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(International Business Times)   British politicians call for 'Nordic model' of prostitution. Hard to see how anyone could get upset by having Nordic models as prostitutes   (ibtimes.co.uk) divider line 82
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2014-03-03 08:24:42 AM
Not enough variety.
 
2014-03-03 09:04:59 AM
Too much white girl ass.
 
2014-03-03 09:17:39 AM
Uhhh...can I see examples first, please?
/tyvm
 
2014-03-03 09:20:27 AM
Seems to me that if anyone is criminalized, it should be people who are forcing women into prostitution against their will. If we shift the criminal prosecution from the supply side to the demand side, are we just letting the people committing the most heinous crimes off the hook?
 
2014-03-03 09:21:55 AM
What about a 'Nordic Model' of bookmarking threads?
 
2014-03-03 09:22:10 AM
Can we get a picture of what a Nordic Model might look like?
 
2014-03-03 09:23:05 AM
FTFA: "the burden of criminality should weigh heaviest on those who purchase sex - who create demand."

You know what creates a "demand" for sex? Men being alive, having women within their field of vision, or imagination, or hearing.
 
2014-03-03 09:23:25 AM

meanmutton: Seems to me that if anyone is criminalized, it should be people who are forcing women into prostitution against their will. If we shift the criminal prosecution from the supply side to the demand side, are we just letting the people committing the most heinous crimes off the hook?


This is my uneducated guess here, but I'll bet that coercing women into prostitution without consent is illegal in Scandinavia and every other Western country,
 
2014-03-03 09:24:07 AM
Bookmark

/I'll be back
 
2014-03-03 09:27:39 AM
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-03 09:28:58 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [img.fark.net image 660x448]


That's not a she...
 
2014-03-03 09:30:02 AM
Now we're getting somewhere!  I predict there will be bipartisan support for this measure.

/Maybe the French model for mistresses should be adopted, also.
//And the German model for bondage and discipline.
///We could name it the RAWR!!! bill.
 
2014-03-03 09:30:45 AM
Oh, please make this happen here in the US. The apocalyptic level of right wing warrgarbl will be a wonder to behold.
 
2014-03-03 09:32:45 AM
And again, just like every other time this comes up, many of the women involved will say "F*ck off, this is what we do for a living, please don't make my life harder", but they will be ignored by the moral crusaders, the politicians who want to impress the moral crusaders and that (large) portion of the feminist community that want to enforce behavioural standards on other women in the name of equality.

Meanwhile the 'customers' will simply find a discrete way to carry on doing what they're doing, and real progress on human trafficking  will be foiled again because YOU CAN'T FIND THE KIDNAPPERS IF YOU MAKE EVERYONE HIDE.


fark's sake, honestly.
 
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2014-03-03 09:33:24 AM

zulius: Uhhh...can I see examples first, please?

This is the first thing that came up on GIS so it must be representative.



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2014-03-03 09:34:43 AM

TV's Vinnie: Oh, please make this happen here in the US. The apocalyptic level of right wing warrgarbl will be a wonder to behold.


I think someone like Bernie Sanders should talk this up in the Senate for precisely this reason.

Even if they can't get the legislation passed, any time you can get the Republicans talking about prostitution, they're bound to say something incredibly stupid.
 
2014-03-03 09:41:10 AM
Unfortunately, it won't make a difference as there isn't one lass on that rotten island up to Nordic levels of beauty.

though I bet the gum jobs are great
 
2014-03-03 09:41:57 AM
While they're at it, make selling drugs legal and focus on putting the user in jail.
 
2014-03-03 09:46:48 AM
What a Nordic model may look like:
http://imgur.com/EkL1hdA
 
2014-03-03 09:47:39 AM
Why is it that the Free Market seems to work everywhere except for places where it might make right-wingers feel "icky?"
 
2014-03-03 09:49:31 AM

zulius: Uhhh...can I see examples first, please?
/tyvm


iwritealot.com

She has Nordic blood in her
 
2014-03-03 09:51:46 AM
rob.nu
 
2014-03-03 09:52:36 AM
cdn.niketalk.com
 
2014-03-03 10:05:09 AM

AbiNormal: [cdn.niketalk.com image 500x399]


The justification on the bottom line is off oh I see what you did there.
 
2014-03-03 10:07:51 AM
Nordic model (probably safe for work)
 
2014-03-03 10:08:17 AM

Skarekrough: Why is it that the Free Market seems to work everywhere except for places where it might make right-wingers feel "icky?"


As you'll note, this solution doesn't try a free market solution either. It's just another version of the leftist line, "women always right, men always wrong" .
 
2014-03-03 10:12:59 AM

hp6sa: What a Nordic model may look like:
http://imgur.com/EkL1hdA


I bit and swallowed hook, line and sinker.  **fist bump**
 
2014-03-03 10:13:09 AM

gerrymander: Skarekrough: Why is it that the Free Market seems to work everywhere except for places where it might make right-wingers feel "icky?"

As you'll note, this solution doesn't try a free market solution either. It's just another version of the leftist line, "women always right, men always wrong" .


As opposed to the "rightest" line, "women are irresponsible tempting sluts and men are so oppressed in this nation led almost entirely by men".
 
2014-03-03 10:13:43 AM

gerrymander: Skarekrough: Why is it that the Free Market seems to work everywhere except for places where it might make right-wingers feel "icky?"

As you'll note, this solution doesn't try a free market solution either. It's just another version of the leftist line, "women always right, men always wrong" .


Right-wing: Criminalise the dirty women doing the nasty things
Left-wing: Criminalise the men forcing the poor women to do the nasty things

Meanwhile none of this actually reduces prostitution or tackles human trafficking. It's like the drug war 2.0, or possibly the drug war 1.0 as people have been trying to stop prostitution since the dawn of time. It's never worked. But by all means keep farking that chicken.
 
2014-03-03 10:17:56 AM

gerrymander: Skarekrough: Why is it that the Free Market seems to work everywhere except for places where it might make right-wingers feel "icky?"

As you'll note, this solution doesn't try a free market solution either. It's just another version of the leftist line, "women always right, men always wrong" .


As opposed to the rightist line "Hey everyone, the line starts here for my sister/wife!"
 
2014-03-03 10:36:12 AM

Skarekrough: Why is it that the Free Market seems to work everywhere except for places where it might make right-wingers feel "icky?"


Because right-wingers are illogical, hypocritical dickheads.
 
2014-03-03 10:39:49 AM
Prosecute the johns instead of the prostitutes? Never going to happen.

For the same reason that we don't go after the people who hire illegal immigrants instead of the immigrants.

$$
 
2014-03-03 10:45:48 AM
The last time the Nordic X came to England in droves, it was to rape and pillage.
 
2014-03-03 10:48:04 AM
"Hey, babe! I've got a twelve inch penis!"
 
2014-03-03 10:51:24 AM

sbchamp: "Hey, babe! I've got a twelve inchmillimeter penis!"


FTFY
 
2014-03-03 11:01:07 AM
"Cool" tag, really subby?
 
2014-03-03 11:02:51 AM

gerrymander: As you'll note, this solution doesn't try a free market solution either. It's just another version of the leftist line, "women always right, men always wrong" .


wyltoknow: As opposed to the "rightest" line, "women are irresponsible tempting sluts and men are so oppressed in this nation led almost entirely by men".



So why not try a reasonable middle of the road approach of, say, sex between consenting adults is their own farking business and no one else's??

/see what I did there?

Oh, and:

TV's Vinnie: Because right[insert any direction here]-wingers are illogical, hypocritical dickheads.

 
2014-03-03 11:12:54 AM
Came for Nordic models, leaving with blue balls.
 
2014-03-03 11:20:04 AM

Pangea: Prosecute the johns instead of the prostitutes? Never going to happen.


What are you talking about, they do prostitution stings all the time. In some places it is an easy way to get publicly shamed even before a conviction.
 
2014-03-03 11:24:21 AM

gerrymander: Skarekrough: Why is it that the Free Market seems to work everywhere except for places where it might make right-wingers feel "icky?"

As you'll note, this solution doesn't try a free market solution either. It's just another version of the leftist line, "women always right, men always wrong" .


Awwww, you're cute when you get all derpy like that.
 
2014-03-03 11:27:12 AM
Evangelical Christian Gavin Shuker led the report into the Nordic model

Farkers' heads a splode.
 
2014-03-03 11:32:37 AM
How about they go with a reasonable model, anad make prostitution legal?

Still waiting to see Harper's attempt to get around the court decision and keep prostitution illegal.
 
2014-03-03 11:34:21 AM

Son of Thunder: Evangelical Christian Gavin Shuker led the report into the Nordic model

Farkers' heads a splode.


Why?

The 'Nordic Model' involves creating more criminals. I don't know if most of you folks bothered to even think past "Nordic Models!" but the Nordic model of prostitution decriminalises only the women that do it, keeps any sort of brothel or security for them illegal and criminalises their customers. It's not like it's some sort of (real, not USA) liberal ideal where everything gets legalised, regulated and (to some extent) sanitised.
 
2014-03-03 11:46:29 AM

Munchkin City Coroner: gerrymander: As you'll note, this solution doesn't try a free market solution either. It's just another version of the leftist line, "women always right, men always wrong" .

wyltoknow: As opposed to the "rightest" line, "women are irresponsible tempting sluts and men are so oppressed in this nation led almost entirely by men".


So why not try a reasonable middle of the road approach of, say, sex between consenting adults is their own farking business and no one else's??


The thing is, that's what the UK already has, more or less. Prostitution is legal. There are all kinds of related things that aren't legal, like pimping and streetwalking, but the basic principle of 'exchange money for sex privately' is already the law of the land.

Going to the Nordic model is a huge step backwards.
 
2014-03-03 12:17:15 PM

gerrymander: Munchkin City Coroner: gerrymander: As you'll note, this solution doesn't try a free market solution either. It's just another version of the leftist line, "women always right, men always wrong" .

wyltoknow: As opposed to the "rightest" line, "women are irresponsible tempting sluts and men are so oppressed in this nation led almost entirely by men".


So why not try a reasonable middle of the road approach of, say, sex between consenting adults is their own farking business and no one else's??

The thing is, that's what the UK already has, more or less. Prostitution is legal. There are all kinds of related things that aren't legal, like pimping and streetwalking, but the basic principle of 'exchange money for sex privately' is already the law of the land.

Going to the Nordic model is a huge step backwards.


So the UK uses the same method as Canada, "prostitution is legal, but you can't do it without breaking all these other laws"?

If you want to protect prostitutes, legitimize their actions and make it feasible for them to come forward.

You think criminalizing their customers will facilitate this? If a prostitute is known to go to the police, do you think they will get a lot of business?

The best case is for it to be practiced legally, indoors, and with a group of people working together and able to provide for security. In other words, a brothel.

This doesn't mean you cannot prosecute people involved in human trafficing, exploitation, etc. It removes one obstacle stopping their victims from coming forward.
 
2014-03-03 12:31:46 PM

zulius: Uhhh...can I see examples first, please?
/tyvm


img.gawkerassets.com
 
2014-03-03 12:35:44 PM

Gothnet: gerrymander: Skarekrough: Why is it that the Free Market seems to work everywhere except for places where it might make right-wingers feel "icky?"

As you'll note, this solution doesn't try a free market solution either. It's just another version of the leftist line, "women always right, men always wrong" .

Right-wing: Criminalise the dirty women doing the nasty things
Left-wing: Criminalise the men forcing the poor women to do the nasty things

Meanwhile none of this actually reduces prostitution or tackles human trafficking. It's like the drug war 2.0, or possibly the drug war 1.0 as people have been trying to stop prostitution since the dawn of time. It's never worked. But by all means keep farking that chicken.


Prostitution (or to be precise, the use of prostitutes) seems to be one of those human things, like drinking alcohol, that some people simply MUST do.  Those people who need* prostitutes will continue to pay for them, no matter how many laws you enact.  And, human nature being what it is, so long as there are people who need prostitutes, there will be people and groups willing to supply that need.  So, yes, I think trying to end prostitution is futile.  And when you have something like prostitution or alcohol that simply will not go away, no matter what, criminalizing it is wasted effort.  Far better to use law enforcement to mitigate it.

So, yes.  Far better to keep it legal, and regulate it for health and safety.  Keep it out in the open and take steps to ensure worker's rights.  What we need, to put it simply, is safety regulations and health inspectors.  Not arrests and jail sentences.

After those steps are put into place, then it would be good to look at why people hire prostitutes (as opposed to getting sexual gratification by some other means) and seeing what, if anything, can be done to address that.

*I realize that many will argue that nobody NEEDS to hire a prostitute but I'm speaking pragmatically.  I mean "need" in the way a meth addict "needs" meth and will commit crimes to procure it.
 
2014-03-03 12:41:36 PM

gerrymander: Munchkin City Coroner: gerrymander: As you'll note, this solution doesn't try a free market solution either. It's just another version of the leftist line, "women always right, men always wrong" .

wyltoknow: As opposed to the "rightest" line, "women are irresponsible tempting sluts and men are so oppressed in this nation led almost entirely by men".


So why not try a reasonable middle of the road approach of, say, sex between consenting adults is their own farking business and no one else's??

The thing is, that's what the UK already has, more or less. Prostitution is legal. There are all kinds of related things that aren't legal, like pimping and streetwalking, but the basic principle of 'exchange money for sex privately' is already the law of the land.



I asked before in another prostitution thread, but I don't think anyone answered.  If you're going to make prostitution legal, I can see why you might make some associated activities such as streetwalking and pimping illegal, but why brothels?

Are not brothels the most sane, non-disruptive way to have legal prostitution?  Why is having a prostitute do business out of her own apartment better?
 
2014-03-03 12:42:15 PM

Sgt Otter: zulius: Uhhh...can I see examples first, please?
/tyvm

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I used to be a prostitute like her, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
 
2014-03-03 12:43:03 PM
So they want to make it, legal to sell but illegal to buy?
 
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