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2014-03-03 06:08:30 PM

Gawdzila: 30yrs2l8: I wonder how we have allowed 50% of the nations fruit and produce be to grown in a state that doesn't have its own adequate water supply?

Largely because California's high quality arable land, year-round growing climate, and variety of microclimates enable it to either get much higher yields for most crops, or to grow lots of things that other states really simply cannot grow effectively.  It's a reasonable arrangement to maximize the production from our available resources, assuming you aren't interested in engaging in some kind of ineffectual state-d*ck-waving contest like Smeggy Smurf up there.


You realize most of South America falls in high quality ariable land, microclimates, and has plenty of fresh water going fo it?  And many companies are setting up huge vegetable grow ops there?
 
2014-03-03 06:11:30 PM

SurelyShirley: 30yrs2l8: I wonder how we have allowed 50% of the nations fruit and produce be to grown in a state that doesn't have its own adequate water supply? Talk about stupid. If Cali doesn't get water from the surrounding sates we all take it in the a$$ every time we buy food.

Exactly. We should just grow all our fruits, veggies etc in Michigan, where there's an abundance of water.


I can see Lake Michigan from mah house, and within 15 miles of here we have:
Sweet corn, soybean and wheat fields, three blueberry farms, two strawberry farms, several apple orchards, a few poultry farms, several beef farms, a hog farm, several wineries, distillers and breweries; three large-scale pumpkin/veggie farms, two hydroponic tomato/lettuce/herb facilities, plus many CSAs and community gardens.

We'd survive without CA produce, though I would miss pistachios and avocados.
 
2014-03-03 06:12:26 PM
Ooh - how about building an aqueduct to replenish the Platte / high plains aquifer?
 
2014-03-03 06:13:17 PM

dundapig: build a great big straw then Caliprunia can suck it


"My straw reaches across the room and starts to drink your milkshake.  I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!"
 
2014-03-03 06:13:56 PM

Russ1642: wxboy: Aside from the sheer amount you'd need to make a difference, I also occasionally hear people suggesting a pipeline to ship water to the West.  This is a practical impossibility too because of the amount of energy needed to get the water over the Rocky Mountains.  It would probably be more efficient just to build the desalinization plants.

This is also no doubt one of the many reasons Canada is pushing the Keystone oil pipeline instead of building one from Alberta to Vancouver.

For starters we already have oil pipelines from Alberta to Vancouver. The next big project to BC is the Northern Gateway Pipeline that takes oil from near Edmonton to Kitimat.


Okay, so I was wrong.  But still, the economics of moving water through a 2,000-mile pipeline don't really seem to make much sense unless you're willing to pay oil-level prices for it, at which point the economic difference between having the water and not having it probably isn't very large.
 
2014-03-03 06:14:32 PM

ytterbium: SurelyShirley: 30yrs2l8: I wonder how we have allowed 50% of the nations fruit and produce be to grown in a state that doesn't have its own adequate water supply? Talk about stupid. If Cali doesn't get water from the surrounding sates we all take it in the a$$ every time we buy food.

Exactly. We should just grow all our fruits, veggies etc in Michigan, where there's an abundance of water.

I can see Lake Michigan from mah house, and within 15 miles of here we have:
Sweet corn, soybean and wheat fields, three blueberry farms, two strawberry farms, several apple orchards, a few poultry farms, several beef farms, a hog farm, several wineries, distillers and breweries; three large-scale pumpkin/veggie farms, two hydroponic tomato/lettuce/herb facilities, plus many CSAs and community gardens.

We'd survive without CA produce, though I would miss pistachios and avocados.


Your avocados would come from the Dominican Republic or South America.
 
2014-03-03 06:15:35 PM

theflatline: Gawdzila: 30yrs2l8: I wonder how we have allowed 50% of the nations fruit and produce be to grown in a state that doesn't have its own adequate water supply?

Largely because California's high quality arable land, year-round growing climate, and variety of microclimates enable it to either get much higher yields for most crops, or to grow lots of things that other states really simply cannot grow effectively.  It's a reasonable arrangement to maximize the production from our available resources, assuming you aren't interested in engaging in some kind of ineffectual state-d*ck-waving contest like Smeggy Smurf up there.

You realize most of South America falls in high quality ariable land, microclimates, and has plenty of fresh water going fo it?  And many companies are setting up huge vegetable grow ops there?


Yeah, of course, in fact we already get certain things from them that are strictly summer crops.  But for us here in the U.S., the transportation costs for South American produce would be higher, fruits and veggies would have to be picked further away from ripeness to be viable for store shelves, and our food supplies would be dependent on a foreign country with, in some cases, questionable labor practices.  I'm not sure why that would be preferable to growing our own food here in California.  It's good for the economy of the country as a whole, in fact: California supplies a majority of almonds and artichokes to the world, not just the U.S..  Isn't decreasing our trade deficit a good thing?
 
2014-03-03 06:21:02 PM

wxboy: As if anyone in the Midwest eats vegetables...


Hey come on now, that's unfair...you need mirepoix to make a decent gravy, after all.
 
2014-03-03 06:21:50 PM

ytterbium: ytterbium: I can see Lake Michigan from mah house, and within 15 miles of here we have:
Sweet corn, soybean and wheat fields, three blueberry farms, two strawberry farms, several apple orchards, a few poultry farms, several beef farms, a hog farm, several wineries, distillers and breweries; three large-scale pumpkin/veggie farms, two hydroponic tomato/lettuce/herb facilities, plus many CSAs and community gardens.

We'd survive without CA produce, though I would miss pistachios and avocados.


So California supplies 80% of the nation's produce except for the the fertile crescent surrounding Lake Michigan? I think it's more likely that you vastly overestimate how much you actually grow locally and underestimate how much you consume.
 
2014-03-03 06:24:53 PM

theflatline: Your avocados would come from the Dominican Republic or South America.


And they are a cruel joke played on anyone who's lived in an avocado producing region. The flavorless stones sold as avocados in the Midwest are only fit for consumption by Midwesterners.
 
2014-03-03 06:26:40 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: theflatline: Your avocados would come from the Dominican Republic or South America.

And they are a cruel joke played on anyone who's lived in an avocado producing region. The flavorless stones sold as avocados in the Midwest are only fit for consumption by Midwesterners.


I thought there was a reason I never understood why so many people like them.
/Minnesotan.
 
2014-03-03 06:28:25 PM

Gawdzila: theflatline: Gawdzila: 30yrs2l8: I wonder how we have allowed 50% of the nations fruit and produce be to grown in a state that doesn't have its own adequate water supply?

Largely because California's high quality arable land, year-round growing climate, and variety of microclimates enable it to either get much higher yields for most crops, or to grow lots of things that other states really simply cannot grow effectively.  It's a reasonable arrangement to maximize the production from our available resources, assuming you aren't interested in engaging in some kind of ineffectual state-d*ck-waving contest like Smeggy Smurf up there.

You realize most of South America falls in high quality ariable land, microclimates, and has plenty of fresh water going fo it?  And many companies are setting up huge vegetable grow ops there?

Yeah, of course, in fact we already get certain things from them that are strictly summer crops.  But for us here in the U.S., the transportation costs for South American produce would be higher, fruits and veggies would have to be picked further away from ripeness to be viable for store shelves, and our food supplies would be dependent on a foreign country with, in some cases, questionable labor practices.  I'm not sure why that would be preferable to growing our own food here in California.  It's good for the economy of the country as a whole, in fact: California supplies a majority of almonds and artichokes to the world, not just the U.S..  Isn't decreasing our trade deficit a good thing?


Hey now.

Stop getting in the way of a hatefilled wankfest about California suffering.  It's the most pleasure they're going to get tonight outside of the 30 minutes they'll spend looking at digital boobies.
 
2014-03-03 06:29:48 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: theflatline: Your avocados would come from the Dominican Republic or South America.

And they are a cruel joke played on anyone who's lived in an avocado producing region. The flavorless stones sold as avocados in the Midwest are only fit for consumption by Midwesterners.


I have lived in Colombia and I can tell you there are far more varieties there and with much better flavor than anything grown in California.
 
2014-03-03 06:40:45 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: ytterbium: ytterbium: I can see Lake Michigan from mah house, and within 15 miles of here we have:
Sweet corn, soybean and wheat fields, three blueberry farms, two strawberry farms, several apple orchards, a few poultry farms, several beef farms, a hog farm, several wineries, distillers and breweries; three large-scale pumpkin/veggie farms, two hydroponic tomato/lettuce/herb facilities, plus many CSAs and community gardens.

We'd survive without CA produce, though I would miss pistachios and avocados.

So California supplies 80% of the nation's produce except for the the fertile crescent surrounding Lake Michigan? I think it's more likely that you vastly overestimate how much you actually grow locally and underestimate how much you consume.


Understandable, I was originally kind of poking fun at how protective the region is of our fresh water. We all know any method of transporting water from here to there makes no sense.

I do assert that we could survive on local produce if needed, provided we can or freeze.
 
2014-03-03 06:43:01 PM
It's a question which when pondered for long really makes you appreciate how much energy goes into the hydrologic cycle.
 
2014-03-03 06:54:16 PM
Doesn't matter; indications are that a big-ass El Nino is going to show up and take care of this problem.  We could still get a couple storms this season and could get slammed with water next season.
 
2014-03-03 06:56:14 PM

theflatline: I have lived in Colombia and I can tell you there are far more varieties there and with much better flavor than anything grown in California.


Not having lived in Columbia I won't argue the point. I grew up with an avocado tree in my back yard and used to sit up in it eating avocados with a knife, salt, and a spoon so any flavor difference would have to be based on the variety rather than freshness. I'm surprised California growers haven't imported some of the other varieties.
 
2014-03-03 06:57:31 PM
See, California is basically SF and LA, surrounded by Alabama.  I'm betting the snow hauling guy is from the Alabama part of California.

ytterbium: SurelyShirley: 30yrs2l8: I wonder how we have allowed 50% of the nations fruit and produce be to grown in a state that doesn't have its own adequate water supply? Talk about stupid. If Cali doesn't get water from the surrounding sates we all take it in the a$$ every time we buy food.

Exactly. We should just grow all our fruits, veggies etc in Michigan, where there's an abundance of water.

I can see Lake Michigan from mah house, and within 15 miles of here we have:
Sweet corn, soybean and wheat fields, three blueberry farms, two strawberry farms, several apple orchards, a few poultry farms, several beef farms, a hog farm, several wineries, distillers and breweries; three large-scale pumpkin/veggie farms, two hydroponic tomato/lettuce/herb facilities, plus many CSAs and community gardens.

We'd survive without CA produce, though I would miss pistachios and avocados.


Just FYI, California is the largest agriculture producer in the US, followed by Texas, which produces about half of what California does.
 
2014-03-03 07:06:30 PM
It's been raining in Sacramento every day for almost a week now.
 
2014-03-03 07:08:45 PM

make me some tea: It's been raining in Sacramento every day for almost a week now.


And we're still below average.
 
2014-03-03 07:11:15 PM

StopLurkListen: make me some tea: It's been raining in Sacramento every day for almost a week now.

And we're still below average.


Yup. Long way to go, but the forecast shows more precipitation, so that's good.
 
2014-03-03 07:11:30 PM

The Southern Dandy: See, California is basically SF and LA, surrounded by Alabama.  I'm betting the snow hauling guy is from the Alabama part of California.ytterbium: SurelyShirley: 30yrs2l8: I wonder how we have allowed 50% of the nations fruit and produce be to grown in a state that doesn't have its own adequate water supply? Talk about stupid. If Cali doesn't get water from the surrounding sates we all take it in the a$$ every time we buy food.

Exactly. We should just grow all our fruits, veggies etc in Michigan, where there's an abundance of water.

I can see Lake Michigan from mah house, and within 15 miles of here we have:
Sweet corn, soybean and wheat fields, three blueberry farms, two strawberry farms, several apple orchards, a few poultry farms, several beef farms, a hog farm, several wineries, distillers and breweries; three large-scale pumpkin/veggie farms, two hydroponic tomato/lettuce/herb facilities, plus many CSAs and community gardens.

We'd survive without CA produce, though I would miss pistachios and avocados.

Just FYI, California is the largest agriculture producer in the US, followed by Texas, which produces about half of what California does.


Hey, we are building a a desalination plant for San Antonio. There's lots of brackish water under here apparently. But there have been water restrictions here ever since they found those blind salamanders in the aquifer way back, no crisis yet.
 
2014-03-03 07:12:13 PM

Gawdzila: theflatline: Gawdzila: 30yrs2l8: I wonder how we have allowed 50% of the nations fruit and produce be to grown in a state that doesn't have its own adequate water supply?

Largely because California's high quality arable land, year-round growing climate, and variety of microclimates enable it to either get much higher yields for most crops, or to grow lots of things that other states really simply cannot grow effectively.  It's a reasonable arrangement to maximize the production from our available resources, assuming you aren't interested in engaging in some kind of ineffectual state-d*ck-waving contest like Smeggy Smurf up there.

You realize most of South America falls in high quality ariable land, microclimates, and has plenty of fresh water going fo it?  And many companies are setting up huge vegetable grow ops there?

Yeah, of course, in fact we already get certain things from them that are strictly summer crops.  But for us here in the U.S., the transportation costs for South American produce would be higher, fruits and veggies would have to be picked further away from ripeness to be viable for store shelves, and our food supplies would be dependent on a foreign country with, in some cases, questionable labor practices.  I'm not sure why that would be preferable to growing our own food here in California.  It's good for the economy of the country as a whole, in fact: California supplies a majority of almonds and artichokes to the world, not just the U.S..  Isn't decreasing our trade deficit a good thing?


That's a very California-centric view.  Where I live, most of our fruits and vegetables come locally (in the summer) or from South America (winter).  The grocery stores are very good about labeling the origins of the food, and I hardly ever see California listed, even for stereotypically Californian crops like avocados (Mexico) and pistachios (Middle East).

Even grapes are cheaper, and fresher, to fly in from Central America than to truck in from California.

Sorry, Cali.  The rest of the country really doesn't need you.  Free trade agreements have made you obsolete.
 
2014-03-03 07:20:50 PM

reaperducer: Sorry, Cali. The rest of the country really doesn't need you your crops. Free trade agreements have made you obsolete.


FTFY - kind of. You still need our food, sorry.
 
2014-03-03 07:22:28 PM

The Southern Dandy: See, California is basically SF and LA, surrounded by Alabama.  I'm betting the snow hauling guy is from the Alabama part of California


Actually, and this is not a happy thought, the snow hauling guy is from the 2nd most educated city in the country (I won't say why I know...). But you get inquisitive idiots everywhere.

Though I do remember someone asking the same sort of question when flooding was the issue of the day here in California (we always have one or the other) - why can't we just take a bunch of tanker trucks, fill them up above x city that is going to flood, and have them dump below the city? Well, because it would take 20,000 trucks per hour for that one location, and there is no way in hell that will work. Or a pipeline the size of the flooded river channel to re-route it. I think people just don't really get the scale of water consumption, river flows, snow pack, etc.
 
2014-03-03 07:26:48 PM
Cue the futurama ice cube scene..

// I SAID ONCE AND FOR ALL!
 
2014-03-03 07:27:18 PM
Good thing liberal states are so smart.
 
2014-03-03 07:34:37 PM
I think it's time to get realistic in general.  After billions and billions of years of animals and plants drinking all the water, it's eventually going to run out.  There are so many people on Earth now, that the water is disappearing as fast as the world's temperatures are rising.  So, it doesn't exactly matter where you get your supply from, it's only a matter of time before that runs out, too.  What we really need is some way to start getting water from the icy planets.
 
2014-03-03 07:36:36 PM
 
2014-03-03 07:45:50 PM

StopLurkListen: I don't believe any questions like these are "bad" questions. We Americans have accomplished some pretty amazing feats of engineering , so it's not surprising that some people to assume that difficult things are easier than they think.

Hell, almost every American assumes what they don't understand is easy.


that is almost as bad as  Tim Bruening's question.
 
2014-03-03 07:50:30 PM

MrHappyRotter: I think it's time to get realistic in general.  After billions and billions of years of animals and plants drinking all the water, it's eventually going to run out.  There are so many people on Earth now, that the water is disappearing as fast as the world's temperatures are rising.  So, it doesn't exactly matter where you get your supply from, it's only a matter of time before that runs out, too.  What we really need is some way to start getting water from the icy planets.


www.skepticmoney.com

//not sure if serious
 
2014-03-03 07:51:48 PM

30yrs2l8: I wonder how we have allowed 50% of the nations fruit and produce be to grown in a state that doesn't have its own adequate water supply? Talk about stupid. If Cali doesn't get water from the surrounding sates we all take it in the a$$ every time we buy food.


Let me guess, you live in a city.
You don't have a clue due you?
I
You're as bad as Tim Bruening,

Let???
 
2014-03-03 07:57:23 PM

lake_huron: Mark Ratner: What about hooking up a giant outboard motor onto an iceberg, and moving it to California?

That is actually probably much more cost-effective than trucks.

I think a better approach would be to send spaceships out to get large ice crystal from, say, Saturn's rings. I bet it would even be enough water to supply a settlement on another planet, say, Mars.


Because that's the Martian Way.

/i see what you did there
 
2014-03-03 07:58:12 PM

demonbug: The Southern Dandy: See, California is basically SF and LA, surrounded by Alabama.  I'm betting the snow hauling guy is from the Alabama part of California

Actually, and this is not a happy thought, the snow hauling guy is from the 2nd most educated city in the country (I won't say why I know...). But you get inquisitive idiots everywhere.

Though I do remember someone asking the same sort of question when flooding was the issue of the day here in California (we always have one or the other) - why can't we just take a bunch of tanker trucks, fill them up above x city that is going to flood, and have them dump below the city? Well, because it would take 20,000 trucks per hour for that one location, and there is no way in hell that will work. Or a pipeline the size of the flooded river channel to re-route it. I think people just don't really get the scale of water consumption, river flows, snow pack, etc.


I don't think that is really the way to look at it. Some people really do not understand how certain things work and often those who do, denigrate them for the lack of knowledge. This is counterproductive as many, if not most of our greatest inventions were the product or by-product of stupid ideas. I myself have wondered if there was some way to pipe or channel the flood waters from the Fargo/Moorehead area to the southwest. So far I can not find an option that would work as far as I know. At the very least find a way to move it to a watershed that can drain that region and get those people's lives back to normal. Altitude seems to be the biggest obstacle as far as I can tell. Pumps cost money to operate and gravity fed would be best. Is there a solution? I don't know. I sure would love to see someone find that solution if it exists, or can exist.
 
2014-03-03 07:58:44 PM

theflatline: Gawdzila: 30yrs2l8: I wonder how we have allowed 50% of the nations fruit and produce be to grown in a state that doesn't have its own adequate water supply?

Largely because California's high quality arable land, year-round growing climate, and variety of microclimates enable it to either get much higher yields for most crops, or to grow lots of things that other states really simply cannot grow effectively.  It's a reasonable arrangement to maximize the production from our available resources, assuming you aren't interested in engaging in some kind of ineffectual state-d*ck-waving contest like Smeggy Smurf up there.

You realize most of South America falls in high quality ariable land, microclimates, and has plenty of fresh water going fo it?  And many companies are setting up huge vegetable grow ops there?


what is the price of jet fuel these days?
Just how much are you willing/able to pay for a tomato?
 
2014-03-03 08:03:02 PM
There is a very large disconnect with reality in this thread.

welcome to fark.jpg  is in full play.
 
2014-03-03 08:05:57 PM
Sure, if you want 8 months worth of motor oil, cigarette butts, and hobo pee that was scraped off the road with a plow melted down into your drinking water, you can come help yourself.
 
2014-03-03 08:10:00 PM

StopLurkListen: Hell, almost every American assumes what they don't understand is easy.


Except evolution. That's a case of "I kin't figger it out, therefore Jeebus."
 
2014-03-03 08:14:23 PM

axeeugene: You live in a place with no water? FARK OFF.


Careful with that, axeeugene. Water only exists in three states.
 
2014-03-03 08:19:15 PM

aerojockey: Doesn't matter; indications are that a big-ass El Nino is going to show up and take care of this problem.  We could still get a couple storms this season and could get slammed with water next season.


That is what the short term models say and it certainly posable.

In the historic/ geologic term, not so much. The latest data indicates that Cali is heading into a +/- 80yr. drought cycle.
I hope I'm wrong.
 
2014-03-03 08:20:21 PM
ytterbium: We'd survive without CA produce, though I would miss pistachios and avocados.

I already miss pistachios since there is no way in hell that I'm paying $10/LB for them (unshelled).
 
2014-03-03 08:40:43 PM
Tim C. Bruening of Davis, CA spends his time stuffing ads
in the local Davis Enterprise newspaper -- when he's not
skydiving or thinking outside the box.  Shipping snow from
the East was a really dumb idea, Timmy.  Everyone knows
that's it far easier to just steal it from southern Oregon
and dump it into Lake Shasta.  Much shorter distance
and it's all downhill.... just look on the map.  See, Oregon
up there and Davis down here.  Let gravity do most of
the work.  Comments to:  t­sbrue­ni[nospam-﹫-backwards]si­va­d­*c­a*us
 
2014-03-03 08:44:21 PM
Massive dam removal projects can't help their water storing capacity either:

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_23508105/californias-biggest-dam-remov al -project-history-begins-carmel

/ B... but muh delta smelt!
 
2014-03-03 08:44:57 PM

blender61: theflatline: Gawdzila: 30yrs2l8: I wonder how we have allowed 50% of the nations fruit and produce be to grown in a state that doesn't have its own adequate water supply?

Largely because California's high quality arable land, year-round growing climate, and variety of microclimates enable it to either get much higher yields for most crops, or to grow lots of things that other states really simply cannot grow effectively.  It's a reasonable arrangement to maximize the production from our available resources, assuming you aren't interested in engaging in some kind of ineffectual state-d*ck-waving contest like Smeggy Smurf up there.

You realize most of South America falls in high quality ariable land, microclimates, and has plenty of fresh water going fo it?  And many companies are setting up huge vegetable grow ops there?

what is the price of jet fuel these days?
Just how much are you willing/able to pay for a tomato?


Cargo ships my friend, you might have heard of them. Tomatos are already expensive, so I imagine if I can get bananas for 1-1.50 an lb from South America, they can do us a better deal on tomatoes as well.
 
2014-03-03 08:46:44 PM

super_grass: Massive dam removal projects can't help their water storing capacity either:

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_23508105/californias-biggest-dam-remov al -project-history-begins-carmel

/ B... but muh delta smelt!


Nice link. You should have read it.

"But now it's obsolete and at risk of collapsing in an earthquake. And its reservoir is so silted up with sand and gravel that it hasn't been used to supply water since 2002."
 
2014-03-03 08:58:48 PM

Mark Ratner: What about hooking up a giant outboard motor onto an iceberg, and moving it to California?
[std3.ru image 400x227]


This has been proposed since (I think) the 1970's. There are a number of technological problems. Among them are the berg may break up under tow, it may melt and the melting is not uniform. The berg under tow without some sort of insulation is going to form a cavity in the front. That cavity introduces a number of problems that were insurmountable at first. Current ideas are to wrap the berg with an insulator.
Computer modeling indicates towing may be technologically feasible now, though the breakup problem still can be a bit of a wild card in the mix. However for all the 'it can be done' no one is trying or has done it.
 
2014-03-03 09:13:06 PM
My state is better than your state!

Honestly though, Cali, no one cares about your avocados.
 
2014-03-03 09:14:26 PM

a particular individual: axeeugene: You live in a place with no water? FARK OFF.

Careful with that, axeeugene. Water only exists in three states.


Oh how *wrong* you are, a particular individual:

http://www.space.com/23028-super-earth-water-atmosphere-alien-planet .h tml
 
2014-03-03 09:14:33 PM

axeeugene: California can have our water when they pry it from our cold, cold, COLD dead hands.

The Great Lakes Compact is a wonderful thing.

You live in a place with no water? FARK OFF.

/Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown.


Effin a.

Gawdzila: axeeugene: California can have our water when they pry it from our cold, cold, COLD dead hands.

The Great Lakes Compact is a wonderful thing.

You live in a place with no water? FARK OFF.

Okay, we'll see how you like the quintupled produce prices.


Nemo's Brother: So I guess California needs the fly over states more than they need California?

[gifrific.com image 245x285]

Hardly.  It's fairly symbiotic.  You give us water, we grow your food.  California grows 80% of the fruits and veggies for the country in general, and close to 100% of a lot of common specialty crops.  Oh, except feed corn and soybeans, of course.  You got that covered.


www.michiganagriculture.com

/Cali might grow 80% of the produce
//but we can take care of ourselves in that regard
///and have 22% of the world's fresh surface water
 
2014-03-03 09:20:55 PM

theflatline: blender61: theflatline: Gawdzila: 30yrs2l8: I wonder how we have allowed 50% of the nations fruit and produce be to grown in a state that doesn't have its own adequate water supply?

Largely because California's high quality arable land, year-round growing climate, and variety of microclimates enable it to either get much higher yields for most crops, or to grow lots of things that other states really simply cannot grow effectively.  It's a reasonable arrangement to maximize the production from our available resources, assuming you aren't interested in engaging in some kind of ineffectual state-d*ck-waving contest like Smeggy Smurf up there.

You realize most of South America falls in high quality ariable land, microclimates, and has plenty of fresh water going fo it?  And many companies are setting up huge vegetable grow ops there?

what is the price of jet fuel these days?
Just how much are you willing/able to pay for a tomato?

Cargo ships my friend, you might have heard of them. Tomatos are already expensive, so I imagine if I can get bananas for 1-1.50 an lb from South America, they can do us a better deal on tomatoes as well.


Ah cargo ships, good point, never heard of them.
Most things don't ship a well as bananas. If you have ever tasted a real, not picked rock green banana you might not be so gung ho about a product shipped from a continent away.
Hot house tomatoes from the EU or Israel suck compared to the real thing. They were developed to ship well, not taste good.
Mexican tomatoes, they use pesticides/herbicides that were banned long ago in the U.S.

The invention of the refrigerated box car changed how America ate.
I'ts not just "salad bowl" stuff. It's the wine, cotton, fruit, nuts, corn, rice citrus, melons. You eat what we grow.
 
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