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(Mother Jones)   Study: messages designed to convince parents to vaccinate their children actually convince parents to not vaccinate their children   (motherjones.com) divider line 14
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2014-03-03 05:37:26 PM
4 votes:

doglover: I don't know. Could it have something to do with the years upon years of hyperbolic lies piled onto society by social do gooders who were full of shiat like MADD and the anti-smoking lobby? Could that have maybe, I dunno, somehow influenced your credibility in some way?


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2014-03-03 05:31:09 PM
4 votes:
Because they have the mentality that everything is some kind of conspiracy, nothing will convince them. You can offer whatever you like and they will ignore it for their version of the truth. I think we should force the kids to be vaccinated, and criminally charge parents that fail to do so. It is no longer a "mother's choice" anymore. Not vaccinating your child does actual harm to the population.
2014-03-03 05:29:55 PM
4 votes:
The goal is not to change the mind of the loud idiots. They are lost causes.

The goal is to prevent the loud idiots from convincing ignorant but otherwise intelligent people from believing bullshiat that sounds vaguely reasonable if you don't know any better.
2014-03-03 05:45:36 PM
3 votes:

doglover: I don't know. Could it have something to do with the years upon years of hyperbolic lies piled onto society by social do gooders who were full of shiat like MADD and the anti-smoking lobby? Could that have maybe, I dunno, somehow influenced your credibility in some way?


So you're saying that smoking is healthy as all get out? Like we should start babies on it? Maybe require it in the workplace, restaurants and shopping centers? I mean, I'm with ya that MADD stepped out of their box YEARS ago, and has switched from just being about drunk driving prevention to moving into a prohibition sphere, but I'm not really sure what "evils" the anti-smoking people have done, except made it so the rest of us no longer want to shoot up so many farking public places because of all of the self absorbed smokers polluting the air and throwing their butts on the ground.
2014-03-03 08:59:30 PM
2 votes:

doglover: I don't know. Could it have something to do with the years upon years of hyperbolic lies piled onto society by social do gooders who were full of shiat like MADD and the anti-smoking lobby? Could that have maybe, I dunno, somehow influenced your credibility in some way?


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I can see that objective reality angers you. Talk to a doctor about that.
2014-03-03 07:52:08 PM
2 votes:

AntiNerd: 1. Vaccines have been essential tools to control and in some cases eradicate some diseases. Therefore, all vaccines are implicitly good for you.

2. Drug companies can be counted on to never fudge testing numbers in the interests of profit. They will always think of their long term interests and realize that the short term profit isn't worth it if it damages their reputation.

3. Anyone who ever questions the efficacy or safety of any vaccine is an anti-vaxxer even more stupid than Jenny McCarthy if that was possible.

4. That goes for anyone who questions whether 686 injections by the age of six is a good idea. This is what our bodies are evolved for and profit motive has nothing to do with it.

5. The government health authorities are always right and always get it right. Except of course if contradicts my personal ideology or pre-conception.

6. If a chemical compound can preserve a vaccine, it must be great for you.

Words to live by I tell you.

Disclaimer: I keep up with my vaccinations with the best risk assessment I can manage. I would do the same for my kids if I had any that age.


Keep building those strawmen dude.
2014-03-03 10:14:09 PM
1 votes:

Zeppelininthesky: Because they have the mentality that everything is some kind of conspiracy, nothing will convince them. You can offer whatever you like and they will ignore it for their version of the truth. I think we should force the kids to be vaccinated, and criminally charge parents that fail to do so. It is no longer a "mother's choice" anymore. Not vaccinating your child does actual harm to the population.


I'm all for this.  Obviously, with medical exemptions, but get rid of the religious ones.  Parents aren't allowed to withhold medical treatment from sick children on religious grounds, so I don't see why this doesn't apply, as well.  If, as an adult, you wish to never get a vaccine again, then that's your right...but it shouldn't be your right to endanger the lives of your and other people's children simply because you're a paranoid conspiracy nutter.
2014-03-03 08:30:02 PM
1 votes:

AntiNerd: 1. Vaccines have been essential tools to control and in some cases eradicate some diseases. Therefore, all vaccines are implicitly good for you.

2. Drug companies can be counted on to never fudge testing numbers in the interests of profit. They will always think of their long term interests and realize that the short term profit isn't worth it if it damages their reputation.

3. Anyone who ever questions the efficacy or safety of any vaccine is an anti-vaxxer even more stupid than Jenny McCarthy if that was possible.

4. That goes for anyone who questions whether 686 injections by the age of six is a good idea. This is what our bodies are evolved for and profit motive has nothing to do with it.

5. The government health authorities are always right and always get it right. Except of course if contradicts my personal ideology or pre-conception.

6. If a chemical compound can preserve a vaccine, it must be great for you.

Words to live by I tell you.

Disclaimer: I keep up with my vaccinations with the best risk assessment I can manage. I would do the same for my kids if I had any that age.


Do you know what the profit margin is on scheduled vaccines?  Take a guess.  50%?  60%?  20%?  10%?  No.  A whopping 0-1.5%.  Vaccines are not a money maker for the pharmaceutical industry.  In fact, a pharmaceutical company often ends up in the red on things like the flu vaccine because of the cost associated to produce them.  This is one reason why the government pays to make up for any loss associated with manufacturing things like the seasonal flu vaccine.  This is also the reason why the number of companies manufacturing things like the flu vaccine have gone from around 20 to 7 in the last two decades.  There's no money in it.  It's such a stupid argument that profit margins motivate the sale of vaccines.

As for 686 injections...where the heck are you getting that number from?  A complete schedule is 49 doses of 14 vaccines by age 6.  That's a drop in the bucket compared to the millions of germs a child is exposed to on a daily basis.
2014-03-03 08:05:54 PM
1 votes:

AntiNerd: 1. Vaccines have been essential tools to control and in some cases eradicate some diseases. Therefore, all vaccines are implicitly good for you.

2. Drug companies can be counted on to never fudge testing numbers in the interests of profit. They will always think of their long term interests and realize that the short term profit isn't worth it if it damages their reputation.

3. Anyone who ever questions the efficacy or safety of any vaccine is an anti-vaxxer even more stupid than Jenny McCarthy if that was possible.

4. That goes for anyone who questions whether 686 injections by the age of six is a good idea. This is what our bodies are evolved for and profit motive has nothing to do with it.

5. The government health authorities are always right and always get it right. Except of course if contradicts my personal ideology or pre-conception.

6. If a chemical compound can preserve a vaccine, it must be great for you.

Words to live by I tell you.

Disclaimer: I keep up with my vaccinations with the best risk assessment I can manage. I would do the same for my kids if I had any that age.



That's a museum-quality collection of straw men right there.
2014-03-03 08:02:02 PM
1 votes:

AntiNerd: 1. Vaccines have been essential tools to control and in some cases eradicate some diseases. Therefore, all vaccines are implicitly good for you.

2. Drug companies can be counted on to never fudge testing numbers in the interests of profit. They will always think of their long term interests and realize that the short term profit isn't worth it if it damages their reputation.

3. Anyone who ever questions the efficacy or safety of any vaccine is an anti-vaxxer even more stupid than Jenny McCarthy if that was possible.

4. That goes for anyone who questions whether 686 injections by the age of six is a good idea. This is what our bodies are evolved for and profit motive has nothing to do with it.

5. The government health authorities are always right and always get it right. Except of course if contradicts my personal ideology or pre-conception.

6. If a chemical compound can preserve a vaccine, it must be great for you.

Words to live by I tell you.

Disclaimer: I keep up with my vaccinations with the best risk assessment I can manage. I would do the same for my kids if I had any that age.


That is some strawman you have there. I am glad you read every single peer reviewed scientific paper that is against vaccinations. Oh wait, there are none.
2014-03-03 07:41:18 PM
1 votes:

meat0918: Summoner101: Apparently what we really need is a diptheria outbreak to show people how useful vaccines are.

That's all that does it.

That, and high profile media reports of children dying of otherwise preventable diseases.


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2014-03-03 07:28:26 PM
1 votes:

doglover: Mikey1969: And yeah, they actually keep passing different kinds of 'put down the fork' legislation, whether it's banning trans fats, or overly large sodas, it keeps happening.

And I keep opposing it.

There's things that should be banned, like DDT. But then there's thing like olestra, which is kind of its own punishment.

And if cigarette smoke bothers you THAT MUCH, maybe don't go to bars, cities, camping, church, or smithies, or kitchens, or anywhere fun really.


May wherever you go be populated with people suffering from bad egg farts.
2014-03-03 05:41:19 PM
1 votes:
Actually, this sums it up pretty well...

The long and short of it is that when we make connections and use memories, they are actual hard connections in our brains, and to change these deep seated beliefs can actually require the brain to be physically rewired. Not easy for most people, but a lot harder for others. It explains the Politics tab... Our computer doesn't work like our brains, so it's easier for a computer to rewrite memory spaces than it is for people.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Republican-Brain-Science-Science/dp/111809 45 14
2014-03-03 05:18:29 PM
1 votes:
I don't know. Could it have something to do with the years upon years of hyperbolic lies piled onto society by social do gooders who were full of shiat like MADD and the anti-smoking lobby? Could that have maybe, I dunno, somehow influenced your credibility in some way?
 
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