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2014-03-03 12:58:58 PM  
No, it's just stupid
 
2014-03-03 12:59:22 PM  
I don't even know why the NFL would want to touch this one. Regulating players' language on the field? As long as it's not caught on the mics, who cares?
 
2014-03-03 01:00:46 PM  

Freak: I don't even know why the NFL would want to touch this one. Regulating players' language on the field? As long as it's not caught on the mics, who cares?


Because some racists still think that skin color matters
 
2014-03-03 01:01:17 PM  
Only a racist thug would say banning the n-word is racist.
 
2014-03-03 01:03:34 PM  
Let's change the rules so the most politically correct teams win.
 
2014-03-03 01:04:15 PM  
Because some racists still think that skin color matters


Yeah! Only racists think that way.
 
2014-03-03 01:04:34 PM  
No. It's racist to ban ONE racial slur.
 
2014-03-03 01:05:00 PM  
"It's a common word in so many players' everyday lives," said Tennessee cornerback Jason McCourty. "Among African-American players and people, it's used among friends all the time. It seems like a bit much for the NFL to try to get rid of it. It's a pretty common word in the locker room, like 'man,' 'bro,' 'nubian.' But once a white person says it, it's a derogatory term."


*that's racist kid dot jpeg*
 
2014-03-03 01:05:42 PM  
In the NFL, you maybe might get a 15 yard penalty.  In the NBA, you get fined.  In the NHL, you get suspended.  In NASCAR, you get suspended.  In the English Premier League, you get suspended and also arrested and charged with a crime.
 
2014-03-03 01:06:18 PM  
Try  to ban racial slurs, subby. Act like you've used the language before.
 
2014-03-03 01:06:45 PM  
Go redskins
 
2014-03-03 01:07:12 PM  
But we can still call American Indian players "Redskins", right?
 
2014-03-03 01:07:27 PM  
That's retarded.
 
2014-03-03 01:11:45 PM  

meanmutton: In the NFL, you maybe might get a 15 yard penalty.  In the NBA, you get fined.  In the NHL, you get suspended.  In NASCAR, you get suspended.  In the English Premier League, you get suspended and also arrested and charged with a crime.


This. Thread over. All racial slurs should be banned in sports and any/everywhere else.

Grow up people.
 
2014-03-03 01:13:13 PM  
Riley Cooper.
 
2014-03-03 01:14:10 PM  

rickythepenguin: "It's a common word in so many players' everyday lives," said Tennessee cornerback Jason McCourty. "Among African-American players and people, it's used among friends all the time. It seems like a bit much for the NFL to try to get rid of it. It's a pretty common word in the locker room, like 'man,' 'bro,' 'nubian.' But once a white person says it, it's a derogatory term."


*that's racist kid dot jpeg*


I love how he's seemingly oblivious to the fact that what he's describing is separatism.
 
2014-03-03 01:16:50 PM  
If the players really disagree with it, they can take it upon themselves to make sure it is offsetting penalties.  If one team gets called for it, a player on the other team makes sure the refs hear them repeat the same offending word and the penalties cancel each other out.  I would love to see the league try to handle that.
 
2014-03-03 01:25:07 PM  

Freak: I don't even know why the NFL would want to touch this one. Regulating players' language on the field? As long as it's not caught on the mics, who cares?


Because it can be caught on the mics.  The NFL is putting more and more camera and microphones on the field, trying to make the game more interactive.  They also have saturated the male demographic, so they have to look to new ways to expand revenue.  Guess what that means?  A bigger push towards women and young children.  The women with a ton of disposable income (who the NFL will want to attract the most) are suburban white women in their late 20s to early 40s.  They are also people likely to be turned off to football by hearing the n word on TV.  It's all about the money.  I bet you the NFL wouldn't give a shiat about what players actually say if it couldn't affect their bottom line.
 
2014-03-03 01:25:14 PM  

Freak: I don't even know why the NFL would want to touch this one. Regulating players' language on the field? As long as it's not caught on the mics, who cares?


They want to mic up the entire sideline for every game.
 
2014-03-03 01:27:45 PM  

Freak: I don't even know why the NFL would want to touch this one. Regulating players' language on the field? As long as it's not caught on the mics, who cares?


They own everything that happens on the field All of it, and they want to monetize it. And that word is bad for business.
 
2014-03-03 01:32:23 PM  

sign_of_Zeta: The NFL is putting more and more camera and microphones on the field, trying to make the game more interactive.



i recall a few years back, some player said the NFL has a rule where you can't put curse words in play calls, like, you can't say "58 green x ray opposing player sucks cock!" and so on.  but it is always funny when the mics get something they shouldn't.  seems like once a sunday something gets through.
 
2014-03-03 01:33:08 PM  
Did the site crash for anyone else?

Also it's stupid to have penalties that affect the current game. Don't penalize a whole team for one guy's mouth during a game. Fine him out the ass afterward for all I care, but you'll have thousands of pissed off fans if their team loses because of a 15 yard setback due to someone getting pissed saying racist/curse words. Like meanmutton said, every other league fines them afterward. Affecting the current game is just going to leave a ton of pissed off fans.
 
2014-03-03 01:33:36 PM  
After the Richie Incognito thing, I'm surprised that we're having a discussion about it.  It turns out that, surprise surprise, there are black guys in the NFL who don't like having the n-word thrown at them.  It also turns out that the NFL is a place of employment and you kind of can't have a hostile environment.
 
2014-03-03 01:35:39 PM  
Hey, guys... while you are at work, we'd appreciate it if you didn't call your co-workers 'n****'.  Okay, thanks.
 
2014-03-03 01:35:54 PM  
WtF?  Using racial terms doesn't make anyone faster, larger, more able to catch the ball, or able to score than his/her competitor.  Leave the banter to the players.  They're the ones who have to deal with it.  Your time s better spent trying to elinimate use of banned substances.
 
2014-03-03 01:45:38 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: WtF?  Using racial terms doesn't make anyone faster, larger, more able to catch the ball, or able to score than his/her competitor.  Leave the banter to the players.  They're the ones who have to deal with it.  Your time s better spent trying to elinimate use of banned substances.


So anything goes if it's trash talk among players? Slurs are wrong and it's the stupidest insult you can make because you are insulting someone for something he has no control over(race, sexual preference, etc.)

If anything, banning slurs would force players to get more creative with their trash talk. Off the top of my head: "Your wife tastes like Honey Nut Cheerios."
 
2014-03-03 01:48:30 PM  

Cymbal: Dr Jack Badofsky: WtF?  Using racial terms doesn't make anyone faster, larger, more able to catch the ball, or able to score than his/her competitor.  Leave the banter to the players.  They're the ones who have to deal with it.  Your time s better spent trying to elinimate use of banned substances.

So anything goes if it's trash talk among players? Slurs are wrong and it's the stupidest insult you can make because you are insulting someone for something he has no control over(race, sexual preference, etc.)

If anything, banning slurs would force players to get more creative with their trash talk. Off the top of my head: "Your wife tastes like Honey Nut Cheerios."


Hey. Wife jokes off limits. However, your mom.
 
2014-03-03 01:48:44 PM  

Cymbal: meanmutton: In the NFL, you maybe might get a 15 yard penalty.  In the NBA, you get fined.  In the NHL, you get suspended.  In NASCAR, you get suspended.  In the English Premier League, you get suspended and also arrested and charged with a crime.

This. Thread over. All racial slurs should be banned in sports and any/everywhere else.

Grow up people.


As the Incognito events have shown us, NFL players are the most childish athletes in the sporting world.
 
2014-03-03 01:48:56 PM  

mootmah: No. It's racist to ban ONE racial slur.


Against whom?
 
2014-03-03 01:53:09 PM  

papatex: Riley Cooper.



*Shaking my meaty fist*

/Beat me to the punch.
 
2014-03-03 01:54:28 PM  
it's only ALMOST racist, says Mr. Sherman.  And why would they target the one word?  More than anything would it have to do with Riley Cooper and Richie Incognito?  Those are the most notorious uses of that word in football I can think of off the top of my head.
I'm guessing a league that seems to want an open mic on the field for their NFL films would like to rid themselves of all inappropriate language.  Who knows how, though.

/penalize the words "Omaha" and "Mike"
 
2014-03-03 01:55:54 PM  

steamingpile: Cymbal: meanmutton: In the NFL, you maybe might get a 15 yard penalty.  In the NBA, you get fined.  In the NHL, you get suspended.  In NASCAR, you get suspended.  In the English Premier League, you get suspended and also arrested and charged with a crime.

This. Thread over. All racial slurs should be banned in sports and any/everywhere else.

Grow up people.

As the Incognito events have shown us, NFL players are the most childish athletes in the sporting world.


So we shouldn't try to make them grow the fark up then? Or are you saying its impossible?

I disagree either way.
 
2014-03-03 01:57:47 PM  

sign_of_Zeta: Freak: I don't even know why the NFL would want to touch this one. Regulating players' language on the field? As long as it's not caught on the mics, who cares?

Because it can be caught on the mics.  The NFL is putting more and more camera and microphones on the field, trying to make the game more interactive.  They also have saturated the male demographic, so they have to look to new ways to expand revenue.  Guess what that means?  A bigger push towards women and young children.  The women with a ton of disposable income (who the NFL will want to attract the most) are suburban white women in their late 20s to early 40s.  They are also people likely to be turned off to football by hearing the n word on TV.  It's all about the money.  I bet you the NFL wouldn't give a shiat about what players actually say if it couldn't affect their bottom line.


I figured that it had to do with the increasing Disneyfying of the sport in order to appeal to wider demographics but I hadn't considered the increasing use of mics on the sidelines and even on players themselves. Which is dumb of me because I've watched plenty of vids of "X" player mic'd up and am a fan of the weekly sound clips segment. Never bothered me if they had to insert a few bleeps here or there though.
 
2014-03-03 02:00:28 PM  
I heard Wilbon make almost the same argument that Sherman makes.  Paraphrased, I think the argument goes "it's a terrible word that a white person should never use, but they should also not get to tell black people not to use it amongst themselves".  To my ears, this sounds like "it's a terrible word that a white person should never use, but it's not worth me making a small change to my own vocabulary to help eliminate it".

That seems rather petty and self-centered to me, considering the enormous personal sacrifices others have made in the battle for equality.
 
2014-03-03 02:07:50 PM  

Farnn: If the players really disagree with it, they can take it upon themselves to make sure it is offsetting penalties.  If one team gets called for it, a player on the other team makes sure the refs hear them repeat the same offending word and the penalties cancel each other out.  I would love to see the league try to handle that.


Would the refs come down harder on the second guy?  Not only is he violating the rules, but he's doing so insubordinately.  In soccer, that can make the difference between a yellow card and a red card, but I don't know what the deal is in football.
 
2014-03-03 02:08:02 PM  

RedZoneTuba: I heard Wilbon make almost the same argument that Sherman makes.  Paraphrased, I think the argument goes "it's a terrible word that a white person should never use, but they should also not get to tell black people not to use it amongst themselves".  To my ears, this sounds like "it's a terrible word that a white person should never use, but it's not worth me making a small change to my own vocabulary to help eliminate it".

That seems rather petty and self-centered to me, considering the enormous personal sacrifices others have made in the battle for equality.


No, the argument was more like:

It's farking ridiculous for a bunch of white guys (owners and Goodell) to legislate how black players talk "for their own good".

That IS racist.

And since the real impetus, as mentioned in this thread, is to mic the field more and make more money off of it, it's another example of framing an issue as a push for "equality" when the motivation is just selling more product.
 
2014-03-03 02:09:37 PM  
Sherman insisted that the N-word is not always used as a racial slur, especially among black players.
"It's in the locker room and on the field at all times," Sherman told themmqb.com. "I hear it almost every series out there on the field."


Maybe that's the point, asshole? Tell, you what... I'll come up and call you a N*****, just for shiats and giggles, let's see where it gets me. According to you, it's perfectly acceptable. Or do I have to be an NFL player first? Black? One of your buddies? Where's the line?

Fark you.
 
2014-03-03 02:09:53 PM  

Cymbal: meanmutton: In the NFL, you maybe might get a 15 yard penalty.  In the NBA, you get fined.  In the NHL, you get suspended.  In NASCAR, you get suspended.  In the English Premier League, you get suspended and also arrested and charged with a crime.

This. Thread over. All racial slurs should be banned in sports and any/everywhere else.

Grow up people.


People should be arrested for saying a racial slur?  Sweet Jesus, I hope you're not a rap fan.  Or like kaffir limes, small sips of liquor, or saltines, for that matter.
 
2014-03-03 02:11:43 PM  

Mikey1969: Sherman insisted that the N-word is not always used as a racial slur, especially among black players.
"It's in the locker room and on the field at all times," Sherman told themmqb.com. "I hear it almost every series out there on the field."

Maybe that's the point, asshole? Tell, you what... I'll come up and call you a N*****, just for shiats and giggles, let's see where it gets me. According to you, it's perfectly acceptable. Or do I have to be an NFL player first? Black? One of your buddies? Where's the line?

Fark you.



U mad bro?
 
2014-03-03 02:12:20 PM  
"Use of the N-word.  #98 defense.  15 year penalty.  First Down!"

elcesare.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-03 02:12:25 PM  

RedZoneTuba: I heard Wilbon make almost the same argument that Sherman makes.  Paraphrased, I think the argument goes "it's a terrible word that a white person should never use, but they should also not get to tell black people not to use it amongst themselves".  To my ears, this sounds like "it's a terrible word that a white person should never use, but it's not worth me making a small change to my own vocabulary to help eliminate it".

That seems rather petty and self-centered to me, considering the enormous personal sacrifices others have made in the battle for equality.


I just think it is funny that people can't get their minds around that fact that some black people may have a problem with their use of this particular word being regulated by a group of disproportionally old white men.
 
2014-03-03 02:14:05 PM  

Cymbal: steamingpile: Cymbal: meanmutton: In the NFL, you maybe might get a 15 yard penalty.  In the NBA, you get fined.  In the NHL, you get suspended.  In NASCAR, you get suspended.  In the English Premier League, you get suspended and also arrested and charged with a crime.

This. Thread over. All racial slurs should be banned in sports and any/everywhere else.

Grow up people.

As the Incognito events have shown us, NFL players are the most childish athletes in the sporting world.

So we shouldn't try to make them grow the fark up then? Or are you saying its impossible?

I disagree either way.


I'm really saying I just don't give a durn.
 
2014-03-03 02:15:07 PM  

Mikey1969: Sherman insisted that the N-word is not always used as a racial slur, especially among black players.
"It's in the locker room and on the field at all times," Sherman told themmqb.com. "I hear it almost every series out there on the field."

Maybe that's the point, asshole? Tell, you what... I'll come up and call you a N*****, just for shiats and giggles, let's see where it gets me. According to you, it's perfectly acceptable. Or do I have to be an NFL player first? Black? One of your buddies? Where's the line?

Fark you.


This is the crux of the argument. You are jealous that you can't call black people ni*****.

You know what, after 230+ years of racial privilege, I'm willing to give up use of that word and allow black people to use it as they see fit. It's a trade off I'm willing to make.
 
2014-03-03 02:15:21 PM  
Also, is this the thread where white people complain that they can't say the n-word?

Because this looks like the thread where white people complain that they can't say the n-word.
 
2014-03-03 02:15:30 PM  

Cymbal: steamingpile: Cymbal: meanmutton: In the NFL, you maybe might get a 15 yard penalty.  In the NBA, you get fined.  In the NHL, you get suspended.  In NASCAR, you get suspended.  In the English Premier League, you get suspended and also arrested and charged with a crime.

This. Thread over. All racial slurs should be banned in sports and any/everywhere else.

Grow up people.

As the Incognito events have shown us, NFL players are the most childish athletes in the sporting world.

So we shouldn't try to make them grow the fark up then? Or are you saying its impossible?

I disagree either way.


I think we should stay the fark out of how men talk to each other in a professional sports environment. They aren't children, they are adult mentally competent (theoretically) men. If they want to call each other the n-word, why should they stop because it offends you?

You aren't important. Why should any NFL player give a shiat you don't like him calling someone the n-word? Particularly if that other player doesn't mind and uses the word themselves. But it offends guy on Fark so it should be banned? It offends me too but I don't care to insert my nose into the business of people capable of making decisions for themselves about how to talk to each other.

Anyway it's a dumb rule that will barely ever be enforced. There aren't going to be too many guys stupid enough to scream the n-word at each other within earshot of the refs now. Instead they'll continue to do it in the locker rooms, on the practice fields, and up close and personal where the refs won't hear it.

So congrats, we haven't actually accomplished anything but people like you will feel better because a ban was put on a mean word.
 
2014-03-03 02:17:45 PM  

Cymbal: If anything, banning slurs would force players to get more creative with their trash talk. Off the top of my head: "Your wife tastes like Honey Nut Cheerios."


Jesus, my head hurts... Like I mean, this headache has been daily for a month now, but that was worth the stab of pain to laugh at. Goddamit, I have to go take something now, but it really WAS worth it!
 
2014-03-03 02:18:17 PM  

Dafatone: RedZoneTuba: I heard Wilbon make almost the same argument that Sherman makes.  Paraphrased, I think the argument goes "it's a terrible word that a white person should never use, but they should also not get to tell black people not to use it amongst themselves".  To my ears, this sounds like "it's a terrible word that a white person should never use, but it's not worth me making a small change to my own vocabulary to help eliminate it".

That seems rather petty and self-centered to me, considering the enormous personal sacrifices others have made in the battle for equality.

No, the argument was more like:

It's farking ridiculous for a bunch of white guys (owners and Goodell) to legislate how black players talk "for their own good".

That IS racist.

And since the real impetus, as mentioned in this thread, is to mic the field more and make more money off of it, it's another example of framing an issue as a push for "equality" when the motivation is just selling more product.


It would be racist if they said only white players can't use the word. Black folks don't own that word, and if they think they want to then they have bigger problems. Fact is, no one should want to own that word. It's one of the most demeaning ever.

And to your second point, why does it matter how equality is increased? How is killing two birds with one stone shameful?
 
2014-03-03 02:20:28 PM  

Moopy Mac: RedZoneTuba: I heard Wilbon make almost the same argument that Sherman makes.  Paraphrased, I think the argument goes "it's a terrible word that a white person should never use, but they should also not get to tell black people not to use it amongst themselves".  To my ears, this sounds like "it's a terrible word that a white person should never use, but it's not worth me making a small change to my own vocabulary to help eliminate it".

That seems rather petty and self-centered to me, considering the enormous personal sacrifices others have made in the battle for equality.

I just think it is funny that people can't get their minds around that fact that some black people may have a problem with their use of this particular word being regulated by a group of disproportionally old white men.


So what you're saying is that Black people AREN'T equal after all?

Got it.
 
2014-03-03 02:20:40 PM  

Cymbal: Dafatone: RedZoneTuba: I heard Wilbon make almost the same argument that Sherman makes.  Paraphrased, I think the argument goes "it's a terrible word that a white person should never use, but they should also not get to tell black people not to use it amongst themselves".  To my ears, this sounds like "it's a terrible word that a white person should never use, but it's not worth me making a small change to my own vocabulary to help eliminate it".

That seems rather petty and self-centered to me, considering the enormous personal sacrifices others have made in the battle for equality.

No, the argument was more like:

It's farking ridiculous for a bunch of white guys (owners and Goodell) to legislate how black players talk "for their own good".

That IS racist.

And since the real impetus, as mentioned in this thread, is to mic the field more and make more money off of it, it's another example of framing an issue as a push for "equality" when the motivation is just selling more product.

It would be racist if they said only white players can't use the word. Black folks don't own that word, and if they think they want to then they have bigger problems. Fact is, no one should want to own that word. It's one of the most demeaning ever.

And to your second point, why does it matter how equality is increased? How is killing two birds with one stone shameful?


We do not live in a world without context.
 
2014-03-03 02:21:31 PM  

Moopy Mac: RedZoneTuba: I heard Wilbon make almost the same argument that Sherman makes.  Paraphrased, I think the argument goes "it's a terrible word that a white person should never use, but they should also not get to tell black people not to use it amongst themselves".  To my ears, this sounds like "it's a terrible word that a white person should never use, but it's not worth me making a small change to my own vocabulary to help eliminate it".

That seems rather petty and self-centered to me, considering the enormous personal sacrifices others have made in the battle for equality.

I just think it is funny that people can't get their minds around that fact that some black people may have a problem with their use of this particular word being regulated by a group of disproportionally old white men.


Yes, I can "get my mind around it".  That doesn't make it valid.  It means essentially that the NFL has to stop making ANY rules because they're predominately white and the players are predominately black.  I don't buy that either.  Argue whether it's a good rule or not, but the color of the person's skin who is proposing it should not be relevant.
 
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