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(The Big Story)   California Uber Alles: Jerry Brown said he is not sure legalizing marijuana is a good idea in his state because the country could lose its competitive edge if too many people are getting stoned   (bigstory.ap.org) divider line 26
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2014-03-03 08:01:36 AM  
4 votes:
"the country could lose its competitive edge if too many people are getting stoned "

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2014-03-02 10:37:46 PM  
4 votes:

Delawheredad: Jerry, a huge portion of the population right NOW is stoned. Society functions well despite the stoners not because of it


California already has some of the most relaxed medical marijuana laws in the nation.  Pretty much anyone who wants it can get it, and can go to a walk-in doctor's office, say they have anxiety or something, and walk out with a marijuana card.  Legalization for recreational use probably wouldn't spike the actual use rate in CA much.

Plus, just like alcohol, most people who use it recreationally will do so in a manner that doesn't interfere with their work or personal lives.  Yes, some will abuse it, but the number who let it get in the way of their day to day lives will be so small it's not worth considering.
2014-03-03 07:40:46 AM  
2 votes:
People who are single-issue on weed are as stupid and worthless as people who are single issue over guns.
Or anything else - single issue voters are a cancer on democracy.
2014-03-03 06:58:53 AM  
2 votes:

RobSeace: borg: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Oh, him? He's harmless. Back in the sixties, he was part of the free speech movement at Berkeley

/I think he did a little too much LDS

Jerry Brown was never part of the free speech movement at Berkeley he graduated in 1961 and was long gone  not to mention  his dad was governor of California at the time and he would not have wanted to harm his father's chances for reelection or a run for president.  Brown is an out of touch moron who will sadly be reelected to a 4th term as governor. I'd rather see Gavin Newsome in that office.

*WOOOSH*

That was the sound of two humpback whales flying over your head...


There's a whole lot of double dumbass in this thread already.
2014-03-03 06:39:51 AM  
2 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Oh, him? He's harmless. Back in the sixties, he was part of the free speech movement at Berkeley

/I think he did a little too much LDS


Jerry Brown was never part of the free speech movement at Berkeley he graduated in 1961 and was long gone  not to mention  his dad was governor of California at the time and he would not have wanted to harm his father's chances for reelection or a run for president.  Brown is an out of touch moron who will sadly be reelected to a 4th term as governor. I'd rather see Gavin Newsome in that office.
2014-03-03 01:37:37 AM  
2 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: I'd say it's more of a cultural shift than an ideological one.  Younger voters are pushing for legalization because it doesn't have the negative stigma to them that it does to the boomers.


I agree that there's an age component, but I also think that like the end days of prohibition, there's just a practical recognition that current policy is a failure. It's not people persuaded by ideologically driven arguments, just practical admission that locking people up is not the answer.
2014-03-03 01:12:01 AM  
2 votes:

Triumph: whidbey: As if anyone needed any additional proof that Jerry Brown is full of shiat, or that he does not speak for progressives.

Legalizing pot has never been on the liberal agenda, but it has been a libertarian talking point for decades.


I don't mean to suggest there aren't plenty of liberals who want to see it legalized, just that if it was a big priority of "progressives," it would have been legalized long ago in states more "progressive" than Colorado and countries more progressive than the U.S. I think it's a confluence of moderates that made it happen, not radicals.
2014-03-02 11:53:55 PM  
2 votes:
The state exists for the good of the individual in these here United States, not the other way around.  You are speaking like a fascist, Governor Brown.
2014-03-02 10:30:14 PM  
2 votes:
Jerry, a huge portion of the population right NOW is stoned. Society functions well despite the stoners not because of it
2014-03-03 09:21:23 AM  
1 votes:

PawisBetlog: MayoSlather: Sgygus: The state exists for the good of the individual in these here United States, not the other way around.  You are speaking like a fascist, Governor Brown.

This seems to be lost politicians and big business. The population exists only as a pool of resources to them, and the idea people may not want to participate in their machine scares them. Marijuana poses no real threat in this regard, but it's funny how they squirm at the idea it might.

Furthermore, personal liberty should always trump what government believes is best for us, as it relates to our own personal choices and the risks we willingly expose ourselves to.

Until it potentially has a negative impact on your fellow man, then there needs to be a collective discussion and decision about it because we are a society, not a landmass with 300 million individual states.

If your exposing yourself to risks by extension exposes ME to risks, don't you think I should have some say in the matter? If not why not?


There are no risks to which you're being exposed. No one here is condoning driving under the influence, which is the risk I assume you are referencing.

Responsible driving is a separate issue from someone's right to consume a drug, as there is nothing in marijuana that compels someone to get in a car and drive. It's just like any other prescription drug, alcohol, drowsy or distracted driving; they all fall under driving responsibly.

If there is another risk you're being exposed to when some guy gets high, eats doritos, and has great sex then I'd love to hear it.
2014-03-03 09:03:16 AM  
1 votes:
If you're not free to put whatever you want in your body then you're not free at all.
2014-03-03 08:48:30 AM  
1 votes:

TwistedFark: MayoSlather: This is largely a giant equivocation trying to hide behind pragmatism.

I get that you doubt my sincerity, but my points can't be so easily dismissed. I already said I support decriminalization, I just would like it to be done, oh I don't know, better than we usually do things - which is fark all thought into it and badly.


You are assuming that we do things poorly because of incompetence, which does happen...However things largely suck because the system itself is mired in corruption, and people in power with goals that have little to do with the good of the people they were elected to serve, and everything to do with getting reelected and gaining power for their respective political parties.
2014-03-03 08:46:49 AM  
1 votes:
Yeah, what happened to that one loser stoner Jerry Brown ran against in the 90s?


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2014-03-03 08:04:00 AM  
1 votes:
Says the guy who used to do coke off of Linda Ronstadt's ass.
2014-03-03 07:52:51 AM  
1 votes:

TwistedFark: Think of it this way, he's using the scientific method and collecting empirical evidence before issuing another experiment. I think this is a smart thing to do.


By parroting anti-marijuana sentiment like "everyone's gonna be too stoned to do anything?"

It's farking disgraceful. Stop defending these people. And yes, this is the second Democrat that's been caught talking this kind of shiat.
2014-03-03 07:49:21 AM  
1 votes:

Notabunny: I don't think Brown is the least bit disingenuous or insincere. My guess is that he'll watch Colorado and Washington for a couple of years before taking a firm policy position.


I agree.

However, no matter how rational someone tries to act, there will always be some knee-jerk ideologues that find exercising common sense to be anathema.

Since someone else (or in this case, 2 someone else's) have already legalized pot, it makes a hell of a lot of sense to see what goes down with them and then try to either do the same, or better.

Anyway, this is pretty typical for Jerry Brown. He's been labelled with the "moonbat" moniker for years (oddly enough for suggesting that California launch it's own communications satellites, which of course, it did years later). The man is nothing if not pragmatic. I think you can be liberal socially and believe in providing basic human rights and needs for citizens and basically be conservative in how you go about doing this. Difficulty: americans have to re-learn the meaning of the word conservative.

Think of it this way, he's using the scientific method and collecting empirical evidence before issuing another experiment. I think this is a smart thing to do.
2014-03-03 07:37:22 AM  
1 votes:
I just can't stand the authoritarianism...

"Do what I say, because I think its best, damnit." No facts. No reason. Just, because, at heart, you're all a bunch of lame ass stoners... Ahh, taste the freedom.

Intolerable. Comments like Brown's are just madness. I don't know how a freedom loving people can just roll with the punches like this all the time. Not a good way to start the day... :-(
2014-03-03 07:32:36 AM  
1 votes:

whidbey: As if anyone needed any additional proof that Jerry Brown is full of shiat, or that he does not speak for progressives.


He's the first competent governor we have had in a couple of decades. He's also old, and not long for the political world.
As someone who actually has to live here, I'll settle for him for now - he won't be around long anyway.
2014-03-03 07:11:19 AM  
1 votes:
As opposed to America's Crack Cocaine problem that keeps getting Republicans elected...
2014-03-03 06:48:53 AM  
1 votes:
Your state might also lose its edge if a substantial part of its citizens who have done nothing worse than smoke or sell weed can't find work because they're branded as dangerous criminals.
2014-03-03 02:36:25 AM  
1 votes:

Peki: Radak: whidbey: Cause
I HATE YOU
I BERATE YOU
And I can't wait to get to you!

AlaMEEda?

Nuclear wessels.

/even Chekov got the nuclear part right though. :p


Bester Chekov is Best Chekov.
2014-03-03 01:23:23 AM  
1 votes:

Triumph: Triumph: whidbey: As if anyone needed any additional proof that Jerry Brown is full of shiat, or that he does not speak for progressives.

Legalizing pot has never been on the liberal agenda, but it has been a libertarian talking point for decades.

I don't mean to suggest there aren't plenty of liberals who want to see it legalized, just that if it was a big priority of "progressives," it would have been legalized long ago in states more "progressive" than Colorado and countries more progressive than the U.S. I think it's a confluence of moderates that made it happen, not radicals.



I'd say it's more of a cultural shift than an ideological one.  Younger voters are pushing for legalization because it doesn't have the negative stigma to them that it does to the boomers.
2014-03-03 01:21:48 AM  
1 votes:

Triumph: Triumph: whidbey: As if anyone needed any additional proof that Jerry Brown is full of shiat, or that he does not speak for progressives.

Legalizing pot has never been on the liberal agenda, but it has been a libertarian talking point for decades.

I don't mean to suggest there aren't plenty of liberals who want to see it legalized, just that if it was a big priority of "progressives," it would have been legalized long ago in states more "progressive" than Colorado and countries more progressive than the U.S. I think it's a confluence of moderates that made it happen, not radicals.


Progressives are not radicals. Groups like NORML were also not radicals but mainstream liberal progressives. I don't get your point at all, except your depiction of libertarians is a bit revisionist.
2014-03-03 12:45:32 AM  
1 votes:

whidbey: As if anyone needed any additional proof that Jerry Brown is full of shiat, or that he does not speak for progressives.


Legalizing pot has never been on the liberal agenda, but it has been a libertarian talking point for decades.
2014-03-03 12:38:49 AM  
1 votes:
As if anyone needed any additional proof that Jerry Brown is full of shiat, or that he does not speak for progressives.
2014-03-03 12:31:51 AM  
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: MaudlinMutantMollusk:

/I think he did a little too much LDS

He's a mormon?


I think he was a Jesuit

/but that wasn't the joke
 
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