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(Russia Today)   Crimea now has its own Navy as Ukrainian Naval Chief sides with the region. Because fark all y'all that's why   (rt.com) divider line 169
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2014-03-03 07:34:58 AM

Kuta: The Bestest: Crimea is almost an island, but it is a peninsula...

Latin:
"paene" = "almost"
"insula" = "island"


fc09.deviantart.net

/may have known that, but if so I forgot, so thanks
 
2014-03-03 07:40:16 AM
I wonder how far into barry's, "sniveling pleading begging please don't do this mr. President Putin sir" phone call did Putin tell obama to shut up, to not attempt to get involved with experienced world leader affairs and to just focus on his dopey obamacare train wreck scheme like he's been doing for the past 5 years.
I also wonder if barry whined about how the other world leaders laughed at obama's obvious lack of leadership or knowledge in these matters.
I also wonder if barry will be dropping some more of his "don't cross the redline" fake threats anytime soon.
 
2014-03-03 07:57:19 AM

Launch Code: I wonder how far into barry's, "sniveling pleading begging please don't do this mr. President Putin sir" phone call did Putin tell obama to shut up, to not attempt to get involved with experienced world leader affairs and to just focus on his dopey obamacare train wreck scheme like he's been doing for the past 5 years.
I also wonder if barry whined about how the other world leaders laughed at obama's obvious lack of leadership or knowledge in these matters.
I also wonder if barry will be dropping some more of his "don't cross the redline" fake threats anytime soon.


Well, all that wondering should keep you out from underfoot, won't it?
 
2014-03-03 08:08:49 AM
This thread should be marched into the woods and shot.
 
2014-03-03 08:17:09 AM

Emposter: FTFA "Today the majority of the Ukrainian armed forces deployed in Crimea passed to the side of the authorities of the Crimean autonomous region. The transition was absolutely peaceful, without a single shot fired either by the military or by the forces of self-defense," a source told RIA Novosti news agency.

Well, that might make Russia think twice, at least for a minute...assuming that a peaceful transition means the forces are still at least somewhat functional.  They could still crush them, but the cost might not be considered worth it anymore.


Bullshiat, can we not link to Russian news sources. Not the most objectve on this subject. Ukrainian naval commanders have all reinforced loyalty to Ukraine (BBC)
 
2014-03-03 08:21:12 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: This thread should be marched into the woods and shot.


The weather is especially derby today.
 
2014-03-03 08:24:48 AM

Launch Code: I wonder how far into barry's, "sniveling pleading begging please don't do this mr. President Putin sir" phone call did Putin tell obama to shut up, to not attempt to get involved with experienced world leader affairs and to just focus on his dopey obamacare train wreck scheme like he's been doing for the past 5 years.
I also wonder if barry whined about how the other world leaders laughed at obama's obvious lack of leadership or knowledge in these matters.
I also wonder if barry will be dropping some more of his "don't cross the redline" fake threats anytime soon.


Sooooooo weeeeeeakkkkk...
 
2014-03-03 08:25:17 AM
What danzak said. Crimea does not have their own navy, they have their own traitor of an ex-Ukrainin Navy Chief, that's it.

Also nobody is willingly going to the Russian side. At most a bunch of Russian military with AK-74s and APCs forced their way into a military installation and pushed the defenders out of a couple of buildings with flashbangs. Nobody returned fire because current Ukrainian leadership doesn't want to be the first one to fire (although in my book running around a foreign country with assault rifles and armored vehicles, throwing flashbangs constitutes the first shot).
 
2014-03-03 08:35:28 AM

hestheone: I hope this doesn't screw up my deal for my mail order bride.


i was actually in ukraine just last month meeting the girl i met on a mail order bride site.  i'm sort of freaking out about this too.  as long as there is still uncertainty in kiev, she can't go and apply for her visa.  and she happens to live in odessa, which is just across the bay from the crimea.  i kind of feel lucky that i managed to go and visit her before the whole country fell apart, but now i'm wondering when i'll be able to see her again.
 
2014-03-03 08:40:27 AM
Part of what people are overlooking here are the full implications of failing to honor the '94 treaty.

Sure - it damages our reputation (and Britain's, and Russia's).

But that's not all.

If we're going to take nuclear disarmament seriously, if countries are to be willing to bargain away their nuclear weapons for promises of territorial integrity, people have to be able to rely upon those treaties to do what their nuclear weapons did for them..

Failing to honor '94 means the NEXT nuclear power can't be negotiated into giving up their weapons. Not with promises that are empirically meaningless. We're supposedly negotiating with Iran to stop getting nukes. They're probably looking at Ukraine and thinking, "Nope - there is no substitute for having a nuke."

And that's the real tragedy of the '94 agreement; not the obviousness of being unwilling to help, not the fact that we're confirming to Eastern Europeans that nothing's changed, and not the "no shiat" that this isn't a Soviet thing but a Russian thing to be a domineering asshole. It's that we've just removed the single most powerful tool we had to minimize the number of nukes in the world.
 
2014-03-03 08:41:27 AM
Well, since I can't post links, maybe I can post a news article, and y'all can Google it.

(Reuters) - President Barack Obama was caught on camera on Monday assuring outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that he will have "more flexibility" to deal with contentious issues like missile defense after the U.S. presidential election.

Obama, during talks in Seoul, urged Moscow to give him "space" until after the November ballot, and Medvedev said he would relay the message to incoming Russian president Vladimir Putin.

The unusually frank exchange came as Obama and Medvedev huddled together on the eve of a global nuclear security summit in the South Korean capital, unaware their words were being picked up by microphones as reporters were led into the room.

U.S. plans for an anti-missile shield have bedeviled relations between Washington and Moscow despite Obama's "reset" in ties between the former Cold War foes. Obama's Republican opponents have accused him of being too open to concessions to Russia on the issue.

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney seized on Obama's comment, calling it "alarming and troubling."

"This is no time for our president to be pulling his punches with the American people," Romney said in a campaign speech in San Diego.

/it's on the internet
//it will never go away
 
2014-03-03 08:41:50 AM

tlchwi02: we'd all like the ukraine to be free of russia and able to make its own decisions. sadly, there is not much we in the west can do other than send moral support.


Here are a few things that could help:

1) financial aid. After decades of corruption, Ukraine is broke. Aid from the EUROPEAN, US, Canada etc would go a very long way to stabilizing the situation in Ukraine. The current uncertain situation is really helping Putin. Some stability would help with securing the East and unoccupied parts of the South.

2) international pressure: economic sanctions, asset freezes and removal from the G8 (7). Russian economy relies heavily on oil and gas. That dependence can be exploited and sanctions would have an effective result. Threatening profits will put pressure on Putin from within.

3) military support: not boots on the ground, but NATO could help Ukraine secure its airspace but only if requested (which I think they have already). NATO or UN forces could also send observers to both Crimea and Kyiv (symbolic at this point). The worst case right now is for any side to start shooting, in fact I think Putins plan was that Ukrainian troops or self defense forces would do just that. The fact that they didn't has exposed him diplomatically.

4) give Putin a quiet way out of this. The man is an egomaniac, no way he leaves right now with all the international attention. He needs a quiet, backchannel way to end this.

Just my. 02
 
2014-03-03 08:49:39 AM

Tatterdemalian: Well, since I can't post links, maybe I can post a news article, and y'all can Google it.

(Reuters) - President Barack Obama was caught on camera on Monday assuring outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that he will have "more flexibility" to deal with contentious issues like missile defense after the U.S. presidential election.

Obama, during talks in Seoul, urged Moscow to give him "space" until after the November ballot, and Medvedev said he would relay the message to incoming Russian president Vladimir Putin.

The unusually frank exchange came as Obama and Medvedev huddled together on the eve of a global nuclear security summit in the South Korean capital, unaware their words were being picked up by microphones as reporters were led into the room.

U.S. plans for an anti-missile shield have bedeviled relations between Washington and Moscow despite Obama's "reset" in ties between the former Cold War foes. Obama's Republican opponents have accused him of being too open to concessions to Russia on the issue.

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney seized on Obama's comment, calling it "alarming and troubling."

"This is no time for our president to be pulling his punches with the American people," Romney said in a campaign speech in San Diego.

/it's on the internet
//it will never go away


This will have serious consequences in the next presidential election.
 
2014-03-03 09:03:30 AM
Wow, just looked at a map of Crimea, there's actually a river that runs through the middle of Crimea named Crimea River. As in "Cry Me A River", haha. Awesome. I'm just catching up to you folks who already knew that...
 
2014-03-03 09:20:50 AM

The Bestest: WhoopAssWayne: Putin humiliated Obama during the Syrian Crisis, owned him. That failure means we can't intervene in Crimea or Ukraine. Putin can do what he wants.

Are you talking about the failure that resulted in chemical weapons removal -without- having to commit US military forces?


Sorry buddy - they are still there.
 
2014-03-03 09:28:31 AM

youmightberight: The Bestest: WhoopAssWayne: Putin humiliated Obama during the Syrian Crisis, owned him. That failure means we can't intervene in Crimea or Ukraine. Putin can do what he wants.

Are you talking about the failure that resulted in chemical weapons removal -without- having to commit US military forces?

Sorry buddy - they are still there.


http://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ians/new-shipment-of-c he mical-weapons-leave-syria-114022700022_1.html
 
2014-03-03 10:39:30 AM

Agarista: A good re-cap for those of us who woke up late

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregsatell/2014/03/01/5-things-you-shoul d- know-about-putins-incursion-into-crimea/


Thanks for the link.
 
2014-03-03 10:43:17 AM

JackalRabbit: non-flushable wipes thread has more posts in it than this one.  what's that tell ya?


I'm starting to think this thread IS a non-flushable wipe.
 
2014-03-03 11:21:39 AM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Tatterdemalian: Well, since I can't post links, maybe I can post a news article, and y'all can Google it.

(Reuters) - President Barack Obama was caught on camera on Monday assuring outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that he will have "more flexibility" to deal with contentious issues like missile defense after the U.S. presidential election.

Obama, during talks in Seoul, urged Moscow to give him "space" until after the November ballot, and Medvedev said he would relay the message to incoming Russian president Vladimir Putin.

The unusually frank exchange came as Obama and Medvedev huddled together on the eve of a global nuclear security summit in the South Korean capital, unaware their words were being picked up by microphones as reporters were led into the room.

U.S. plans for an anti-missile shield have bedeviled relations between Washington and Moscow despite Obama's "reset" in ties between the former Cold War foes. Obama's Republican opponents have accused him of being too open to concessions to Russia on the issue.

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney seized on Obama's comment, calling it "alarming and troubling."

"This is no time for our president to be pulling his punches with the American people," Romney said in a campaign speech in San Diego.

/it's on the internet
//it will never go away

This will have serious consequences in the next presidential election.


Yeah Zer0bummeroingo is definitely NOT getting re-elected again
 
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