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(PennLive)   "Sorry ma'am, you can't get unemployment because you quit your job because you didn't want to drive 35 miles to work. Deal with it"   (pennlive.com) divider line 211
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2014-03-03 12:10:34 AM  
I had a coworker pull the quitting her job and tried to collect unemployment, with less success.

Does remind me of when I decided to move to MI.  I was working at Little Caesar's when I smelled the shop closing in the air.  I even said something to the owner about the impending closure, which he denied.  So I quit and moved to MI, because I knew the owner didn't layoff anyone.  He just transferred his people to the nearest branch he owned, which was a one hour drive away, and we were only getting paid minimum wage.  Back in the day when minimum wage was below $5.  I could not have called it closer, the shop closed the week after I left.
 
2014-03-03 12:12:23 AM  

Saluki222: Is the dumbass the woman?  Looks like the judge made a simple decision based on current law and existing precedent.


I'm assuming she was going for a finding of "constructive dismissal".

I don't know what the rules are for constructive dismissal where she is, but NZ if she could show the employer did something to deliberately encourage or coerce her to quit, or weren't fair or reasonable, she would win.

Since the article gives no reason for the transfer, we can't judge whether they were being dicks or not.  Would she otherwise have been made redundant because there was no job left in her current place of work, or were they just transferring her for the sake of transferring her?
 
2014-03-03 12:46:38 AM  

tripleseven: A boss actually said to me "I will not lay you off, I will make you quit. There's no way I am paying unemployment for you"  And yes, he then proceeded to try everything to make me quit.  And I eventually did.  Although, three days later he called me and begged me to consult for him.

Yes, the American system is broken.


You state must suck.

In my state you're covered for being laid off or fired.  I would have just stopped showing up.

/currently commuting 90 miles round trip
//Get paid more than that, and can WFH 3 days a week
 
2014-03-03 12:56:39 AM  

whidbey: Gyrfalcon: Of course, everyone here is missing that she could have gotten her unemployment insurance except she failed to demonstrate that the 70 mile round trip commute was unduly burdensome. According to the judge, she never even tried to make a showing: She never made the commute even once, never looked into carpooling or public transportation, never asked for flextime (though it was, apparently offered). She did NOTHING except quit and then whine it was "just too far." Or, excuse me, would have put too much "wear and tear" on her car.

For a shiatty 11 dollar an hour job you're going to take the side of the judge?


I'm going to take the side that all she needed to have done was bring in some receipts that showed how much gas and oil she was going to be using, a couple affadavits from coworkers that they couldn't carpool, a copy of the Metro bus schedule showing how there was no service in her area. Boom, done. She did her due diligence, now either she gets her unemployment or else has a great case on appeal.

Why is doing the minimum effort so very hard for some people? If she wanted her unemployment, that is. If the idea here was to make a case for how mean her boss was, then why was she even applying for unemployment, instead of making a case for improper job transfer? And if she really wanted the job, why didn't she find some way to get there?

She didn't even try. So yeah, I'm taking the judge's side. What do you want him to do? Say "Yes, you're right, I'll just take your word that a crappy $11/hr job is worth not showing up?" Not in this economy.
 
2014-03-03 12:56:44 AM  

Captain Dan: Nobody is entitled to a job, much less a good job.  She should be grateful to even have a job opportunity, which millions of people don't.  Suck it up, pray for forbearance, and work hard enough to become indispensable.

/not trolling
//I've worked in worse conditions, for less money
///it eliminated any sense of middle-class entitlement I felt


Yeah, because poor and middle class entitlement is what's really destroying this country. The plutocrat's entitlement is great.
 
2014-03-03 01:11:11 AM  
When I was 17, I was dating a 20 year old who was working as a part time nursing sub for the school district.

We were still friendly when we broke up and she had just decided to quit her job for the summer so she could take community college classes and party.

She failed her classes because of the partying and was shocked when she was denied unemployment for quitting her job.

I often don't wonder what didn't happen to her.
 
2014-03-03 01:18:14 AM  

Gyrfalcon: whidbey: Gyrfalcon: Of course, everyone here is missing that she could have gotten her unemployment insurance except she failed to demonstrate that the 70 mile round trip commute was unduly burdensome. According to the judge, she never even tried to make a showing: She never made the commute even once, never looked into carpooling or public transportation, never asked for flextime (though it was, apparently offered). She did NOTHING except quit and then whine it was "just too far." Or, excuse me, would have put too much "wear and tear" on her car.

For a shiatty 11 dollar an hour job you're going to take the side of the judge?

I'm going to take the side that all she needed to have done was bring in some receipts that showed how much gas and oil she was going to be using, a couple affadavits from coworkers that they couldn't carpool, a copy of the Metro bus schedule showing how there was no service in her area. Boom, done. She did her due diligence, now either she gets her unemployment or else has a great case on appeal.

Why is doing the minimum effort so very hard for some people? If she wanted her unemployment, that is. If the idea here was to make a case for how mean her boss was, then why was she even applying for unemployment, instead of making a case for improper job transfer? And if she really wanted the job, why didn't she find some way to get there?

She didn't even try. So yeah, I'm taking the judge's side. What do you want him to do? Say "Yes, you're right, I'll just take your word that a crappy $11/hr job is worth not showing up?" Not in this economy.


Well, whatever. It just shocks me occasionally to see someone who is usually sympathetic side with the more conservative position. You really don't have to, you know.
 
2014-03-03 01:23:03 AM  
Wow, thread if full of, "That sucks but I've put up with worse so fark her" comments. If you've put up with worse, you're an idiot. Chances are I'm paying for some form of government aid for you because you're accepting a shiat job. We, (by that I mean me, and other people who make slightly, but not significantly  more than you) pay billions in taxes for public aid because the companies you work for, which make huge profits, don't pay a livable wage to you.

Corporate welfare raises everyone's cost of living except for the poor who get public aide. I pay a bigger percentage of my earnings in taxes than Mitt Romney does. The fact that rural poor people tend to vote republican and further fark both themselves and me pisses me off to no end. Wake up you farking idiots, we can't have nicer things because you keep voting against us having nicer things.
 
2014-03-03 02:23:31 AM  

squirrelflavoredyogurt: If you've put up with worse, you're an idiot. Chances are I'm paying for some form of government aid for you because you're accepting a shiat job


This. I swear labor rights have gone into a total coma these days.
 
2014-03-03 02:51:36 AM  

Cyclometh: So, let's consider this in other terms.

At $11.48 an hour, that is about $98 a day gross. Say you knock 20% off for taxes, Social Security, all that stuff. That leaves about $74

If she drives a car that gets the US average of 20 miles per gallon, that's about 3.5 gallons a day for a 70-mile round trip commute. So at the average price of gas in Pottstown, PA, that's $12.50 a day in gasoline.

So a 35-mile commute takes her take-home pay from $74 to $61.

In conclusion, her commute costs would amount to about 20% of her pay.


Anyone who owns a car that gets 20 mpg except in the worst possible commuting traffic is an idiot who deserves what they get. There are plenty of reasonable options that will get you closer to or over 30. Nobody needs a huge, gas-sucking vehicle so just please stop it.
 
2014-03-03 03:14:12 AM  

squirrelflavoredyogurt: Wow, thread if full of, "That sucks but I've put up with worse so fark her" comments. If you've put up with worse, you're an idiot. Chances are I'm paying for some form of government aid for you because you're accepting a shiat job. We, (by that I mean me, and other people who make slightly, but not significantly  more than you) pay billions in taxes for public aid because the companies you work for, which make huge profits, don't pay a livable wage to you.

Corporate welfare raises everyone's cost of living except for the poor who get public aide. I pay a bigger percentage of my earnings in taxes than Mitt Romney does. The fact that rural poor people tend to vote republican and further fark both themselves and me pisses me off to no end. Wake up you farking idiots, we can't have nicer things because you keep voting against us having nicer things.


It's really very sad, but what exactly did you want? The judge told her what she needed to do to get her unemployment: Show that a 35-mile commute was unconscionable. Show that it was too much of a hardship for her to keep her job. NOT "yes it sucks so give me my money."

Court--and this is a court, just a court of equity, not law--doesn't take "It's too haaaarrd" as proof. It takes, well, proof. And proof is not hard to obtain. Here are the gas receipts. Here is the bus schedule. Here are affadavits from my coworkers showing that they cannot carpool with me. If it's too impossible to commute, then yes, you can quit and still get unemployment insurance, you just have to show that it's too impossible to commute (or, you know, that there is some other difficulty that makes it impossible for you to work there). But  you have to SHOW it.

Now the people here saying "Suck it up or get a better job", well, that's not really an answer either. But some people have shown exactly what she needed to do to prove her case: Here is my gas mileage, here is the cost of gas, here is the ratio of my gas expense to my take-home pay. Here is the bus schedule that shows I'd have a five-hour additional commute to use public transport. Here are letters from my presumed colleagues who cannot carpool. See how that works in court?

Insofar as her boss transferring her, well, I can't speak to that. But the judge can't and won't just say "Yes, it's clearly unfair that you have to commute 35 miles to and from work," without some kind of evidence that it is unfair. People seem to dislike that, but that's how courts work. Whining that something is "unfair" or "too hard" is for middle-schoolers. And not even them.
 
2014-03-03 03:24:40 AM  
Let's all argue over which working fool is entitled to the barest scraps of currency between shiatty jobs while the billionaires kick back and watch the money roll in.
 
2014-03-03 03:42:02 AM  

UseLessHuman: Let's all argue over which working fool is entitled to the barest scraps of currency between shiatty jobs while the billionaires kick back and watch the money roll in.


I hear ya. I'm having a 4th yacht delivered. I always have a Sucks to Be You Party to christen the maiden voyage.
 
2014-03-03 05:00:26 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: TsarTom: Bill Bryson once postulated it would take 14 hours for a stone-age adult (14-30 y/o) male to hunt up enough meat to feed his whole family... for A WEEK.
Taken together with the other young hunters, and divvied up amongst the community, 1 solid kill would garner enough leftovers to feed the widows/orphans/elderly/infirm.
The rest of the time (after building your hut or igloo or tree-fort) would be spent farking under the moonlight...

I'm not an idiot. I don't advocate "going off the grid"

All I'm saying is this:

Somewhere, Someone you've never met is gobbling up your extra 26 hours of labor per week. And though you work hard for a living, HE never really has had to.
YOUR piss smells of cheap vodka and 'chiken-flavored' ramen noodles, while HIS soft, fleshy hands smell of almas caviar, fine champagne, and perfumed toilet paper.

We're all a bunch of suckers.

Long story short, you are a farking dipshiat


Hey? What's this? Who the farking fark are you? Did I ask you anything, asshole?

fark you, you farking clown.

farkin' assholes...
 
2014-03-03 05:25:10 AM  

whidbey: Kensey: whidbey: toadist: This woman should be embarrassed for even applying for unemployment.

Get it together and find another job,  don't go on the public dole.

So let's just give employers even more power than they have right now, k?

It's always the worker's fault.


Not always, but sometimes, and this looks to me like one of those times.

As for me, I used to do about what she's complaining about for what was, adjusted for inflation, about the same money.  It was an entry-level position and I grew out of it eventually, moved back into town and got a better job.

I'm not seeing how forcing someone to use resources to drive or waste time on the bus for a shiatty job is worth it. Sorry. The car is worth more.


A 45-minute commute is well within the range that most Americans who live in that kind of area (semi-rural shading toward urban) have.  She'd have been in a much better situation if she'd tried their offered accommodations and documented why they weren't sufficient, which is the main thrust of the court's argument -- she literally did not even try the new arrangement.  But even then, if she's the horse-farm broker some have stated, it's unlikely she'd actually get unemployment because after deducting her other income from her benefits, the balance left would be zero most weeks unless she's a truly shiatty agent.  UI is not about protecting income streams, it's about keeping you off the street.
 
2014-03-03 07:14:57 AM  
Deal with it lady. I have gone through commutes around that much for less in my lifetime. Thankfully with public tranist around Harrisburg I reduced my trip from 32 miles one way to 15-16 miles one way. She could just move closer to her work, but I guess that is too inconvenient for her.
 
2014-03-03 07:29:38 AM  

Kensey: A 45-minute commute is well within the range that most Americans who live in that kind of area (semi-rural shading toward urban) have.  She'd have been in a much better situation if she'd tried their offered accommodations and documented why they weren't sufficient, which is the main thrust of the court's argument -- she literally did not even try the new arrangement.


She shouldn't have had to. She worked her job 5 years and deserved better.

Another vote for the corporate merry go round whipping machine.

Bring it on. Have you people no shame? Keep fellating the money god, and blaming the victims.
 
2014-03-03 07:31:49 AM  

kdawg7736: She could just move closer to her work, but I guess that is too inconvenient for her.


Yeah it's pretty inconvenient to ask the company to move the place she got transferred to closer to where she lives.

Did you even read tfa?
 
2014-03-03 07:52:52 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: umad: I am sure you are correct that the traffic in podunk Pennsylvania is identical to downtown San Francisco. That is why it literally takes years to drive from coast to coast in this country.

Right, the average speed on the roads in podunk PA is 60 mph.


And that's just the 45 mph roads. The 60-65 mph roads, the average speeds are ~90!
 
2014-03-03 08:17:21 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: tripleseven: A boss actually said to me "I will not lay you off, I will make you quit. There's no way I am paying unemployment for you"  And yes, he then proceeded to try everything to make me quit.  And I eventually did.  Although, three days later he called me and begged me to consult for him.

Yes, the American system is broken.

One of those times you just wish you had a tape recorder handy.


A friend's former boss used to brag that he'd never paid out on an unemployment claim.

/why, yes, I heard he was quite an asshole and really hard to work with
 
2014-03-03 08:19:38 AM  
Is $11.50/hour normal in the U.S for a teacher's pay? Around here they start at around the $45k/year mark and I can't see paying to go to university if I'm going to be making the same amount of money as the guy that dropped out in the 11th grade to work at Burger King.
 
2014-03-03 08:21:23 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: In before the idiots flood this thread to suggest that she should have moved closer to work.


Yeah. What an absurd notion. Live closer to where you can find work.
 
2014-03-03 08:25:14 AM  

squirrelflavoredyogurt: Wow, thread if full of, "That sucks but I've put up with worse so fark her" comments. If you've put up with worse, you're an idiot. Chances are I'm paying for some form of government aid for you because you're accepting a shiat job. We, (by that I mean me, and other people who make slightly, but not significantly  more than you) pay billions in taxes for public aid because the companies you work for, which make huge profits, don't pay a livable wage to you.

Corporate welfare raises everyone's cost of living except for the poor who get public aide. I pay a bigger percentage of my earnings in taxes than Mitt Romney does. The fact that rural poor people tend to vote republican and further fark both themselves and me pisses me off to no end. Wake up you farking idiots, we can't have nicer things because you keep voting against us having nicer things.


This.

Metro Atlanta is like that; everyone has to have a goddamned car because suburban white people continually vote down public transportation initiatives. MARTA (the locals know the racist variation of the acronym) has had this stigma attached to it as only being for poor and/or minorities in the inner-city.

We have some of longest commuting distances because everything is so spread out.

Like someone else up-thread, I was offered a job in Alpharetta (and I live in Kennesaw) that would simply being a losing proposition after all the gas costs and wear on an already high-mileage car.
 
2014-03-03 08:25:41 AM  
There couldn't be a worse commute in this area for her.  That 35 mile drive on 422 to 76 here in Philadelphia is a sonofabiatch.
 
2014-03-03 08:27:41 AM  
BTW... If she were to take public transportation as suggested, the commute would be at least 2 1/2 hours each way.
 
2014-03-03 08:29:15 AM  

BunkyBrewman: There couldn't be a worse commute in this area for her.  That 35 mile drive on 422 to 76 here in Philadelphia is a sonofabiatch.


I hear stories of 2 hour commutes have to wonder what kind of work is worth 4 hours of your day.

1 hour is my cut-off point which translates to about 25 - 30 miles here in Atlanta.
 
2014-03-03 08:38:48 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Silentbob768768: 68 Miles each way in an old jeep with +200K miles. my worlds tiniest fiddle...let me play ut for you

How long does your commute take each way? I'd love to calculate how much of the only life you're ever going to have that you're spending sitting in traffic.


I just recently moved closer after driving 70 miles one way to work for the last 8 years. My average daily driving time total came to about 3hrs, little less in summer, little more in winter. For some reason I would relate it to the amount of time one would need to watch Schindler's List. Every day. For five days a week. For eight years...
/3hrsX5daysX52weeksX8years=6240hrs spent driving
//technically the movie is 195 min (3hrs 15 min)
///"watched" it 1,920 times?
//math is hard...
 
2014-03-03 08:49:14 AM  

whidbey: squirrelflavoredyogurt: If you've put up with worse, you're an idiot. Chances are I'm paying for some form of government aid for you because you're accepting a shiat job


You don't know what in the hell you are talking about.  I put up with a bit worse of a commute; 46 miles, but am not taking any government aid.  My salary is almost 5x the woman in the story.  That said, if I had to commute 46 miles to work for only $11 and change per hour I would.  I am not a slug. I would rather work and contribute to the world than sit at home vegetating and collecting pity money that I didn't earn.
 
2014-03-03 08:52:30 AM  

Jument: Anyone who owns a car that gets 20 mpg except in the worst possible commuting traffic is an idiot who deserves what they get. There are plenty of reasonable options that will get you closer to or over 30. Nobody needs a huge, gas-sucking vehicle so just please stop it.


The average fuel economy for new cars in 2013 is 24.9 MPG. It's not unreasonable to assume that someone has a slightly older or larger car, and may not have the option to buy a brand new one for a commute to a job that's pays $11.48 per hour. The cheapest new car I could find that gets 30+ MPG is over $26,000 MSRP for the most basic model.

But let's pretend you're right and she can just drop 30 large on a car that gets 30 MPG. That's about 2.3 gallons per commute. Since any newer high-mileage car uses premium/92 octane gas, and the average price in Pottstown, PA is $3.85 per gallon, that's $8.85 a day in gas, which amounts to 12 percent of her daily take-home pay. Factor in maintenance and insurance, and you're at around 15%.

So good for you. You can drop thirty grand on a new car and reduce the pay cut from 20% to 15%. Boy, you sure told me.
 
2014-03-03 09:13:06 AM  
So where are the Union Thugs who make it impossible to fire a teacher?
 
2014-03-03 09:21:29 AM  

MemeSlave: You can collect if you leave your job, you just have to wait a little longer before you start.


Depends on the state.  I worked a job for 13 years, quit to go to another job, got laid off and the company that I worked for for 13 years (which was the one I would be collecting from) fought my unemployment.  I had to prove that I made 10 x the weekly amount (3200) since I left work.  I found another job before I ever even got to contest it.  That was 15 years ago, it's probably worse now.
 
2014-03-03 09:28:07 AM  
I once tried to give my 2-week's notice to my minimum wage employer, as I was leaving for a more-than-minimum wage job.  She got so mad at me for this, that she fired me on the spot, and told me to leave right away.

Little did she know, in Canada, employers ALSO have to give 2-weeks notice when firing employees for non-work-performance related issues.  And if they don't, they have to give 2 weeks pay.  I got 2 weeks free pay because of that stupid spiteful biatch.

Although I did have to file a claim to the government... and then have them call and harass my employer until they finally mailed me the cheque.
 
2014-03-03 09:30:59 AM  
Cyclometh:Since any newer high-mileage car uses premium/92 octane gas

Since when?  I've never seen anyone that wasn't stupid or didn't own a ferarri that used premium gasoline, and I haven't heard an engine knock in 20 years.
 
2014-03-03 09:36:38 AM  

moeburn: Cyclometh:Since any newer high-mileage car uses premium/92 octane gas

Since when?  I've never seen anyone that wasn't stupid or didn't own a ferarri that used premium gasoline, and I haven't heard an engine knock in 20 years.


I haven't seen a car designed for high mileage that used regular gas made in the last few years. They probably exist but modern engine technology relies on ever finer timing and tolerances.

But even with the piece of regular my original point stands. It's a huge pay cut no matter how you slice it.
 
2014-03-03 10:03:10 AM  

Dwindle: You have to be kidding me. No one in PA drives less that 35 miles to work, and they do it for way less money and far fewer days than this person. She wants to be paid $45k a year for a part time job and not drive for it? Hire a limo.


I guess this might be a troll attempt but I'm not sure, because it's clunky if so.

In the off chance it is not, how do you get $45k/year from her wages? Even if it was $15 an hour for simple math.
 
2014-03-03 10:04:38 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I recently got a job with a base salary that comes out to $12/hr, though I was supposed to be able to make an additional $1-2k per month extra if certain sales goals were hit. A month after I started they "adjusted" (aka increased) the sales goals which basically made it all but impossible to hit their numbers. Yeah, I'm actively trying to fired so they can pay my unemployment while I find a new job.


Top tip: You are actually able to look for your next job while working.

Do it on the clock if you hate your job so much.
 
2014-03-03 10:45:32 AM  

moeburn: Since when?  I've never seen anyone that wasn't stupid or didn't own a ferarri that used premium gasoline, and I haven't heard an engine knock in 20 years.


Turbocharged cars use premium. They have to in order to avoid pre-detonation from the higher compression ratios. Seeing how newer cars are going toward smaller displacement turbo engines to replace low powered, less fuel efficient, higher displacement engines the need for premium is going to rise. Cars using engines like the 1.3Ts coming out are going to becomes more and more common and popular. Hell, the new Mustang is going to have a turbo 4 as the mid range engine option. Last I read, anyway.

And as far as fuel efficiency goes, if you're not making much money then you wont have a lot to spend on cars. If you only have $2-3k to spend on a car you're not going to have much to choose from if you want to avoid a money pit. Especially if you live where road salt is common place. Go ahead and look at your local Craigslist for that price range, assuming that you know what to look for in a used car, that is. You're going to see most cars that a low income person can afford that are worth buying to get in the high teens to low 20s for fuel efficiency.

Late 90s Japanese small-mid sized are going to be in the 20s. If you want something that's plentiful, cheap and reliable (say if you need a car asap) then Ford's Panther platform is a good bet. Those get about 17 mpg. But that 4.6 modular is a rock solid engine. As for late 90s cars, one should avoid automatic Hondas. The transmissions are starting to fail now in higher than average numbers. That eliminates lots and lots of otherwise reliable cars that are out there in that price range.

As a light hearted aside, my best commute for a job was right about 5 miles. The morning traffic took me about 12-14 minutes on average. This was wonderful, except for one thing. My motorcycle didn't like it. The transmission oil never got up to operating temp just going between the house and job. Subsequently I got a lot of moisture (condensation) in the primary. The oil was a milky white when I went to change it. Other than that it was a great drive/ride. The road to get there was a 2 lane back road (it was a refinery) so there wasn't any public transportation to and from and taking to take a bicycle would have been dangerous. I miss that commute but definitely not the job. I hated that place.
 
2014-03-03 11:17:39 AM  

Ima4nic8or: whidbey: squirrelflavoredyogurt: If you've put up with worse, you're an idiot. Chances are I'm paying for some form of government aid for you because you're accepting a shiat job

You don't know what in the hell you are talking about.  I put up with a bit worse of a commute; 46 miles, but am not taking any government aid.  My salary is almost 5x the woman in the story.  That said, if I had to commute 46 miles to work for only $11 and change per hour I would.  I am not a slug. I would rather work and contribute to the world than sit at home vegetating and collecting pity money that I didn't earn.


You are pretty self righteous though aren't you?

A.) I'm betting you chose the commute and that your employer didn't just one day say, hey we moved your job 46 miles away.

B.) Employees and Employers  pay for unemployment insurance, suggesting that it's a hand out from the government shows me that you are either completely clueless about how it works or willfully ignorant and out to blame others for simply collecting on the insurance they paid into.

C.) I'm not sure what a "slug" is exactly, but if you've ever taken a payout from an auto or home insurance policy, they you are exactly as much of a "slug" as you're suggesting this woman is.

D.) Nothing in the article suggests that this woman wants to sit at home collecting a check for doing nothing, she wants to collect unemployment while she looks for another job. Suggesting that anyone who wants to collect on an insurance policy they paid into somehow makes them a lesser person than you shows me that you are a farking idiot who doesn't deserve any more of my time.
 
2014-03-03 11:31:18 AM  

Gyrfalcon: squirrelflavoredyogurt: Wow, thread if full of, "That sucks but I've put up with worse so fark her" comments. If you've put up with worse, you're an idiot. Chances are I'm paying for some form of government aid for you because you're accepting a shiat job. We, (by that I mean me, and other people who make slightly, but not significantly  more than you) pay billions in taxes for public aid because the companies you work for, which make huge profits, don't pay a livable wage to you.

Corporate welfare raises everyone's cost of living except for the poor who get public aide. I pay a bigger percentage of my earnings in taxes than Mitt Romney does. The fact that rural poor people tend to vote republican and further fark both themselves and me pisses me off to no end. Wake up you farking idiots, we can't have nicer things because you keep voting against us having nicer things.

It's really very sad, but what exactly did you want? The judge told her what she needed to do to get her unemployment: Show that a 35-mile commute was unconscionable. Show that it was too much of a hardship for her to keep her job. NOT "yes it sucks so give me my money."

Court--and this is a court, just a court of equity, not law--doesn't take "It's too haaaarrd" as proof. It takes, well, proof. And proof is not hard to obtain. Here are the gas receipts. Here is the bus schedule. Here are affadavits from my coworkers showing that they cannot carpool with me. If it's too impossible to commute, then yes, you can quit and still get unemployment insurance, you just have to show that it's too impossible to commute (or, you know, that there is some other difficulty that makes it impossible for you to work there). But  you have to SHOW it.

Now the people here saying "Suck it up or get a better job", well, that's not really an answer either. But some people have shown exactly what she needed to do to prove her case: Here is my gas mileage, here is the cost of gas, here is the ratio of my gas expense to m ...


That's all well and good from a monetary sense, but what about her quality of living sense? A 35 mile commute in rush hour traffic may add an hour or more each way to commute. What if she doesn't want to miss 2 more hours a day away from her family?

Unemployment insurance is just that, insurance. Employers and employees both pay into it and it should be available for exactly this type of scenario. The woman did nothing wrong, she wasn't fired, they simply decided to move her job 35 miles away. She should be able to receive payouts from the insurance policy she paid into for a reasonable amount of time to alleviate any hardship while she looks for another job.

For the judge to simply suggest that because she didn't even try it for a day somehow proves it's insurmountable is idiocy. Imagine getting into a car accident and having a judge rule that you can't collect on insurance because you can afford to pay to fix your car yourself, or that you should try taking the bus, or carpooling with coworkers.
 
2014-03-03 12:02:19 PM  

Jument: Anyone who owns a car that gets 20 mpg except in the worst possible commuting traffic is an idiot who deserves what they get. There are plenty of reasonable options that will get you closer to or over 30. Nobody needs a huge, gas-sucking vehicle so just please stop it.


You tell 'em! What are these construction workers thinking driving around those gas guzzling pick-up trucks and cargo vans, hauling lumber and tools back and forth to work, they can easily fit those loads in a more environmentally friendly car.

www.swapmeetdave.com

Or those large families driving around in their SUV's and mini-vans when smaller cars have perfectly good trunk space for the kids to ride in.

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By God if you can get by driving a small compact car then everyone else can too!
 
2014-03-03 01:28:07 PM  

whidbey: cwolf20


ReapTheChaos: Jument: Anyone who owns a car that gets 20 mpg except in the worst possible commuting traffic is an idiot who deserves what they get. There are plenty of reasonable options that will get you closer to or over 30. Nobody needs a huge, gas-sucking vehicle so just please stop it.

You tell 'em! What are these construction workers thinking driving around those gas guzzling pick-up trucks and cargo vans, hauling lumber and tools back and forth to work, they can easily fit those loads in a more environmentally friendly car.

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Or those large families driving around in their SUV's and mini-vans when smaller cars have perfectly good trunk space for the kids to ride in.

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By God if you can get by driving a small compact car then everyone else can too!


Oh goodness. This means I should have spent twice as much for a smart car which gets the same gas mileage as my Toyota corolla and holds a lot less space.  What was I thinking.

My gosh I could have experienced the joys of blocking 1/3 of my rearview vision with bags I'm taking somewhere (seen at a grocery store last week)
 
2014-03-03 01:45:41 PM  

squirrelflavoredyogurt: Ima4nic8or: whidbey: squirrelflavoredyogurt: If you've put up with worse, you're an idiot. Chances are I'm paying for some form of government aid for you because you're accepting a shiat job

You don't know what in the hell you are talking about.  I put up with a bit worse of a commute; 46 miles, but am not taking any government aid.  My salary is almost 5x the woman in the story.  That said, if I had to commute 46 miles to work for only $11 and change per hour I would.  I am not a slug. I would rather work and contribute to the world than sit at home vegetating and collecting pity money that I didn't earn.

You are pretty self righteous though aren't you?

A.) I'm betting you chose the commute and that your employer didn't just one day say, hey we moved your job 46 miles away.

B.) Employees and Employers  pay for unemployment insurance, suggesting that it's a hand out from the government shows me that you are either completely clueless about how it works or willfully ignorant and out to blame others for simply collecting on the insurance they paid into.

C.) I'm not sure what a "slug" is exactly, but if you've ever taken a payout from an auto or home insurance policy, they you are exactly as much of a "slug" as you're suggesting this woman is.

D.) Nothing in the article suggests that this woman wants to sit at home collecting a check for doing nothing, she wants to collect unemployment while she looks for another job. Suggesting that anyone who wants to collect on an insurance policy they paid into somehow makes them a lesser person than you shows me that you are a farking idiot who doesn't deserve any more of my time.


I'm going to post this one more time.... employees do not directly pay into UI via payroll deduction.
 
2014-03-03 02:01:02 PM  
ferretman:

Well when you have a President that has only expanded minimum wage jobs (~750K) what do you expect.

 That a democratic free-market capitalist society doesn't put the onus of jobs on a single person?
 
2014-03-03 02:17:31 PM  

StopLurkListen: Workers NEVER get a refund.


Stoker: I never saw any refund for employees who were denied unemployment.


Employees do not pay into unemployment, which is probably why you never see refunds.
 
2014-03-03 03:19:54 PM  

ChaosStar: StopLurkListen: Workers NEVER get a refund.

Stoker: I never saw any refund for employees who were denied unemployment.

Employees do not pay into unemployment, which is probably why you never see refunds.


Wrong! Employees and employers both pay into unemployment, you'll see yours deducted from your W-2 (I see mine right there to report for my New Jersey tax returns) and your paychecks.
 
2014-03-03 03:40:02 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: ChaosStar: StopLurkListen: Workers NEVER get a refund.

Stoker: I never saw any refund for employees who were denied unemployment.

Employees do not pay into unemployment, which is probably why you never see refunds.

Wrong! Employees and employers both pay into unemployment, you'll see yours deducted from your W-2 (I see mine right there to report for my New Jersey tax returns) and your paychecks.


Maybe in some states, but by no means all.  And that would be a a state fee, not federally-funded UI.
 
2014-03-03 03:45:20 PM  

Kensey: DarkSoulNoHope: ChaosStar: StopLurkListen: Workers NEVER get a refund.

Stoker: I never saw any refund for employees who were denied unemployment.

Employees do not pay into unemployment, which is probably why you never see refunds.

Wrong! Employees and employers both pay into unemployment, you'll see yours deducted from your W-2 (I see mine right there to report for my New Jersey tax returns) and your paychecks.

Maybe in some states, but by no means all.  And that would be a a state fee, not federally-funded UI.


Still paid by our taxes, doesn't mean the money from unemployment magically appears.
 
2014-03-03 04:14:12 PM  

whidbey: Kensey: A 45-minute commute is well within the range that most Americans who live in that kind of area (semi-rural shading toward urban) have.  She'd have been in a much better situation if she'd tried their offered accommodations and documented why they weren't sufficient, which is the main thrust of the court's argument -- she literally did not even try the new arrangement.

She shouldn't have had to. She worked her job 5 years and deserved better.


Why?  This is not something where the court's decision was arbitrary.  The parameters are well spelled-out by previous rulings -- 60 miles each way, let alone 35, is not a "compelling" reason to quit a job under PA law, nor can an applicant claiming a transportation difficulty prevail without at least attempting to overcome it.

Seriously, go check out the actual ruling.  The precedents on which it rests go back 30-odd years and deal specifically with commuting distances and difficulties.

In general, the default case is if you quit your job, you aren't getting unemployment.  If you're going to claim something like constructive dismissal or an untenably difficult commute, you better be damn sure there's a case there.  It may be worth noting that as a pro se litigant, she would have been well-advised to at least search Google Scholar; she would have found a wealth of case law telling her in pretty definite terms that she would lose.
 
2014-03-03 04:20:15 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: ChaosStar: StopLurkListen: Workers NEVER get a refund.

Stoker: I never saw any refund for employees who were denied unemployment.

Employees do not pay into unemployment, which is probably why you never see refunds.

Wrong! Employees and employers both pay into unemployment, you'll see yours deducted from your W-2 (I see mine right there to report for my New Jersey tax returns) and your paychecks.


OK, in 3 states. Alaska, New Jersey and Pennsylvania, an employee is also required to pay state unemployment tax.
 
2014-03-03 04:41:44 PM  

Kensey: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Jim_Callahan: A transfer with a half-hour commute definitely falls under a reasonable attempt at accommodation by the employer as an alternative to just canning her.  I'd say it's plenty to void unemployment insurance, at least the UI the employer's funding.

In what universe is 35 miles a 30 minute commute? San Francisco is 7 miles across but it takes 45 minutes to get from the Sunset to the Embarcadero at 7:00 am.

Yeah, but this is rural-ish PA, not urban SF.  She probably would spend most of that commute at highway speed on US-422.

TsarTom: Bill Bryson once postulated it would take 14 hours for a stone-age adult (14-30 y/o) male to hunt up enough meat to feed his whole family... for A WEEK.
Taken together with the other young hunters, and divvied up amongst the community, 1 solid kill would garner enough leftovers to feed the widows/orphans/elderly/infirm.
The rest of the time (after building your hut or igloo or tree-fort) would be spent farking under the moonlight...

14 hours per week per person, yeah, that's about right for the Stone Age.  And if we all quit working more than 14 hours a week, that's what we'd go back to in a generation or two.  It takes work to keep civilization running.   You need a certain minimum population just to do enough work to maintain civilization, and as civilization gets more complex and interconnected that minimum population rises.


I would love to see where you get your sources for that assertion. Because the way things are going, we need less population to support more. Just look at how the population of farmers has shrunk over the years. Manufacturing. We're getting really good at making machines that do the work of lots of people, so we need fewer (but talented) people to keep everything running.
 
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