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(Mason City Globe Gazette)   It's all quiet in Iowa... Since they legalized silencers   (globegazette.com ) divider line
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2014-03-03 02:12:34 PM  
You see if one robber hears you kill his buddy he might just run away.
 
2014-03-03 02:15:12 PM  
Not quite, subby.

But suppressors are overrated in any case.  Unless you're using it to shoot indoors, in which case they're frigging awesome.
 
2014-03-03 02:22:41 PM  
44 states and of course the federal government allow you to own suppressors. This is not a big deal.

Despite what you see on TV they don't work on revolvers.
 
2014-03-03 02:33:17 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Not quite, subby.

But suppressors are overrated in any case.  Unless you're using it to shoot indoors, in which case they're frigging awesome.


I can see them being really useful in hunting applications just to save the hearing of the hunter.

feckingmorons: Despite what you see on TV they don't work on revolvers.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvF4yurWSc0

(The M1895 Nagant revolver moves the cylinder forward with the action; along with the unique cartridge design, this creates a gas seal and the revolver can be suppressed.)
 
2014-03-03 02:34:21 PM  
 "prime opportunity to expand the freedom and liberty Iowans deserve."

Jesus.  No, it's not.  It's just a chance for gun nuts to masturbate.
 
2014-03-03 02:38:02 PM  
Aren't they the shoulder thing that goes up?
 
2014-03-03 02:40:47 PM  

TwistedIvory: I can see them being really useful in hunting applications just to save the hearing of the hunter.


Here in PA they are illegal for hunting.  Go figure.
 
2014-03-03 02:42:12 PM  

TwistedIvory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvF4yurWSc0

(The M1895 Nagant revolver moves the cylinder forward with the action; along with the unique cartridge design, this creates a gas seal and the revolver can be suppressed.)


That was freaky.
 
2014-03-03 02:43:56 PM  
anybody know about how much it cost to modify a gun to accept a silencer?
 
2014-03-03 02:45:55 PM  

TwistedIvory: Marcus Aurelius: Not quite, subby.

But suppressors are overrated in any case.  Unless you're using it to shoot indoors, in which case they're frigging awesome.

I can see them being really useful in hunting applications just to save the hearing of the hunter.

feckingmorons: Despite what you see on TV they don't work on revolvers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvF4yurWSc0

(The M1895 Nagant revolver moves the cylinder forward with the action; along with the unique cartridge design, this creates a gas seal and the revolver can be suppressed.)


Well then it is technically not a revolver though things may revolve. My M1928A1 Tommy Gun can take a revolving drum magazine,but that doesn't make it a revolver either.
 
2014-03-03 02:46:46 PM  

plmyfngr: anybody know about how much it cost to modify a gun to accept a silencer?


Forty bucks
 
2014-03-03 02:49:51 PM  

plmyfngr: anybody know about how much it cost to modify a gun to accept a silencer?


Depends on the gun.  First you need to buy a threaded barrel.  You also need clearance from the ATF, and a dangerous device permit.  The suppressor itself typically runs $500 to $1000.  So all told it's typically a lot more than the gun cost to begin with.
 
wee
2014-03-03 02:54:26 PM  

plmyfngr: anybody know about how much it cost to modify a gun to accept a silencer?


A lot of guns already come with threaded barrels (my Sig P220 did).  And for some guns, you can buy an aftermarket threaded barrel.  I bought one for my 1911A1.  I think it cost $250.

The gunsmiths at my local place charge $125 to put threads on the end of a barrel, though if they have to relocate (or remove) the front sight, it can cost slightly more.  I have two rifles that are needing threads (a Ruger 10/22 Takedown and a Marlin Camp Carbine in .45).  Just a matter of getting off my ass and taking them in, really.

And though it might be obvious, you can put a suppressor on more than one gun.  The Form 4 you get back from the ATF applies to the suppressor, not what it gets attached to.  The exception is with certain guns that were made with non-removable suppressors.

Also, you can shoot more than one caliber through a suppressor.  I shoot .22 through a 9mm suppressor for example.  Not as quiet, but suppressors aren't 100% quiet to start with (though the 10/22 even with supersonic ammo is very, very quiet).
 
wee
2014-03-03 02:56:48 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: You also need clearance from the ATF, and a dangerous device permit.


Federally, all you need is that Form 4 from the ATF saying you paid the tax to have it transferred to you.  Does your state require a dangerous device permit as well?
 
2014-03-03 02:58:31 PM  

feckingmorons: Well then it is technically not a revolver though things may revolve. My M1928A1 Tommy Gun can take a revolving drum magazine,but that doesn't make it a revolver either.


No, pretty sure the M1895 is a revolver. Each of the 7 cartridges are loaded into the cylinder via loading gate. It is a DA or SA gun; pulling the trigger or hammer causes the cylinder to advance and lock into position, at which point the firing pin drops with continued (or applied, if you've engaged the hammer manually) trigger pressure. The clockwork is such that upon advancing the cylinder causes the cylinder to move forward and make a seal with the forcing cone. The cartridge itself is gas-sealed with the bullet head seated below the neck of the brass.

There's no bolt, no DA/SA action, cartridges are loaded into a revolving cylinder. . . dude, it's a revolver.

www.deactivated-guns.co.uk
www.jgsales.com
 
2014-03-03 03:07:37 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: plmyfngr: anybody know about how much it cost to modify a gun to accept a silencer?

Depends on the gun.  First you need to buy a threaded barrel.  You also need clearance from the ATF, and a dangerous device permit.  The suppressor itself typically runs $500 to $1000.  So all told it's typically a lot more than the gun cost to begin with.


You don't need any permission from the government to modify your gun for a silencer. You need to file a form 4 and pay the $200 tax to buy a silencer, your dealer with help you with this. If you have a gun trust you need not sign the certification on the form 4, this is solely for a machinegun, short-barreled rifle, short-barreled shotgun, or destructive device. A silencer is none of these.

If you don't have a gun trust (and why wouldn't you?) you still use the form 4 but you need 2 FBI fingerprint cards and the signature of your area's chief law enforcement officer.

The wait for form 4 according to the BATF is currently 9 months. (for paper forms, eforms are much quicker).
 
2014-03-03 03:07:42 PM  
Explain why this is "scary", subby.
 
2014-03-03 03:09:51 PM  

TwistedIvory: feckingmorons: Well then it is technically not a revolver though things may revolve. My M1928A1 Tommy Gun can take a revolving drum magazine,but that doesn't make it a revolver either.

No, pretty sure the M1895 is a revolver. Each of the 7 cartridges are loaded into the cylinder via loading gate. It is a DA or SA gun; pulling the trigger or hammer causes the cylinder to advance and lock into position, at which point the firing pin drops with continued (or applied, if you've engaged the hammer manually) trigger pressure. The clockwork is such that upon advancing the cylinder causes the cylinder to move forward and make a seal with the forcing cone. The cartridge itself is gas-sealed with the bullet head seated below the neck of the brass.

There's no bolt, no DA/SA action, cartridges are loaded into a revolving cylinder. . . dude, it's a revolver.

[www.deactivated-guns.co.uk image 740x443]
[www.jgsales.com image 850x566]


They are also about $250 on gunbroker.com I may just get one. I'm still not going to call it a revolver, but they are nifty.
 
2014-03-03 03:10:30 PM  

violentsalvation: Explain why this is "scary", subby.


Hey subby I own ~40 guns including a machine gun. Want to come over and go shooting?
 
2014-03-03 03:19:30 PM  

wee: Form 4 from the ATF saying you paid the tax


That very permit.  That's the one you need.  And you'll need to keep it with the device at all times.
 
2014-03-03 03:23:15 PM  

feckingmorons: I'm still not going to call it a revolver


So what would you call it then?  Because it sure likes as lot like every revolver I've ever seen.
 
2014-03-03 03:35:25 PM  
Except with subsonic .22's silencers reduce but do not eliminate the noise. Look at a couple of youtube videos.

A guy at the range had one on an AR-15. It was still quite load.
 
2014-03-03 03:35:40 PM  

clancifer: "prime opportunity to expand the freedom and liberty Iowans deserve."

Jesus.  No, it's not.  It's just a chance for gun nuts to masturbate.



And a chance for gun grabbers to get their fainting couches.
 
2014-03-03 03:38:20 PM  
Yeah, "silencers" dont work like in the movies or tv.
 
2014-03-03 03:39:42 PM  

smells_like_meat: Except with subsonic .22's silencers reduce but do not eliminate the noise. Look at a couple of youtube videos.

A guy at the range had one on an AR-15. It was still quite load.


Subsonic ammo is much quieter.  My 1911A1 with ball ammo makes as much noise cycling the slide and ejecting the casing than the round itself makes.  There's still an audible whump, though.
 
2014-03-03 03:46:58 PM  

feckingmorons: They are also about $250 on gunbroker.com I may just get one. I'm still not going to call it a revolver, but they are nifty.


I bought mine at J&G Sales several years ago; I think I paid something like $150. It's a neat, if not terribly practical, piece of history.

Ammo can be difficult to find at times, but you can reload using .30 carbine dies.

I'm not sure what you'd call it if you won't call it a revolver, but hey, that's your prerogative.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagant_M1895
 
wee
2014-03-03 04:05:42 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: That very permit. That's the one you need. And you'll need to keep it with the device at all times.


Yeah, I've got a small stack of them.  But they aren't permits, they're receipts that prove a tax was paid and the registry was updated.  The Form 4 even says on it that if a permit is required by some state or local law then it needs to be attached.  But it isn't itself a permit like, say, a Form 6 is.
 
2014-03-03 04:05:43 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: smells_like_meat: Except with subsonic .22's silencers reduce but do not eliminate the noise. Look at a couple of youtube videos.

A guy at the range had one on an AR-15. It was still quite load.

Subsonic ammo is much quieter.  My 1911A1 with ball ammo makes as much noise cycling the slide and ejecting the casing than the round itself makes.  There's still an audible whump, though.


I'd love to have something like a DeLisle carbine.  Apparently, they were quite quiet, which I can believe:  The .45 ACP is a subsonic round to begin with, and with that huge suppressor/barrel, that's got to absorb almost all of the gases.
 
2014-03-03 04:09:14 PM  

dittybopper: Marcus Aurelius: smells_like_meat: Except with subsonic .22's silencers reduce but do not eliminate the noise. Look at a couple of youtube videos.

A guy at the range had one on an AR-15. It was still quite load.

Subsonic ammo is much quieter.  My 1911A1 with ball ammo makes as much noise cycling the slide and ejecting the casing than the round itself makes.  There's still an audible whump, though.

I'd love to have something like a DeLisle carbine.  Apparently, they were quite quiet, which I can believe:  The .45 ACP is a subsonic round to begin with, and with that huge suppressor/barrel, that's got to absorb almost all of the gases.


Hey, you can buy them for just $2,500 (not including the NFA taxes, etc.).  Non-suppressed versions with a dummy suppressor are just $2,000.

http://www.valkyriearms.com/delisle.html
 
2014-03-03 04:13:42 PM  
Why is this scary to you, subby?

You realize criminals and soldiers ALREADY HAD THEM.

All this does is make ranges quieter. And only 20% quieter at that.
 
2014-03-03 04:16:51 PM  

wee: Marcus Aurelius: That very permit. That's the one you need. And you'll need to keep it with the device at all times.

Yeah, I've got a small stack of them.  But they aren't permits, they're receipts that prove a tax was paid and the registry was updated.  The Form 4 even says on it that if a permit is required by some state or local law then it needs to be attached.  But it isn't itself a permit like, say, a Form 6 is.


I stand corrected.
 
2014-03-03 04:18:17 PM  

feckingmorons: violentsalvation: Explain why this is "scary", subby.

Hey subby I own ~40 guns including a machine gun. Want to come over and go shooting?


Yes.
 
2014-03-03 04:19:38 PM  
The only people scared of suppressors are people who have no idea what a suppressor really is.

Rounds fired through a suppressor are still going to be 125 to 140db. Not exactly a mouse fart.

Stop believing what you see in movies and learn something before you go getting the vapors, Gertrude.
 
2014-03-03 04:19:53 PM  

dittybopper: dittybopper: Marcus Aurelius: smells_like_meat: Except with subsonic .22's silencers reduce but do not eliminate the noise. Look at a couple of youtube videos.

A guy at the range had one on an AR-15. It was still quite load.

Subsonic ammo is much quieter.  My 1911A1 with ball ammo makes as much noise cycling the slide and ejecting the casing than the round itself makes.  There's still an audible whump, though.

I'd love to have something like a DeLisle carbine.  Apparently, they were quite quiet, which I can believe:  The .45 ACP is a subsonic round to begin with, and with that huge suppressor/barrel, that's got to absorb almost all of the gases.

Hey, you can buy them for just $2,500 (not including the NFA taxes, etc.).  Non-suppressed versions with a dummy suppressor are just $2,000.

http://www.valkyriearms.com/delisle.html


That's different.  And I'm not sure I'd classify that gun as "rare" so much as "having extremely limited uses".

Good Lord that's a large suppressor.
 
2014-03-03 04:24:00 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: feckingmorons: I'm still not going to call it a revolver

So what would you call it then?  Because it sure likes as lot like every revolver I've ever seen.


Irving. I will call it Irving.

/you live in you're world and I'll live in mine
 
2014-03-03 04:24:45 PM  

feckingmorons: Marcus Aurelius: feckingmorons: I'm still not going to call it a revolver

So what would you call it then?  Because it sure likes as lot like every revolver I've ever seen.

Irving. I will call it Irving.

/you live in you're world and I'll live in mine


Damnitall your world
I blame the sudafed
and gin
 
2014-03-03 04:26:53 PM  
It's a goddamn revolver. Jesus.
 
2014-03-03 04:27:01 PM  

doglover: feckingmorons: violentsalvation: Explain why this is "scary", subby.

Hey subby I own ~40 guns including a machine gun. Want to come over and go shooting?

Yes.


OK Wyoming Antelope Club Saturday at 9
 
2014-03-03 04:28:41 PM  

feckingmorons: Marcus Aurelius: feckingmorons: I'm still not going to call it a revolver

So what would you call it then?  Because it sure likes as lot like every revolver I've ever seen.

Irving. I will call it Irving.

/you live in you're world and I'll live in mine


Irving it is, then.
 
2014-03-03 04:29:07 PM  

Calmamity: It's a goddamn revolver. Jesus.


Yes, OK.
 
2014-03-03 04:29:16 PM  

Calmamity: It's a goddamn revolver. Jesus.


Not anymore.  It's an Irving now.
 
2014-03-03 04:30:59 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Calmamity: It's a goddamn revolver. Jesus.

Not anymore.  It's an Irving now.


Finally! Some validation!
 
2014-03-03 04:35:59 PM  
If you don't have one yet (I don't) we missed out on the prime Irving gettin' time.  I remember seeing them tor $99. I didn't know enough about them at that time to know how cool they were.
 
2014-03-03 04:37:19 PM  
Scary tag?

Come on kids, get a life.
 
2014-03-03 04:38:52 PM  
Windschitl argued he could find no empirical evidence that there has been an increase in crime in the 39 states that already allow the purchase and use of suppressors.
"We shouldn't restrict freedom based on 'what if,'" he said.

Windschitl argued he could find no empirical evidence that there has been an increase in crime in the 39 states that already allow the purchase and use of suppressors.
"We shouldn't restrict freedom based on 'what if,'" he said.

Windschitl argued he could find no empirical evidence that there has been an increase in crime in the 39 states that already allow the purchase and use of suppressors.
"We shouldn't restrict freedom based on 'what if,'" he said.


THIS!
 
2014-03-03 04:38:57 PM  
becausemerica.com
 
2014-03-03 04:39:04 PM  
What does a silencer allow you to do that should give good reason for them to be illegal? Seems like another idiotic gun law with no real purpose.
 
2014-03-03 04:39:39 PM  
i1.ytimg.com
 
gja
2014-03-03 04:39:53 PM  

clancifer: "prime opportunity to expand the freedom and liberty Iowans deserve."

Jesus.  No, it's not.  It's just a chance for gun nuts to masturbate.


Wowee. Only 5 posts in and already it's penis time!
 
2014-03-03 04:40:48 PM  
Great, now criminals will go through legal channels to purchase silencers so they can rob a bank with guns that only make a dull *pew pew pew* sound.

THANKS OBAMA!
 
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