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2014-03-03 11:17:06 PM  

rohar: Agatha Crispy: LordJiro: Agatha Crispy: Epic Fap Session: How about one of you omniscient, patriotic experts on foreign relations educate the rest of us as to how President Romney would have acted to neutralize the Putin threat?

He doesn't have a Nobel Peace Prize to shake so the magic answer appears on the bottom.

So you're implying that nobody EVER should have received a Nobel Peace Prize? Because guess what? EVERY SINGLE PEACE PRIZE WINNER LIVED WHILE NON-PEACEFUL SHIAT HAPPENED.

Every single Nobel Peace Prize winner actually did something to win it. What did your President do to deserve a Nobel Peace Prize three months into office?

He kept Republicans out of office.  You see how grateful the rest of the world was?


That was pretty much the reason he won. Bush and his policies were universally hated so the world was grateful when he was gone and McCain didn't win. The rest of the world got sick of Cowboy Diplomacy.

It's also why the GOP and their supporters keep projecting the "US has no respect in the world anymore", because they kept trying to overlook the fact the US had little respect around the world when they were in charge.

That all being said, I don't think Obama deserved it that early.
 
2014-03-03 11:17:07 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Agatha Crispy: LordJiro: Agatha Crispy: Epic Fap Session: How about one of you omniscient, patriotic experts on foreign relations educate the rest of us as to how President Romney would have acted to neutralize the Putin threat?

He doesn't have a Nobel Peace Prize to shake so the magic answer appears on the bottom.

So you're implying that nobody EVER should have received a Nobel Peace Prize? Because guess what? EVERY SINGLE PEACE PRIZE WINNER LIVED WHILE NON-PEACEFUL SHIAT HAPPENED.

Every single Nobel Peace Prize winner actually did something to win it. What did your President do to deserve a Nobel Peace Prize three months into office?

Theodore Roosevelt was another Nobel Peace Laureate. After conquering the Philippines. Your point?


Do you have mental deficiencies? Are you illiterate? President Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize three months into office for .......come on.....finish the sentence for us......
 
2014-03-03 11:18:18 PM  

Agatha Crispy: So the only answer to the question was partisan bullshiat from the party who doesn't understand why the country is divided. It's okay, I didn't expect anyone to have an answer.


Why is this country divided?

/C'mon enlighten us
 
2014-03-03 11:18:40 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Aigoo: Epic Fap Session: How about one of you omniscient, patriotic experts on foreign relations educate the rest of us as to how President Romney would have acted to neutralize the Putin threat?

He would have (wisely) done the same farking thing Obama is doing--and I am neither a fan of Obama nor Romney, but McCain and the rest of the virulently anti-Obamniacs need to shut the hell up. He is doing exactly what the Budapest documents call for, and he is staying within the bonds of international law.

Had he run out and done what Bush did in Iraq, THAT would be illegal. Yet it is EXACTLY what some are calling for--and EXACTLY what Putin has done.

With all due respect but Romney was an idiot when it came to foreign policy as evidenced by the foreign policy debate where he kept saying that Obama's policy doesn't work but when asked what he would do instead, said that he would basically do the same thing Obama did.

Obama's strength was actually foreign policy because the rest of the country was fatigued after a decade of neocons running things. That's why they were so desperate for Benghazi to stick and why they're so desperate to make this seem like it's Obama fault (even though in reality the same thing would've happened with Romney in charge).

But I agree, short of possibly enacting some sanctions, we really shouldn't do more than that.


That's what I just said...? ROFL

But to be perfectly fair, I'm no fan of Bush, Romney OR Obama. I just happen to agree that, in this case, Obama is doing exactly the right thing. With the exception of the excessive use of drones/drone strikes against American citizens, Obama's foreign policy of diplomacy first, shoot last is actually how foreign policy is supposed to be done, generally speaking. Note, neocons: not every disagreement has to end in a hail of bullets and/or bombs.
 
2014-03-03 11:19:11 PM  

doglover: vernonFL: Six hundred rode into the valley of death.
Cannons to the left of them
Cannons to the right
Into the valley of death rode the six hundred

The light brigade were run headlong into artillery they didn't see and, once they were defeated by their own orders more than anything else their commander had his negros prepare a fancy lunch to console himself.

That poem is a bit of fiction.


You've got to give Tennyson some credit; he jotted the poem down in a few minutes after scanning a newspaper headline.  He didn't even bother to RTFA.

He'd be perfect for Fark.
 
2014-03-03 11:19:54 PM  

rohar: PewterPirate55: Mrtraveler01:

Still nothing. I know its hard for conservatives to grasp such things but try...

What should have been done with Ukraine?

Ironic a liberal shill trolling for solutions when pointing and laughing and denying that Russia is a geo political foe in 2008 and 2012 got us here ... I have a solution let people that actually know what the problems are deal with them instead of pointing and laughing to win elections.  I'd rather vote for the guy that acknowledges the problem he might be looking for a solution the other guy get's blindsided just like the POTUS did.

Just to be clear, you're supporting intervention in the situation of some sort?  Either economically or militarily?  Maybe just push politically in Ukraine's favor through the UN?

remove China And Russia from G8 EU cuts off buying Oil from Russia... Show of support from US impose impose tariffs on all imported Chinese goods. China would drop support for Russia real quick.  Russia will wither economically without petrol dollars flowing from Europe ... meanwhile concede Crimea to Russia but admit the rest of the Ukraine to Nato and the EU and fortify the borders in eastern Europe and move missile defense into all eastern European members of NATO.  Draw the line instead of denying the threat.
 
2014-03-03 11:20:10 PM  

Agatha Crispy: LordJiro: Agatha Crispy: Epic Fap Session: How about one of you omniscient, patriotic experts on foreign relations educate the rest of us as to how President Romney would have acted to neutralize the Putin threat?

He doesn't have a Nobel Peace Prize to shake so the magic answer appears on the bottom.

So you're implying that nobody EVER should have received a Nobel Peace Prize? Because guess what? EVERY SINGLE PEACE PRIZE WINNER LIVED WHILE NON-PEACEFUL SHIAT HAPPENED.

Every single Nobel Peace Prize winner actually did something to win it. What did your President do to deserve a Nobel Peace Prize three months into office?


Got elected as a man who wasn't George W. Bush?

Seriously, that is honestly the ONLY thing I can think of.
 
2014-03-03 11:20:21 PM  

SunsetLament: Ow! That was my feelings!: spamdog: SunsetLament: gigantic pussy

You realize your retarded tough-guy posturing view of US foreign relations actually makes the USA weaker, don't you?

Other nations know they can count upon the USA's fear of looking cowardly or indecisive because of retards like you screaming for intervention.

People like you are the reason that the USA gets stuck in quagmires like Vietnam and Iraq, and the reason for anti-American Islamic terror which was birthed in the coup in Iran in the 50's.

Back then, the British manipulated the USA into intervening by playing up the communist threat.

And still here you are, being manipulated again.

Ya know what really makes America look like a pussy?
[filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com image 850x635]

Our limp wrist President flailing his purse at Putin?


This, my friends, is what a man who hates himself for being gay sounds like.
 
2014-03-03 11:20:38 PM  

LordJiro: Agatha Crispy: rohar: Agatha Crispy: LordJiro: Agatha Crispy: Epic Fap Session: How about one of you omniscient, patriotic experts on foreign relations educate the rest of us as to how President Romney would have acted to neutralize the Putin threat?

He doesn't have a Nobel Peace Prize to shake so the magic answer appears on the bottom.

So you're implying that nobody EVER should have received a Nobel Peace Prize? Because guess what? EVERY SINGLE PEACE PRIZE WINNER LIVED WHILE NON-PEACEFUL SHIAT HAPPENED.

Every single Nobel Peace Prize winner actually did something to win it. What did your President do to deserve a Nobel Peace Prize three months into office?

He kept Republicans out of office.  You see how grateful the rest of the world was?

Yes, the dead wedding parties in Yemen are overjoyed.

The hundreds of thousands, if not more, of Iranian civilians that would have been killed in the Iranian war McCain and Romney were dead-set on certainly are. As are the tens of thousands, if not more, American soldiers that would have died.


Guess what, farknut? The rest of the world is tired of having civilians killed in their sovereign countries because of internal U.S. politics. So these people bury their children because somebody plugged in the wrong co-ordinates but at least nobody in America suffered.
 
2014-03-03 11:21:04 PM  

Agatha Crispy: demaL-demaL-yeH: Agatha Crispy: LordJiro: Agatha Crispy: Epic Fap Session: How about one of you omniscient, patriotic experts on foreign relations educate the rest of us as to how President Romney would have acted to neutralize the Putin threat?

He doesn't have a Nobel Peace Prize to shake so the magic answer appears on the bottom.

So you're implying that nobody EVER should have received a Nobel Peace Prize? Because guess what? EVERY SINGLE PEACE PRIZE WINNER LIVED WHILE NON-PEACEFUL SHIAT HAPPENED.

Every single Nobel Peace Prize winner actually did something to win it. What did your President do to deserve a Nobel Peace Prize three months into office?

Theodore Roosevelt was another Nobel Peace Laureate. After conquering the Philippines. Your point?

Do you have mental deficiencies? Are you illiterate? President Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize three months into office for .......come on.....finish the sentence for us......


Keeping the warmongers of the Republican Party out of office, thus averting an American invasion of Iran (with an attack on Syria next on the agenda), hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of deaths.

Instead of whining about it, Republicans should have taken a step back and taken a good long look at themselves, to see why the rest of the world was so farking happy that they were out of power. But nope, they doubled down.
 
2014-03-03 11:22:46 PM  

PewterPirate55: rohar: PewterPirate55: Mrtraveler01:

Still nothing. I know its hard for conservatives to grasp such things but try...

What should have been done with Ukraine?

Ironic a liberal shill trolling for solutions when pointing and laughing and denying that Russia is a geo political foe in 2008 and 2012 got us here ... I have a solution let people that actually know what the problems are deal with them instead of pointing and laughing to win elections.  I'd rather vote for the guy that acknowledges the problem he might be looking for a solution the other guy get's blindsided just like the POTUS did.

Just to be clear, you're supporting intervention in the situation of some sort?  Either economically or militarily?  Maybe just push politically in Ukraine's favor through the UN?
remove China And Russia from G8 EU cuts off buying Oil from Russia... Show of support from US impose impose tariffs on all imported Chinese goods. China would drop support for Russia real quick.  Russia will wither economically without petrol dollars flowing from Europe ... meanwhile concede Crimea to Russia but admit the rest of the Ukraine to Nato and the EU and fortify the borders in eastern Europe and move missile defense into all eastern European members of NATO.  Draw the line instead of denying the threat.


All of this to help out a country that's continuing to sell advanced anti tank and anti aircraft weapons to Iran?  Have you lost your neocon mind?  WTF dude?

/baggers snuggling up to the "axis of evil"
//never woulda thunk
 
2014-03-03 11:23:01 PM  

Mindlock: doglover: vernonFL: Six hundred rode into the valley of death.
Cannons to the left of them
Cannons to the right
Into the valley of death rode the six hundred

The light brigade were run headlong into artillery they didn't see and, once they were defeated by their own orders more than anything else their commander had his negros prepare a fancy lunch to console himself.

That poem is a bit of fiction.

You've got to give Tennyson some credit; he jotted the poem down in a few minutes after scanning a newspaper headline.  He didn't even bother to RTFA.

He'd be perfect for Fark.


Into the jaws of UFIA derped the six hundred.
 
2014-03-03 11:23:08 PM  

Mrtraveler01: rohar: Agatha Crispy: LordJiro: Agatha Crispy: Epic Fap Session: How about one of you omniscient, patriotic experts on foreign relations educate the rest of us as to how President Romney would have acted to neutralize the Putin threat?

He doesn't have a Nobel Peace Prize to shake so the magic answer appears on the bottom.

So you're implying that nobody EVER should have received a Nobel Peace Prize? Because guess what? EVERY SINGLE PEACE PRIZE WINNER LIVED WHILE NON-PEACEFUL SHIAT HAPPENED.

Every single Nobel Peace Prize winner actually did something to win it. What did your President do to deserve a Nobel Peace Prize three months into office?

He kept Republicans out of office.  You see how grateful the rest of the world was?

That was pretty much the reason he won. Bush and his policies were universally hated so the world was grateful when he was gone and McCain didn't win. The rest of the world got sick of Cowboy Diplomacy.

It's also why the GOP and their supporters keep projecting the "US has no respect in the world anymore", because they kept trying to overlook the fact the US had little respect around the world when they were in charge.

That all being said, I don't think Obama deserved it that early.


This is why you look so arrogant and stupid. You try and tell the rest of the world what they think.
 
2014-03-03 11:23:38 PM  

LordJiro: Instead of whining about it, Republicans should have taken a step back and taken a good long look at themselves, to see why the rest of the world was so farking happy that they were out of power. But nope, they doubled down.


I find it so funny when they say that the US has lost respect across the world with Obama in charge while overlooking the fact that the world had even less respect for us when Bush and the GOP were in charge.
 
2014-03-03 11:23:40 PM  

Tatterdemalian: Darth_Lukecash: You are now farkied as an unpatriotic troll.  One thing you can say about Democrats, is that when there is a crisis, they do line up behind whomever the President is, even if they disagree with the methods, they ultimately support the President.You can't say that about party line conservatives.

Calling dissenters unpatriotic: It's Okay When WE Do It!

/remember when dissent was the highest form of patriotism?
//or so Mochael Moore kept proclaiming
///it might actually depend on whether you're doing it right, or doing it wrong


Hypocrisy swings both ways.  Conservatives demanded complete obedience to The President.

Here are my criteria.

1) I do not blame Presidents for any situations that happened outside US borders.  They are not demigods. They can't control the world.

I never blamed George W. Bush for 911.  Gore could have been in power and the Terrorist still may have been able to pull it off.

2) You can oppose Obamas methods or processes. That's fair game.

I did not opposeAfghanistan War.  I did oppose the tactics aftwards.  I opposed the Iraq war because the history and reasons given were not sound.  Never did I blame conservatives or the Republican Party as the only guilty ones.  The Democratic Party gave their approval.  I blamed the ENTIRE government for those clusterfarks.

3) Do not make this a party or ideology complaint. This isn't an ideology debate- its people making bad decisions.


4) Bush made the argument that he had to have the ability to go to war, at a moments notice, so Congress gave him that ability.  Should not Obama have that sameconsideration if he needs to negotiate with Putin?
 
2014-03-03 11:23:57 PM  

Agatha Crispy: demaL-demaL-yeH: Agatha Crispy: LordJiro: Agatha Crispy: Epic Fap Session: How about one of you omniscient, patriotic experts on foreign relations educate the rest of us as to how President Romney would have acted to neutralize the Putin threat?

He doesn't have a Nobel Peace Prize to shake so the magic answer appears on the bottom.

So you're implying that nobody EVER should have received a Nobel Peace Prize? Because guess what? EVERY SINGLE PEACE PRIZE WINNER LIVED WHILE NON-PEACEFUL SHIAT HAPPENED.

Every single Nobel Peace Prize winner actually did something to win it. What did your President do to deserve a Nobel Peace Prize three months into office?

Theodore Roosevelt was another Nobel Peace Laureate. After conquering the Philippines. Your point?

Do you have mental deficiencies? Are you illiterate? President Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize three months into office for .......come on.....finish the sentence for us......


http://nobelpeaceprize.org/en_GB/laureates/laureates-2009/announce-2 00 9/
 
2014-03-03 11:24:47 PM  

Agatha Crispy: LordJiro: Agatha Crispy: rohar: Agatha Crispy: LordJiro: Agatha Crispy: Epic Fap Session: How about one of you omniscient, patriotic experts on foreign relations educate the rest of us as to how President Romney would have acted to neutralize the Putin threat?

He doesn't have a Nobel Peace Prize to shake so the magic answer appears on the bottom.

So you're implying that nobody EVER should have received a Nobel Peace Prize? Because guess what? EVERY SINGLE PEACE PRIZE WINNER LIVED WHILE NON-PEACEFUL SHIAT HAPPENED.

Every single Nobel Peace Prize winner actually did something to win it. What did your President do to deserve a Nobel Peace Prize three months into office?

He kept Republicans out of office.  You see how grateful the rest of the world was?

Yes, the dead wedding parties in Yemen are overjoyed.

The hundreds of thousands, if not more, of Iranian civilians that would have been killed in the Iranian war McCain and Romney were dead-set on certainly are. As are the tens of thousands, if not more, American soldiers that would have died.

Guess what, farknut? The rest of the world is tired of having civilians killed in their sovereign countries because of internal U.S. politics. So these people bury their children because somebody plugged in the wrong co-ordinates but at least nobody in America suffered.


And that's exactly why 'Republicans being out of power' was seen as worthy for a peace prize. Because an invasion of Iran would have caused many, many, MANY more civilian casualties than a drone campaign.
 
2014-03-03 11:25:14 PM  

Agatha Crispy: Mrtraveler01: rohar: Agatha Crispy: LordJiro: Agatha Crispy: Epic Fap Session: How about one of you omniscient, patriotic experts on foreign relations educate the rest of us as to how President Romney would have acted to neutralize the Putin threat?

He doesn't have a Nobel Peace Prize to shake so the magic answer appears on the bottom.

So you're implying that nobody EVER should have received a Nobel Peace Prize? Because guess what? EVERY SINGLE PEACE PRIZE WINNER LIVED WHILE NON-PEACEFUL SHIAT HAPPENED.

Every single Nobel Peace Prize winner actually did something to win it. What did your President do to deserve a Nobel Peace Prize three months into office?

He kept Republicans out of office.  You see how grateful the rest of the world was?

That was pretty much the reason he won. Bush and his policies were universally hated so the world was grateful when he was gone and McCain didn't win. The rest of the world got sick of Cowboy Diplomacy.

It's also why the GOP and their supporters keep projecting the "US has no respect in the world anymore", because they kept trying to overlook the fact the US had little respect around the world when they were in charge.

That all being said, I don't think Obama deserved it that early.

This is why you look so arrogant and stupid. You try and tell the rest of the world what they think.


So you're telling me that Bush and the GOP had a lot of respect in the world when they were in charge?

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.
 
2014-03-03 11:25:58 PM  

LordJiro: Agatha Crispy: demaL-demaL-yeH: Agatha Crispy: LordJiro: Agatha Crispy: Epic Fap Session: How about one of you omniscient, patriotic experts on foreign relations educate the rest of us as to how President Romney would have acted to neutralize the Putin threat?

He doesn't have a Nobel Peace Prize to shake so the magic answer appears on the bottom.

So you're implying that nobody EVER should have received a Nobel Peace Prize? Because guess what? EVERY SINGLE PEACE PRIZE WINNER LIVED WHILE NON-PEACEFUL SHIAT HAPPENED.

Every single Nobel Peace Prize winner actually did something to win it. What did your President do to deserve a Nobel Peace Prize three months into office?

Theodore Roosevelt was another Nobel Peace Laureate. After conquering the Philippines. Your point?

Do you have mental deficiencies? Are you illiterate? President Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize three months into office for .......come on.....finish the sentence for us......

Keeping the warmongers of the Republican Party out of office, thus averting an American invasion of Iran (with an attack on Syria next on the agenda), hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of deaths.

Instead of whining about it, Republicans should have taken a step back and taken a good long look at themselves, to see why the rest of the world was so farking happy that they were out of power. But nope, they doubled down.


"The world" is much more educated than you think. You nimrods keep calling one another names but the rest of the world knows there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats. Just different P.R. machines.
 
2014-03-03 11:26:33 PM  

Agatha Crispy: Mrtraveler01: rohar: Agatha Crispy: LordJiro: Agatha Crispy: Epic Fap Session: How about one of you omniscient, patriotic experts on foreign relations educate the rest of us as to how President Romney would have acted to neutralize the Putin threat?

He doesn't have a Nobel Peace Prize to shake so the magic answer appears on the bottom.

So you're implying that nobody EVER should have received a Nobel Peace Prize? Because guess what? EVERY SINGLE PEACE PRIZE WINNER LIVED WHILE NON-PEACEFUL SHIAT HAPPENED.

Every single Nobel Peace Prize winner actually did something to win it. What did your President do to deserve a Nobel Peace Prize three months into office?

He kept Republicans out of office.  You see how grateful the rest of the world was?

That was pretty much the reason he won. Bush and his policies were universally hated so the world was grateful when he was gone and McCain didn't win. The rest of the world got sick of Cowboy Diplomacy.

It's also why the GOP and their supporters keep projecting the "US has no respect in the world anymore", because they kept trying to overlook the fact the US had little respect around the world when they were in charge.

That all being said, I don't think Obama deserved it that early.

This is why you look so arrogant and stupid. You try and tell the rest of the world what they think.


Or, y'know, he paid attention to what the rest of the world was saying when Bush was telling everyone that they were cowards and terrorist-lovers for not supporting his little adventure in Iraq.
 
2014-03-03 11:28:54 PM  

Agatha Crispy: LordJiro: Agatha Crispy: demaL-demaL-yeH: Agatha Crispy: LordJiro: Agatha Crispy: Epic Fap Session: How about one of you omniscient, patriotic experts on foreign relations educate the rest of us as to how President Romney would have acted to neutralize the Putin threat?

He doesn't have a Nobel Peace Prize to shake so the magic answer appears on the bottom.

So you're implying that nobody EVER should have received a Nobel Peace Prize? Because guess what? EVERY SINGLE PEACE PRIZE WINNER LIVED WHILE NON-PEACEFUL SHIAT HAPPENED.

Every single Nobel Peace Prize winner actually did something to win it. What did your President do to deserve a Nobel Peace Prize three months into office?

Theodore Roosevelt was another Nobel Peace Laureate. After conquering the Philippines. Your point?

Do you have mental deficiencies? Are you illiterate? President Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize three months into office for .......come on.....finish the sentence for us......

Keeping the warmongers of the Republican Party out of office, thus averting an American invasion of Iran (with an attack on Syria next on the agenda), hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of deaths.

Instead of whining about it, Republicans should have taken a step back and taken a good long look at themselves, to see why the rest of the world was so farking happy that they were out of power. But nope, they doubled down.

"The world" is much more educated than you think. You nimrods keep calling one another names but the rest of the world knows there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats. Just different P.R. machines.


Yeah yeah yeah, BSABSVR. We've heard that nonsense before.
 
2014-03-03 11:29:10 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Tatterdemalian: Darth_Lukecash: You are now farkied as an unpatriotic troll.  One thing you can say about Democrats, is that when there is a crisis, they do line up behind whomever the President is, even if they disagree with the methods, they ultimately support the President.You can't say that about party line conservatives.

Calling dissenters unpatriotic: It's Okay When WE Do It!

/remember when dissent was the highest form of patriotism?
//or so Mochael Moore kept proclaiming
///it might actually depend on whether you're doing it right, or doing it wrong

Hypocrisy swings both ways.  Conservatives demanded complete obedience to The President.

Here are my criteria.

1) I do not blame Presidents for any situations that happened outside US borders.  They are not demigods. They can't control the world.

I never blamed George W. Bush for 911.  Gore could have been in power and the Terrorist still may have been able to pull it off.

2) You can oppose Obamas methods or processes. That's fair game.

I did not opposeAfghanistan War.  I did oppose the tactics aftwards.  I opposed the Iraq war because the history and reasons given were not sound.  Never did I blame conservatives or the Republican Party as the only guilty ones.  The Democratic Party gave their approval.  I blamed the ENTIRE government for those clusterfarks.

3) Do not make this a party or ideology complaint. This isn't an ideology debate- its people making bad decisions.


4) Bush made the argument that he had to have the ability to go to war, at a moments notice, so Congress gave him that ability.  Should not Obama have that sameconsideration if he needs to negotiate with Putin?


You are now favorited as someone who, even if I disagree with, actually uses salient facts. But I thought Obama already has the War Powers Act? Did that change?
 
2014-03-03 11:29:27 PM  

rohar: PewterPirate55: rohar: PewterPirate55: Mrtraveler01:

Still nothing. I know its hard for conservatives to grasp such things but try...

What should have been done with Ukraine?

Ironic a liberal shill trolling for solutions when pointing and laughing and denying that Russia is a geo political foe in 2008 and 2012 got us here ... I have a solution let people that actually know what the problems are deal with them instead of pointing and laughing to win elections.  I'd rather vote for the guy that acknowledges the problem he might be looking for a solution the other guy get's blindsided just like the POTUS did.

Just to be clear, you're supporting intervention in the situation of some sort?  Either economically or militarily?  Maybe just push politically in Ukraine's favor through the UN?
remove China And Russia from G8 EU cuts off buying Oil from Russia... Show of support from US impose impose tariffs on all imported Chinese goods. China would drop support for Russia real quick.  Russia will wither economically without petrol dollars flowing from Europe ... meanwhile concede Crimea to Russia but admit the rest of the Ukraine to Nato and the EU and fortify the borders in eastern Europe and move missile defense into all eastern European members of NATO.  Draw the line instead of denying the threat.

All of this to help out a country that's continuing to sell advanced anti tank and anti aircraft weapons to Iran?  Have you lost your neocon mind?  WTF dude?

/baggers snuggling up to the "axis of evil"
//never woulda thunk


there you go again lobbing names instead of offering solutions.

Obama has the walk softly portion of Teddy down to an art but Putin is beating him at waving the big stick.
 
2014-03-03 11:31:17 PM  

PewterPirate55: Obama has the walk softly portion of Teddy down to an art but Putin is beating him at waving the big stick.


If you're going to be snarky, at least get the farking saying right.
 
2014-03-03 11:31:56 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Agatha Crispy: Mrtraveler01: rohar: Agatha Crispy: LordJiro: Agatha Crispy: Epic Fap Session: How about one of you omniscient, patriotic experts on foreign relations educate the rest of us as to how President Romney would have acted to neutralize the Putin threat?

He doesn't have a Nobel Peace Prize to shake so the magic answer appears on the bottom.

So you're implying that nobody EVER should have received a Nobel Peace Prize? Because guess what? EVERY SINGLE PEACE PRIZE WINNER LIVED WHILE NON-PEACEFUL SHIAT HAPPENED.

Every single Nobel Peace Prize winner actually did something to win it. What did your President do to deserve a Nobel Peace Prize three months into office?

He kept Republicans out of office.  You see how grateful the rest of the world was?

That was pretty much the reason he won. Bush and his policies were universally hated so the world was grateful when he was gone and McCain didn't win. The rest of the world got sick of Cowboy Diplomacy.

It's also why the GOP and their supporters keep projecting the "US has no respect in the world anymore", because they kept trying to overlook the fact the US had little respect around the world when they were in charge.

That all being said, I don't think Obama deserved it that early.

This is why you look so arrogant and stupid. You try and tell the rest of the world what they think.

So you're telling me that Bush and the GOP had a lot of respect in the world when they were in charge?

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.


Just as much respect as Obama has....very little. But I can tell you most people I know thought Bush was just a dumb son of another president while many more feel Obama is calculating and arrogant.
 
2014-03-03 11:34:21 PM  

LordJiro: Agatha Crispy: LordJiro: Agatha Crispy: demaL-demaL-yeH: Agatha Crispy: LordJiro: Agatha Crispy: Epic Fap Session: How about one of you omniscient, patriotic experts on foreign relations educate the rest of us as to how President Romney would have acted to neutralize the Putin threat?

He doesn't have a Nobel Peace Prize to shake so the magic answer appears on the bottom.

So you're implying that nobody EVER should have received a Nobel Peace Prize? Because guess what? EVERY SINGLE PEACE PRIZE WINNER LIVED WHILE NON-PEACEFUL SHIAT HAPPENED.

Every single Nobel Peace Prize winner actually did something to win it. What did your President do to deserve a Nobel Peace Prize three months into office?

Theodore Roosevelt was another Nobel Peace Laureate. After conquering the Philippines. Your point?

Do you have mental deficiencies? Are you illiterate? President Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize three months into office for .......come on.....finish the sentence for us......

Keeping the warmongers of the Republican Party out of office, thus averting an American invasion of Iran (with an attack on Syria next on the agenda), hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of deaths.

Instead of whining about it, Republicans should have taken a step back and taken a good long look at themselves, to see why the rest of the world was so farking happy that they were out of power. But nope, they doubled down.

"The world" is much more educated than you think. You nimrods keep calling one another names but the rest of the world knows there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats. Just different P.R. machines.

Yeah yeah yeah, BSABSVR. We've heard that nonsense before.


Really don't know what that means and don't really care. You should go down to Wal-Mart and get some more potato chips.
 
2014-03-03 11:34:56 PM  
PewterPirate55:

Obama has the walk softly portion of Teddy down to an art but Putin is beating him at waving the big stick.

I thought that Russia made that illegal?
 
2014-03-03 11:35:53 PM  

Mrtraveler01: PewterPirate55: Obama has the walk softly portion of Teddy down to an art but Putin is beating him at waving the big stick.

If you're going to be snarky, at least get the farking saying right.


so which are you troll or shill?
 
2014-03-03 11:36:24 PM  

Agatha Crispy: Just as much respect as Obama has....very little. But I can tell you most people I know thought Bush was just a dumb son of another president while many more feel Obama is calculating and arrogant.


I've seen the stupidity of the Australian Tea Party.
I did not expect for there to be a Portuguese Tea Party chapter.
/BSAB, Really?
 
2014-03-03 11:36:39 PM  

PewterPirate55: rohar: PewterPirate55: rohar: PewterPirate55: Mrtraveler01:

Still nothing. I know its hard for conservatives to grasp such things but try...

What should have been done with Ukraine?

Ironic a liberal shill trolling for solutions when pointing and laughing and denying that Russia is a geo political foe in 2008 and 2012 got us here ... I have a solution let people that actually know what the problems are deal with them instead of pointing and laughing to win elections.  I'd rather vote for the guy that acknowledges the problem he might be looking for a solution the other guy get's blindsided just like the POTUS did.

Just to be clear, you're supporting intervention in the situation of some sort?  Either economically or militarily?  Maybe just push politically in Ukraine's favor through the UN?
remove China And Russia from G8 EU cuts off buying Oil from Russia... Show of support from US impose impose tariffs on all imported Chinese goods. China would drop support for Russia real quick.  Russia will wither economically without petrol dollars flowing from Europe ... meanwhile concede Crimea to Russia but admit the rest of the Ukraine to Nato and the EU and fortify the borders in eastern Europe and move missile defense into all eastern European members of NATO.  Draw the line instead of denying the threat.

All of this to help out a country that's continuing to sell advanced anti tank and anti aircraft weapons to Iran?  Have you lost your neocon mind?  WTF dude?

/baggers snuggling up to the "axis of evil"
//never woulda thunk

there you go again lobbing names instead of offering solutions.

Obama has the walk softly portion of Teddy down to an art but Putin is beating him at waving the big stick.


Again?  I've been keeping count, so far that's once.

Beating Obama?  How?  They invaded a country that's been supplying weapons to our "enemies".  On that level, he did us a solid.  Beyond that, he gave us the opportunity to take out a large trading competitor in Russia.  Before this is over, we'll double our foreign customers for petrochemicals and we'll make a fortune on commodities.

China's tepid on this whole mess.  No need to touch them.  Meanwhile the administration is already putting all of your goals in to place with the exception of conceding Crimea.  Given that, what exactly is your criticism of this administration?
 
2014-03-03 11:38:49 PM  

PewterPirate55: Mrtraveler01: PewterPirate55: Obama has the walk softly portion of Teddy down to an art but Putin is beating him at waving the big stick.

If you're going to be snarky, at least get the farking saying right.

so which are you troll or shill?


I'm a guy on Fark. What does that fall under?
 
2014-03-03 11:40:18 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Agatha Crispy: Just as much respect as Obama has....very little. But I can tell you most people I know thought Bush was just a dumb son of another president while many more feel Obama is calculating and arrogant.

I've seen the stupidity of the Australian Tea Party.
I did not expect for there to be a Portuguese Tea Party chapter.
/BSAB, Really?


It goes back decades, maybe centuries.  I visited Portugal a few times as a teen.  They've got folks that could teach derp to the Tea Party.
 
2014-03-03 11:40:30 PM  

rohar: PewterPirate55: rohar: PewterPirate55: rohar: PewterPirate55: Mrtraveler01:

Still nothing. I know its hard for conservatives to grasp such things but try...

What should have been done with Ukraine?

Ironic a liberal shill trolling for solutions when pointing and laughing and denying that Russia is a geo political foe in 2008 and 2012 got us here ... I have a solution let people that actually know what the problems are deal with them instead of pointing and laughing to win elections.  I'd rather vote for the guy that acknowledges the problem he might be looking for a solution the other guy get's blindsided just like the POTUS did.

Just to be clear, you're supporting intervention in the situation of some sort?  Either economically or militarily?  Maybe just push politically in Ukraine's favor through the UN?
remove China And Russia from G8 EU cuts off buying Oil from Russia... Show of support from US impose impose tariffs on all imported Chinese goods. China would drop support for Russia real quick.  Russia will wither economically without petrol dollars flowing from Europe ... meanwhile concede Crimea to Russia but admit the rest of the Ukraine to Nato and the EU and fortify the borders in eastern Europe and move missile defense into all eastern European members of NATO.  Draw the line instead of denying the threat.

All of this to help out a country that's continuing to sell advanced anti tank and anti aircraft weapons to Iran?  Have you lost your neocon mind?  WTF dude?

/baggers snuggling up to the "axis of evil"
//never woulda thunk

there you go again lobbing names instead of offering solutions.

Obama has the walk softly portion of Teddy down to an art but Putin is beating him at waving the big stick.

Again?  I've been keeping count, so far that's once.

Beating Obama?  How?  They invaded a country that's been supplying weapons to our "enemies".  On that level, he did us a solid.  Beyond that, he gave us the opportunity to take out a large trading competito ...


They really want to think that the same thing wouldn't have happened if President Romney was running things...although in actuality they probably would have.
 
2014-03-03 11:40:40 PM  

Agatha Crispy: LordJiro: Agatha Crispy: Epic Fap Session: How about one of you omniscient, patriotic experts on foreign relations educate the rest of us as to how President Romney would have acted to neutralize the Putin threat?

He doesn't have a Nobel Peace Prize to shake so the magic answer appears on the bottom.

So you're implying that nobody EVER should have received a Nobel Peace Prize? Because guess what? EVERY SINGLE PEACE PRIZE WINNER LIVED WHILE NON-PEACEFUL SHIAT HAPPENED.

Every single Nobel Peace Prize winner actually did something to win it. What did your President do to deserve a Nobel Peace Prize three months into office?


President Obama himself said that he did not deserve the award, though that's SOP with the Nobel Peace Prize.  The people who awarded it to him probably did so in advance, thinking that he was going to usher in an era of peace -- or at least not-Dubya -- and in that they were mistaken.  His real achievement was to show that in a democracy, a member of a disadvantaged minority could rise to the highest office in his country -- a lesson that perhaps the Crimean Russians could have taken instead of crying for Uncle Vlad to invade.
 
2014-03-03 11:41:51 PM  

Mrtraveler01: They really want to think that the same thing wouldn't have happened if President Romney was running things...although in actuality they probably would have.


We'd already be attacking.  To defend a country supplying our problems.  Fugh.
 
2014-03-03 11:43:09 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Agatha Crispy: Just as much respect as Obama has....very little. But I can tell you most people I know thought Bush was just a dumb son of another president while many more feel Obama is calculating and arrogant.

I've seen the stupidity of the Australian Tea Party.
I did not expect for there to be a Portuguese Tea Party chapter.
/BSAB, Really?


This is why America is so sad. Other countries have coalition governments, citizens often change every election depending on platform. But not America, you must wear labels and regardless of how the government screws up you must defend it if it has the same label. And anyone not wearing you're label is evil even if they do the exact same thing as your candidate did. And nobody knows or cares about your BSAB bullshiat. They care about being spied upon or getting hit with a drone. So you go ahead and watch whatever news channel wears your label but I have to go to bed, sad little political puppet.
 
2014-03-03 11:44:12 PM  

rohar: PewterPirate55: rohar: PewterPirate55: rohar: PewterPirate55: Mrtraveler01:

Still nothing. I know its hard for conservatives to grasp such things but try...

What should have been done with Ukraine?

Ironic a liberal shill trolling for solutions when pointing and laughing and denying that Russia is a geo political foe in 2008 and 2012 got us here ... I have a solution let people that actually know what the problems are deal with them instead of pointing and laughing to win elections.  I'd rather vote for the guy that acknowledges the problem he might be looking for a solution the other guy get's blindsided just like the POTUS did.

Just to be clear, you're supporting intervention in the situation of some sort?  Either economically or militarily?  Maybe just push politically in Ukraine's favor through the UN?
remove China And Russia from G8 EU cuts off buying Oil from Russia... Show of support from US impose impose tariffs on all imported Chinese goods. China would drop support for Russia real quick.  Russia will wither economically without petrol dollars flowing from Europe ... meanwhile concede Crimea to Russia but admit the rest of the Ukraine to Nato and the EU and fortify the borders in eastern Europe and move missile defense into all eastern European members of NATO.  Draw the line instead of denying the threat.

All of this to help out a country that's continuing to sell advanced anti tank and anti aircraft weapons to Iran?  Have you lost your neocon mind?  WTF dude?

/baggers snuggling up to the "axis of evil"
//never woulda thunk

there you go again lobbing names instead of offering solutions.

Obama has the walk softly portion of Teddy down to an art but Putin is beating him at waving the big stick.

Again?  I've been keeping count, so far that's once.

Beating Obama?  How?  They invaded a country that's been supplying weapons to our "enemies".  On that level, he did us a solid.  Beyond that, he gave us the opportunity to take out a large trading competito ...


denying it was an issue in the first place...  how about being proactive instead of reactive ... If dumbass Palin can even tell that the Ukraine is the next target after Georgia how about saying hmmm what can we do to make sure it doesnt happen ...  FWIW I hate you for making me admit Palin was right for once ... I now must cleanse my soul.
 
2014-03-03 11:44:47 PM  

PewterPirate55: Ironic a liberal shill trolling for solutions when pointing and laughing and denying that Russia is a geo political foe in 2008 and 2012 got us here ... I have a solution let people that actually know what the problems are deal with them instead of pointing and laughing to win elections. I'd rather vote for the guy that acknowledges the problem he might be looking for a solution the other guy get's blindsided just like the POTUS did.


If you honestly believe that chest-thumping by Presidents McCain or Romney would deter Putin, then you don't understand the guy at all.  He believes that he's the smartest man in the room and that it is his mission to act as a counterweight to US power.  He's KGB.  He is not going to be intimidated by a doddering old man or a trust fund baby any more than he was by W.  Obama didn't set up this situation, Putin did, he was just waiting for the opportunity to execute the plan.
 
2014-03-03 11:46:06 PM  

Agatha Crispy: This is why America is so sad. Other countries have coalition governments


Because we don't have a Parliamentary system.
 
2014-03-03 11:47:41 PM  

Mentat: PewterPirate55: Ironic a liberal shill trolling for solutions when pointing and laughing and denying that Russia is a geo political foe in 2008 and 2012 got us here ... I have a solution let people that actually know what the problems are deal with them instead of pointing and laughing to win elections. I'd rather vote for the guy that acknowledges the problem he might be looking for a solution the other guy get's blindsided just like the POTUS did.

If you honestly believe that chest-thumping by Presidents McCain or Romney would deter Putin, then you don't understand the guy at all.  He believes that he's the smartest man in the room and that it is his mission to act as a counterweight to US power.  He's KGB.  He is not going to be intimidated by a doddering old man or a trust fund baby any more than he was by W.  Obama didn't set up this situation, Putin did, he was just waiting for the opportunity to execute the plan.


Yeah, Putin doesn't give a shiat what we think. He's determined to create Soviet Union II: Electric Boogaloo regardless of our stance on it.

Just look at how intimidated Putin was by Bush when he invaded Georgia.
 
2014-03-03 11:48:06 PM  

PewterPirate55: rohar: PewterPirate55: rohar: PewterPirate55: rohar: PewterPirate55: Mrtraveler01:

Still nothing. I know its hard for conservatives to grasp such things but try...

What should have been done with Ukraine?

Ironic a liberal shill trolling for solutions when pointing and laughing and denying that Russia is a geo political foe in 2008 and 2012 got us here ... I have a solution let people that actually know what the problems are deal with them instead of pointing and laughing to win elections.  I'd rather vote for the guy that acknowledges the problem he might be looking for a solution the other guy get's blindsided just like the POTUS did.

Just to be clear, you're supporting intervention in the situation of some sort?  Either economically or militarily?  Maybe just push politically in Ukraine's favor through the UN?
remove China And Russia from G8 EU cuts off buying Oil from Russia... Show of support from US impose impose tariffs on all imported Chinese goods. China would drop support for Russia real quick.  Russia will wither economically without petrol dollars flowing from Europe ... meanwhile concede Crimea to Russia but admit the rest of the Ukraine to Nato and the EU and fortify the borders in eastern Europe and move missile defense into all eastern European members of NATO.  Draw the line instead of denying the threat.

All of this to help out a country that's continuing to sell advanced anti tank and anti aircraft weapons to Iran?  Have you lost your neocon mind?  WTF dude?

/baggers snuggling up to the "axis of evil"
//never woulda thunk

there you go again lobbing names instead of offering solutions.

Obama has the walk softly portion of Teddy down to an art but Putin is beating him at waving the big stick.

Again?  I've been keeping count, so far that's once.

Beating Obama?  How?  They invaded a country that's been supplying weapons to our "enemies".  On that level, he did us a solid.  Beyond that, he gave us the opportunity to take out a large trading co ...


Why would we prevent it?  You're assuming it's existence is in our best interest.  I'd suggest that's questionable at best.
 
2014-03-03 11:48:13 PM  
Uh oh...  it appears that with the pull back in US leadership in the world...  the Fark Circle the Wagons and Protect Obama (FCWPO)  crowd is struggling to fill the void left behind.

What should Obama DO?

he he... too funny.
 
2014-03-03 11:49:50 PM  

netcentric: Uh oh...  it appears that with the pull back in US leadership in the world...


Heh...thats funny. You assume the US still had leadership in the world prior to Obama taking office.
 
2014-03-03 11:50:08 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Mentat: PewterPirate55: Ironic a liberal shill trolling for solutions when pointing and laughing and denying that Russia is a geo political foe in 2008 and 2012 got us here ... I have a solution let people that actually know what the problems are deal with them instead of pointing and laughing to win elections. I'd rather vote for the guy that acknowledges the problem he might be looking for a solution the other guy get's blindsided just like the POTUS did.

If you honestly believe that chest-thumping by Presidents McCain or Romney would deter Putin, then you don't understand the guy at all.  He believes that he's the smartest man in the room and that it is his mission to act as a counterweight to US power.  He's KGB.  He is not going to be intimidated by a doddering old man or a trust fund baby any more than he was by W.  Obama didn't set up this situation, Putin did, he was just waiting for the opportunity to execute the plan.

Yeah, Putin doesn't give a shiat what we think. He's determined to create Soviet Union II: Electric Boogaloo regardless of our stance on it.

Just look at how intimidated Putin was by Bush when he invaded Georgia.


Then farking nuke Moscow and be done with it.
 
2014-03-03 11:52:37 PM  
Mrtraveler01: Mentat: PewterPirate55: Ironic a liberal shill trolling for solutions when pointing and laughing and denying that Russia is a geo political foe in 2008 and 2012 got us here ... I have a solution let people that actually know what the problems are deal with them instead of pointing and laughing to win elections. I'd rather vote for the guy that acknowledges the problem he might be looking for a solution the other guy get's blindsided just like the POTUS did.

If you honestly believe that chest-thumping by Presidents McCain or Romney would deter Putin, then you don't understand the guy at all.  He believes that he's the smartest man in the room and that it is his mission to act as a counterweight to US power.  He's KGB.  He is not going to be intimidated by a doddering old man or a trust fund baby any more than he was by W.  Obama didn't set up this situation, Putin did, he was just waiting for the opportunity to execute the plan.

Yeah, Putin doesn't give a shiat what we think. He's determined to create Soviet Union II: Electric Boogaloo regardless of our stance on it.

Just look at how intimidated Putin was by Bush when he invaded Georgia.

Fear makes one think twice whn your opponent is weak there is no fear project power drw red lines and be willing to follow thru. The cold war kept Russia in check if it takes another one so be it but damn dont let another Iron curtain descend on Eastern Europe.
 
2014-03-03 11:56:02 PM  

PewterPirate55: The cold war kept Russia in check if it takes another one so be it but damn dont let another Iron curtain descend on Eastern Europe.


No...no it didn't. If anything, it resulted in the USSR getting so carried away with the spending and the overall Cold War against the US that it collapsed under its own weight as a result of it.

That and Gorbechov and Glasnost had its own fair share, but the Cold War didn't keep anything in check.
 
2014-03-03 11:56:40 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Mentat: PewterPirate55: Ironic a liberal shill trolling for solutions when pointing and laughing and denying that Russia is a geo political foe in 2008 and 2012 got us here ... I have a solution let people that actually know what the problems are deal with them instead of pointing and laughing to win elections. I'd rather vote for the guy that acknowledges the problem he might be looking for a solution the other guy get's blindsided just like the POTUS did.

If you honestly believe that chest-thumping by Presidents McCain or Romney would deter Putin, then you don't understand the guy at all.  He believes that he's the smartest man in the room and that it is his mission to act as a counterweight to US power.  He's KGB.  He is not going to be intimidated by a doddering old man or a trust fund baby any more than he was by W.  Obama didn't set up this situation, Putin did, he was just waiting for the opportunity to execute the plan.

Yeah, Putin doesn't give a shiat what we think. He's determined to create Soviet Union II: Electric Boogaloo regardless of our stance on it.

Just look at how intimidated Putin was by Bush when he invaded Georgia.


Which just goes to show that Putin isn't particularly bright. There is no way, given Russia's current economy, and the way the world stage has evolved since the Cold War, that a new USSR could survive. Once again, Russia couldn't even get its shiat together enough to pretty up the Olympic host city; if Putin seriously tries to re-form the USSR, it'll collapse faster than a cartoon soufflé.
 
2014-03-04 12:05:09 AM  

Mrtraveler01: PewterPirate55: The cold war kept Russia in check if it takes another one so be it but damn dont let another Iron curtain descend on Eastern Europe.

No...no it didn't. If anything, it resulted in the USSR getting so carried away with the spending and the overall Cold War against the US that it collapsed under its own weight as a result of it.

That and Gorbechov and Glasnost had its own fair share, but the Cold War didn't keep anything in check.


by in check I mean they knew there was a united front against them against any imperialistic ideas it wasn't always militarily but the knew where that line was and didn't cross it. I ask you now where is that line now? My point is draw it now stop their expansion before they can get the band back together.
 
2014-03-04 12:07:48 AM  

Agatha Crispy: demaL-demaL-yeH: Agatha Crispy: Just as much respect as Obama has....very little. But I can tell you most people I know thought Bush was just a dumb son of another president while many more feel Obama is calculating and arrogant.

I've seen the stupidity of the Australian Tea Party.
I did not expect for there to be a Portuguese Tea Party chapter.
/BSAB, Really?

This is why America is so sad. Other countries have coalition governments, citizens often change every election depending on platform. But not America, you must wear labels and regardless of how the government screws up you must defend it if it has the same label. And anyone not wearing you're label is evil even if they do the exact same thing as your candidate did. And nobody knows or cares about your BSAB bullshiat. They care about being spied upon or getting hit with a drone. So you go ahead and watch whatever news channel wears your label but I have to go to bed, sad little political puppet.


What's disturbing about your assumptions is that there has been only one presidential election where I voted for a major party candidate. For congressional elections, I've tended to favor third party candidates, depending on their positions. The Republican Party took on the platform of the John Birch Society some time in the late 1970s after Ford's defeat. And that is an evil, hateful agenda. The Democratic Party responded to this tectonic shift by moving right, themselves.

What's most disturbing is that you suffer from the political blindness that you accuse me of having. Why would you worry about surveillance, since you seem to miss having the generals in charge?

I can hold my own in a political discussion, a political economy discussion, an economics discussion, or a history discussion. Let's have one of those, instead of this nonsense.

The Chinese are playing their own long game. They are against Russian expansionism, just as they are against American expansionism. They want to weaken us both: Russia, for Siberia. The US, for the Pacific Basin. They want India neutered. They have a huge population with staggeringly large resource needs, pollution problems that make rivers catching fire in the US look pristine, serious ethnic divisions, and an economy that lives and dies on exports.
 
2014-03-04 12:15:49 AM  

Agatha Crispy: Darth_Lukecash: Tatterdemalian: Darth_Lukecash: You are now farkied as an unpatriotic troll.  One thing you can say about Democrats, is that when there is a crisis, they do line up behind whomever the President is, even if they disagree with the methods, they ultimately support the President.You can't say that about party line conservatives.

Calling dissenters unpatriotic: It's Okay When WE Do It!

/remember when dissent was the highest form of patriotism?
//or so Mochael Moore kept proclaiming
///it might actually depend on whether you're doing it right, or doing it wrong

Hypocrisy swings both ways.  Conservatives demanded complete obedience to The President.

Here are my criteria.

1) I do not blame Presidents for any situations that happened outside US borders.  They are not demigods. They can't control the world.

I never blamed George W. Bush for 911.  Gore could have been in power and the Terrorist still may have been able to pull it off.

2) You can oppose Obamas methods or processes. That's fair game.

I did not opposeAfghanistan War.  I did oppose the tactics aftwards.  I opposed the Iraq war because the history and reasons given were not sound.  Never did I blame conservatives or the Republican Party as the only guilty ones.  The Democratic Party gave their approval.  I blamed the ENTIRE government for those clusterfarks.

3) Do not make this a party or ideology complaint. This isn't an ideology debate- its people making bad decisions.


4) Bush made the argument that he had to have the ability to go to war, at a moments notice, so Congress gave him that ability.  Should not Obama have that sameconsideration if he needs to negotiate with Putin?

You are now favorited as someone who, even if I disagree with, actually uses salient facts. But I thought Obama already has the War Powers Act? Did that change?


I will farkie you as the same.

Yes Obama has war power acts. Bush got war powers to use if he needed to go to war for a longer period of time.

Obama had taken some crap over Lybian action. And since Obama wants to lead differently, he will or should go to the congress before taking that drastic step.

Chances are, it won't go that far. They'll negotiate something that involves Ukraine getting split.
 
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