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(Maine Morning Sentinel)   Maine lawmaker who equates the right to an abortion with the right to rape and thinks the gay agenda is to use mosquitoes to spread AIDS regrets making those comments out loud where people could hear him   (onlinesentinel.com ) divider line
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2014-03-03 12:56:30 PM  
Mosquitoes spreading aids?  The fear of such would create an almost retard-free outdoor environment down here...
 
2014-03-03 12:56:45 PM  
I wonder what party he represents? It's hard to tell with both sides being the same.
 
2014-03-03 12:59:40 PM  
Today's GOP. So proud.
 
2014-03-03 01:00:36 PM  
Is that you SunsetLament?
 
2014-03-03 01:00:49 PM  
I like going down the conspiracy rabbit hole from time to time-reading books on the Kennedy assassination and what have you--but there is a huge difference between reading into that type of stuff just because it's sort of fun to suppose, and reading into it and concluding that the CIA not only killed Kennedy, but it' s totally now coming for you.
 
2014-03-03 01:01:15 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: I wonder what party he represents? It's hard to tell with both sides being the same.


On a side note it's kinda sad when people think elected people represent parties and not constituents. Even sadder when they're right.
 
2014-03-03 01:01:52 PM  
Thank you for making the distinction, submitter: he regrets getting called out, not making the comments in the first place.
 
2014-03-03 01:02:16 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: I wonder what party he represents? It's hard to tell with both sides being the same.


My guess is the Rent Is Too Damn High Party.  That's gotta be it, right?  Maybe the Alaskan Independence Party?

//thanks wikipedia
 
2014-03-03 01:02:32 PM  
Most of the comments were made during the 1980s and 1990s...

Yeah, a lot of people said a lot of stupid shiat back then regarding AIDS and gays. Some grew up quicker than others. I'd be more interested on what he's said on the subjects in the last 10 years or so when most people have started coming around. Obviously, some groups have slid further towards the Derp End of the Pool in the last few years, but the majority of people have started wising up since roughly 2000 or so, and plenty of people I know now who cheer loudly for gay rights said some pretty ignorant shiat back in the 80s and 90s.
 
2014-03-03 01:03:56 PM  

AspectRatio: Today's GOP. So proud.


Know how I know you didn't RTFA?
 
2014-03-03 01:05:16 PM  
Reminds me of Pat Robertson and his fear of AIDS rings.
 
2014-03-03 01:05:28 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: I wonder what party he represents? It's hard to tell with both sides being the same.


I'm the Libbiest Lib that ever Libbed, and I can look at the Democratic Party and see policies I disagree with. But there's nothing that even comes close to the Derp-O-Rama that is today's GOP.
 
2014-03-03 01:10:19 PM  
You can hear Bobby Jindal saying; I told you not to say anything stupid you morons.
 
2014-03-03 01:16:28 PM  
Just because science says something isn't possible like spreading AIDS by mosquito doesn't mean its false. Al Gore said science proves the earth is warming and yet this is the coldest winter I've ever seen! Maybe if we stopped criticising every word a Republican utters and used the same time figuring out what really happened in Benghazi we would all be safer and better off.
 
2014-03-03 01:17:35 PM  
Wow the mosquito thing kinda hits home. When I was a kid in the 80s in Florida, that was a really serious fear people had. AIDs was still pretty mysterious, and it seems plausible (then and now honestly) that you could get infected that way. Science has since ruled it out, but I remember my dad being mad at two gay guys who lived together a few blocks over. He disliked gays period, but he was much more concerned about everybody catchings farking AIDs from mosquitos. Again, this was the 80s. Now my dad hates gays just for biblical reasons.
 
2014-03-03 01:17:48 PM  

Mikey1969: Most of the comments were made during the 1980s and 1990s...

Yeah, a lot of people said a lot of stupid shiat back then regarding AIDS and gays. Some grew up quicker than others. I'd be more interested on what he's said on the subjects in the last 10 years or so when most people have started coming around. Obviously, some groups have slid further towards the Derp End of the Pool in the last few years, but the majority of people have started wising up since roughly 2000 or so, and plenty of people I know now who cheer loudly for gay rights said some pretty ignorant shiat back in the 80s and 90s.


Well, I don't remember  the "You can have legal abortion if men can have legal rape" compromise being floated around in the 90s, but then again, I was in junior high.
 
2014-03-03 01:20:01 PM  
But he likes rape.  Rapey, rapey, rape.
 
2014-03-03 01:21:51 PM  
well the right is pretty much an abortion
 
2014-03-03 01:27:21 PM  
inb4 trolls with their pics of Robert Byrd and various other tu quoques
 
2014-03-03 01:30:06 PM  
I'm very impressed that his response was to back away from the comments instead of doubling down (no matter how long ago he may have said them).  This may be damning with faint praise, but I'm legit impressed.
 
2014-03-03 01:30:45 PM  

Sgt Otter: Mikey1969: Most of the comments were made during the 1980s and 1990s...

Yeah, a lot of people said a lot of stupid shiat back then regarding AIDS and gays. Some grew up quicker than others. I'd be more interested on what he's said on the subjects in the last 10 years or so when most people have started coming around. Obviously, some groups have slid further towards the Derp End of the Pool in the last few years, but the majority of people have started wising up since roughly 2000 or so, and plenty of people I know now who cheer loudly for gay rights said some pretty ignorant shiat back in the 80s and 90s.

Well, I don't remember  the "You can have legal abortion if men can have legal rape" compromise being floated around in the 90s, but then again, I was in junior high.


This.

Look, he said some vile shiat that as an adult he should have known better. I might - MIGHT - be willing personally to cut him some slack if he has come around 180 degrees on gay rights and womens' reproductive issues, but if he hasn't then really he just regrets the way his stupidity was worded (as it's now inconvenient for him) and not that it was stupid.

I did a brief look in to his recent legislative history and could only find that he is opposing the Medicare expansion in Maine, which is pretty shiatty. Didn't see anything about social issues yet, but I looked only briefly. Anyone know if he currently opposes gay rights and women's reproductive rights - or is he still a theocratic dickhole about that stuff too (I'm guessing he is)?
 
2014-03-03 01:32:05 PM  
FTA:'"I have always been passionate about my beliefs, and years ago I said things that I regret. I hold no animosity toward anyone by virtue of their gender or sexual orientation, and today I am focused on ensuring freedom and economic prosperity for all Mainers," he said.'

I guess he's cool with two dudes getting hitched then
 
2014-03-03 01:34:45 PM  

Sgt Otter: Mikey1969: Most of the comments were made during the 1980s and 1990s...

Yeah, a lot of people said a lot of stupid shiat back then regarding AIDS and gays. Some grew up quicker than others. I'd be more interested on what he's said on the subjects in the last 10 years or so when most people have started coming around. Obviously, some groups have slid further towards the Derp End of the Pool in the last few years, but the majority of people have started wising up since roughly 2000 or so, and plenty of people I know now who cheer loudly for gay rights said some pretty ignorant shiat back in the 80s and 90s.

Well, I don't remember  the "You can have legal abortion if men can have legal rape" compromise being floated around in the 90s, but then again, I was in junior high.


You'd be surprised at the shiat that was being floated by "reformed" people now. Doesn't mean that this guy is, just that a lot of people said a lot of shiat back in the day that they wouldn't like to have dug up and exposed to the light. Hell, one of my friends that's a huge supporter of gay rights got in a huge argument with me at some point around my graduation in '88 because he didn't see how gay people could be born that way, because it would mean that nature would be going against Darwin. I merely pointed out that we have plenty of "non ideal" traits, yet we continue to expand as a species.

It happened everywhere, attitudes have evolved for a lot of people. Like I said, I'm more interested in what these people have said on these issues in the last 15 years or so, it's when we as a country have done the most growing in these particular areas.
 
2014-03-03 01:48:33 PM  
I work for an AIDS service organization. The level of misinformation about HIV/AIDS out there is shocking. When people come in for testing, it's often because they had a "scare" - they're afraid they got it from a toilet seat, sharing a glass, and yes we even hear the mosquito routine once in a while. Still, in 2014, among otherwise educated people (sometimes even medical professionals!).

Ignorance is a sad state of affairs but it can be overcome. His rape comments are a different matter, and far more serious an issue to me.
 
2014-03-03 01:48:42 PM  
Give it 5 years.  Him and Ted Cruz will be found in bed together.
 
2014-03-03 01:53:22 PM  

Gary-L: But he likes rape.  Rapey, rapey, rape.


If I were to send out a box of rapey rapey rape, how much weight should I tell the guy at the UPS Store to put on the label? Would 39lbs be enough?
 
2014-03-03 02:09:17 PM  

techgeek07: Give it 5 years.  Him and Ted Cruz will be found in bed an airport bathroom together.


Upgraded that for you.
 
2014-03-03 02:27:48 PM  

LarryDan43: Just because science says something isn't possible like spreading AIDS by mosquito doesn't mean its false. Al Gore said science proves the earth is warming and yet this is the coldest winter I've ever seen! Maybe if we stopped criticising every word a Republican utters and used the same time figuring out what really happened in Benghazi we would all be safer and better off.


Nice. You should get a bite or two.
 
2014-03-03 02:36:37 PM  

The Why Not Guy: I work for an AIDS service organization. The level of misinformation about HIV/AIDS out there is shocking. When people come in for testing, it's often because they had a "scare" - they're afraid they got it from a toilet seat, sharing a glass, and yes we even hear the mosquito routine once in a while. Still, in 2014, among otherwise educated people (sometimes even medical professionals!).

Ignorance is a sad state of affairs but it can be overcome. His rape comments are a different matter, and far more serious an issue to me.


Bill Frist who was both a congressman and a doctor and he said words to the effect of "not sure if you can get HIV from tears".

Though that should be placed of course in the context of Bill Frist being a worthless piece of shiat whose existence shames all of humanity.
 
2014-03-03 02:44:23 PM  
Most of his comments were made in the 80s and 90s? In the 80s, HIV/AIDS was really unknown (and was originally called GRID - Gay Related Immunodeficiency Disease), and the thought of mosquitoes transmitting it was a legit concern until science proved that was not possible.

Not saying the guy isn't a retard since then since I have no idea (but he likely is if he is a GOP politician), but this is a stupid article. Not only that, but people change opinions all the damn time. For example, how popular was the use of "gay" as an insult 20 years ago?
 
2014-03-03 02:49:53 PM  

machoprogrammer: Most of his comments were made in the 80s and 90s? In the 80s, HIV/AIDS was really unknown (and was originally called GRID - Gay Related Immunodeficiency Disease), and the thought of mosquitoes transmitting it was a legit concern until science proved that was not possible.

Not saying the guy isn't a retard since then since I have no idea (but he likely is if he is a GOP politician), but this is a stupid article. Not only that, but people change opinions all the damn time.


These things.

I'm sure if we dug into Ben Grant's past we could find something he said that maybe he now regrets, or at least regrets other people finding out about.
 
2014-03-03 02:54:56 PM  
The abortion/rape thing is a bit out of context as well.

He is saying that rape is obviously illegal, and is correctly illegal, so abortion should be illegal as well.  Both situations are a stronger person forcing their will on a weaker person, in one case the result is sexual violation and the other case is death.  If you operate with the assumption that a fetus is a person (which I don't necessarily operate under) his argument makes sense.
 
2014-03-03 03:34:36 PM  
You know what rape is like?  Rape.
 
2014-03-03 03:35:14 PM  

MattStafford: The abortion/rape thing is a bit out of context as well.

He is saying that rape is obviously illegal, and is correctly illegal, so abortion should be illegal as well.  Both situations are a stronger person forcing their will on a weaker person, in one case the result is sexual violation and the other case is death.  If you operate with the assumption that a fetus is a person (which I don't necessarily operate under) his argument makes sense.


Except you could then extend the same logic towards saying that murder, armed robbery, and dutch ovening should be legal as well.
Even if you completely agree that abortion is murder you should still be able to realize that one bad thing being legal should not mean that another separate bad thing should be legal - two wrongs don't make a right.
 
2014-03-03 03:36:17 PM  

Karac: murder, armed robbery, and dutch ovening


One of these things is not like the others.
 
2014-03-03 03:47:50 PM  

grumpfuff: Karac: murder, armed robbery, and dutch ovening

One of these things is not like the others.


Is that like a dutch rudder but you warm it up first?
 
2014-03-03 04:08:50 PM  

grumpfuff: inb4 trolls with their pics of Robert Byrd and various other tu quoques


Best part is such trolls can never find a presently elected Democrat and will always go back several decades to find one... which incidentally is as far back as one needs to go to find an elected Republican worth blowing ones nose on.
 
2014-03-03 04:09:02 PM  
So, now we have gay mosquitoes? Damn queers.
 
2014-03-03 04:24:30 PM  
Clearly it wasn't LePage.  He never regrets any statement, no matter how stupid.
 
2014-03-03 04:43:02 PM  

monoski: You can hear Bobby Jindal saying; I told you not to say anything stupid you morons.


In Howard Stern's Dad's voice?
 
2014-03-03 05:15:30 PM  

mongbiohazard: Look, he said some vile shiat that as an adult he should have known better. I might - MIGHT - be willing personally to cut him some slack if he has come around 180 degrees on gay rights and womens' reproductive issues, but if he hasn't then really he just regrets the way his stupidity was worded (as it's now inconvenient for him) and not that it was stupid.


I don't know.... it's really hard to cut an adult slack on calling rape "a rapist's sexual freedom". The guy was ahead of his time for the GOP, but honestly, there is no reason I can think of that an adult at any point in time could call rape "sexual freedom" for the rapist.  That's a sick, twisted mind.  Even if he revised some views, that is a sick, sick mind.
 
2014-03-03 05:41:19 PM  

tnpir: Nice. You should get a bite or two.


Hopefully, mosquito bites.
 
2014-03-03 05:55:51 PM  

LarryDan43: Just because science says something isn't possible like spreading AIDS by mosquito doesn't mean its false. Al Gore said science proves the earth is warming and yet this is the coldest winter I've ever seen! Maybe if we stopped criticising every word a Republican utters and used the same time figuring out what really happened in Benghazi we would all be safer and better off.


As a Cracked writer said, global warming doesn't cancel winter. When you count ocean temperatures and places you don't live, this year was good and hot.

From NOAA:

"The globally-averaged temperature for 2013 tied as the fourth warmest year since record keeping began in 1880. It also marked the 37th consecutive year with a global temperature above the 20th century average. The last below-average annual temperature was 1976. Including 2013, all 13 years of the 21st century (2001-2013) rank among the 15 warmest in the 134-year period of record. The three warmest years on record are 2010, 2005, and 1998"
 
2014-03-03 06:33:03 PM  
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er wait or is this thread about abortion, or rape??? i'm so confused

wateva

lelz lelz
 
2014-03-03 06:36:34 PM  

serpent_sky: mongbiohazard: Look, he said some vile shiat that as an adult he should have known better. I might - MIGHT - be willing personally to cut him some slack if he has come around 180 degrees on gay rights and womens' reproductive issues, but if he hasn't then really he just regrets the way his stupidity was worded (as it's now inconvenient for him) and not that it was stupid.

I don't know.... it's really hard to cut an adult slack on calling rape "a rapist's sexual freedom". The guy was ahead of his time for the GOP, but honestly, there is no reason I can think of that an adult at any point in time could call rape "sexual freedom" for the rapist.  That's a sick, twisted mind.  Even if he revised some views, that is a sick, sick mind.



I'm not disagreeing with you, but you're missing my point. Because I doubt his stated positions have changed all that much I think it's safe to say that he truly is sorry for people being pissed about how he phrased his stupid ideas, not that he has realized his ideas are stupid. That's not philosophical growth of any kind... That's just getting smarter about your marketing of your shiatty ideas.
 
2014-03-03 06:37:12 PM  

abb3w: tnpir: Nice. You should get a bite or two.

Hopefully, mosquito bites.


that ain gunna cover the fuel expenses

do you know what horrible gas mileage steamrollers get??
 
2014-03-03 06:44:21 PM  

mongbiohazard: I'm not disagreeing with you, but you're missing my point. Because I doubt his stated positions have changed all that much I think it's safe to say that he truly is sorry for people being pissed about how he phrased his stupid ideas, not that he has realized his ideas are stupid. That's not philosophical growth of any kind... That's just getting smarter about your marketing of your shiatty ideas.


Sort of like the non-apology of "I'm sorry that you feel that way". Not "I'm sorry for what I did" just "I'm sorry you reacted in such a way to what I did."  These people really hate when their own words are used against them.
 
2014-03-03 10:00:36 PM  

serpent_sky: mongbiohazard: I'm not disagreeing with you, but you're missing my point. Because I doubt his stated positions have changed all that much I think it's safe to say that he truly is sorry for people being pissed about how he phrased his stupid ideas, not that he has realized his ideas are stupid. That's not philosophical growth of any kind... That's just getting smarter about your marketing of your shiatty ideas.

Sort of like the non-apology of "I'm sorry that you feel that way". Not "I'm sorry for what I did" just "I'm sorry you reacted in such a way to what I did."  These people really hate when their own words are used against them.


Exactly.
 
2014-03-03 10:02:13 PM  
Something about an apology from a man with a skinned head who rants on homosexuals and insects that leaves me wondering if he is considering a career in southern politics.
 
2014-03-04 05:57:17 AM  
If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways of shutting that whole thing down. But if a Real Murcan man is bitten by a homosquito, he has no defense against teh ghey.

Almost like he secretly wants it.
 
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