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(ESPN)   Marge Schott would not survive in today's racially sensitive world. But in the eighties...yeah, it was more tolerated back then. So hooray for progress   (espn.go.com) divider line 35
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2014-03-02 08:23:48 PM
It didn't do her much good then, either.
 
2014-03-02 08:27:27 PM
Well, it did eventually sink her in the 90s.  However, if you say "Hitler had the right idea, he just went too far," there's a problem.
 
2014-03-02 08:29:26 PM

MFAWG: It didn't do her much good then, either.


Although it took two suspensions of her ownership of the team by MLB (due to her racist and bigoted comments) to convince her to finally give up ownership of the Reds.
 
2014-03-02 08:47:25 PM
I sometimes make racially-based jokes that might reference outdated, and possibly insensitive stereotypes. None of that means I'm a racist, and reasonable people are well aware of that. But thank Bob I'm not a celebrity, or I'd be in f*cking rehab right now. Goddamn, I hate the hysterical witch-hunt for racists that happens on the internet and in the media. Retards. Oops, I did it again.
 
2014-03-02 08:51:49 PM

gayb: I sometimes make racially-based jokes that might reference outdated, and possibly insensitive stereotypes. None of that means I'm a racist, and reasonable people are well aware of that. But thank Bob I'm not a celebrity, or I'd be in f*cking rehab right now. Goddamn, I hate the hysterical witch-hunt for racists that happens on the internet and in the media. Retards. Oops, I did it again.


There's a difference between racist jokes and "Hitler had the right idea"
 
2014-03-02 08:55:19 PM
F*ck that biatch
 
2014-03-02 09:00:43 PM

llortcM_yllort: There's a difference between racist jokes and "Hitler had the right idea"


How do you know? It might have been a joke. It probably was. I sat near enough to hear the old gal at Reds games more than once growing up. She did nothing BUT crack jokes.
 
2014-03-02 09:09:30 PM

gayb: llortcM_yllort: There's a difference between racist jokes and "Hitler had the right idea"

How do you know? It might have been a joke. It probably was. I sat near enough to hear the old gal at Reds games more than once growing up. She did nothing BUT crack jokes.


That's not a joke and I pray you understand this. Nothing is funny about genocide.
 
2014-03-02 09:11:11 PM
I was wondering how the hell she DID manage to survive into the Nineties. Did she have nude pictures of Fay Vincent?
 
2014-03-02 09:18:18 PM

digistil: gayb: llortcM_yllort: There's a difference between racist jokes and "Hitler had the right idea"

How do you know? It might have been a joke. It probably was. I sat near enough to hear the old gal at Reds games more than once growing up. She did nothing BUT crack jokes.

That's not a joke and I pray you understand this. Nothing is funny about genocide.


Not even clown genocide? You can fit like a thousand of 'em in one cattle car.
 
2014-03-02 09:33:03 PM

digistil: That's not a joke and I pray you understand this. Nothing is funny about genocide.


Did you type that in your most serious voice? I think you're being rather intolerant of those for whom genocide is a way of life. Shameful.
 
2014-03-02 09:38:05 PM

digistil: gayb: llortcM_yllort: There's a difference between racist jokes and "Hitler had the right idea"

How do you know? It might have been a joke. It probably was. I sat near enough to hear the old gal at Reds games more than once growing up. She did nothing BUT crack jokes.

That's not a joke and I pray you understand this. Nothing is funny about genocide.


One death is but a pun. A million is a Richard Pryor act at the Apollo.
 
2014-03-02 09:39:10 PM
White racism no longer exists and is no longer a problem.  It was eradicated some time between MLK's assasination and Reagan leaving office.  If you don't want to believe me, ask any Republican...or bigot...and they will tell you the only racism today is practiced by blacks and librul policticians. Any apparent vestigal expressions of white racism are jokes, misunderstandings, or nutcases like that feller in North Dakota.
 
2014-03-02 09:49:43 PM

rjakobi: I was wondering how the hell she DID manage to survive into the Nineties. Did she have nude pictures of Fay Vincent?


Well back then it was almost unheard of to make someone give up property they paid for because they were racist.
 
2014-03-02 10:10:54 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: digistil: gayb: llortcM_yllort: There's a difference between racist jokes and "Hitler had the right idea"

How do you know? It might have been a joke. It probably was. I sat near enough to hear the old gal at Reds games more than once growing up. She did nothing BUT crack jokes.

That's not a joke and I pray you understand this. Nothing is funny about genocide.

Not even clown genocide? You can fit like a thousand of 'em in one cattle car.


One day, I'm going to become a powerful dictator and kill all of the jews and 1 clown.
 
2014-03-02 10:22:26 PM

gayb: llortcM_yllort: There's a difference between racist jokes and "Hitler had the right idea"

How do you know? It might have been a joke. It probably was. I sat near enough to hear the old gal at Reds games more than once growing up. She did nothing BUT crack jokes.


When you get called out by someone with that handle, you should realize it's time to hang it up for the thread
 
2014-03-02 11:16:17 PM

digistil: Nothing is funny about genocide.


What if it;s set to Benny Hill music? That makes most things funny.
 
2014-03-03 12:15:38 AM

digistil: That's not a joke and I pray you understand this. Nothing is funny about genocide.


Yeah. My grandfather died in a concentration camp...
 
2014-03-03 04:23:21 AM

llortcM_yllort: gayb: I sometimes make racially-based jokes that might reference outdated, and possibly insensitive stereotypes. None of that means I'm a racist, and reasonable people are well aware of that. But thank Bob I'm not a celebrity, or I'd be in f*cking rehab right now. Goddamn, I hate the hysterical witch-hunt for racists that happens on the internet and in the media. Retards. Oops, I did it again.

There's a difference between racist jokes and "Hitler had the right idea"


FTFA

 Or about Hitler being good in the beginning.

There's a difference between had the right idea and being good in the beginning.

The guy was Time Man of the Year FFS. Why do you think the German people went along with his later mad plans? Because they were all evil too? Maybe it had to do with revitalizing the economy in the 30s, and reversing the hated, and obviously unfair, Versailles Treaty.

Honestly, history doesn't repeat itself, it rhymes. People need to understand what happened in the past if they have any chance of avoiding similar situations in the future.
 
2014-03-03 04:50:26 AM
ctrl-f, "racist", nothing in the article.

ctrl-f, "bigoted", nothing in the article.

ctrl-f, "hate", nothing in the article.

Way to almost call Marge Schott out for being completely farking terrible, and then not quite do it.

She wasn't politically incorrect or a product of another time.  Plenty of people born a century ago weren't fans of Hitler.  She was a bigoted hate-filled racist.
 
2014-03-03 05:38:17 AM

Dafatone: ctrl-f, "racist", nothing in the article.

ctrl-f, "bigoted", nothing in the article.

ctrl-f, "hate", nothing in the article.

Way to almost call Marge Schott out for being completely farking terrible, and then not quite do it.

She wasn't politically incorrect or a product of another time.  Plenty of people born a century ago weren't fans of Hitler.  She was a bigoted hate-filled racist.


And an embarrassment to Cincinnati, and to the Reds. I toasted the day that biatch died. I may have even celebrated by eating chili, though when you eat chili so often, it's hard to remember one five way from the next.
 
2014-03-03 07:27:16 AM
Marge is that batshiat chainsmoking drunk-ass aunt we all seem to have...except this batshiat aunt had a multi-million-dollar fortune fall into her lap when her husband up and died.

The way she acted when John McSherry died on opening day, shiatcanning Davey Johnson because he was shacking up with his fiancee before getting married, not wanting to have scouts because "all they do is sit around and watch baseball games", not even having retired numbers on display at Riverfront because maybe that would have meant spending money...Marge was seriously cracked, and the bigotry was just one facet of it.

A box seat, a hot dog and a beer for under $20 at Riverfront was nice, but that's about the extent of the good.
 
2014-03-03 07:39:48 AM
renmagritte.edublogs.org
 
2014-03-03 08:20:31 AM
She wasn't very articulate. If she had said he stabilized their economy and got the trains running on time and stopped there would she have been alright? Having been raised by Cincinnati Germans, I can tell you that nobody around here learns about the Night Of A Thousand Knives.
 
2014-03-03 08:27:38 AM

Crewmannumber6: Having been raised by Cincinnati Germans, I can tell you that nobody around here learns about the Night Of A Thousand Knives.


That's some kind of goetta-related festival, right? No?
 
2014-03-03 09:14:15 AM

Crewmannumber6: She wasn't very articulate. If she had said he stabilized their economy and got the trains running on time and stopped there would she have been alright? Having been raised by Cincinnati Germans, I can tell you that nobody around here learns about the Night Of A Thousand Knives.


1) If you're a public figure, just don't spend time wondering what positive things you can or can't say about Hitler.

2) She also owned Nazi paraphernalia, made similarly boneheaded comments about black people, Japanese people, gay people, etc.  She also made other offensive comments about Jews.

3) If she had just made an offhand "Hitler gets a bad rap" comment once, and then handled the blowback well, it probably would have been bad press she could have overcome.  But when it's one of dozens of bigoted comments, it's a little more probable that she's just a bigot, and not an overzealous train scheduling enthusiast.
 
2014-03-03 09:32:59 AM
A lot of this is nonsense - she was not tolerated in the 80's; she did get in trouble and she was ridiculed publicly for her comments and tarnished as a racist in the media and by fans.  The article should have stopped after saying it could have been more difficult today if she paid any attention to social media or the ESPN machine, which she likely wouldn't.
 
2014-03-03 09:33:18 AM
It's so much better in today's sanitized society where just about everyone knows what they can and cannot say.
 
2014-03-03 12:33:20 PM

Gulper Eel: Marge is that batshiat chainsmoking drunk-ass aunt we all seem to have...except this batshiat aunt had a multi-million-dollar fortune fall into her lap when her husband up and died.

The way she acted when John McSherry died on opening day, shiatcanning Davey Johnson because he was shacking up with his fiancee before getting married, not wanting to have scouts because "all they do is sit around and watch baseball games", not even having retired numbers on display at Riverfront because maybe that would have meant spending money...Marge was seriously cracked, and the bigotry was just one facet of it.

A box seat, a hot dog and a beer for under $20 at Riverfront was nice, but that's about the extent of the good.


The sport of baseball in its entirety sucks.  Be thankful she injected some excitement into an otherwise boring, slow, and overwhelmingly dull "sport" that really doesn't deserve to be categorized as such.   Curling is more exciting.
 
2014-03-03 01:39:19 PM

Crewmannumber6: She wasn't very articulate. If she had said he stabilized their economy and got the trains running on time and stopped there would she have been alright? Having been raised by Cincinnati Germans, I can tell you that nobody around here learns about the Night Of A Thousand Knives.


Well, I've heard of Kristallnacht, and I've heard of the Night of the Long Knives, but the Night of a Thousand Knives?  Maybe you can fill me in.
 
2014-03-03 02:30:53 PM
"She couldn't have survived today," says attorney Robert Bennett, who negotiated Schott's first MLB suspension and whose clients included former President Bill Clinton and Defense Secretary Casper Weinberger.

I thought Berkeley Breathed made that name up...

/No I didn't. But I had no clue who it was until now.
 
2014-03-03 04:58:19 PM
The difference is that in the 1990s, Marge Schott was also a national media sensation, but she was presented as an oddity, a tough old lady who should be an object of pity, not scorn.

This story is from when Rick Reilly was still a Writer, not a hack collecting a paycheck (from ESPN now, no less).
 
2014-03-03 06:35:52 PM

NotoriousW.O.P: The difference is that in the 1990s, Marge Schott was also a national media sensation, but she was presented as an oddity, a tough old lady who should be an object of pity, not scorn.


Well, she damn well was an oddity. That article was a pretty definitive cataloguing of the crazy.
 
2014-03-03 09:55:40 PM

Gulper Eel: A box seat, a hot dog and a beer for under $20 at Riverfront was nice, but that's about the extent of the good.


I grew up in Cincinnati and being able to spend an afternoon at a Reds game for under $10 in the late 80's-early 90's was something I took for granted until I moved.  It really was great.  She'd also have bat boys and ushers bring you down to the dugout at random during weekday games that weren't heavily attended.  As awful as she was, she treated the stadium like her house, and she was an excellent hostess.
 
2014-03-04 08:01:27 AM

Lsherm: Gulper Eel: A box seat, a hot dog and a beer for under $20 at Riverfront was nice, but that's about the extent of the good.

I grew up in Cincinnati and being able to spend an afternoon at a Reds game for under $10 in the late 80's-early 90's was something I took for granted until I moved.  It really was great.  She'd also have bat boys and ushers bring you down to the dugout at random during weekday games that weren't heavily attended.  As awful as she was, she treated the stadium like her house, and she was an excellent hostess.


The only other place I ever got a deal as good was at an Expos game in Montreal in the late 90's, but that was partly because the exchange rates for Americans were freakin' fantastic back then. I was behind the plate with the scouts with a beer and a snack for about US$14. /csb

Too bad the Expos were owned by that colossal asshat Jeff Loria. I'd take three batshiat Marge Schotts over that crook any day.
 
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