounced ro-MY-kuh), 38, a soft-spoken piano teacher whose young children greet strangers at the front door with a startlingly grown-up politeness, said the unruly behavior of students that was allowed by many teachers had kept his children from learning. The stories in German readers, in which devils, witches and disobedient children are often portrayed as heroes, set bad examples, he said.

"I don't expect the school to teach about the Bible," he said, but "part of education should be character-building."


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/01/us/01homeschool.html?pagewanted=al l& _r=1&;
 
2014-03-03 05:15:01 PM  

RexTalionis: From what I've heard of the reasoning why they didn't want to homeschool:


FTFM
 
2014-03-03 05:15:44 PM  

obenchainr: They don't qualify under the rules of political asylum.  Why didn't they also start trying to go the whole normal immigration route at the same time?


They may not have been allowed to seek other avenues of immigration while simultaneously seeking asylum. Perhaps they should have tried regular immigration first.
 
2014-03-03 05:48:32 PM  

Ambivalence: Perhaps they should have tried regular immigration first.


obenchainr: Why didn't they also start trying to go the whole normal immigration route at the same time?


This is a side issue I tried to address in my original comment. There basically  aren't normal immigration routes to this country for those not coming here for a job or who have family in the United States. The only immigrant visa that is even remotely possible for most people is an employment-based immigration visa, of which only 140,000 are given out each year and the waiting time for most applicants is several years. There is also the Diversity Visa Lottery, which hands out 55,000 immigrant visas a year, for which there are anywhere from 8 million to 12 million applicants. The average chance of winning a DV lottery slot is ~1%. There are also a limited number of visas for "extraordinary" or "exceptional" individuals, which obviously most people cannot apply for (we're talking Stephen Hawking here).

Then there are asylum visas, which are unlimited, because the United States recognizes that to put a cap on the number of people who can come to this country when fleeing persecution in their home country would be to replicate the bad old days before the UN Refugee Convention, when Jews fleeing the Holocaust were turned away by the U.S. because the U.S. had already filled its quota.

Therefore, the only realistic options for someone with no family in the U.S. would be to get an employment-based visa (which would require that you not only have a marketable skill but can convince a company in the United States to wade through the immigration process to hire you), or take your 1% shot once a year for the diversity visa. Oh, and did I mention that the DV visa cuts off all visas to any country that has sent more than 50k immigrants to the U.S. in the past five years? This means that countries as diverse as Canada, Brazil, China, India, Mexico, South Korea, and the UK are simply ineligible for the DV program.

Bottom line is that unless you have family legally living in the United States  it is almost impossible to immigrate here.
 
2014-03-03 05:51:22 PM  
Rincewind53:I'm somewhat shocked that they managed to convince an immigration judge to accept their position, especially considering how immigration judges routinely dismiss meritorious claims from people who have suffered  true persecution (beatings, arrests, etc...).

Did you notice that these poor refugees were white?
 
2014-03-03 05:53:03 PM  

Theaetetus: Rincewind53:I'm somewhat shocked that they managed to convince an immigration judge to accept their position, especially considering how immigration judges routinely dismiss meritorious claims from people who have suffered  true persecution (beatings, arrests, etc...).

Did you notice that these poor refugees were white?


Yeaaaah, I know. Judge probably just felt sorry for them.
 
2014-03-03 05:54:56 PM  

Rincewind53: Bottom line is that unless you have family legally living in the United States it is almost impossible to immigrate here.


I am a US Citizen and so are my parents. We are legally living here and we've looked into applying to bring some of my relatives over from China. The wait for them to immigrate would be somewhere around 14 years, as I recall.

So even if you have family living in the US, it still ain't easy.

These guys get no sympathy from me. They were exploiting the asylum laws of this country to jump ahead of the line.
 
2014-03-03 05:58:07 PM  
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2014-03-03 05:58:21 PM  
FTA: The stories in German readers, in which devils, witches and disobedient children are often portrayed as heroes, set bad examples, he said.

#firstworldproblems
 
2014-03-03 05:59:33 PM  
I was told "If you like your home schooled immigrant family, you can keep your home schooled immigrant family."

THANKS OBAMA!!
 
2014-03-03 06:00:35 PM  

obenchainr: They don't qualify under the rules of political asylum.  Why didn't they also start trying to go the whole normal immigration route at the same time?


Because they were being persecuted for being Christians, didn't you RTFA?
 
2014-03-03 06:01:18 PM  

RexTalionis: I am a US Citizen and so are my parents. We are legally living here and we've looked into applying to bring some of my relatives over from China. The wait for them to immigrate would be somewhere around 14 years, as I recall.

So even if you have family living in the US, it still ain't easy.

These guys get no sympathy from me. They were exploiting the asylum laws of this country to jump ahead of the line.


Yeesh. I'm going to guess your parents are looking to bring over brothers/sisters. Just looked at the Visa Bulletin for February, they're only just now processing applications from October 2001 for China. I agree entirely that the system is pretty damn awful for people in your situation, but at least you  can apply.

And I totally agree with you about these people. No sympathy at all, even if they didn't even  have a line to jump in front of.
 
2014-03-03 06:01:52 PM  
Heterosexual white family... I'm sure that's the only nuance to this whole story. No other details needed, right?
 
2014-03-03 06:05:54 PM  
If this family couldn't convince four SCOTUS Justices to grant cert, there was no way they were getting five to agree with their religious persecution argument. And the current SCOTUS is rather slanted towards Christian thinking in law.
 
2014-03-03 06:07:07 PM  

Rincewind53: RexTalionis: I am a US Citizen and so are my parents. We are legally living here and we've looked into applying to bring some of my relatives over from China. The wait for them to immigrate would be somewhere around 14 years, as I recall.

So even if you have family living in the US, it still ain't easy.

These guys get no sympathy from me. They were exploiting the asylum laws of this country to jump ahead of the line.

Yeesh. I'm going to guess your parents are looking to bring over brothers/sisters. Just looked at the Visa Bulletin for February, they're only just now processing applications from October 2001 for China. I agree entirely that the system is pretty damn awful for people in your situation, but at least you  can apply.

And I totally agree with you about these people. No sympathy at all, even if they didn't even  have a line to jump in front of.


Yeah. I think they initially were inquiring about applying for my aunts and uncles in around 2003 or 2004, so 14 years look roughly in line with the backlog as you saw it in the Visa Bulletin. Luckily, all parties decided against it, so we never actually bothered.

You know who else annoy me? The Cuban refugees who benefit from the wet-foot/dry-foot policy we have. Apparently, I don't come from a Communist enough country to be allowed the same preferential treatment. It's especially funny because a lot of the earlier generation Cuban refugees/asylum seekers also tend to lord it over other immigrant groups, in my experience, with regards to undocumented aliens.
 
2014-03-03 06:10:22 PM  
If it's against your religion for your kids to have to associate with other people ... well then, don't expect them to remain in the faith after they move out.
 
2014-03-03 06:11:14 PM  
Why do I doubt fox would have cared so much if they had been Hispanics from a latin america country doing the same thing.
 
2014-03-03 06:12:09 PM  
NO AMNESTY FOR ILLEGALS*

*unless you are white christian then its ok!
 
2014-03-03 06:12:19 PM  
In other news, it's illegal to home-school your children in Germany.  That includes secular education.
 
2014-03-03 06:13:46 PM  
Man, when my family came over originally in 1984, we were basically informed that summer or thereabouts by my dad's company that that's where his job was moving, and we moved in November, and had our green cards by May of '87 - two and a half years.  It just blows my mind that it's really that difficult for everyone else.
 
2014-03-03 06:15:08 PM  
Don't like the laws in your country? Claim religious intolerance and move to the US seeking asylum!

We should have the Statue of Liberty changed, from bring us "your tired, your poor, your huddles masses yearning to breath free" to "keep your tired and your poor, bring us your inconvenienced religious zealots, so long as they're white and of a religion we approve of (preferably evangelical Christian, though we'll also consider Baptists and Jews if they have a direct tie to Israel)... yearning to breath free."
 
2014-03-03 06:15:22 PM  

Rincewind53: Bottom line is that unless you have family legally living in the United States it is almost impossible to immigrate here.


I've tried to explain that to people before.  An immigration debate would come up at work and someone will say "Well, they should have just gone through the legal process instead of hopping the border."

That's the point at which I'll ask "What is the legal process?  How long does it take?  How much does it cost?  What are the odds that you can do it at all?"

Unsurprisingly enough, no one I've ever asked those questions to can answer any of them.
 
2014-03-03 06:15:45 PM  
Since the unfettered right to firearms is ordained by God, if I was a Mexican immigrant, I'd start referring to Mexico's draconian firearm laws as human rights violations and ask for asylum.

Then I'd sit back and watch the Tea Party racists' heads explode.
 
2014-03-03 06:16:35 PM  

DemonEater: Man, when my family came over originally in 1984, we were basically informed that summer or thereabouts by my dad's company that that's where his job was moving, and we moved in November, and had our green cards by May of '87 - two and a half years.  It just blows my mind that it's really that difficult for everyone else.


That difficult?  You got your green cards in three years.  You just about broke the damn speed of light coming over from the old country.
 
2014-03-03 06:17:10 PM  

ramblinwreck: In other news, it's illegal to home-school your children in Germany.  That includes secular education.


And?

Homeschooling does more harm than good.; If you feel your child's education is lacking, teach them during weekends or vacations. The answer is NOT to keep them out of school, where they learn rather important social skills, if nothing else.

/This is, of course, not getting into the fact that, in most cases, 'homeschooling' is code for 'teaching children mythology as fact, leaving them even LESS prepared for the real world'.
 
2014-03-03 06:19:05 PM  

Karac: That difficult? You got your green cards in three years. You just about broke the damn speed of light coming over from the old country.


Yeah, by "that difficult" I meant "as difficult as people are talking about in this thread", the 14 year waits and the "not unless you're Stephen Hawking" crap, sorry if I wasn't clear.  I had no idea because my personal experience was "oh, sure, c'mon over, here's your legal status"
 
2014-03-03 06:21:45 PM  

Corvus: Why do I doubt fox would have cared so much if they had been Hispanics from a latin america country doing the same thing.


I was wondering what Fox News' opinion would be if a two-father/gay family from Uganda tried to seek asylum... people that are in real danger of being executed.  "Sodomites and AIDS baby allowed into country."
 
2014-03-03 06:22:19 PM  
Obama hates white people
 
2014-03-03 06:23:13 PM  
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2014-03-03 06:23:39 PM  
FTA: There are nearly 12 million illegal immigrants living in the United States. You'd think the Obama administration could find a place eight immigrants who want to live here legally.

Notice the assumption that people who are here illegally do not want a legitimate path to legal citizenship. Ironically, if the Republican Party would get on the ball about immigration reform, this family might have a path to citizenship.
 
2014-03-03 06:25:46 PM  

DeaH: FTA: There are nearly 12 million illegal immigrants living in the United States. You'd think the Obama administration could find a place eight immigrants who want to live here legally.

Notice the assumption that people who are here illegally do not want a legitimate path to legal citizenship. Ironically, if the Republican Party would get on the ball about immigration reform, this family might have a path to citizenship.


I know it doesn't fit my usual pattern of dirty Librul thinking, but I have a problem with people whose first act in my country is to break the law.  I think the best we should do for them is to allow them to go back to their origin without going to jail and go to the back of the immigration line.
 
2014-03-03 06:25:50 PM  
Homeschooling should be considered child abuse, with exceptions for outlier cases such as medical conditions and special needs.  Even when you're NOT filling them with nonsensical lies and sub-par basic education that will lead to problems getting and keeping a job as adults, you're keeping them from interacting with society outside your home, leaving them lacking in social skills and awareness.
 
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