If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Slate)   President Obama's big mistake in the Ukraine situation? Even suggesting there would be "consequences" for Russia if they invade Ukraine, because there are exactly two things we can do about it: jack, and shiat   (slate.com) divider line 53
    More: Obvious, President Obama, Ukraine, Russia, West Berlin, Nikita Khrushchev, Crimean, Russian Navy, Secretary of State John Kerry  
•       •       •

1240 clicks; posted to Politics » on 03 Mar 2014 at 12:30 PM (21 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



Voting Results (Smartest)
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

2014-03-03 01:03:05 PM
9 votes:
Right wingers demand that Obama takes an action immediately so they know sooner what opposite stance to take.
2014-03-03 10:09:19 AM
7 votes:

NeoAnderthal: This reminds me of Bill Clinton constantly wagging his impotent finger at Saddam Hussein. we all saw what that got us. This is exactly why liberals have the deserved reputation for being pussies on the world stage.


It got us not having a trillion+ spent on an unnecessary war? It got us not having 4k dead soldiers and tens of thousands wounded?
2014-03-03 12:37:00 PM
3 votes:

clancifer: NeoAnderthal: This reminds me of Bill Clinton constantly wagging his impotent finger at Saddam Hussein. we all saw what that got us. This is exactly why liberals have the deserved reputation for being pussies on the world stage.
It got us not having a trillion+ spent on an unnecessary war? It got us not having 4k dead soldiers and tens of thousands wounded?


If thousands of Soldiers aren't being sent around the world to dig holes and refill them, while we increase the national debt to give Halliburton blank checks, it just isn't a proper military action.

Dumbass liberals want to use boring concepts like technology and diplomacy to resolve conflicts. We're just "pussies" that way.
2014-03-03 11:13:52 AM
3 votes:

NeoAnderthal: This reminds me of Bill Clinton constantly wagging his impotent finger at Saddam Hussein. we all saw what that got us. This is exactly why liberals have the deserved reputation for being pussies on the world stage.


Clinton attacked Iraq and in effect assured the removal of the WMDs but backing the UN weapon's inspectors.  Clinton is precisely the reason, the US didn't have to invade Iraq.  You sound infromed.
2014-03-03 10:09:54 AM
3 votes:

NeoAnderthal: This reminds me of Bill Clinton constantly wagging his impotent finger at Saddam Hussein. we all saw what that got us. This is exactly why liberals have the deserved reputation for being pussies on the world stage.


Clinton enforced a no-fly zone against Saddam and periodically shot missiles at him.  Quite a finger waging.
2014-03-03 01:39:26 PM
2 votes:
Believe me. Sooner or later, one way or another, this will end up biting Putin in the ass. Obama never forgets, and Obama keeps score, and payback always happens eventually.
2014-03-03 01:33:49 PM
2 votes:

jchuffyman: My facebook has been lighting up with some more conservative friends shouting "ROMNEY WAS RIGHT" and linking that debate video where Obama laughs off Romney's idea that Russia is that greatest enemy ever of all time!!! This still hardly affects the US, especially in terms of actively threatening us, which makes this attempted reclaiming of a failed GOP candidate even more hilarious


If Romney was President now, today, nuclear war would have started 20 minutes ago.
2014-03-03 12:54:09 PM
2 votes:

NeoAnderthal: This reminds me of Bill Clinton constantly wagging his impotent finger at Saddam Hussein. we all saw what that got us. This is exactly why liberals have the deserved reputation for being pussies on the world stage.


I really wish these pussy liberals would toughen up and start a war like real republican men.
2014-03-03 12:54:03 PM
2 votes:
Do you really believe that Vichimitter?

Not to ruin your little Harlequin Romance Daydreams but umhh.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditu re s

I'll start pissing my pants when they can afford to field even a 1/5 of our forces. If there is one thing the U.S. still does better than anyone its killing people.
2014-03-03 12:52:19 PM
2 votes:

mistrmind: He's more concerned on how he looks than on what the correct course of action should be.


Ah.  Political insight from the Limbaugh "read their minds" school of policy critique.

www.troll.me
2014-03-03 12:48:28 PM
2 votes:

qorkfiend: mistrmind: pup.socket: Actually, there is a lot Obama and the US can do about it that doesn't involve military action.


Thank you for the biggest laugh I've had all day.

You believe the only options are "Invade now" or "do nothing"?


I believe we have many options to weigh.   However, we're talking Obama here, who is pretty much ineffective and bogged down as a President.   He's more concerned on how he looks than on what the correct course of action should be.
2014-03-03 12:32:52 PM
2 votes:
Well if Obama wasn't so busy spying on us, he would have known what Putin was about to do.
2014-03-03 08:38:43 PM
1 votes:

QU!RK1019: Zeppelininthesky: Consult with one another if questions arise regarding these commitments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assuran ce s

This is what we are doing right now. Doing anything other than this would be stupid. I am glad Obama is the adult in the room and people like you are not in charge.

ongbok: hat is not a treaty, and read my post earlier where I posted our obligations under that agreement. Obligations that we are now honoring.

Good job FARKERS!  You are FARKERS!

/it's times like these when you wished assholes like SunsetLamenthad a soul, would ponder the facts presented to him, and adjust his worldview accordingly.


I can just see all of these guys claiming that we have a treaty with Ukraine sitting in front of their computers going through their FWD:FWD:FWD emails for their talking points on this, when they saw the email thread saying that we had a treaty with Ukraine. I can just see them now sitting there with a smug look on their faces and thinking, "Checkmate Libs". Too bad they are incredibly wrong and every time they make that claim they make themselves look like fools.
2014-03-03 04:21:19 PM
1 votes:

Almost Everybody Poops: Cup_O_Jo: China (owns us)

wow


Almost Everybody Poops, meet Cup_O-Jo.  She is literally wrong about everything that has ever happened.
2014-03-03 04:15:01 PM
1 votes:

Cup_O_Jo: China (owns us)


wow
2014-03-03 04:12:35 PM
1 votes:

Cup_O_Jo: China (owns us)


You're an idiot.
2014-03-03 03:52:57 PM
1 votes:

clancifer: NeoAnderthal: This reminds me of Bill Clinton constantly wagging his impotent finger at Saddam Hussein. we all saw what that got us. This is exactly why liberals have the deserved reputation for being pussies on the world stage.

It got us not having a trillion+ spent on an unnecessary war? It got us not having 4k dead soldiers and tens of thousands wounded?


Wait, given the choice of a Clinton-style No Fly Zone or a Bush style Invasion-then-a-decade of clusterfark, we're liking the clusterfark better?
2014-03-03 03:50:55 PM
1 votes:
The most significant thing, arguably, that the Obama presidency has done in worldwide affairs is bring back respect to the effectiveness of the US as a global leader. Bush had tons of it in the form of sympathy after he got caught off guard on 911. But he quickly squandered it with his thoughtless rampaging. Obama has since cultivated a strong voice with his reserve, diplomacy, resolve and decisive action when necessary. He personally has earned great respect throughout the world. Only a idiot would think otherwise.
2014-03-03 03:35:36 PM
1 votes:

Tyee: Obama has all but made the US irrelevant on the world stage in only five years.  He commands such little respect internationally theses days.  The silver lining is we don't need to be involved, that is, other than our NATO obligations...


You must be trolling because nobody is that stupid.
2014-03-03 03:23:44 PM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Skleenar: DamnYankees: There are interesting NATO implications given Putin's actions. Putin has made it clear that he considers it his right to use military force to defend "Russiasn", as he sees them. That's what happened in Georgia, its whats happening in Ukraine. Neither of those countries are in NATO. But there are countries in NATO which have Russian minorities - Poland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania most obviously. What happens if he starts to push there?

I am pretty sure that the Kremlin arithmetic changes for those countries. Nor do they seem as important to the Russians in an economic and defense sense as Ukraine.

Changes, sure. I mean, I would imagine Russia is less likely to attach Latvia than Ukraine. But that doesn't mean the chances move to 0.


One of two things: War, or NATO falls apart as no one can trust anyone will help them. The Baltics have tried their level best to contribute excessively. Lithuania decided there's no point in going with a big an army as possible because they can't possibly last minutes against Russia. So they went small and spent huge amount of their budget to make the best brigade they could in terms of training, equipping, and (most importantly) deployability. The Motorized Infantry "Iron Wolf" Brigade has spent substantial amount of time in Afghanistan fighting with the US and taking on significant responsibilities. They invaded Iraq with America. When asked, they deployed to Bosnia and Kosovo.

I'm just sad to think it'll eventually be all for naught because when Russia comes-a-knockin', the American public will just say, "Who? Why? What have they done for us? That's Russia's sphere of influence we have no business there."
2014-03-03 03:11:57 PM
1 votes:

Tyee: Obama has all but made the US irrelevant on the world stage in only five years.  He commands such little respect internationally theses days.  The silver lining is we don't need to be involved, that is, other than our NATO obligations...


Unlike the previous 8 years, when the US was so well beloved and respected.
2014-03-03 02:35:42 PM
1 votes:

Tyee: ongbok: Tyee: Obama has all but made the US irrelevant on the world stage in only five years.  He commands such little respect internationally theses days.  The silver lining is we don't need to be involved, that is, other than our NATO obligations...

There isn't any NATO obligations because Ukraine isn't a NATO member, And with that being said there is no need to address the rest of your post, because your whole NATO obligations.....


http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/02/28/ukraine-appeals-us-uk- so vereignty

Your right it's the UK and USA obligations.  Now feel free to address the rendering of irrelevance Obama has bestowed on the USA.  Don't bother, please just continue to defend his ineptitude, it suits you better ignoring the obvious.


And the US and UK are doing what is required of them by that agreement.

Why do you all keep bringing this up over and over when every time you bring it up you get slapped down? I guess Emerson was right when he said "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds"
2014-03-03 02:09:00 PM
1 votes:

mistrmind: Have you ever formed an opinion on your own?  Or do you just have it spoon fed?


Go whack off somewhere else.
2014-03-03 01:51:33 PM
1 votes:

Tyee: grumpfuff: Yes, tell us about your extensive travels

Europe last year, S. America this year.  You basing your opinion on what the party tells you or are you just oblivious?


I'm basing my opinion on the friends I have in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. Nice try though.
2014-03-03 01:45:10 PM
1 votes:

Tyee: Obama has all but made the US irrelevant on the world stage in only five years.  He commands such little respect internationally theses days.  The silver lining is we don't need to be involved, that is, other than our NATO obligations...


There isn't any NATO obligations because Ukraine isn't a NATO member, And with that being said there is no need to address the rest of your post, because your whole NATO obligations line showed how much of an uniformed , imaginary world living idiot you are.
2014-03-03 01:43:56 PM
1 votes:

Tyee: Obama has all but made the US irrelevant on the world stage in only five years.  He commands such little respect internationally theses days.  The silver lining is we don't need to be involved, that is, other than our NATO obligations...


Yes, tell us about your extensive travels all over the world and how you gained an in-depth knowledge of how other countries view the US.

Or are you just saying that because feels?
2014-03-03 01:29:24 PM
1 votes:

NeoAnderthal: This reminds me of Bill Clinton constantly wagging his impotent finger at Saddam Hussein. we all saw what that got us. This is exactly why liberals have the deserved reputation for being pussies on the world stage.


Potatoed in the Boobies.
2014-03-03 01:21:47 PM
1 votes:

QU!RK1019: Isitoveryet:

No lash batter can withstand the Putin baby batter.


snot shot out the nose, i've been sick.
2014-03-03 01:21:12 PM
1 votes:
1. Economic sanctions
2. Cyber war
It may not stop them but if the cost is high enough the Russians may think twice about invading someone else.
2014-03-03 01:13:36 PM
1 votes:

Skleenar: danknerd: Because Ukraine gave up their nukes for protection by the U.S. (and others), if the U.S. doesn't honor the treaty, the U.S.

It's not a treaty.

[www.palmtalk.org image 602x375]


According to the memorandum, Russia, the US, and the UK confirmed, in recognition of Ukraine becoming party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and in effect abandoning its nuclear arsenal to Russia, that they would:

Respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty within its existing borders. Refrain from the threat or use of force against Ukraine.
Refrain from using economic pressure on Ukraine in order to influence its politics.
Seek United Nations Security Council action if nuclear weapons are used against Ukraine.
Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against Ukraine.
Consult with one another if questions arise regarding these commitments.[6]


My bad, the NPT is serious and it is what stopped all most all nations from developing their own nuclear arsenals... so if a nation like Ukraine gives up their nukes and then is invaded by a nation with nuclear capabilities... which it could have used as a threat to stop Russia and no other nation comes to their defense... why would any other nation not then want their own nukes, it is not a path the world should want to go down.
2014-03-03 01:13:32 PM
1 votes:
Oh, so now he wants to pretend like he doesn't have a time machine.
2014-03-03 01:07:25 PM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Back to the actual point at hand, I think TFA is being a little too glib about what kind of consequences the West can impose. The economic damage to Russia can be substantial if the West decides to impose actual trade restrictions or sanctions. Look at the Russian stock market today - they are already being hurt quite badly.


Yeah but trade restrictions and diplomatic pressure don't make for good movies, so they're pointless. What we really need here is a Reverse Red Dawn (the old one, not the crappy new one), except we win.
2014-03-03 01:04:14 PM
1 votes:
I guess the reasonable thing to do would be to wait and see how the elections turn out then let diplomacy have a go at resolving this issue.

I hope the protesters play the cat and mouse game with Putin (raise hell then retreat until forces clear then raise hell), hit him in the pocket book. no sense in throwing rocks at armed soldiers.

I believe President Obama should press for economic sanctions, for only one reason, we need to let Putin know that his totalitarian insistence that sovereign European countries participate in keeping Russia afloat will not stand.
2014-03-03 01:02:07 PM
1 votes:

danknerd: Because Ukraine gave up their nukes for protection by the U.S. (and others), if the U.S. doesn't honor the treaty, the U.S.


It's not a treaty.

www.palmtalk.org


According to the memorandum, Russia, the US, and the UK confirmed, in recognition of Ukraine becoming party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and in effect abandoning its nuclear arsenal to Russia, that they would:

Respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty within its existing borders. Refrain from the threat or use of force against Ukraine.
Refrain from using economic pressure on Ukraine in order to influence its politics.
Seek United Nations Security Council action if nuclear weapons are used against Ukraine.
Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against Ukraine.
Consult with one another if questions arise regarding these commitments.[6]
2014-03-03 01:01:25 PM
1 votes:
It's sick how the right seems to want a huge war just so they can make Obama look bad.
It's like the want Putin to nuke Kiev just so they can say thanks Obama.
2014-03-03 12:56:00 PM
1 votes:

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: pup.socket: Actually, there is a lot Obama and the US can do about it that doesn't involve military action.

I'm astonished at the American media, to be honest.  They're so blinkered, at this point, they really don't know what they're talking about.  Military response seems to be the only thing possible, and it has to happen yesterday.


That has become literally the only part of foreign policy that is discussed in the US. Global influence is being boiled down to who we can bomb/invade or threaten to bomb/invade.
2014-03-03 12:55:32 PM
1 votes:

manbart: Why should the United States be obligated to intervene? If anything, the US should formerly exit NATO, what is the point of being a member anyway?

Why should I care if Russia invades Crimea?


Because Ukraine gave up their nukes for protection by the U.S. (and others), if the U.S. doesn't honor the treaty, the U.S. looks weak and not trustworthy. Plus, then all the treaties of Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons go right out the window and every country will then want to protect themselves directly with Nukes instead of the international communities coming in.
2014-03-03 12:53:38 PM
1 votes:

mistrmind: Superjew: Nothing brings out the freeper retard brigade like a rainy monday morning.

Awwww, is your precious President just not doing it for you.   Awwww.  Poor baby.


Thank you for reminding me - I forgot to highlight all your posts in Troll Gray. It's fixed now, though.
2014-03-03 12:51:13 PM
1 votes:
Monday Morning Obamaphobia Butthurt Brigade in full force.
2014-03-03 12:50:22 PM
1 votes:
I knew Obama wanted to shrink the military but I cannot support this shriking of the military by shoving it into a meatgrinder.
2014-03-03 12:46:07 PM
1 votes:

mistrmind: pup.socket: Actually, there is a lot Obama and the US can do about it that doesn't involve military action.


Thank you for the biggest laugh I've had all day.


You believe the only options are "Invade now" or "do nothing"?
2014-03-03 12:38:41 PM
1 votes:
Nothing brings out the freeper retard brigade like a rainy monday morning.
2014-03-03 12:37:58 PM
1 votes:
Alternate Universe Headline:

Obama hasn't said sh*t to Russia, Even if he doesn't plan on doing anything at least state there will be consequences.
2014-03-03 12:35:13 PM
1 votes:
Actually, there is a lot Obama and the US can do about it that doesn't involve military action.
2014-03-03 12:32:29 PM
1 votes:

NeoAnderthal: This reminds me of Bill Clinton constantly wagging his impotent finger at Saddam Hussein. we all saw what that got us. This is exactly why liberals have the deserved reputation for being pussies on the world stage.


Because you would do ...

[please fill in the blank]
2014-03-03 12:22:46 PM
1 votes:
This is the dumbest talking point since the last time Obama was talked about.
2014-03-03 12:18:38 PM
1 votes:

NeoAnderthal: This reminds me of Bill Clinton constantly wagging his impotent finger at Saddam Hussein. we all saw what that got us. This is exactly why liberals have the deserved reputation for being pussies on the world stage.


I love how your profile reads like Fox News talking points.  Awesome stuff.
2014-03-03 10:42:15 AM
1 votes:
It's not so much we can't do something as much as we're willing to accept the consequences of doing something.
2014-03-03 10:39:02 AM
1 votes:
The consequences will be to degrade Russia's economy, particularly the energy sector, by taking away their biggest customers. China would still mainline Russia's oil like a junkie but the EU has choices.
2014-03-03 10:37:18 AM
1 votes:

WTF Indeed: The Russian economy, and therefore all of Putin's power, is based around the Oligarchs. If the West was the freeze their funds outside of the country and make it extremely hard for them to do business outside of the country, the Russian economy would crumble.


it's already in bad shape. and their markets are down 10 percent today. russia needs foreign investment. this is not going to work out well for putin.
2014-03-03 10:31:15 AM
1 votes:

WTF Indeed: The Russian economy, and therefore all of Putin's power, is based around the Oligarchs. If the West was the freeze their funds outside of the country and make it extremely hard for them to do business outside of the country, the Russian economy would crumble.


It would probably also result in (1) gas immediately being shut off to Western Europe and (2) US access to Afghanistan being closed.

Frankly, I think it's a risk we can take.
2014-03-03 10:18:59 AM
1 votes:
The Russian economy, and therefore all of Putin's power, is based around the Oligarchs. If the West was the freeze their funds outside of the country and make it extremely hard for them to do business outside of the country, the Russian economy would crumble.
2014-03-03 09:57:22 AM
1 votes:
This reminds me of Bill Clinton constantly wagging his impotent finger at Saddam Hussein. we all saw what that got us. This is exactly why liberals have the deserved reputation for being pussies on the world stage.
 
Displayed 53 of 53 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report