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2014-03-02 09:08:33 PM  

TsarTom: Bonzo_1116: TsarTom:

Mrs. Thrag in this scenario spent up to thirty hours a week digging and prepping roots for supper for the days when Mr. Thrag was unlucky.

It's still loads less work than now.

you've got a better job then me.


You dig roots for a living?
 
2014-03-02 09:12:04 PM  

StanTheMan: BluVeinThrobber: Wake up America, your goveernment and big business has sold all of your jobs down the river to the lowest bidder

Always nice to see a liberal/populist who is for curbing immigration and is anti-amnesty.


Just stating the facts
 
2014-03-02 09:14:54 PM  
They made the right call. If 35 miles is too much then she just doesn't want to work.  I do 46 miles each way, admittedly for more money though.   Its not trivial but I would do more if that is what it takes to be a working, contributing member of society.  She sounds like a diva type that thinks the work should come to where she is.  Sorry but it doesn't work that way.
 
2014-03-02 09:14:59 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Jim_Callahan: A transfer with a half-hour commute definitely falls under a reasonable attempt at accommodation by the employer as an alternative to just canning her.  I'd say it's plenty to void unemployment insurance, at least the UI the employer's funding.

In what universe is 35 miles a 30 minute commute? San Francisco is 7 miles across but it takes 45 minutes to get from the Sunset to the Embarcadero at 7:00 am.


Yeah, but this is rural-ish PA, not urban SF.  She probably would spend most of that commute at highway speed on US-422.

TsarTom: Bill Bryson once postulated it would take 14 hours for a stone-age adult (14-30 y/o) male to hunt up enough meat to feed his whole family... for A WEEK.
Taken together with the other young hunters, and divvied up amongst the community, 1 solid kill would garner enough leftovers to feed the widows/orphans/elderly/infirm.
The rest of the time (after building your hut or igloo or tree-fort) would be spent farking under the moonlight...


14 hours per week per person, yeah, that's about right for the Stone Age.  And if we all quit working more than 14 hours a week, that's what we'd go back to in a generation or two.  It takes work to keep civilization running.  You need a certain minimum population just to do enough work to maintain civilization, and as civilization gets more complex and interconnected that minimum population rises.

whidbey: toadist: This woman should be embarrassed for even applying for unemployment.

Get it together and find another job,  don't go on the public dole.

So let's just give employers even more power than they have right now, k?

It's always the worker's fault.


Not always, but sometimes, and this looks to me like one of those times.

As for me, I used to do about what she's complaining about for what was, adjusted for inflation, about the same money.  It was an entry-level position and I grew out of it eventually, moved back into town and got a better job.
 
2014-03-02 09:16:28 PM  

ReapTheChaos: 35 mile drive for 11 bucks an hour? Nope, I wouldn't do it either.


HOW DARE YOU.
 
2014-03-02 09:17:21 PM  

Captain Dan: powhound: Some of you are assuming that working hard and sucking up the commute will somehow translate into her getting ahead.

She is a teacher's aide. She will never get a promotion, or a large pay raise, unless she went and completed whatever credentials needed to obtain a teaching certificate. If she wanted retirement she would have to work another 15 years minimum anticipating maybe 15 or 20 cent hourly raises each year.

That's not the only way to get ahead.  Having a job (instead of a blank space) on her resume will make it 1000x easier for her to find another job, either a better one or one closer to home.


1000x? Citation please.
 
2014-03-02 09:18:39 PM  

Kensey: whidbey: toadist: This woman should be embarrassed for even applying for unemployment.

Get it together and find another job,  don't go on the public dole.

So let's just give employers even more power than they have right now, k?

It's always the worker's fault.


Not always, but sometimes, and this looks to me like one of those times.

As for me, I used to do about what she's complaining about for what was, adjusted for inflation, about the same money.  It was an entry-level position and I grew out of it eventually, moved back into town and got a better job.


I'm not seeing how forcing someone to use resources to drive or waste time on the bus for a shiatty job is worth it. Sorry. The car is worth more.
 
2014-03-02 09:19:59 PM  

Your Hind Brain: That's not the only way to get ahead.  Having a job (instead of a blank space) on her resume will make it 1000x easier for her to find another job, either a better one or one closer to home.


1000x? Citation please.


He's got a GED in Bootstrappiness. Trumps most Googling.
 
2014-03-02 09:20:46 PM  
$11.48 an hour seems like awfully low pay for a teacher.
 
2014-03-02 09:22:41 PM  

whatshisname: $11.48 an hour seems like awfully low pay for a teacher.


Well it's a noble profession. If they need extra money they can spend summer break up in Alaska doing cannery work.
 
2014-03-02 09:25:37 PM  
35 miles 1 way commute...
but I make a hell of a lot more than $12/hr.

were I a minimum wage slave, I'd probaly quit too... but that's the crux of the matter... when you quit, you don't get unemployment.
 
2014-03-02 09:27:18 PM  
Remember when you decided to move to the sticks so you can "afford more house?"

Seems like the chickens are coming home to roost
 
2014-03-02 09:29:58 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: 35 miles 1 way commute...
but I make a hell of a lot more than $12/hr.

were I a minimum wage slave, I'd probaly quit too... but that's the crux of the matter... when you quit, you don't get unemployment.


It's pretty sad when the unemployment actually makes ends meet better than a paying gig.
 
2014-03-02 09:31:03 PM  

whidbey: Your Hind Brain: That's not the only way to get ahead.  Having a job (instead of a blank space) on her resume will make it 1000x easier for her to find another job, either a better one or one closer to home.


1000x? Citation please.

He's got a GED in Bootstrappiness. Trumps most Googling.


Ah. Okay. Solution: Fill in blank space with "Independent Bible Studies". Don't forget to ask them "Were you there?" when they question you about proof of your studies.
 
2014-03-02 09:33:42 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I recently got a job with a base salary that comes out to $12/hr, though I was supposed to be able to make an additional $1-2k per month extra if certain sales goals were hit. A month after I started they "adjusted" (aka increased) the sales goals which basically made it all but impossible to hit their numbers. Yeah, I'm actively trying to fired so they can pay my unemployment while I find a new job.


I believe I'd sit on my ass at home until they missed me. What steps are you taking?
 
2014-03-02 09:36:47 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Unemployment insurance is for people that  lose their job


You may be the best kind of correct on this, but if your only option to keep a job is to add 2-3 hours of daily commute time AND a 20% pay cut, I'd argue that in any way that actually matters, you HAVE lost your job and have been given a new, shiattier job.
 
2014-03-02 09:38:37 PM  

theflatline: She is also a realtor for horse farms, so her commissions on that must make her bank, she must work at the schools for the benefits.


With ObamaCare she doesn't have to worry
 
2014-03-02 09:39:20 PM  

Cyclometh: Jim_Callahan: Unemployment insurance is for people that  lose their job

You may be the best kind of correct on this, but if your only option to keep a job is to add 2-3 hours of daily commute time AND a 20% pay cut, I'd argue that in any way that actually matters, you HAVE lost your job and have been given a new, shiattier job.


But you're not unemployed.
 
2014-03-02 09:40:58 PM  

NEPAman: Yes!


Luzurne County!!


/Moving back soon after 5 years. Can't wait.
 
2014-03-02 09:42:49 PM  
So, say she takes the commute until she can find another job.  When is she supposed to interview for this other job?  She can't very well step out at her lunch hour.  Anytime she takes off would be unpaid and thus make the commute even more painful.
 
2014-03-02 09:45:27 PM  

evil saltine: But you're not unemployed.


I wouldn't take a transfer in her situation either. Better to be unemployed and use other resources while looking for a job closer to home. Not everyone has that option, of course- but it sounds like she does.

I used to commute 75 miles  one way for a job. Of course, that paid well over six figures with absolutely gonzo benefits (no co-pays on anything health-related, you could self-refer to any specialist you wanted and there was no employee contribution).

I left that one in the end because it was soul-crushing to have to go that far all the time. 35 miles wouldn't have been as bad but in the end that's a lot of time you could spend with your family just sitting in traffic.

I'm not arguing that she should have been granted unemployment; I do think that if she'd argued that the new position wasn't a reasonable accommodation because it amounted to a pay cut with an increase in time commitment, she might have done better.

It's interesting that so many people are derisive of someone who says they won't get shat on, though. It's clear a lot of you know who your masters are and are happy with the boot on your neck.
 
2014-03-02 09:48:57 PM  

TsarTom: Bill Bryson once postulated it would take 14 hours for a stone-age adult (14-30 y/o) male to hunt up enough meat to feed his whole family... for A WEEK.
Taken together with the other young hunters, and divvied up amongst the community, 1 solid kill would garner enough leftovers to feed the widows/orphans/elderly/infirm.
The rest of the time (after building your hut or igloo or tree-fort) would be spent farking under the moonlight...

I'm not an idiot. I don't advocate "going off the grid"

All I'm saying is this:

Somewhere, Someone you've never met is gobbling up your extra 26 hours of labor per week. And though you work hard for a living, HE never really has had to.
YOUR piss smells of cheap vodka and 'chiken-flavored' ramen noodles, while HIS soft, fleshy hands smell of almas caviar, fine champagne, and perfumed toilet paper.

We're all a bunch of suckers.


Long story short, you are a farking dipshiat
 
2014-03-02 09:49:16 PM  

Cyclometh: It's interesting that so many people are derisive of someone who says they won't get shat on, though.


It's common on fark employment threads.  It's okay to shiat on lower paid workers when they complain because they should just work harder and do better, then they'll actually have important things to complain about.
 
2014-03-02 09:49:44 PM  

Captain Dan: Nobody is entitled to a job, much less a good job.  She should be grateful to even have a job opportunity, which millions of people don't.  Suck it up, pray for forbearance, and work hard enough to become indispensable.

/not trolling
//I've worked in worse conditions, for less money
///it eliminated any sense of middle-class entitlement I felt


I've done the crazy commute of 20-40 miles for some jobs that were just a step up from minimum wage - I was commuting 20 miles to work as a ditch hand for a small construction company. For those of you wondering what a "ditch hand" is - it's the guy in the ditch with a shovel making sure the guy in the backhoe doesn't cut something important -it's hard farking work in the cold, rain and hot....and doesn't pay shiat. (8.75/hr). She should be thrilled she made 11/hr.
 
2014-03-02 09:52:53 PM  

vabeard: 35 miles?  Lightweight.


I live 50 miles from where I work.  I can't imagine being "allowed" to get unemployment just because you're unwilling to commute any distance.
 
2014-03-02 09:55:06 PM  

Cyclometh: evil saltine: But you're not unemployed.

I wouldn't take a transfer in her situation either. Better to be unemployed and use other resources while looking for a job closer to home. Not everyone has that option, of course- but it sounds like she does.

I used to commute 75 miles  one way for a job. Of course, that paid well over six figures with absolutely gonzo benefits (no co-pays on anything health-related, you could self-refer to any specialist you wanted and there was no employee contribution).

I left that one in the end because it was soul-crushing to have to go that far all the time. 35 miles wouldn't have been as bad but in the end that's a lot of time you could spend with your family just sitting in traffic.

I'm not arguing that she should have been granted unemployment; I do think that if she'd argued that the new position wasn't a reasonable accommodation because it amounted to a pay cut with an increase in time commitment, she might have done better.

It's interesting that so many people are derisive of someone who says they won't get shat on, though. It's clear a lot of you know who your masters are and are happy with the boot on your neck.


Of course you have the option of quitting. You just won't qualify for unemployment benefits, because you quit.
 
2014-03-02 09:59:28 PM  

shizbgby_v2: Lightweight. I drive  47.6 miles one way.

I get it done in one hour with moderate speeding.  I do get paid more though.

2012 Ford Focus just past 28k miles.


How do you like the focus? I'm debating between the focus and the Chevy sonic. My 2013 S4 has 11k on the clock and I'd like to put the biggest chunk of mileage on a cheap vs 60k car.
 
2014-03-02 10:01:41 PM  
So...all you numbnuts that say "I drive further and get paid more, what a loser"... The two elements of your statement contradict each other, you smug farks.
Say she's got a reasonably efficient car that gets on average 20 miles per gallon. That means she burns two gallons EACH WAY, right,
Gasbuddy puts gas prices in PA at about $3.50 a gallon right now, so seven bucks each way. Times two, fourteen bucks in commuting costs every day.
Now, at 11.48 gross an hour, what do you think her take home is? Between gas and wear and tear, she'd be losing two hours worth of wages to commute alone.
 
2014-03-02 10:03:36 PM  

Ishidan: So...all you numbnuts that say "I drive further and get paid more, what a loser"... The two elements of your statement contradict each other, you smug farks.
Say she's got a reasonably efficient car that gets on average 20 miles per gallon. That means she burns two gallons EACH WAY, right,
Gasbuddy puts gas prices in PA at about $3.50 a gallon right now, so seven bucks each way. Times two, fourteen bucks in commuting costs every day.
Now, at 11.48 gross an hour, what do you think her take home is? Between gas and wear and tear, she'd be losing two hours worth of wages to commute alone.


I did the math on that upthread. It's actually 3.5 gallons, $3.57 a gallon and about 20% of her net pay. A good bit more when you add maintenance, insurance and so on. The insurance price for a car that is only used to go five miles to work vs one that's used to go 35 is pretty big.
 
2014-03-02 10:05:16 PM  

Bonzo_1116: TsarTom: Bill Bryson once postulated it would take 14 hours for a stone-age adult (14-30 y/o) male to hunt up enough meat to feed his whole family... for A WEEK.
Taken together with the other young hunters, and divvied up amongst the community, 1 solid kill would garner enough leftovers to feed the widows/orphans/elderly/infirm.
The rest of the time (after building your hut or igloo or tree-fort) would be spent farking under the moonlight...

I'm not an idiot. I don't advocate "going off the grid"

All I'm saying is this:

Somewhere, Someone you've never met is gobbling up your extra 26 hours of labor per week. And though you work hard for a living, HE never really has had to.
YOUR piss smells of cheap vodka and 'chiken-flavored' ramen noodles, while HIS soft, fleshy hands smell of almas caviar, fine champagne, and perfumed toilet paper.

We're all a bunch of suckers.

Mrs. Thrag in this scenario spent up to thirty hours a week digging and prepping roots for supper for the days when Mr. Thrag was unlucky.

It's still loads less work than now.

/Agriculture was the downfall of leisure.


If they had invented contraceptives before beer, we'd still be living in paradise.

//Not really. Hunting was pretty darn dangerous. Those 14 hours a week were brutal, and drying out the meat to make it last was a marathon of work. And then there was the occasional winter when things got bad and people ate their neighbors instead. Yyyumm... Moving from a meat to grain diet led to a loss of human stature, and more repetitive stress injuries, but fewer cases of cannibalism. Every now and then I wonder if an 80 year life expectancy is worth 40 years of cubicle toil, but then, it's been a while since I've had to worry about death by abscessed tooth.
 
2014-03-02 10:10:06 PM  

Cyclometh: evil saltine: But you're not unemployed.

I wouldn't take a transfer in her situation either. Better to be unemployed and use other resources while looking for a job closer to home. Not everyone has that option, of course- but it sounds like she does.

I used to commute 75 miles  one way for a job. Of course, that paid well over six figures with absolutely gonzo benefits (no co-pays on anything health-related, you could self-refer to any specialist you wanted and there was no employee contribution).

I left that one in the end because it was soul-crushing to have to go that far all the time. 35 miles wouldn't have been as bad but in the end that's a lot of time you could spend with your family just sitting in traffic.

I'm not arguing that she should have been granted unemployment; I do think that if she'd argued that the new position wasn't a reasonable accommodation because it amounted to a pay cut with an increase in time commitment, she might have done better.

It's interesting that so many people are derisive of someone who says they won't get shat on, though. It's clear a lot of you know who your masters are and are happy with the boot on your neck.


This Very much This
 
2014-03-02 10:11:45 PM  

youmightberight: shizbgby_v2: Lightweight. I drive  47.6 miles one way.

I get it done in one hour with moderate speeding.  I do get paid more though.

2012 Ford Focus just past 28k miles.

How do you like the focus? I'm debating between the focus and the Chevy sonic. My 2013 S4 has 11k on the clock and I'd like to put the biggest chunk of mileage on a cheap vs 60k car.


Pretty well. I'm a big and tall guy. I have plenty of legroom and the seats are decent for the commute. I average 30mpg a tank between city and highway driving. I could get more but South Jersey driving is fast. I got the basic model which came without cruise control and the good stereo. If you go 2013 and above its all standard, I think.
 
2014-03-02 10:12:59 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: In what universe is 35 miles a 30 minute commute? San Francisco is 7 miles across but it takes 45 minutes to get from the Sunset to the Embarcadero at 7:00 am.


I am sure you are correct that the traffic in podunk Pennsylvania is identical to downtown San Francisco. That is why it literally takes years to drive from coast to coast in this country.
 
2014-03-02 10:13:19 PM  
It depends on how long the 35 mile commute is.  I commute 28 miles into DC, but it takes about 90 minutes each way because I have to deal with lights, slow roads, then transfer to the Metro then walk 7 blocks.  The extra 3 hours per day is over and above 40 hours per week, which means I spend the equivalent of 56.25% of my work year commuting (3x5x1.5/40).  My commute is worth more than half my annual pay (not even counting damage to my car, gas, $5 metro parking per day and $12 metro fair per day).  It sucks.

A 35 mile drive could take 35 minutes.  It could also take 120 minutes.  35 minutes each way wouldn't be unreasonable, even at $11.48/hr.
Somewhere at or around 60 minutes it would start to be an issue, IMO.

I'd like to thank the article for leaving out relevant details, as usual with today's journalism.
 
2014-03-02 10:18:30 PM  
I wish my commute was only 35 miles
 
2014-03-02 10:28:42 PM  

Tillmaster: The US system is broken.


you sound barely employable
 
2014-03-02 10:31:54 PM  

gadian: So, say she takes the commute until she can find another job.  When is she supposed to interview for this other job?  She can't very well step out at her lunch hour.  Anytime she takes off would be unpaid and thus make the commute even more painful.


This made me laugh.
 
2014-03-02 10:32:22 PM  

Cyclometh: So, let's consider this in other terms.

At $11.48 an hour, that is about $98 a day gross. Say you knock 20% off for taxes, Social Security, all that stuff. That leaves about $74

If she drives a car that gets the US average of 20 miles per gallon, that's about 3.5 gallons a day for a 70-mile round trip commute. So at the average price of gas in Pottstown, PA, that's $12.50 a day in gasoline.

So a 35-mile commute takes her take-home pay from $74 to $61.

In conclusion, her commute costs would amount to about 20% of her pay.


Yep!  Welcome to America.

My wife's commute to work is 120 miles a day, but the car gets around 33 mpg, so we're blowing about $250 a month on gas so she can get to a job that pays about $1200 a month (and required a master's degree + experience).  We live with the in-laws though, and $250 a month is still cheaper than rent, so we keep on grinding those gears and spending 10-12 hours a week staring out of a windshield.

/shouldn't a truck have hit me by now, statistically?
//seriously, kill me please
 
2014-03-02 10:34:20 PM  

Captain Dan: Nobody is entitled to a job, much less a good job.  She should be grateful to even have a job opportunity, which millions of people don't.  Suck it up, pray for forbearance, and work hard enough to become indispensable.

/not trolling
//I've worked in worse conditions, for less money
///it eliminated any sense of middle-class entitlement I felt


That's not middle class though.  According to the people running this country during the last several years' campaigns, middle class is anyone making up to $200k or $250k a year (depending on who's talking)... yet the median working household income was $50k... meaning HALF of U.S. households make less than 20% of "middle class"...  at $11.48/hr, that's $23,878.40 a year, which is less than 12.5% of what people call middle class.  Oh, and to make $50k a year, you'd have to earn over $24/hr...

So what if you had a crappier job for less money than the person in the article? Neither of you was close to middle class by today's definition.  The idea that people making 6 figures a year are in the same economic class as those making $10/hr is the sort of asinine state of affairs that beg for revolution, not indifference.
 
2014-03-02 10:50:47 PM  

Emposter: It depends on how long the 35 mile commute is.  I commute 28 miles into DC, but it takes about 90 minutes each way because I have to deal with lights, slow roads, then transfer to the Metro then walk 7 blocks.  The extra 3 hours per day is over and above 40 hours per week, which means I spend the equivalent of 56.25% of my work year commuting (3x5x1.5/40).  My commute is worth more than half my annual pay (not even counting damage to my car, gas, $5 metro parking per day and $12 metro fair per day).  It sucks.

A 35 mile drive could take 35 minutes.  It could also take 120 minutes.  35 minutes each way wouldn't be unreasonable, even at $11.48/hr.
Somewhere at or around 60 minutes it would start to be an issue, IMO.

I'd like to thank the article for leaving out relevant details, as usual with today's journalism.


Well they mentioned the school (Montgomery Early Learning Center) and where she was supposed to transfer to (Narberth).  A little bit of Googling suggests, based on other schools around 35 miles away, that the drive would take around 43 minutes, which obviously doesn't account for rush hour.  It looks like a suburb of Philly, I know nothing about the area but will say that the interstate system north west of Narberth (which is where the other schools all seem to be) is a giant charlie foxtrot that probably isn't fun during rush hour.
 
2014-03-02 10:51:22 PM  
At bank where I used to work, transferring troublesome employees was favored as a way to get them to quit if they were minority, female or some other group likely to sue (even though we were a "right-to-work" state). They could have almost a 100-mile round trip commute. To my knowledge, none of them ever lasted more than three days at the new location. Most quickly took jobs at other banks where the commute was shorter.
 
2014-03-02 11:03:36 PM  
Used to drive about 50 miles to my old job after they transferred me. Granted I was earning a lot more than $12 an hour but with traffic it's a pretty brutal commute.
 
2014-03-02 11:22:10 PM  
Emposter: A 35 mile drive could take 35 minutes.  It could also take 120 minutes.  35 minutes each way wouldn't be unreasonable, even at $11.48/hr.
Somewhere at or around 60 minutes it would start to be an issue, IMO.

I'd like to thank the article for leaving out relevant details, as usual with today's journalism.



The paper's primary readership knows very well what the commute would be like from Pottstown to Narberth. Aside from the mileage, which a lot of people may not know off the top of their head, the commuting details would be largely a waste of column space.
 
2014-03-02 11:28:44 PM  

MemeSlave: You can collect if you leave your job, you just have to wait a little longer before you start.


My understanding is that if you quit for "good cause/reason," you are able to collect.  However what constitutes good cause/reason depends on state law.  You would also probably have to have a good lawyer.
 
2014-03-02 11:32:02 PM  
At one point when I first moved to New Hampshire I had a 90something mile commute (Strafford, NH to Lebanon, NH) one way.  The ex-gf had picked out the apartment while I applied for jobs, and I ended up hired at the other end of the state.  Did that commute for five months, in addition to all the chores around the house (cooking, cleaning, dishes, laundry).  Turns out that she really didn't want to move out of that apartment, and didn't care that I was driving all over hell & creation for my commute.

/suspect that chick was trying to kill me
 
2014-03-02 11:35:21 PM  
Of course, everyone here is missing that she could have gotten her unemployment insurance except she failed to demonstrate that the 70 mile round trip commute was unduly burdensome. According to the judge, she never even tried to make a showing: She never made the commute even once, never looked into carpooling or public transportation, never asked for flextime (though it was, apparently offered). She did NOTHING except quit and then whine it was "just too far." Or, excuse me, would have put too much "wear and tear" on her car.

Now what that tells me is that the judge, at least, was prepared to be sympathetic about it, but she didn't do her due diligence. You have to bring something to the table, at least show the judge you attempted to drive the 35 miles, show that it would eat up your paycheck, you had no coworkers to share the drive, etc. But she didn't. So no unemployment checks for her. And no tears from me. I've seen people take the bus two hours both directions when they REALLY WANTED a job (including myself), so obviously she didn't want or need this job.
 
2014-03-02 11:42:31 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Of course, everyone here is missing that she could have gotten her unemployment insurance except she failed to demonstrate that the 70 mile round trip commute was unduly burdensome. According to the judge, she never even tried to make a showing: She never made the commute even once, never looked into carpooling or public transportation, never asked for flextime (though it was, apparently offered). She did NOTHING except quit and then whine it was "just too far." Or, excuse me, would have put too much "wear and tear" on her car.


For a shiatty 11 dollar an hour job you're going to take the side of the judge?
 
2014-03-02 11:43:23 PM  

Semantic Warrior: Captain Dan: Nobody is entitled to a job, much less a good job.  She should be grateful to even have a job opportunity, which millions of people don't.  Suck it up, pray for forbearance, and work hard enough to become indispensable.

/not trolling
//I've worked in worse conditions, for less money
///it eliminated any sense of middle-class entitlement I felt

That's not middle class though.  According to the people running this country during the last several years' campaigns, middle class is anyone making up to $200k or $250k a year (depending on who's talking)... yet the median working household income was $50k... meaning HALF of U.S. households make less than 20% of "middle class"...  at $11.48/hr, that's $23,878.40 a year, which is less than 12.5% of what people call middle class.  Oh, and to make $50k a year, you'd have to earn over $24/hr...

So what if you had a crappier job for less money than the person in the article? Neither of you was close to middle class by today's definition.  The idea that people making 6 figures a year are in the same economic class as those making $10/hr is the sort of asinine state of affairs that beg for revolution, not indifference.


Well when you have a President that has only expanded minimum wage jobs (~750K) what do you expect.
 
2014-03-02 11:44:09 PM  

Gyrfalcon: According to the judge, she never even tried to make a showing


Don't know how applicable it is here, but my understanding (and general experience) is that these offices try really hard to discourage people from actually showing up - automatic rejection and the need to appeal -which requires time, money, and maybe someone with knowledge to help you along the way, counselors who repeatedly tell you that you'll lose, even if you have a good case - to ruin your confidence and desire, notices that are put in the mail too close to the hearing date so that you may not be able to arrange childcare, transportation, etc, can't get anyone on the phone or by email, and there are more hassles.

Of course if it is important enough, you'll find a way, in theory.
 
2014-03-02 11:44:19 PM  

umad: I am sure you are correct that the traffic in podunk Pennsylvania is identical to downtown San Francisco. That is why it literally takes years to drive from coast to coast in this country.


Right, the average speed on the roads in podunk PA is 60 mph.
 
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