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(Slate)   President Obama's big mistake in the Ukraine situation? Even suggesting there would be "consequences" for Russia if they invade Ukraine, because there are exactly two things we can do about it: jack, and shiat   (slate.com ) divider line
    More: Obvious, President Obama, Ukraine, Russia, West Berlin, Nikita Khrushchev, Crimean, Russian Navy, Secretary of State John Kerry  
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2014-03-03 03:29:13 PM  
Heck, the Ukraine sent a regiment to Iraq with America. See what that bought them?

"Who? Why? What have they done for us?"
 
2014-03-03 03:30:44 PM  

Tyee: Possibly. But it is obvious Putin holds little regard for Obama and his threats, that was my point. That is what the Obama Defence Team has mobilized against. They haven't said that Putin respects and fears Obama, they just won't admit he doesn't.


1. It's amazing how you guys equate "respect" and "fear".
2. There's another point being made, and that is that what you are suggesting is critical is not only subjective, but irrelevant.
 
2014-03-03 03:34:58 PM  
What this thread makes me think of.


i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-03-03 03:35:22 PM  

vygramul: Heck, the Ukraine sent a regiment to Iraq with America. See what that bought them?

"Who? Why? What have they done for us?"


Buh?
 
2014-03-03 03:35:36 PM  

Tyee: Obama has all but made the US irrelevant on the world stage in only five years.  He commands such little respect internationally theses days.  The silver lining is we don't need to be involved, that is, other than our NATO obligations...


You must be trolling because nobody is that stupid.
 
2014-03-03 03:36:47 PM  
That's not true, subby.
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-03 03:37:23 PM  

Tyee: Almost Everybody Poops: His point is that in all likely hood Putin would have done this regardless of who the US President is. This is more about Putin being a megalomaniac than anything Obama has said or done.

Possibly.  But it is obvious Putin holds little regard for Obama and his threats, that was my point. That is what the Obama Defence Team has mobilized against.  They haven't said that Putin respects and fears Obama, they just won't admit he doesn't.  As for the; but any other president.... blah, blah, blah isn't relevant to Obama and Putin's relationship, however deflection from it seems to be strangely necessary.


If the past is any indication, it's pretty clear Putin does what Putin wants and fark the consequences.  Regardless of what he thinks about Obama, it seems apparent that this is going to have a huge negative economic impact on Russia (today being some evidence).  NATO is holding a meeting tomorrow and the EU + US on Thursday, and they've been very clear that sanctions are certainly on the table, which could exacerbate the blow to their economy.  In other words, I don't think ol' Pooty poots has thought his whole plan through, but I guess we'll see in the coming days.
 
2014-03-03 03:38:34 PM  

Skleenar: Tyee: Possibly. But it is obvious Putin holds little regard for Obama and his threats, that was my point. That is what the Obama Defence Team has mobilized against. They haven't said that Putin respects and fears Obama, they just won't admit he doesn't.

1. It's amazing how you guys equate "respect" and "fear".
2. There's another point being made, and that is that what you are suggesting is critical is not only subjective, but irrelevant.


Thank you.  The Derp was so think I couldn't even conceptualize a response.  You said it so much better than I could have.
 
2014-03-03 03:38:36 PM  
www.washingtonpost.com
Members of the Crimean self-defense unit stand guard at the local government headquarters in Simferopol, Crimea, on Sunday. (REUTERS/David Mdzinarishvili)

Russian Religious Fanatics...awesome
 
2014-03-03 03:40:54 PM  

Skleenar: 1. It's amazing how you guys equate "respect" and "fear".


Who are "you guys"?
And you are familiar with respect and fear not meaning being afraid aren't you?  To respect and fear doesn't mean Putin has to be thinking of a military threat to have respect and fear.  It is a commonly used phrase that shouldn't have to be explained.
I personally fear the turtle, but in now way expect the Maryland mascot to invoke violence upon me.

You've become so tiresome because of having to explain everything to you.
 
2014-03-03 03:42:10 PM  
Ukraine has 5 nuclear power plants--two of which are in the disputed Eastern region of the country. I would support a VERY limited mission of NATO forces securing these facilities to ensure that neither side could attempt to create another Chernobyl.
 
2014-03-03 03:45:42 PM  

clancifer: NeoAnderthal: This reminds me of Bill Clinton constantly wagging his impotent finger at Saddam Hussein. we all saw what that got us. This is exactly why liberals have the deserved reputation for being pussies on the world stage.

It got us not having a trillion+ spent on an unnecessary war? It got us not having 4k dead soldiers and tens of thousands wounded?


You're literally retarded if you think that 4k dead and 20k wounded makes for a major war. That's a farking border skirmish in just about any other period in history.
 
2014-03-03 03:46:56 PM  

The Bruce Dickinson: [www.washingtonpost.com image 606x398]
Members of the Crimean self-defense unit stand guard at the local government headquarters in Simferopol, Crimea, on Sunday. (REUTERS/David Mdzinarishvili)

Russian Religious Fanatics...awesome


Christians know a thing or two about martyrdom.  Whatever Putin decides, the repercussions could out live him.
 
2014-03-03 03:50:14 PM  

youmightberight: clancifer: NeoAnderthal: This reminds me of Bill Clinton constantly wagging his impotent finger at Saddam Hussein. we all saw what that got us. This is exactly why liberals have the deserved reputation for being pussies on the world stage.

It got us not having a trillion+ spent on an unnecessary war? It got us not having 4k dead soldiers and tens of thousands wounded?

You're literally retarded if you think that 4k dead and 20k wounded makes for a major war. That's a farking border skirmish in just about any other period in history.


And this has fark-all to do with the point you're responding to.
 
2014-03-03 03:50:55 PM  
The most significant thing, arguably, that the Obama presidency has done in worldwide affairs is bring back respect to the effectiveness of the US as a global leader. Bush had tons of it in the form of sympathy after he got caught off guard on 911. But he quickly squandered it with his thoughtless rampaging. Obama has since cultivated a strong voice with his reserve, diplomacy, resolve and decisive action when necessary. He personally has earned great respect throughout the world. Only a idiot would think otherwise.
 
2014-03-03 03:52:57 PM  

clancifer: NeoAnderthal: This reminds me of Bill Clinton constantly wagging his impotent finger at Saddam Hussein. we all saw what that got us. This is exactly why liberals have the deserved reputation for being pussies on the world stage.

It got us not having a trillion+ spent on an unnecessary war? It got us not having 4k dead soldiers and tens of thousands wounded?


Wait, given the choice of a Clinton-style No Fly Zone or a Bush style Invasion-then-a-decade of clusterfark, we're liking the clusterfark better?
 
2014-03-03 03:53:21 PM  

qorkfiend: vygramul: Heck, the Ukraine sent a regiment to Iraq with America. See what that bought them?

"Who? Why? What have they done for us?"

Buh?


"It's Russia's sphere of influence."

"We have no business over there."
 
2014-03-03 03:58:37 PM  

super_grass: How about economic sanctions against its oil exports? How about a ban on luxury exports into Russia? How about kicking it out of the G8? How about restrictions on tech imports?

For fark's sakes we do the same thing to China and Iran.


HAhahahahahahah hahahahahah OMG LMFAO.. You are hilarious. If you'd lay down the weed for a moment and do some google foo you would realize how absolutely saying we do that to China (owns us) and Iran(by the way no one is friends with Iran or really trades with them) OMFG LOL
 
2014-03-03 04:00:02 PM  

Cup_O_Jo: China (owns us)


Jesus christ, do you get your news from your cereal box or the daily show or something?
 
2014-03-03 04:03:23 PM  
The American Military Complex doesn't function optimally unless there's a person in charge of a foreign state (or similar organization) onto whom all the idealized attributes of pure evil can be projected.

Tough luck, Kim Jong-Un, you haven't paid enough dues to be a main eventer yet.  For the time being, it's Vladimir "The Russian Bear" Putin that gets to wear the Big Gold Belt formerly held by Bin Laden, Hussein, Khomeini, Gorbachev, Tojo, Hitler, etc.
 
2014-03-03 04:05:52 PM  
It never ceases to amaze me that a few of the functionally retarded (Republicans) care more about scoring political points when there are lives at risk. They want Obama to look bad and are willing to sacrifice anything to make it so.
 
2014-03-03 04:10:16 PM  

mistrmind: Superjew: mistrmind: Superjew: Nothing brings out the freeper retard brigade like a rainy monday morning.

Awwww, is your precious President just not doing it for you.   Awwww.  Poor baby.

That's funny, all the crying in here seems to be on your side of the crib.

Pro tip: that shiny thing you are getting angry at is called a mirror.

No crying here Whinny McWhinester.


That incessant whining you hear is coming from inside the freeperdome, you adorable little budgie, you.
 
2014-03-03 04:12:18 PM  

scut207: It never ceases to amaze me that a few of the functionally retarded (Republicans) care more about scoring political points when there are lives at risk. They want Obama to look bad and are willing to sacrifice anything to make it so.


Judging from this post it's not just republicans who make preemptive strikes against imagined enemies.
 
2014-03-03 04:12:35 PM  

Cup_O_Jo: China (owns us)


You're an idiot.
 
2014-03-03 04:14:51 PM  

Cup_O_Jo: China (owns us)


Since China only owns 8% of our debt, and the Japanese own 7%, does that mean the Japanese also own us?
 
2014-03-03 04:15:01 PM  

Cup_O_Jo: China (owns us)


wow
 
2014-03-03 04:19:38 PM  

mistrmind: BSABSVR: mistrmind: qorkfiend: mistrmind: pup.socket: Actually, there is a lot Obama and the US can do about it that doesn't involve military action.


Thank you for the biggest laugh I've had all day.

You believe the only options are "Invade now" or "do nothing"?

I believe we have many options to weigh.   However, we're talking Obama here, who is pretty much ineffective and bogged down as a President.   He's more concerned on how he looks than on what the correct course of action should be.

And you would do what exactly?

Nothing.  How does this affect the United States?
Is it worth sacrificing American troops?   Is it strategically important?   Really we should just focus on our country and our national interests.


Literally nothing as in say and do nothing, or nothing as in militarily?  Since Merkel is already in discussions with Putin, it's unlikely that even the doviest of doves could be expected to just walk away and say "leave me out of it".
 
2014-03-03 04:21:19 PM  

Almost Everybody Poops: Cup_O_Jo: China (owns us)

wow


Almost Everybody Poops, meet Cup_O-Jo.  She is literally wrong about everything that has ever happened.
 
2014-03-03 04:29:39 PM  

BSABSVR: Almost Everybody Poops, meet Cup_O-Jo.


It takes the "Almost" out of that username?
 
2014-03-03 04:38:36 PM  
That's some great journalism, right there. First he says there are no "consequences" and Obama was foolish for suggesting there were. Then, he says there are things that the U.S. can do, but suggests Putin won't care. Then he suggests things that Obama should have done but also says Putin might not care about those things, either.

/might get twitter just to follow this intellectual giant
 
2014-03-03 04:52:20 PM  

geek_mars: That's some great journalism, right there. First he says there are no "consequences" and Obama was foolish for suggesting there were. Then, he says there are things that the U.S. can do, but suggests Putin won't care. Then he suggests things that Obama should have done but also says Putin might not care about those things, either.

/might get twitter just to follow this intellectual giant


So, you too felt that the author was making unsupportable statements and undermining his own arguments? It's as if he didn't know where he was going and boldly going there.
 
2014-03-03 05:21:09 PM  

Cup_O_Jo: super_grass: How about economic sanctions against its oil exports? How about a ban on luxury exports into Russia? How about kicking it out of the G8? How about restrictions on tech imports?

For fark's sakes we do the same thing to China and Iran.

HAhahahahahahah hahahahahah OMG LMFAO.. You are hilarious. If you'd lay down the weed for a moment and do some google foo you would realize how absolutely saying we do that to China (owns us) and Iran(by the way no one is friends with Iran or really trades with them) OMFG LOL


So 7% of our debt is "owning" us?
 
2014-03-03 05:29:04 PM  
Is Slate always this farking big of a wet blanket?

Or is this just subby's pounding apathy clawing to the surface?

/drtfa
 
2014-03-03 05:41:39 PM  
Obama should have learned after he fumbled Syria, to never make threats he will not back up.
 
2014-03-03 06:22:12 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Obama should have learned after he fumbled Syria, to never make threats he will not back up.


Artist's conception of your news gathering process:

cdn2.holytaco.com
 
2014-03-03 06:32:03 PM  

Skleenar: Nemo's Brother: Obama should have learned after he fumbled Syria, to never make threats he will not back up.

Artist's conception of your news gathering process:

[cdn2.holytaco.com image 610x367]


Apparently, the real lesson is that Obama shouldn't make threats that result in them backing down.
 
2014-03-03 07:03:22 PM  
Wow, even Slate is pointing out President Dipshiat's farkups now?  LOL
 
2014-03-03 07:10:17 PM  

SunsetLament: Wow, even Slate is pointing out President Dipshiat's farkups now?  LOL


Which farkups?
 
2014-03-03 07:12:56 PM  

danknerd: manbart: Why should the United States be obligated to intervene? If anything, the US should formerly exit NATO, what is the point of being a member anyway?

Why should I care if Russia invades Crimea?

Because Ukraine gave up their nukes for protection by the U.S. (and others), if the U.S. doesn't honor the treaty, the U.S. looks weak and not trustworthy. Plus, then all the treaties of Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons go right out the window and every country will then want to protect themselves directly with Nukes instead of the international communities coming in.


I don't think he was looking for an answer.  Apparently he still thinks people in other nations don't have the ability to cross the ocean.
 
2014-03-03 07:13:31 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Wow, even Slate is pointing out President Dipshiat's farkups now?  LOL

Which farkups?


You might want to read the thread title before posting.
 
2014-03-03 07:17:08 PM  

SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Wow, even Slate is pointing out President Dipshiat's farkups now?  LOL

Which farkups?

You might want to read the thread title before posting.


How is it a farkup to disapprove of Russia massing its military at the border of Ukraine? What specifically would you have Obama do?
 
2014-03-03 07:24:16 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Wow, even Slate is pointing out President Dipshiat's farkups now?  LOL

Which farkups?

You might want to read the thread title before posting.

How is it a farkup to disapprove of Russia massing its military at the border of Ukraine? What specifically would you have Obama do?


And guess what, there are consequences and Russia is feeling them, like their currency tanking and their market crashing. And this is just from speculation that the west will isolate them. Wait til everybody moves to isolate them.
 
2014-03-03 07:24:51 PM  
NeoAnderthal: ...  This is exactly why liberals have the deserved reputation for being pussies on the world stage.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-03 07:25:32 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Wow, even Slate is pointing out President Dipshiat's farkups now?  LOL

Which farkups?

You might want to read the thread title before posting.

How is it a farkup to disapprove of Russia massing its military at the border of Ukraine? What specifically would you have Obama do?


Well, either (a) not behave and campaign like a limp wrist for the last 5-6 years, or (b) not threaten something he has absolutely no intention of following through with (again).
 
2014-03-03 07:26:38 PM  

ongbok: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Wow, even Slate is pointing out President Dipshiat's farkups now?  LOL

Which farkups?

You might want to read the thread title before posting.

How is it a farkup to disapprove of Russia massing its military at the border of Ukraine? What specifically would you have Obama do?

And guess what, there are consequences and Russia is feeling them, like their currency tanking and their market crashing. And this is just from speculation that the west will isolate them. Wait til everybody moves to isolate them.


I'm sure Putin is going hungry tonight and crying in his bread and water.
 
2014-03-03 07:36:49 PM  

SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Wow, even Slate is pointing out President Dipshiat's farkups now?  LOL

Which farkups?

You might want to read the thread title before posting.

How is it a farkup to disapprove of Russia massing its military at the border of Ukraine? What specifically would you have Obama do?

Well, either (a) not behave and campaign like a limp wrist for the last 5-6 years, or (b) not threaten something he has absolutely no intention of following through with (again).


Dude went Ghengis Khan on Iran to get them to the table. WTF are you talking about?
 
2014-03-03 07:37:04 PM  

SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Wow, even Slate is pointing out President Dipshiat's farkups now?  LOL

Which farkups?

You might want to read the thread title before posting.

How is it a farkup to disapprove of Russia massing its military at the border of Ukraine? What specifically would you have Obama do?

Well, either (a) not behave and campaign like a limp wrist for the last 5-6 years, or (b) not threaten something he has absolutely no intention of following through with (again).


Considering there may be sanctions. We get it, you hate Obama no matter what he does.
 
2014-03-03 07:42:56 PM  

SunsetLament: Well, either (a) not behave and campaign like a limp wrist for the last 5-6 years, or (b) not threaten something he has absolutely no intention of following through with (again).


Homophobe-like typing detected.
 
2014-03-03 07:43:27 PM  

iq_in_binary: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Zeppelininthesky: SunsetLament: Wow, even Slate is pointing out President Dipshiat's farkups now?  LOL

Which farkups?

You might want to read the thread title before posting.

How is it a farkup to disapprove of Russia massing its military at the border of Ukraine? What specifically would you have Obama do?

Well, either (a) not behave and campaign like a limp wrist for the last 5-6 years, or (b) not threaten something he has absolutely no intention of following through with (again).

Dude went Ghengis Khan on Iran to get them to the table. WTF are you talking about?


Yep. He got Syria to give up its chemical weapons and convinced Iran to give up its nuclear program. The GOP was against it at every turn. If he did the opposite, the GOP would be against him at every turn.
 
2014-03-03 07:44:00 PM  

SunsetLament: (b) not threaten something he has absolutely no intention of following through with (again).


Why not? We could threaten attack, send a couple of destroyers through the straits, and then have Putin come forward with a surprise deal to pull all Russian troops out of the Crimea, embarrassing us again.

It would totally be a win for Putin, of course. Just like in Syria.
 
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