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(Sky.com)   China and Russia are "in agreement" about Ukraine. In other news. It might be time to clear out grandpa's old fallout bunker   (news.sky.com) divider line 321
    More: Followup, Ukraine, Russia, ferry slip, Foreign Secretary William Hague, Russian flag, territorial integrity, Donetsk, Viktor Yanukovych  
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2014-03-04 12:16:57 AM  
files.dave-lister.webnode.cz
 
2014-03-04 12:25:00 AM  
Ctrl+F "kipper"

WHY THE FARK ARE THERE 19 RESULTS?
 
2014-03-04 12:31:51 AM  

Agatha Crispy: Mrtraveler01: That all being said, I don't think Obama deserved it that early.

This is why you look so arrogant and stupid. You try and tell the rest of the world what they think.


Are you planning to do anything in this thread besides insult everyone who tries to talk to you?
 
2014-03-04 12:38:27 AM  
Unverified rumors that Yano's caught the Russian flu.

http://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/1zht05/unconfirme d_ report_that_viktor_yanukovich_has/

Bad day for Putin if it's the truth.
 
2014-03-04 12:59:46 AM  

CygnusDarius: zimbomba63: Ow! That was my feelings!: It's 1979 all over again.
[www.bizpacreview.com image 530x260]

SWEET!  That means I'm 29 and single again. Thank you, FSM.

I wasn't even born in this crazy age! What must I do!?.


Id say your mother is in for a worse time than you are
 
2014-03-04 01:02:17 AM  

netcentric: Uh oh... it appears that with the pull back in US leadership in the world... the Fark Circle the Wagons and Protect Obama (FCWPO) crowd is struggling to fill the void left behind.


You mean the pullback in American leadership that has put NATO right on Russia's borders and which has every former SSR trying like mad to join up?  That pull back in American leadership?  All of you morons saying that Russia would only stop if they properly feared us just don't get it.  They're already afraid because NATO is engulfing them.  Fear won't make them pull back, fear is causing them to do this in the first place.
 
2014-03-04 01:04:30 AM  

Boojum2k: China flexing its muscles and looking hungrily at Japanese territory for its own ends.


Let 'em. China's been trying to invade Japan (and losing hilariously) for the better part of 800 years.

So far, it's cost them Taiwan, Korea, and the Ryukyus.
 
2014-03-04 01:06:04 AM  

Mentat: netcentric: Uh oh... it appears that with the pull back in US leadership in the world... the Fark Circle the Wagons and Protect Obama (FCWPO) crowd is struggling to fill the void left behind.

You mean the pullback in American leadership that has put NATO right on Russia's borders and which has every former SSR trying like mad to join up?  That pull back in American leadership?  All of you morons saying that Russia would only stop if they properly feared us just don't get it.  They're already afraid because NATO is engulfing them.  Fear won't make them pull back, fear is causing them to do this in the first place.


If so, then Russia is shoving Ukraine into the ranks of NATO by doing this. Then they'll have to start asking themselves who's next.
 
2014-03-04 01:07:53 AM  

Mentat: Fear won't make them pull back, fear is causing them to do this in the first place.


You're right.

This isn't the move of a bear on the rampage.  It's a high risk, last ditch play from a cornered, wounded bear.

If Obama can convince Europe to go along with sanctions and embargoes, Russia's economy will be worse than Greece within the year.  If the oligarch's western assets are frozen, homegrown knives will be out for Putin's blood.
 
2014-03-04 01:16:23 AM  
RandomRandom:

If Obama can convince Europe to go along with sanctions and embargoes, Russia's economy will be worse than Greece within the year.  If the oligarch's western assets are frozen, homegrown knives will be out for Putin's blood.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101462500

From an economic standpoint it's already making a pretty huge difference for Russia.
 
2014-03-04 01:16:46 AM  

RandomRandom: Mentat: Fear won't make them pull back, fear is causing them to do this in the first place.

You're right.

This isn't the move of a bear on the rampage.  It's a high risk, last ditch play from a cornered, wounded bear.

If Obama can convince Europe to go along with sanctions and embargoes, Russia's economy will be worse than Greece within the year.  If the oligarch's western assets are frozen, homegrown knives will be out for Putin's blood.


And given Russia's history with invasions, I can understand their concern.  I also understand why Eastern Europe wants to stay as far away from them politically as possible and I understand Western Europe's desire to build a buffer zone between them in Europe.
 
2014-03-04 03:06:30 AM  
 
2014-03-04 03:20:31 AM  

orangehat: RandomRandom:

If Obama can convince Europe to go along with sanctions and embargoes, Russia's economy will be worse than Greece within the year.  If the oligarch's western assets are frozen, homegrown knives will be out for Putin's blood.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101462500

From an economic standpoint it's already making a pretty huge difference for Russia.


I'm guessing Putin thinks the spike in gas and oil prices will make up the difference.

// norway's gonna make a fortune on this
/// not happy about that at all
 
2014-03-04 03:27:36 AM  

Aigoo: grimlock1972: Seriously people even if Obama ordered troops to the Ukraine its very likely we would not yet have boots on the ground, it takes time to organize and set a line of supply and to build a coalition of nations to support the effort.

Seriously the only US Military assets that might have been able to respond by now is the US sixth fleet based in Naples Italy.

Any troops in Europe would need time to supply and permission would be needed to move through allied nations before they could roll for Ukraine.

A small force could be sent by air but not enough to do much of anything beside put Moscow on notice, provided once again we got okay to route through allied air space.

Incirlik Air Base (Turkey) would like a word. So would Aitos Logistics Center (Bulgaria), Souda Bay Naval Logistics Center (Greece), Bezmer Air Base (Bulgaria), and Graf Ignatievo Air Base (Bulgaria).

That's not really a "small" force (though admittedly, some of the forces in Turkey may be tied up in other places at the moment), and two separate logistics centers to supply. And yes, Army logistics (and non-logistics) personnel do, in fact, train in loading Air Force planes for supply drops. I was never supply, though I was in a combat field unit (intel), and I took the training course. We've also been known to hitch a ride with the Air Force on occasion. So, yes, we certainly could field a rapid response force if the Ukrainians could clear one of the airfields. Buddy of mine ran an Army Airfield for about a decade before he retired and before that, he WAS Army rapid response force--we can get troops on the ground anywhere in the world within 24 hours if absolutely necessary--and frequently have done so.


I stand corrected but its possible given the nature of this situation all avenues of diplomacy will be exhausted first , and i think a rapid response force would be sent to Kiev rather than Crimea where it would be flying into hornet's nest.

The sixth fleet alone might be enough to scare the russians out of crimea.
 
2014-03-04 04:48:09 AM  

grimlock1972: Aigoo: grimlock1972: Seriously people even if Obama ordered troops to the Ukraine its very likely we would not yet have boots on the ground, it takes time to organize and set a line of supply and to build a coalition of nations to support the effort.

Seriously the only US Military assets that might have been able to respond by now is the US sixth fleet based in Naples Italy.

Any troops in Europe would need time to supply and permission would be needed to move through allied nations before they could roll for Ukraine.

A small force could be sent by air but not enough to do much of anything beside put Moscow on notice, provided once again we got okay to route through allied air space.

Incirlik Air Base (Turkey) would like a word. So would Aitos Logistics Center (Bulgaria), Souda Bay Naval Logistics Center (Greece), Bezmer Air Base (Bulgaria), and Graf Ignatievo Air Base (Bulgaria).

That's not really a "small" force (though admittedly, some of the forces in Turkey may be tied up in other places at the moment), and two separate logistics centers to supply. And yes, Army logistics (and non-logistics) personnel do, in fact, train in loading Air Force planes for supply drops. I was never supply, though I was in a combat field unit (intel), and I took the training course. We've also been known to hitch a ride with the Air Force on occasion. So, yes, we certainly could field a rapid response force if the Ukrainians could clear one of the airfields. Buddy of mine ran an Army Airfield for about a decade before he retired and before that, he WAS Army rapid response force--we can get troops on the ground anywhere in the world within 24 hours if absolutely necessary--and frequently have done so.

I stand corrected but its possible given the nature of this situation all avenues of diplomacy will be exhausted first , and i think a rapid response force would be sent to Kiev rather than Crimea where it would be flying into hornet's nest.

The sixth fleet alone might be enough to ...


The Ukrainians wouldn't have to do anything.  If the US decided to use military intervention, we'd just plop some hovercraft full of Marines from whichever MEUs are afloat at the moment onto the beach and clear the airfields ourselves.

I deployed with the 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit in 2009/2010.  Trust me, that's how we roll.
 
2014-03-04 05:24:59 AM  

T-Servo: I find it funny that so many of the conservative analyses of the trouble we're now in, focus on why Obama is at fault and don't really say anything about Putin being involved.

Also note that the US is pushing for strong measures like trade sanctions (Germany is against that ) or cutting Russia out of the international banking system (UK is against that), but we need the whole farking EU to agree to those stronger measures. Those US diplomats the other week who said 'Fark the EU!' were just ahead of the game, I guess.

/but of course Bush would've gotten their support, everyone in Europe loved GW


Brit here. Err...I don't know about the rest of Europe, but (ANECDOTAL warning) myself and everyone I knew thought Bush was a farking moron.
 
2014-03-04 07:33:09 AM  

Darwins Point-ed Stick: T-Servo: I find it funny that so many of the conservative analyses of the trouble we're now in, focus on why Obama is at fault and don't really say anything about Putin being involved.

Also note that the US is pushing for strong measures like trade sanctions (Germany is against that ) or cutting Russia out of the international banking system (UK is against that), but we need the whole farking EU to agree to those stronger measures. Those US diplomats the other week who said 'Fark the EU!' were just ahead of the game, I guess.

/but of course Bush would've gotten their support, everyone in Europe loved GW

Brit here. Err...I don't know about the rest of Europe, but (ANECDOTAL warning) myself and everyone I knew thought Bush was a farking moron.


... and so did most of America.  The problem is that Bush won with a minority in 2000 thanks to a technicality, and more than a few Democrats stayed home rather than voting for Kerry because he was such a boring candidate.

Me?  I was 17 and couldn't vote yet.  Would have been Kerry, though.
 
2014-03-04 08:08:35 AM  

Agatha Crispy: You nimrods keep calling one another names...

Do you have mental deficiencies? Are you illiterate?

Guess what, farknut?

This is why you look so arrogant and stupid.

You should go down to Wal-Mart and get some more potato chips.


So, when you call people names, (as in the multiple examples I've provided) you're just showing off your debate chops? You have a startling lack of self awareness and are very nasty.  Maybe you should work on your personal demons for a while before casting judgement on an entire country.

I'm sure wherever you're from is quite the utopia.
 
2014-03-04 08:43:11 AM  

Epic Fap Session: Agatha Crispy: You nimrods keep calling one another names...

Do you have mental deficiencies? Are you illiterate?

Guess what, farknut?

This is why you look so arrogant and stupid.

You should go down to Wal-Mart and get some more potato chips.

So, when you call people names, (as in the multiple examples I've provided) you're just showing off your debate chops? You have a startling lack of self awareness and are very nasty.  Maybe you should work on your personal demons for a while before casting judgement on an entire country.

I'm sure wherever you're from is quite the utopia.


Never mind that they're using the name "nimrod" improperly. Nimrod means "mighty hunter."
 
2014-03-04 12:26:11 PM  

RexTalionis: Epic Fap Session: Agatha Crispy: You nimrods keep calling one another names...

Do you have mental deficiencies? Are you illiterate?

Guess what, farknut?

This is why you look so arrogant and stupid.

You should go down to Wal-Mart and get some more potato chips.

So, when you call people names, (as in the multiple examples I've provided) you're just showing off your debate chops? You have a startling lack of self awareness and are very nasty.  Maybe you should work on your personal demons for a while before casting judgement on an entire country.

I'm sure wherever you're from is quite the utopia.

Never mind that they're using the name "nimrod" improperly. Nimrod means "mighty hunter."


Which is why I use it in gun thread.  Because fudd is just demeaning.
 
2014-03-04 06:24:11 PM  

that one guy from that one place: jim32rr: [cdn.washingtonexaminer.biz image 550x550]

Troops behind fence, farthest left: Steve Carell?


Could be, mighty damn close. Of course it might just be one of the Carelltov's, not all of them made it out
 
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