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(Slate)   President Obama's big mistake in the Ukraine situation? Even suggesting there would be "consequences" for Russia if they invade Ukraine, because there are exactly two things we can do about it: jack, and shiat   (slate.com) divider line 276
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2014-03-03 07:53:22 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Wow, even Slate is pointing out President Dipshiat's farkups now?  LOL

Which farkups?

You might want to read the thread title before posting.

How is it a farkup to disapprove of Russia massing its military at the border of Ukraine? What specifically would you have Obama do?

Well, either (a) not behave and campaign like a limp wrist for the last 5-6 years, or (b) not threaten something he has absolutely no intention of following through with (again).

Considering there may be sanctions. We get it, you hate Obama no matter what he does.


Oh noes!!!1!!  Not sanctions!!!!  Will there be a sternly worded letter too?
 
2014-03-03 07:55:21 PM  

SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Wow, even Slate is pointing out President Dipshiat's farkups now?  LOL

Which farkups?

You might want to read the thread title before posting.

How is it a farkup to disapprove of Russia massing its military at the border of Ukraine? What specifically would you have Obama do?

Well, either (a) not behave and campaign like a limp wrist for the last 5-6 years, or (b) not threaten something he has absolutely no intention of following through with (again).

Considering there may be sanctions. We get it, you hate Obama no matter what he does.

Oh noes!!!1!!  Not sanctions!!!!  Will there be a sternly worded letter too?


So what do you want a war? Crashing there economy will do more harm than military action.
 
2014-03-03 07:57:49 PM  

SunsetLament: Oh noes!!!1!!  Not sanctions!!!!  Will there be a sternly worded letter too?


Yes sanctions, you dillhole.
 
2014-03-03 07:58:22 PM  

SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Wow, even Slate is pointing out President Dipshiat's farkups now?  LOL

Which farkups?

You might want to read the thread title before posting.

How is it a farkup to disapprove of Russia massing its military at the border of Ukraine? What specifically would you have Obama do?

Well, either (a) not behave and campaign like a limp wrist for the last 5-6 years, or (b) not threaten something he has absolutely no intention of following through with (again).

Considering there may be sanctions. We get it, you hate Obama no matter what he does.

Oh noes!!!1!!  Not sanctions!!!!  Will there be a sternly worded letter too?


You haven't been paying attention have you?

I'd expect sanctions to be followed up by an unfortunate "glitch" in their trading software that rendered their transaction histories corrupted and their trading markets destroyed. Do you not remember Iran?
 
2014-03-03 07:58:39 PM  

SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Wow, even Slate is pointing out President Dipshiat's farkups now?  LOL

Which farkups?

You might want to read the thread title before posting.

How is it a farkup to disapprove of Russia massing its military at the border of Ukraine? What specifically would you have Obama do?

Well, either (a) not behave and campaign like a limp wrist for the last 5-6 years, or (b) not threaten something he has absolutely no intention of following through with (again).

Considering there may be sanctions. We get it, you hate Obama no matter what he does.

Oh noes!!!1!!  Not sanctions!!!!  Will there be a sternly worded letter too?


What would you have Obama do, exactly?
 
2014-03-03 08:00:44 PM  
Obama tells Russia's Medvedev more flexibility after election - March 26, 2012

(Reuters) - President Barack Obama was caught on camera on Monday assuring outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that he will have "more flexibility" to deal with contentious issues like missile defense after the U.S. presidential election.  Obama, during talks in Seoul, urged Moscow to give him "space" until after the November ballot, and Medvedev said he would relay the message to incoming Russian president Vladimir Putin.
 
2014-03-03 08:02:40 PM  

SunsetLament: Obama tells Russia's Medvedev more flexibility after election - March 26, 2012

(Reuters) - President Barack Obama was caught on camera on Monday assuring outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that he will have "more flexibility" to deal with contentious issues like missile defense after the U.S. presidential election.  Obama, during talks in Seoul, urged Moscow to give him "space" until after the November ballot, and Medvedev said he would relay the message to incoming Russian president Vladimir Putin.


Don't pretend to not understand sanctions, then act as if you grasp geopolitics.  Pick one and go with it.
 
2014-03-03 08:04:17 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Wow, even Slate is pointing out President Dipshiat's farkups now?  LOL

Which farkups?

You might want to read the thread title before posting.

How is it a farkup to disapprove of Russia massing its military at the border of Ukraine? What specifically would you have Obama do?

Well, either (a) not behave and campaign like a limp wrist for the last 5-6 years, or (b) not threaten something he has absolutely no intention of following through with (again).

Considering there may be sanctions. We get it, you hate Obama no matter what he does.

Oh noes!!!1!!  Not sanctions!!!!  Will there be a sternly worded letter too?

What would you have Obama do, exactly?



1. Dump as many anti-missile systems into Poland and the Czech Republic as they can hold
2. Put a naval fleet in the Black Sea
3. Cut off all diplomatic contact with Russia
4. Statement to the country affirming our 1994 treaty with the Ukraine and that we intend to uphold our obligations
5. Uphold our obligations.
 
2014-03-03 08:08:14 PM  

SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Wow, even Slate is pointing out President Dipshiat's farkups now?  LOL

Which farkups?

You might want to read the thread title before posting.

How is it a farkup to disapprove of Russia massing its military at the border of Ukraine? What specifically would you have Obama do?

Well, either (a) not behave and campaign like a limp wrist for the last 5-6 years, or (b) not threaten something he has absolutely no intention of following through with (again).

Considering there may be sanctions. We get it, you hate Obama no matter what he does.

Oh noes!!!1!!  Not sanctions!!!!  Will there be a sternly worded letter too?

What would you have Obama do, exactly?


1. Dump as many anti-missile systems into Poland and the Czech Republic as they can hold
2. Put a naval fleet in the Black Sea
3. Cut off all diplomatic contact with Russia
4. Statement to the country affirming our 1994 treaty with the Ukraine and that we intend to uphold our obligations
5. Uphold our obligations.


What obligations? You do realize we have literally no interests in the region at all. Ukraine is not a UN country. Putting troops and any American interests in harms way would be foolish. Plus, you would find a way to criticize Obama if he enacted your plan.
 
2014-03-03 08:09:35 PM  

SunsetLament: 1. Dump as many anti-missile systems into Poland and the Czech Republic as they can hold
2. Put a naval fleet in the Black Sea
3. Cut off all diplomatic contact with Russia
4. Statement to the country affirming our 1994 treaty with the Ukraine and that we intend to uphold our obligations
5. Uphold our obligations.


You forgot:

6. Crush the enemies
7. See them driven before you
8. Hear the lamentation of their women.

/Quit typing with your war boner.
 
2014-03-03 08:13:32 PM  

SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Wow, even Slate is pointing out President Dipshiat's farkups now?  LOL

Which farkups?

You might want to read the thread title before posting.

How is it a farkup to disapprove of Russia massing its military at the border of Ukraine? What specifically would you have Obama do?

Well, either (a) not behave and campaign like a limp wrist for the last 5-6 years, or (b) not threaten something he has absolutely no intention of following through with (again).

Considering there may be sanctions. We get it, you hate Obama no matter what he does.

Oh noes!!!1!!  Not sanctions!!!!  Will there be a sternly worded letter too?

What would you have Obama do, exactly?


1. Dump as many anti-missile systems into Poland and the Czech Republic as they can hold
2. Put a naval fleet in the Black Sea
3. Cut off all diplomatic contact with Russia
4. Statement to the country affirming our 1994 treaty with the Ukraine and that we intend to uphold our obligations
5. Uphold our obligations.


There is no 1994 treaty with Ukraine. These are the obligations the US, UK and Russia have under the agreement you are talking about


Respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty within its existing borders.
Refrain from the threat or use of force against Ukraine.
Refrain from using economic pressure on Ukraine in order to influence its politics.
Seek United Nations Security Council action if nuclear weapons are used against Ukraine.
Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against Ukraine.
Consult with one another if questions arise regarding these commitments.

We are following through with our obligations. Why do you Obama haters keep bringing this up when every time you do you get made to look like fools?

And by the way your first two ideas wouldn't do anything to get Putin to back down, only thing they would do is cause more tension in the region.
 
2014-03-03 08:13:58 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Wow, even Slate is pointing out President Dipshiat's farkups now?  LOL

Which farkups?

You might want to read the thread title before posting.

How is it a farkup to disapprove of Russia massing its military at the border of Ukraine? What specifically would you have Obama do?

Well, either (a) not behave and campaign like a limp wrist for the last 5-6 years, or (b) not threaten something he has absolutely no intention of following through with (again).

Considering there may be sanctions. We get it, you hate Obama no matter what he does.

Oh noes!!!1!!  Not sanctions!!!!  Will there be a sternly worded letter too?

What would you have Obama do, exactly?


1. Dump as many anti-missile systems into Poland and the Czech Republic as they can hold
2. Put a naval fleet in the Black Sea
3. Cut off all diplomatic contact with Russia
4. Statement to the country affirming our 1994 treaty with the Ukraine and that we intend to uphold our obligations
5. Uphold our obligations.

What obligations? You do realize we have literally no interests in the region at all. Ukraine is not a UN country. Putting troops and any American interests in harms way would be foolish. Plus, you would find a way to criticize Obama if he enacted your plan.


It takes a truly stupid person to declare that "we have literally no interests in the region at all."  We hold a treaty with them.  Even if you believe it's a stupid treaty ... demonstrating to the world that we uphold our treaty obligations is an obvious national interest.
 
2014-03-03 08:16:06 PM  

ongbok: And by the way your first two ideas wouldn't do anything to get Putin to back down, only thing they would do is cause more tension in the region.


I'm just surprised he actually answered.  The cat's out of the bag now; he doesn't have any ideas that are actually better than what Obama's doing.
 
2014-03-03 08:16:29 PM  

SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Wow, even Slate is pointing out President Dipshiat's farkups now?  LOL

Which farkups?

You might want to read the thread title before posting.

How is it a farkup to disapprove of Russia massing its military at the border of Ukraine? What specifically would you have Obama do?

Well, either (a) not behave and campaign like a limp wrist for the last 5-6 years, or (b) not threaten something he has absolutely no intention of following through with (again).

Considering there may be sanctions. We get it, you hate Obama no matter what he does.

Oh noes!!!1!!  Not sanctions!!!!  Will there be a sternly worded letter too?

What would you have Obama do, exactly?


1. Dump as many anti-missile systems into Poland and the Czech Republic as they can hold
2. Put a naval fleet in the Black Sea
3. Cut off all diplomatic contact with Russia
4. Statement to the country affirming our 1994 treaty with the Ukraine and that we intend to uphold our obligations
5. Uphold our obligations.

What obligations? You do realize we have literally no interests in the region at all. Ukraine is not a UN country. Putting troops and any American interests in harms way would be foolish. Plus, you would find a way to criticize Obama if he enacted your plan.

It takes a truly stupid person to declare that "we have literally no interests in the region at all."  We hold a treaty with them.  Even if you believe it's a stupid treaty ... demonstrating to the world that we uphold our treaty obligations is an obvious national interest.


We hold no treaty with Ukraine. Your constant insisting that we do shows just how much knowledge you have of the situation and how much credibility your opinions hold.
 
2014-03-03 08:18:38 PM  

ongbok: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Wow, even Slate is pointing out President Dipshiat's farkups now?  LOL

Which farkups?

You might want to read the thread title before posting.

How is it a farkup to disapprove of Russia massing its military at the border of Ukraine? What specifically would you have Obama do?

Well, either (a) not behave and campaign like a limp wrist for the last 5-6 years, or (b) not threaten something he has absolutely no intention of following through with (again).

Considering there may be sanctions. We get it, you hate Obama no matter what he does.

Oh noes!!!1!!  Not sanctions!!!!  Will there be a sternly worded letter too?

What would you have Obama do, exactly?


1. Dump as many anti-missile systems into Poland and the Czech Republic as they can hold
2. Put a naval fleet in the Black Sea
3. Cut off all diplomatic contact with Russia
4. Statement to the country affirming our 1994 treaty with the Ukraine and that we intend to uphold our obligations
5. Uphold our obligations.

What obligations? You do realize we have literally no interests in the region at all. Ukraine is not a UN country. Putting troops and any American interests in harms way would be foolish. Plus, you would find a way to criticize Obama if he enacted your plan.

It takes a truly stupid person to declare that "we have literally no interests in the region at all."  We hold a treaty with them.  Even if you believe it's a stupid treaty ... demonstrating to the world that we uphold our treaty obligations is an obvious national interest.

We hold no treaty with Ukraine. Your constant insisting that we do shows just how much knowledge you have of the situation and how much credibility your opinions hold.


http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2014/2014_1-9/2014-08/pdf/34-3 5_ 4108.pdf
 
2014-03-03 08:21:40 PM  

SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Wow, even Slate is pointing out President Dipshiat's farkups now?  LOL

Which farkups?

You might want to read the thread title before posting.

How is it a farkup to disapprove of Russia massing its military at the border of Ukraine? What specifically would you have Obama do?

Well, either (a) not behave and campaign like a limp wrist for the last 5-6 years, or (b) not threaten something he has absolutely no intention of following through with (again).

Considering there may be sanctions. We get it, you hate Obama no matter what he does.

Oh noes!!!1!!  Not sanctions!!!!  Will there be a sternly worded letter too?

What would you have Obama do, exactly?


1. Dump as many anti-missile systems into Poland and the Czech Republic as they can hold
2. Put a naval fleet in the Black Sea
3. Cut off all diplomatic contact with Russia
4. Statement to the country affirming our 1994 treaty with the Ukraine and that we intend to uphold our obligations
5. Uphold our obligations.

What obligations? You do realize we have literally no interests in the region at all. Ukraine is not a UN country. Putting troops and any American interests in harms way would be foolish. Plus, you would find a way to criticize Obama if he enacted your plan.

It takes a truly stupid person to declare that "we have literally no interests in the region at all."  We hold a treaty with them.  Even if you believe it's a stupid treaty ... demonstrating to the world that we uphold our treaty obligations is an obvious national interest.


No, we don't hold a treaty with Ukraine.

The Budapest Memorandum is:

Respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty within its existing borders.
Refrain from the threat or use of force against Ukraine.
Refrain from using economic pressure on Ukraine in order to influence its politics.
Seek United Nations Security Council action if nuclear weapons are used against Ukraine.
Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against Ukraine.
Consult with one another if questions arise regarding these commitments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assuran ce s

This is what we are doing right now. Doing anything other than this would be stupid. I am glad Obama is the adult in the room and people like you are not in charge.
 
2014-03-03 08:26:32 PM  

SunsetLament: ongbok: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Wow, even Slate is pointing out President Dipshiat's farkups now?  LOL

Which farkups?

You might want to read the thread title before posting.

How is it a farkup to disapprove of Russia massing its military at the border of Ukraine? What specifically would you have Obama do?

Well, either (a) not behave and campaign like a limp wrist for the last 5-6 years, or (b) not threaten something he has absolutely no intention of following through with (again).

Considering there may be sanctions. We get it, you hate Obama no matter what he does.

Oh noes!!!1!!  Not sanctions!!!!  Will there be a sternly worded letter too?

What would you have Obama do, exactly?


1. Dump as many anti-missile systems into Poland and the Czech Republic as they can hold
2. Put a naval fleet in the Black Sea
3. Cut off all diplomatic contact with Russia
4. Statement to the country affirming our 1994 treaty with the Ukraine and that we intend to uphold our obligations
5. Uphold our obligations.

What obligations? You do realize we have literally no interests in the region at all. Ukraine is not a UN country. Putting troops and any American interests in harms way would be foolish. Plus, you would find a way to criticize Obama if he enacted your plan.

It takes a truly stupid person to declare that "we have literally no interests in the region at all."  We hold a treaty with them.  Even if you believe it's a stupid treaty ... demonstrating to the world that we uphold our treaty obligations is an obvious national interest.

We hold no treaty with Ukraine. Your constant insisting that we do shows just how much knowledge you have of the situation and how much credibility your opinions hold.

http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2014/2014_1-9/2014-08/pdf/34-3 5_ 4108.pdf


That is not a treaty, and read my post earlier where I posted our obligations under that agreement. Obligations that we are now honoring.
 
2014-03-03 08:29:39 PM  

ongbok: SunsetLament: ongbok: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Wow, even Slate is pointing out President Dipshiat's farkups now?  LOL

Which farkups?

You might want to read the thread title before posting.

How is it a farkup to disapprove of Russia massing its military at the border of Ukraine? What specifically would you have Obama do?

Well, either (a) not behave and campaign like a limp wrist for the last 5-6 years, or (b) not threaten something he has absolutely no intention of following through with (again).

Considering there may be sanctions. We get it, you hate Obama no matter what he does.

Oh noes!!!1!!  Not sanctions!!!!  Will there be a sternly worded letter too?

What would you have Obama do, exactly?


1. Dump as many anti-missile systems into Poland and the Czech Republic as they can hold
2. Put a naval fleet in the Black Sea
3. Cut off all diplomatic contact with Russia
4. Statement to the country affirming our 1994 treaty with the Ukraine and that we intend to uphold our obligations
5. Uphold our obligations.

What obligations? You do realize we have literally no interests in the region at all. Ukraine is not a UN country. Putting troops and any American interests in harms way would be foolish. Plus, you would find a way to criticize Obama if he enacted your plan.

It takes a truly stupid person to declare that "we have literally no interests in the region at all."  We hold a treaty with them.  Even if you believe it's a stupid treaty ... demonstrating to the world that we uphold our treaty obligations is an obvious national interest.

We hold no treaty with Ukraine. Your constant insisting that we do shows just how much knowledge you have of the situation and how much credibility your opinions hold.

http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2014/2014_1-9/2014-08/pdf/34-3 5_ 4108.pdf

That is not a treaty, and read my p ...


I think that he thinks it is some kind of treaty that lets us invade Russia, or something.
 
2014-03-03 08:29:56 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: Consult with one another if questions arise regarding these commitments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assuran ce s

This is what we are doing right now. Doing anything other than this would be stupid. I am glad Obama is the adult in the room and people like you are not in charge.


ongbok: hat is not a treaty, and read my post earlier where I posted our obligations under that agreement. Obligations that we are now honoring.


Good job FARKERS!  You are FARKERS!

/it's times like these when you wished assholes like SunsetLamenthad a soul, would ponder the facts presented to him, and adjust his worldview accordingly.
 
2014-03-03 08:38:43 PM  

QU!RK1019: Zeppelininthesky: Consult with one another if questions arise regarding these commitments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assuran ce s

This is what we are doing right now. Doing anything other than this would be stupid. I am glad Obama is the adult in the room and people like you are not in charge.

ongbok: hat is not a treaty, and read my post earlier where I posted our obligations under that agreement. Obligations that we are now honoring.

Good job FARKERS!  You are FARKERS!

/it's times like these when you wished assholes like SunsetLamenthad a soul, would ponder the facts presented to him, and adjust his worldview accordingly.


I can just see all of these guys claiming that we have a treaty with Ukraine sitting in front of their computers going through their FWD:FWD:FWD emails for their talking points on this, when they saw the email thread saying that we had a treaty with Ukraine. I can just see them now sitting there with a smug look on their faces and thinking, "Checkmate Libs". Too bad they are incredibly wrong and every time they make that claim they make themselves look like fools.
 
2014-03-03 09:29:26 PM  
Sure is a nice suit your emperor is wearing and its always good to know who sees them.
 
2014-03-03 09:33:19 PM  

Tyee: Sure is a nice suit your emperor is wearing and its always good to know who sees them.


Putin?
 
2014-03-03 10:16:59 PM  

clancifer: NeoAnderthal: This reminds me of Bill Clinton constantly wagging his impotent finger at Saddam Hussein. we all saw what that got us. This is exactly why liberals have the deserved reputation for being pussies on the world stage.

I love how your profile reads like Fox News talking points.  Awesome stuff.


i read it in ron swanson's voice and now i like the character a lot less
 
2014-03-04 12:58:50 AM  

mistrmind: pup.socket: Actually, there is a lot Obama and the US can do about it that doesn't involve military action.

Thank you for the biggest laugh I've had all day.


You're very welcome, although I am not sure what are you laughing about.

Russian economy depends very heavily on trade with the West for mostly everything except oil, gas, wood and some ores, and nothing will undermine Putin more than a few months of a complete return to Soviet times, where anything from from cement to pantyhose and lipstick were perpetually lacking. Few months, which the West can easily and swiftly ensure.
 
2014-03-04 02:38:51 AM  
SunsetLament:


1. Dump as many anti-missile systems into Poland and the Czech Republic as they can hold
2. Put a naval fleet in the Black Sea
3. Cut off all diplomatic contact with Russia
4. Statement to the country affirming our 1994 treaty with the Ukraine and that we intend to uphold our obligations
5. Uphold our obligations.


6.
 img.gawkerassets.com

// the US is not the only country in NATO, you know - Poland and the C.R. may want to be consulted about your plans.
 
2014-03-04 09:29:03 AM  
Well, someone ran away. Wonder why.
 
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