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(PennLive)   "Sorry ma'am, you can't get unemployment because you quit your job because you didn't want to drive 35 miles to work. Deal with it"   (pennlive.com) divider line 211
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2014-03-02 06:46:40 PM  
Yup. You quit your job, no unemployment. You have to get laid off.
 
2014-03-02 06:46:40 PM  
The US system is broken.
 
2014-03-02 06:47:07 PM  
Turns out the Republicans were right.  We need to deregulate the streets.
 
2014-03-02 06:48:05 PM  

Tillmaster: The US system is broken.


Any system that doesn't allow for an unwillingness to work within a 50 mile radius of Philadelphia is, by nature, a broken system.
 
2014-03-02 06:49:00 PM  
A 35 mile commute for a job that pays $11.48/hr?

Brutal.
 
2014-03-02 06:50:32 PM  
Can her unemployment pay for all the cheap make up?

www.pahorseproperty.com
 
2014-03-02 06:50:38 PM  
Thanks Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama/NAFTA
 
2014-03-02 06:51:05 PM  
35 miles?  Lightweight.
 
2014-03-02 06:51:07 PM  
In before the idiots flood this thread to suggest that she should have moved closer to work.
 
2014-03-02 06:51:25 PM  

mbillips: Yup. You quit your job, no unemployment. You have to get laid off.



So refusing to be transferred 35 miles away is now "quitting"? Especially for a $11 an hour job?
 
2014-03-02 06:51:25 PM  
A boss actually said to me "I will not lay you off, I will make you quit. There's no way I am paying unemployment for you"  And yes, he then proceeded to try everything to make me quit.  And I eventually did.  Although, three days later he called me and begged me to consult for him.

Yes, the American system is broken.
 
2014-03-02 06:52:25 PM  
Should have used public transportation until they fired you for being frequently tardy.
 
2014-03-02 06:53:48 PM  
That's all sorts of messed up right there.

"Good news, worker! You get to keep your job. But the new job is a 70 mile round trip further away!"

"Um, no."

"Well, if you refuse, that's considered job abandonment, NO UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS FOR YOU!"

The punchline? The employer gets a refund of everything they contributed to their share of the unemployment that they paid. Not so much for workers. Workers NEVER get a refund.

...So yeah, employers have wide latitude AND motive to dick you around.
 
2014-03-02 06:54:09 PM  

Bonzo_1116: A 35 mile commute for a job that pays $11.48/hr?

Brutal.


Yeah, in the end she's taking home around $7 an hour. At that rate, she might as well get a job at Walmart (or wherever) and earn more than that with a shorter commute.

And that figure isn't even considering the wear and tear and upkeep of her vehicle. I drive up to 120 miles on some days, but travel is part of my job and I get reimbursed for time and mileage. She wasn't getting jack, so yeah, she did the right thing by quitting.
 
2014-03-02 06:54:15 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: In before the idiots flood this thread to suggest that she should have moved closer to work.


I will not make that suggestion, she just should of had her chauffeur get up earlier.
 
2014-03-02 06:54:28 PM  
I currently drive 30 miles each way to work.  But I get paid a heck of a lot more than $11 / hr.


tripleseven: Although, three days later he called me and begged me to consult for him.


Which, if I'm not mistaken, means he doesn't have to pay payroll taxes or benefits.
 
2014-03-02 06:55:05 PM  
Wake up America, your goveernment and big business has sold all of your jobs down the river to the lowest bidder
 
2014-03-02 06:55:23 PM  
She is also a realtor for horse farms, so her commissions on that must make her bank, she must work at the schools for the benefits.
 
2014-03-02 06:55:54 PM  

Bonzo_1116: A 35 mile commute for a job that pays $11.48/hr?

Brutal.


I spent a year driving an hour and ten minutes to and from work for $8.50 an hour ten years ago. I had an old car with no working heater or air conditioner but it was still preferable to going on welfare and food stamps. I had a family to take care of so I did what I had to do.

Long story short, I'm still working there but moved closer after a while and now work as a manager.

She should have at least given it a try. I learned to enjoy the quiet drive. She might have, too.

/or not
//agree she didn't qualify for unemployment
 
2014-03-02 06:57:16 PM  

Bonzo_1116: A 35 mile commute for a job that pays $11.48/hr?

Brutal.


I worked a temp gig for six months that paid only $14 an hour after training (@$10 an hour), and had to drive 46 miles each way to the other end of the county to get there. In a 15 year old car with 200K+ really really hard miles on it. Took me more than two hours a day to commute. Where I work now I still have to drive 23 miles each way, but they pay me $70k a year and it's in a new (lease returned) car.
 
2014-03-02 06:59:04 PM  
She can make $5 more an hour slangin coffee at Tim Hortons up here.
 
2014-03-02 07:00:09 PM  
She should have moved closer to work.
 
2014-03-02 07:00:10 PM  

mbillips: Yup. You quit your job, no unemployment. You have to get laid off.


WOOHOO! Trolltastic, badly worded headline catches first sucker!
 
2014-03-02 07:00:52 PM  
Is the dumbass the woman?  Looks like the judge made a simple decision based on current law and existing precedent.
 
2014-03-02 07:01:52 PM  

Arkanaut: I currently drive 30 miles each way to work.  But I get paid a heck of a lot more than $11 / hr.


tripleseven: Although, three days later he called me and begged me to consult for him.

Which, if I'm not mistaken, means he doesn't have to pay payroll taxes or benefits.



Correct.
 
2014-03-02 07:01:57 PM  
No way you are going to win that case if you don't at least try the commute!
 
2014-03-02 07:02:20 PM  
So, let's consider this in other terms.

At $11.48 an hour, that is about $98 a day gross. Say you knock 20% off for taxes, Social Security, all that stuff. That leaves about $74

If she drives a car that gets the US average of 20 miles per gallon, that's about 3.5 gallons a day for a 70-mile round trip commute. So at the average price of gas in Pottstown, PA, that's $12.50 a day in gasoline.

So a 35-mile commute takes her take-home pay from $74 to $61.

In conclusion, her commute costs would amount to about 20% of her pay.
 
2014-03-02 07:04:35 PM  

Arkanaut: I currently drive 30 miles each way to work.  But I get paid a heck of a lot more than $11 / hr.


tripleseven: Although, three days later he called me and begged me to consult for him.

Which, if I'm not mistaken, means he doesn't have to pay payroll taxes or benefits.

Or worker's comp, or UI taxes, or basically anything else.  Correct.
 
2014-03-02 07:05:22 PM  
You can collect if you leave your job, you just have to wait a little longer before you start.
 
2014-03-02 07:06:03 PM  

theflatline: Can her unemployment pay for all the cheap make up?


$11.48 will not buy you much at sephora or anyplace else that sells makeup.
 
2014-03-02 07:10:27 PM  
As someone who drives to work further than she does each day for teaching, I do have to say were I not already an insomniac who preferred the quiet time and enjoyed driving, this would have had me switch positions quick.
 
2014-03-02 07:11:21 PM  

thegarthok: No way you are going to win that case if you don't at least try the commute!


All americans should become migrant workers
 
2014-03-02 07:13:57 PM  
I do not see the issue with this.
 
2014-03-02 07:15:18 PM  

Nix Nightbird: Bonzo_1116: A 35 mile commute for a job that pays $11.48/hr?

Yeah, in the end she's taking home around $7 an hour. At that rate, she might as well get a job at Walmart (or wherever) and earn more than that with a shorter commute.



Which is what most people do instead of going to court to argue for unemployment.
 
2014-03-02 07:15:34 PM  
So, she'll go on food stamps and welfare and we'll pay for it. And all the money she paid into a UI goes bye bye...but the employer gets a refund for their share.

The US is farked up.
 
2014-03-02 07:15:41 PM  
Nobody is entitled to a job, much less a good job.  She should be grateful to even have a job opportunity, which millions of people don't.  Suck it up, pray for forbearance, and work hard enough to become indispensable.

/not trolling
//I've worked in worse conditions, for less money
///it eliminated any sense of middle-class entitlement I felt
 
2014-03-02 07:17:19 PM  
Sounds like they wanted to fire her and did this. Dick move, but agree, no mailbox check for you.
 
2014-03-02 07:17:40 PM  
Ugh. Narberth. Add another hour on to the commute for the last 3 miles.
 
2014-03-02 07:18:17 PM  

Nix Nightbird: Bonzo_1116: A 35 mile commute for a job that pays $11.48/hr?

Brutal.

Yeah, in the end she's taking home around $7 an hour. At that rate, she might as well get a job at Walmart (or wherever) and earn more than that with a shorter commute.

And that figure isn't even considering the wear and tear and upkeep of her vehicle. I drive up to 120 miles on some days, but travel is part of my job and I get reimbursed for time and mileage. She wasn't getting jack, so yeah, she did the right thing by quitting.


The trick is to line up the Walmart job before quitting though.
 
2014-03-02 07:18:20 PM  
You have to be kidding me. No one in PA drives less that 35 miles to work, and they do it for way less money and far fewer days than this person. She wants to be paid $45k a year for a part time job and not drive for it? Hire a limo.
 
2014-03-02 07:18:20 PM  
I always thought that was the trade off; you get to enjoy the relative peace and quiet of living in a rural / small town area, but your likely to have to travel further for work and amenities.
 
2014-03-02 07:18:51 PM  
I recently got a job with a base salary that comes out to $12/hr, though I was supposed to be able to make an additional $1-2k per month extra if certain sales goals were hit. A month after I started they "adjusted" (aka increased) the sales goals which basically made it all but impossible to hit their numbers. Yeah, I'm actively trying to fired so they can pay my unemployment while I find a new job.
 
2014-03-02 07:19:15 PM  
At various times in my life, I'd have killed for only a 35 mile commute.  At one point, I was driving 29 miles from home to work for a seasonal job, then another 52 miles to volunteer as a college coach.  It was a crap job, but I stuck it out to get experience.

I've never had a commute of less than 39 miles.  You want to get ahead, you have to pay your dues.
 
2014-03-02 07:20:54 PM  

Tillmaster: The US system is broken.


Yeah, we need a system like European teachers who ride an hour on a bus each way going half as many miles for half the wages and double the taxes.
 
2014-03-02 07:21:18 PM  

Trixie212: Bonzo_1116: A 35 mile commute for a job that pays $11.48/hr?

Brutal.

I spent a year driving an hour and ten minutes to and from work for $8.50 an hour ten years ago. I had an old car with no working heater or air conditioner but it was still preferable to going on welfare and food stamps. I had a family to take care of so I did what I had to do.

Long story short, I'm still working there but moved closer after a while and now work as a manager.

She should have at least given it a try. I learned to enjoy the quiet drive. She might have, too.

/or not
//agree she didn't qualify for unemployment


Welcome to the world for those of that live in rural areas and have to travel to the city to get any sort of job.  Get a job at Wal-Mart close by and come out equal or ahead.  Some people actually need unemployment because they were laid off, not because they were feeling like a princess.  System sucks but hey, there's a lot of people that are much worse off.
 
2014-03-02 07:22:42 PM  
PA also takes a "right to work tax" out of your paycheck. This is in addition to the state income tax. And then Pottstown most likely (being a shiathole town with a school in PA) has a local income tax. She'd be lucky to clear $50 a day.
On the other hand, you simply cannot quit your job in PA and expect to get unemployment. Even if it's due to a hostile work environment. PA views unemployment as strictly being for lay offs.
 
2014-03-02 07:25:14 PM  

optikeye: So, she'll go on food stamps and welfare and we'll pay for it. And all the money she paid into a UI goes bye bye...but the employer gets a refund for their share.

The US is farked up.


It is.

She is a realtor for high end properties who doesnt use her commissions to pay for insurance, so she teaches school for low pay while enjoying the insurance benefits year around while she does her real job.

I have a neighbor here in Florida who does the same thing.  She lives in a 3 million dollar house, sells property and teaches school.

She recently tried to have teachers strike because of a benefit cut for those who work less than 20 hours a week(which she does) but god forbid she just paid for it out of her pocket.  She was over at my house recently bragging about a 75k commission she just made on a property.
 
2014-03-02 07:25:36 PM  
It should be illegal to require someone to have to commute that far.
 
2014-03-02 07:30:09 PM  

optikeye: So, she'll go on food stamps and welfare and we'll pay for it. And all the money she paid into a UI goes bye bye...but the employer gets a refund for their share.

The US is farked up.


Employees don't pay into unemployment as a direct payroll deduction.
 
2014-03-02 07:30:28 PM  
But without the commuters, who will use the roads?
 
2014-03-02 07:30:49 PM  

Tillmaster: The US system is broken.


I'd love to rant about all the examples my payroll company has from all the clients we do payroll for, in order to back that up in ways you might not agree with related to this article.

However the last time I did that on fark, somehow it got back to the client I ranted about at the time and in turn to my company.  That leetle privacy agreement we all sign is supposed to be ironclad. oops.
 
2014-03-02 07:31:08 PM  

tripleseven: A boss actually said to me "I will not lay you off, I will make you quit. There's no way I am paying unemployment for you"  And yes, he then proceeded to try everything to make me quit.  And I eventually did.  Although, three days later he called me and begged me to consult for him.

Yes, the American system is broken.


You should have tried doing as little as possible. Lets face it, two can play your old bosses little game.
 
2014-03-02 07:31:24 PM  

Bonzo_1116: A 35 mile commute for a job that pays $11.48/hr?

Brutal.


My division of the company I worked for was sold off not too long ago to a competitor, and they had two equally shiatty offices you could choose to work for if they offered you a job, both around 34-36 miles away from our old office.... which was a whole 4 minutes from my house. If they offered you a job in the new company and you didn't take it then you got no severance, no unemployment, no nothing as the federal guidelines are anything under 50 miles and you either take it or go get farked.

The difficulty? This is the DC metro area we're talking about, and those 35 miles are through some of the most brutal traffic in the country. 35 miles here isn't the same commute as 35 miles in Bumfark Kansas (it's a lovely place I hear). I was offered a job, and took it and now I have a commute which, round trip, is anywhere from 2+ hours a day when it's perfect to 5 hours a day when it's bad. It's not fun (doesn't help that my car is stick either), and it DOES beat the hell up out of your car and since it's travel to your job site you don't get reimbursed or compensated for that mileage. They offered me the same pay I was making before so between tolls, gas, time and extra repairs (which have been substantial) it has been a significant reduction in both income and quality of life.

The most galling part is that the wife and I moved to where we live specifically to be closer to work, and my wife works just blocks from our house. We also got a great deal and are really settled in, so we're not moving anywhere. I'm currently looking for a new job, but the job market SUCKS BIG TIME.

They could at least make the federal distance regulation a regional thing...
 
2014-03-02 07:32:42 PM  

optikeye: So, she'll go on food stamps and welfare and we'll pay for it. And all the money she paid into a UI goes bye bye...but the employer gets a refund for their share.

The US is farked up.



It is, and if you want to know why a lot of it has to do with idiots like the one who posted just after you.
 
2014-03-02 07:34:00 PM  
Even though it's a tough nut that she would have to drive much further to work, she still would have made more by doing that than by taking unemployment.  She makes about $460/wk and after taxes and gas costs she'd net around 320 a week plus benefits whereas unemployment would only pay about $230/wk.  And unemployment is only temporary whereas the job could be assumed to last a lot longer.

Yet, even given that, she clearly was fine with getting $230/wk to sit on her ass and do nothing.  She had choices and she chose the worst out of all of it...which makes her an idiot.  She could have kept the job until she found something closer to home that she liked better and then quit the one job.  But she didn't.  Dumbass.  I don't feel sorry for her in the least.
 
2014-03-02 07:34:15 PM  

AUAIOMRN: mbillips: Yup. You quit your job, no unemployment. You have to get laid off.


So refusing to be transferred 35 miles away is now "quitting"? Especially for a $11 an hour job?


A transfer with a half-hour commute definitely falls under a reasonable attempt at accommodation by the employer as an alternative to just canning her.  I'd say it's plenty to void unemployment insurance, at least the UI the employer's funding.

State-funded UI is dodgier, personally I'd vote that any state-funded UI program err much more on the side of paying out, and would say this is enough of a gray area they should probably just list her for at least short-term payout.
 
2014-03-02 07:34:29 PM  

tripleseven: A boss actually said to me "I will not lay you off, I will make you quit. There's no way I am paying unemployment for you"  And yes, he then proceeded to try everything to make me quit.  And I eventually did.  Although, three days later he called me and begged me to consult for him.

Yes, the American system is broken.


One of those times you just wish you had a tape recorder handy.
 
2014-03-02 07:34:49 PM  

StopLurkListen: .....The punchline? The employer gets a refund of everything they contributed to their share of the unemployment that they paid. Not so much for workers. Workers NEVER get a refund.


Yeah, about that. In AZ I never saw any refund for employees who were denied unemployment. It's a pool the employer doesn't drink from.
At least that is my experience.
-------

She should have told her boss "I deny the transfer" and kept showing up for work until they fired her.
There are some jobs though, a transfer should be expected, but not expect a teaching job to do so, unless it was the sex stuff.
 
2014-03-02 07:35:13 PM  
Some of you are assuming that working hard and sucking up the commute will somehow translate into her getting ahead.

She is a teacher's aide. She will never get a promotion, or a large pay raise, unless she went and completed whatever credentials needed to obtain a teaching certificate. If she wanted retirement she would have to work another 15 years minimum anticipating maybe 15 or 20 cent hourly raises each year.
 
2014-03-02 07:37:13 PM  

Jim_Callahan: A transfer with a half-hour commute definitely falls under a reasonable attempt at accommodation by the employer as an alternative to just canning her.  I'd say it's plenty to void unemployment insurance, at least the UI the employer's funding.


The major issue being she is a teacher, and schools swell and stagnate and decline and there are all matters of funding changes which occur which cause teacher positions to switch and some teacher positions to be prioritized; a half-hour commute seems reasonable based on what closed in one area and opened in another.
 
2014-03-02 07:37:23 PM  
Lightweight. I drive  47.6 miles one way.

I get it done in one hour with moderate speeding.  I do get paid more though.

2012 Ford Focus just past 28k miles.
 
2014-03-02 07:38:58 PM  

powhound: Some of you are assuming that working hard and sucking up the commute will somehow translate into her getting ahead.

She is a teacher's aide. She will never get a promotion, or a large pay raise, unless she went and completed whatever credentials needed to obtain a teaching certificate. If she wanted retirement she would have to work another 15 years minimum anticipating maybe 15 or 20 cent hourly raises each year.


That's not the only way to get ahead.  Having a job (instead of a blank space) on her resume will make it 1000x easier for her to find another job, either a better one or one closer to home.
 
2014-03-02 07:41:10 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: You should have tried doing as little as possible. Lets face it, two can play your old bosses little game.


Then they get fired for cause, which is just as good for the employer's purposes as them quitting, in terms of having to pay out on UI. Really, better even, since the employer can now dump you on his terms instead of dealing with the unknown of the employee's resolve.
 
2014-03-02 07:41:37 PM  
I wonder how long she was commuting before.
 
2014-03-02 07:45:28 PM  

The hopeless imp: PA also takes a "right to work tax" out of your paycheck. This is in addition to the state income tax. And then Pottstown most likely (being a shiathole town with a school in PA) has a local income tax. She'd be lucky to clear $50 a day.
On the other hand, you simply cannot quit your job in PA and expect to get unemployment. Even if it's due to a hostile work environment. PA views unemployment as strictly being for lay offs.



Clearing $50 a day is probably half of S Central Pa.

If you quit your job.... you better get off your ass and go find another.    Not apply for unemployment.

Dumbass tag appropriate for dumbass teacher.
 
2014-03-02 07:48:26 PM  

powhound: Some of you are assuming that working hard and sucking up the commute will somehow translate into her getting ahead.

She is a teacher's aide. She will never get a promotion, or a large pay raise, unless she went and completed whatever credentials needed to obtain a teaching certificate. If she wanted retirement she would have to work another 15 years minimum anticipating maybe 15 or 20 cent hourly raises each year.


No one's saying it will get her ahead, we're saying she has the option to  stay employed, probably while looking for another job, but still.  Unemployment insurance is for people that  lose their job, not people who think it's a dead end or get fed up with what's being asked of them and quit.

I mean, if there was some malice involved, like the employer was intentionally setting up untenable options to purposefully try to make people quit, that'd be a different thing (and I assume that's what she was alleging... kind of ridiculously, since school closings aren't really based on consolidations usually).  But basically she had the option to keep bringing in a paycheck while looking for a new job, and she chose not to do so.

She can't even really claim that the job continuance offers weren't legitimate because of the commute... the sheer empirical evidence of millions of Americans with a half-hour commute to a shiatty job that do it without incident sort of strikes that one down fast.
 
2014-03-02 07:49:40 PM  
Live out in the Shenandoah Valley.  Everyone here drives to "downtown' or 'down the country' towards DC.  35 miles isn't too bad.  And was she receiving any kind of employer benefits?  Insurance, PTO, etc.
 
2014-03-02 07:54:01 PM  
It wasn't her primary job....she's a 'high-end' real estate agent. No sympathy for her at all...complaining about driving is Pennsylvania is ridiculous as it's mostly highway driving everywhere. Have driven from North Jersey to Pottstown on many occasions.
 
2014-03-02 08:04:43 PM  

majestic: optikeye: So, she'll go on food stamps and welfare and we'll pay for it. And all the money she paid into a UI goes bye bye...but the employer gets a refund for their share.

The US is farked up.

Employees don't pay into unemployment as a direct payroll deduction.


That is correct. The employer is responsible for FUTA (federal) and SUTA/SUI (state) unemployment taxes. The state portion can get extremely complex when your employees work multiple jobs in many states throughout the year.

I suppose the effect of paying these liabilities is reflected in the employees wage, though an employee never pays for unemployment directly.
 
2014-03-02 08:06:06 PM  
BadMotivator
2014-03-02 06:47:07 PM


Turns out the Republicans were right. We need to deregulate the streets.

Liberal state, liberal school system... quick, blame republicans!
 
2014-03-02 08:10:09 PM  

cwolf20: Tillmaster: The US system is broken.

I'd love to rant about all the examples my payroll company has from all the clients we do payroll for, in order to back that up in ways you might not agree with related to this article.

However the last time I did that on fark, somehow it got back to the client I ranted about at the time and in turn to my company.  That leetle privacy agreement we all sign is supposed to be ironclad. oops.


In a way, good. I would rather see actual data. Any of us could pretend to have some sort of inside information.
 
2014-03-02 08:12:57 PM  

theflatline: optikeye: So, she'll go on food stamps and welfare and we'll pay for it. And all the money she paid into a UI goes bye bye...but the employer gets a refund for their share.

The US is farked up.

It is.

She is a realtor for high end properties who doesnt use her commissions to pay for insurance, so she teaches school for low pay while enjoying the insurance benefits year around while she does her real job.

I have a neighbor here in Florida who does the same thing.  She lives in a 3 million dollar house, sells property and teaches school.

She recently tried to have teachers strike because of a benefit cut for those who work less than 20 hours a week(which she does) but god forbid she just paid for it out of her pocket.  She was over at my house recently bragging about a 75k commission she just made on a property.


Or, before ACA, she or a family member was considered uninsurable. Didn't matter how much you were willing to pay, proper insurance was not available for many.
 
2014-03-02 08:17:22 PM  
Prior to 1992 very few workers drove more than 15 to20 miles for good paying jobs. In 92 your government knuckled under to big buisness and signed NAFTA into law. this was a green light for buisness to send jobs south of the border where workers would work for $1.15/hr. They also eliminated taxwes on imports so that American companies could send materials to places like Mexico, and assemble the products and bring them back with no taxes. So I guess we all know where the local jobs went and why every one has to drive 40 miles for low wages
 
2014-03-02 08:20:47 PM  

Saluki222: Is the dumbass the woman?  Looks like the judge made a simple decision based on current law and existing precedent.


Well the dumbasses would be the Farkers who didn't read the rest of the article:

Keim "did not try commuting to the new location for even a single day," Colins noted, nor did she check out the possibility of carpooling or using public transportation. So, he wrote, she failed to show that her supposed commuting difficulties were "insurmountable."
And, the judge noted, her former employer did offer to be flexible about her schedule, given the longer drive.


So basically, this woman saw she would be doing a 35-mile commute and immediately quit & filed for unemployment. Sorry, honey, I am willing to be sympathetic; but you do at least have to TRY to show that 35 miles is just inhumanly impossible for one woman to bear before you try for unemployment.

Would it have been too much trouble to check that nobody could carpool with you and there wasn't a bus stop nearby?
 
2014-03-02 08:29:48 PM  

Jim_Callahan: A transfer with a half-hour commute definitely falls under a reasonable attempt at accommodation by the employer as an alternative to just canning her.  I'd say it's plenty to void unemployment insurance, at least the UI the employer's funding.


In what universe is 35 miles a 30 minute commute? San Francisco is 7 miles across but it takes 45 minutes to get from the Sunset to the Embarcadero at 7:00 am.
 
2014-03-02 08:31:39 PM  
I can't imagine commuting more than 5 miles to work (at least, regularly), much less the sums of numbers you guys are talking about. All this "suck it up, that's how it is" is pretty false. Is it impossible to move? Or find a different job? I think some of you just like getting farked in the ass...
 
2014-03-02 08:33:55 PM  
This woman should be embarrassed for even applying for unemployment.

Get it together and find another job,  don't go on the public dole.
 
2014-03-02 08:35:37 PM  

Bonzo_1116: A 35 mile commute for a job that pays $11.48/hr?

Brutal.


That's not even worth the commute, but it was completely stupid to apply for unemployment after quitting.
 
2014-03-02 08:35:59 PM  

proteus_b: I can't imagine commuting more than 5 miles to work (at least, regularly), much less the sums of numbers you guys are talking about. All this "suck it up, that's how it is" is pretty false. Is it impossible to move? Or find a different job? I think some of you just like getting farked in the ass...


Yes, often it is impossible to move.
Yes, it is often impossible to find a different job. Where have you been the past 15 years?

However, 35 miles commute is about typical for a lot of people, it's a bit far for such a low-paying job, but it's not unconscionable. I know people who do that routinely.
 
2014-03-02 08:36:41 PM  
68 Miles each way in an old jeep with +200K miles. my worlds tiniest fiddle...let me play ut for you
 
2014-03-02 08:37:02 PM  

Cyclometh: So, let's consider this in other terms.

At $11.48 an hour, that is about $98 a day gross. Say you knock 20% off for taxes, Social Security, all that stuff. That leaves about $74

If she drives a car that gets the US average of 20 miles per gallon, that's about 3.5 gallons a day for a 70-mile round trip commute. So at the average price of gas in Pottstown, PA, that's $12.50 a day in gasoline.

So a 35-mile commute takes her take-home pay from $74 to $61.

In conclusion, her commute costs would amount to about 20% of her pay.


Unless she uses the $61 a day to build a teleportation device that runs on cheap renewable energy.

Profit!
 
2014-03-02 08:38:53 PM  
Bill Bryson once postulated it would take 14 hours for a stone-age adult (14-30 y/o) male to hunt up enough meat to feed his whole family... for A WEEK.
Taken together with the other young hunters, and divvied up amongst the community, 1 solid kill would garner enough leftovers to feed the widows/orphans/elderly/infirm.
The rest of the time (after building your hut or igloo or tree-fort) would be spent farking under the moonlight...

I'm not an idiot. I don't advocate "going off the grid"

All I'm saying is this:

Somewhere, Someone you've never met is gobbling up your extra 26 hours of labor per week. And though you work hard for a living, HE never really has had to.
YOUR piss smells of cheap vodka and 'chiken-flavored' ramen noodles, while HIS soft, fleshy hands smell of almas caviar, fine champagne, and perfumed toilet paper.

We're all a bunch of suckers.
 
2014-03-02 08:41:23 PM  

Jim_Callahan: I'd say it's plenty to void unemployment insurance, at least the UI the employer's funding.


"Diamond Jim"Callahan in the house, people.
 
2014-03-02 08:42:19 PM  

Silentbob768768: 68 Miles each way in an old jeep with +200K miles. my worlds tiniest fiddle...let me play ut for you


How long does your commute take each way? I'd love to calculate how much of the only life you're ever going to have that you're spending sitting in traffic.
 
2014-03-02 08:43:19 PM  

TsarTom: Bill Bryson once postulated it would take 14 hours for a stone-age adult (14-30 y/o) male to hunt up enough meat to feed his whole family... for A WEEK.
Taken together with the other young hunters, and divvied up amongst the community, 1 solid kill would garner enough leftovers to feed the widows/orphans/elderly/infirm.
The rest of the time (after building your hut or igloo or tree-fort) would be spent farking under the moonlight...

I'm not an idiot. I don't advocate "going off the grid"

All I'm saying is this:

Somewhere, Someone you've never met is gobbling up your extra 26 hours of labor per week. And though you work hard for a living, HE never really has had to.
YOUR piss smells of cheap vodka and 'chiken-flavored' ramen noodles, while HIS soft, fleshy hands smell of almas caviar, fine champagne, and perfumed toilet paper.

We're all a bunch of suckers.


Mrs. Thrag in this scenario spent up to thirty hours a week digging and prepping roots for supper for the days when Mr. Thrag was unlucky.

It's still loads less work than now.

/Agriculture was the downfall of leisure.
 
2014-03-02 08:44:28 PM  

Silentbob768768: 68 Miles each way in an old jeep with +200K miles. my worlds tiniest fiddle...let me play ut for you


With a cavalier attitude like that, I hope gas prices go up. A lot.
 
2014-03-02 08:45:16 PM  

Dwindle: Tillmaster: The US system is broken.

Yeah, we need a system like European teachers who ride an hour on a bus each way going half as many miles for half the wages and double the taxes.


You need teachers that will teach you differences between a country and a continent.

What are you talking about, Moldova or Switzerland?
 
2014-03-02 08:45:47 PM  

toadist: This woman should be embarrassed for even applying for unemployment.

Get it together and find another job,  don't go on the public dole.


So let's just give employers even more power than they have right now, k?

It's always the worker's fault.
 
2014-03-02 08:52:33 PM  
Yes!
 
2014-03-02 08:57:15 PM  

whidbey: toadist: This woman should be embarrassed for even applying for unemployment.

Get it together and find another job,  don't go on the public dole.

So let's just give employers even more power than they have right now, k?

It's always the worker's fault.


What? No rah-rah capitalism, go fark the worker drones over for as little as we can get away with paying them for you?!

What are you? A human being or something?
 
2014-03-02 08:57:36 PM  

Cyclometh: So, let's consider this in other terms.

At $11.48 an hour, that is about $98 a day gross. Say you knock 20% off for taxes, Social Security, all that stuff. That leaves about $74

If she drives a car that gets the US average of 20 miles per gallon, that's about 3.5 gallons a day for a 70-mile round trip commute. So at the average price of gas in Pottstown, PA, that's $12.50 a day in gasoline.

So a 35-mile commute takes her take-home pay from $74 to $61.

In conclusion, her commute costs would amount to about 20% of her pay.



But now that she quit instead of trying to work it out, she makes $0 for being a lazy biatch.

/your math sucks
 
2014-03-02 09:00:01 PM  
45 miles each way every work day for 5 months.  And the travel time was less than when I was working in downtown Boston, even though it was half the miles.

Now I only go in twice a week.

/employer gave me $$$ per month to cover travel costs
//sucked then, really nice now
 
2014-03-02 09:00:18 PM  

tripleseven: A boss actually said to me "I will not lay you off, I will make you quit. There's no way I am paying unemployment for you"  And yes, he then proceeded to try everything to make me quit.  And I eventually did.  Although, three days later he called me and begged me to consult for him.

Yes, the American system is broken.


I think I'd like to hear your boss's side of things before I indict my entire country.
 
2014-03-02 09:01:35 PM  

BluVeinThrobber: Wake up America, your goveernment and big business has sold all of your jobs down the river to the lowest bidder


Always nice to see a liberal/populist who is for curbing immigration and is anti-amnesty.
 
2014-03-02 09:01:42 PM  

The more you eat the more you fart: whidbey: toadist: This woman should be embarrassed for even applying for unemployment.

Get it together and find another job,  don't go on the public dole.

So let's just give employers even more power than they have right now, k?

It's always the worker's fault.

What? No rah-rah capitalism, go fark the worker drones over for as little as we can get away with paying them for you?!

What are you? A human being or something?


Just hedging my bets until that big Koch Bros automatic deposit comes through.
 
2014-03-02 09:02:19 PM  

Bonzo_1116: TsarTom:

Mrs. Thrag in this scenario spent up to thirty hours a week digging and prepping roots for supper for the days when Mr. Thrag was unlucky.

It's still loads less work than now.


you've got a better job then me.
 
2014-03-02 09:04:47 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Where have you been the past 15 years?


Got it actually listed in my profile, if you cared. I guess it depends what point in life you are at, but I'd consider moving if such a compelling job existed that far from my home.
 
2014-03-02 09:05:33 PM  
35 mile drive for 11 bucks an hour? Nope, I wouldn't do it either.
 
2014-03-02 09:07:19 PM  
^than.

sorry to the regular folks. Need to stop the nazis from descending
 
2014-03-02 09:08:03 PM  
As someone who routinely commutes a 70 mile round trip though LA TRAFFIC for a teaching job, I have little sympathy.

When you have done a 35 mile leg that took over 3 hours due to a freeway closure, and pee was ready to start flowing out of your ears, then maybe I will have some sympathy. But even then, it is unlikely.
 
2014-03-02 09:08:33 PM  

TsarTom: Bonzo_1116: TsarTom:

Mrs. Thrag in this scenario spent up to thirty hours a week digging and prepping roots for supper for the days when Mr. Thrag was unlucky.

It's still loads less work than now.

you've got a better job then me.


You dig roots for a living?
 
2014-03-02 09:12:04 PM  

StanTheMan: BluVeinThrobber: Wake up America, your goveernment and big business has sold all of your jobs down the river to the lowest bidder

Always nice to see a liberal/populist who is for curbing immigration and is anti-amnesty.


Just stating the facts
 
2014-03-02 09:14:54 PM  
They made the right call. If 35 miles is too much then she just doesn't want to work.  I do 46 miles each way, admittedly for more money though.   Its not trivial but I would do more if that is what it takes to be a working, contributing member of society.  She sounds like a diva type that thinks the work should come to where she is.  Sorry but it doesn't work that way.
 
2014-03-02 09:14:59 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Jim_Callahan: A transfer with a half-hour commute definitely falls under a reasonable attempt at accommodation by the employer as an alternative to just canning her.  I'd say it's plenty to void unemployment insurance, at least the UI the employer's funding.

In what universe is 35 miles a 30 minute commute? San Francisco is 7 miles across but it takes 45 minutes to get from the Sunset to the Embarcadero at 7:00 am.


Yeah, but this is rural-ish PA, not urban SF.  She probably would spend most of that commute at highway speed on US-422.

TsarTom: Bill Bryson once postulated it would take 14 hours for a stone-age adult (14-30 y/o) male to hunt up enough meat to feed his whole family... for A WEEK.
Taken together with the other young hunters, and divvied up amongst the community, 1 solid kill would garner enough leftovers to feed the widows/orphans/elderly/infirm.
The rest of the time (after building your hut or igloo or tree-fort) would be spent farking under the moonlight...


14 hours per week per person, yeah, that's about right for the Stone Age.  And if we all quit working more than 14 hours a week, that's what we'd go back to in a generation or two.  It takes work to keep civilization running.  You need a certain minimum population just to do enough work to maintain civilization, and as civilization gets more complex and interconnected that minimum population rises.

whidbey: toadist: This woman should be embarrassed for even applying for unemployment.

Get it together and find another job,  don't go on the public dole.

So let's just give employers even more power than they have right now, k?

It's always the worker's fault.


Not always, but sometimes, and this looks to me like one of those times.

As for me, I used to do about what she's complaining about for what was, adjusted for inflation, about the same money.  It was an entry-level position and I grew out of it eventually, moved back into town and got a better job.
 
2014-03-02 09:16:28 PM  

ReapTheChaos: 35 mile drive for 11 bucks an hour? Nope, I wouldn't do it either.


HOW DARE YOU.
 
2014-03-02 09:17:21 PM  

Captain Dan: powhound: Some of you are assuming that working hard and sucking up the commute will somehow translate into her getting ahead.

She is a teacher's aide. She will never get a promotion, or a large pay raise, unless she went and completed whatever credentials needed to obtain a teaching certificate. If she wanted retirement she would have to work another 15 years minimum anticipating maybe 15 or 20 cent hourly raises each year.

That's not the only way to get ahead.  Having a job (instead of a blank space) on her resume will make it 1000x easier for her to find another job, either a better one or one closer to home.


1000x? Citation please.
 
2014-03-02 09:18:39 PM  

Kensey: whidbey: toadist: This woman should be embarrassed for even applying for unemployment.

Get it together and find another job,  don't go on the public dole.

So let's just give employers even more power than they have right now, k?

It's always the worker's fault.


Not always, but sometimes, and this looks to me like one of those times.

As for me, I used to do about what she's complaining about for what was, adjusted for inflation, about the same money.  It was an entry-level position and I grew out of it eventually, moved back into town and got a better job.


I'm not seeing how forcing someone to use resources to drive or waste time on the bus for a shiatty job is worth it. Sorry. The car is worth more.
 
2014-03-02 09:19:59 PM  

Your Hind Brain: That's not the only way to get ahead.  Having a job (instead of a blank space) on her resume will make it 1000x easier for her to find another job, either a better one or one closer to home.


1000x? Citation please.


He's got a GED in Bootstrappiness. Trumps most Googling.
 
2014-03-02 09:20:46 PM  
$11.48 an hour seems like awfully low pay for a teacher.
 
2014-03-02 09:22:41 PM  

whatshisname: $11.48 an hour seems like awfully low pay for a teacher.


Well it's a noble profession. If they need extra money they can spend summer break up in Alaska doing cannery work.
 
2014-03-02 09:25:37 PM  
35 miles 1 way commute...
but I make a hell of a lot more than $12/hr.

were I a minimum wage slave, I'd probaly quit too... but that's the crux of the matter... when you quit, you don't get unemployment.
 
2014-03-02 09:27:18 PM  
Remember when you decided to move to the sticks so you can "afford more house?"

Seems like the chickens are coming home to roost
 
2014-03-02 09:29:58 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: 35 miles 1 way commute...
but I make a hell of a lot more than $12/hr.

were I a minimum wage slave, I'd probaly quit too... but that's the crux of the matter... when you quit, you don't get unemployment.


It's pretty sad when the unemployment actually makes ends meet better than a paying gig.
 
2014-03-02 09:31:03 PM  

whidbey: Your Hind Brain: That's not the only way to get ahead.  Having a job (instead of a blank space) on her resume will make it 1000x easier for her to find another job, either a better one or one closer to home.


1000x? Citation please.

He's got a GED in Bootstrappiness. Trumps most Googling.


Ah. Okay. Solution: Fill in blank space with "Independent Bible Studies". Don't forget to ask them "Were you there?" when they question you about proof of your studies.
 
2014-03-02 09:33:42 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I recently got a job with a base salary that comes out to $12/hr, though I was supposed to be able to make an additional $1-2k per month extra if certain sales goals were hit. A month after I started they "adjusted" (aka increased) the sales goals which basically made it all but impossible to hit their numbers. Yeah, I'm actively trying to fired so they can pay my unemployment while I find a new job.


I believe I'd sit on my ass at home until they missed me. What steps are you taking?
 
2014-03-02 09:36:47 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Unemployment insurance is for people that  lose their job


You may be the best kind of correct on this, but if your only option to keep a job is to add 2-3 hours of daily commute time AND a 20% pay cut, I'd argue that in any way that actually matters, you HAVE lost your job and have been given a new, shiattier job.
 
2014-03-02 09:38:37 PM  

theflatline: She is also a realtor for horse farms, so her commissions on that must make her bank, she must work at the schools for the benefits.


With ObamaCare she doesn't have to worry
 
2014-03-02 09:39:20 PM  

Cyclometh: Jim_Callahan: Unemployment insurance is for people that  lose their job

You may be the best kind of correct on this, but if your only option to keep a job is to add 2-3 hours of daily commute time AND a 20% pay cut, I'd argue that in any way that actually matters, you HAVE lost your job and have been given a new, shiattier job.


But you're not unemployed.
 
2014-03-02 09:40:58 PM  

NEPAman: Yes!


Luzurne County!!


/Moving back soon after 5 years. Can't wait.
 
2014-03-02 09:42:49 PM  
So, say she takes the commute until she can find another job.  When is she supposed to interview for this other job?  She can't very well step out at her lunch hour.  Anytime she takes off would be unpaid and thus make the commute even more painful.
 
2014-03-02 09:45:27 PM  

evil saltine: But you're not unemployed.


I wouldn't take a transfer in her situation either. Better to be unemployed and use other resources while looking for a job closer to home. Not everyone has that option, of course- but it sounds like she does.

I used to commute 75 miles  one way for a job. Of course, that paid well over six figures with absolutely gonzo benefits (no co-pays on anything health-related, you could self-refer to any specialist you wanted and there was no employee contribution).

I left that one in the end because it was soul-crushing to have to go that far all the time. 35 miles wouldn't have been as bad but in the end that's a lot of time you could spend with your family just sitting in traffic.

I'm not arguing that she should have been granted unemployment; I do think that if she'd argued that the new position wasn't a reasonable accommodation because it amounted to a pay cut with an increase in time commitment, she might have done better.

It's interesting that so many people are derisive of someone who says they won't get shat on, though. It's clear a lot of you know who your masters are and are happy with the boot on your neck.
 
2014-03-02 09:48:57 PM  

TsarTom: Bill Bryson once postulated it would take 14 hours for a stone-age adult (14-30 y/o) male to hunt up enough meat to feed his whole family... for A WEEK.
Taken together with the other young hunters, and divvied up amongst the community, 1 solid kill would garner enough leftovers to feed the widows/orphans/elderly/infirm.
The rest of the time (after building your hut or igloo or tree-fort) would be spent farking under the moonlight...

I'm not an idiot. I don't advocate "going off the grid"

All I'm saying is this:

Somewhere, Someone you've never met is gobbling up your extra 26 hours of labor per week. And though you work hard for a living, HE never really has had to.
YOUR piss smells of cheap vodka and 'chiken-flavored' ramen noodles, while HIS soft, fleshy hands smell of almas caviar, fine champagne, and perfumed toilet paper.

We're all a bunch of suckers.


Long story short, you are a farking dipshiat
 
2014-03-02 09:49:16 PM  

Cyclometh: It's interesting that so many people are derisive of someone who says they won't get shat on, though.


It's common on fark employment threads.  It's okay to shiat on lower paid workers when they complain because they should just work harder and do better, then they'll actually have important things to complain about.
 
2014-03-02 09:49:44 PM  

Captain Dan: Nobody is entitled to a job, much less a good job.  She should be grateful to even have a job opportunity, which millions of people don't.  Suck it up, pray for forbearance, and work hard enough to become indispensable.

/not trolling
//I've worked in worse conditions, for less money
///it eliminated any sense of middle-class entitlement I felt


I've done the crazy commute of 20-40 miles for some jobs that were just a step up from minimum wage - I was commuting 20 miles to work as a ditch hand for a small construction company. For those of you wondering what a "ditch hand" is - it's the guy in the ditch with a shovel making sure the guy in the backhoe doesn't cut something important -it's hard farking work in the cold, rain and hot....and doesn't pay shiat. (8.75/hr). She should be thrilled she made 11/hr.
 
2014-03-02 09:52:53 PM  

vabeard: 35 miles?  Lightweight.


I live 50 miles from where I work.  I can't imagine being "allowed" to get unemployment just because you're unwilling to commute any distance.
 
2014-03-02 09:55:06 PM  

Cyclometh: evil saltine: But you're not unemployed.

I wouldn't take a transfer in her situation either. Better to be unemployed and use other resources while looking for a job closer to home. Not everyone has that option, of course- but it sounds like she does.

I used to commute 75 miles  one way for a job. Of course, that paid well over six figures with absolutely gonzo benefits (no co-pays on anything health-related, you could self-refer to any specialist you wanted and there was no employee contribution).

I left that one in the end because it was soul-crushing to have to go that far all the time. 35 miles wouldn't have been as bad but in the end that's a lot of time you could spend with your family just sitting in traffic.

I'm not arguing that she should have been granted unemployment; I do think that if she'd argued that the new position wasn't a reasonable accommodation because it amounted to a pay cut with an increase in time commitment, she might have done better.

It's interesting that so many people are derisive of someone who says they won't get shat on, though. It's clear a lot of you know who your masters are and are happy with the boot on your neck.


Of course you have the option of quitting. You just won't qualify for unemployment benefits, because you quit.
 
2014-03-02 09:59:28 PM  

shizbgby_v2: Lightweight. I drive  47.6 miles one way.

I get it done in one hour with moderate speeding.  I do get paid more though.

2012 Ford Focus just past 28k miles.


How do you like the focus? I'm debating between the focus and the Chevy sonic. My 2013 S4 has 11k on the clock and I'd like to put the biggest chunk of mileage on a cheap vs 60k car.
 
2014-03-02 10:01:41 PM  
So...all you numbnuts that say "I drive further and get paid more, what a loser"... The two elements of your statement contradict each other, you smug farks.
Say she's got a reasonably efficient car that gets on average 20 miles per gallon. That means she burns two gallons EACH WAY, right,
Gasbuddy puts gas prices in PA at about $3.50 a gallon right now, so seven bucks each way. Times two, fourteen bucks in commuting costs every day.
Now, at 11.48 gross an hour, what do you think her take home is? Between gas and wear and tear, she'd be losing two hours worth of wages to commute alone.
 
2014-03-02 10:03:36 PM  

Ishidan: So...all you numbnuts that say "I drive further and get paid more, what a loser"... The two elements of your statement contradict each other, you smug farks.
Say she's got a reasonably efficient car that gets on average 20 miles per gallon. That means she burns two gallons EACH WAY, right,
Gasbuddy puts gas prices in PA at about $3.50 a gallon right now, so seven bucks each way. Times two, fourteen bucks in commuting costs every day.
Now, at 11.48 gross an hour, what do you think her take home is? Between gas and wear and tear, she'd be losing two hours worth of wages to commute alone.


I did the math on that upthread. It's actually 3.5 gallons, $3.57 a gallon and about 20% of her net pay. A good bit more when you add maintenance, insurance and so on. The insurance price for a car that is only used to go five miles to work vs one that's used to go 35 is pretty big.
 
2014-03-02 10:05:16 PM  

Bonzo_1116: TsarTom: Bill Bryson once postulated it would take 14 hours for a stone-age adult (14-30 y/o) male to hunt up enough meat to feed his whole family... for A WEEK.
Taken together with the other young hunters, and divvied up amongst the community, 1 solid kill would garner enough leftovers to feed the widows/orphans/elderly/infirm.
The rest of the time (after building your hut or igloo or tree-fort) would be spent farking under the moonlight...

I'm not an idiot. I don't advocate "going off the grid"

All I'm saying is this:

Somewhere, Someone you've never met is gobbling up your extra 26 hours of labor per week. And though you work hard for a living, HE never really has had to.
YOUR piss smells of cheap vodka and 'chiken-flavored' ramen noodles, while HIS soft, fleshy hands smell of almas caviar, fine champagne, and perfumed toilet paper.

We're all a bunch of suckers.

Mrs. Thrag in this scenario spent up to thirty hours a week digging and prepping roots for supper for the days when Mr. Thrag was unlucky.

It's still loads less work than now.

/Agriculture was the downfall of leisure.


If they had invented contraceptives before beer, we'd still be living in paradise.

//Not really. Hunting was pretty darn dangerous. Those 14 hours a week were brutal, and drying out the meat to make it last was a marathon of work. And then there was the occasional winter when things got bad and people ate their neighbors instead. Yyyumm... Moving from a meat to grain diet led to a loss of human stature, and more repetitive stress injuries, but fewer cases of cannibalism. Every now and then I wonder if an 80 year life expectancy is worth 40 years of cubicle toil, but then, it's been a while since I've had to worry about death by abscessed tooth.
 
2014-03-02 10:10:06 PM  

Cyclometh: evil saltine: But you're not unemployed.

I wouldn't take a transfer in her situation either. Better to be unemployed and use other resources while looking for a job closer to home. Not everyone has that option, of course- but it sounds like she does.

I used to commute 75 miles  one way for a job. Of course, that paid well over six figures with absolutely gonzo benefits (no co-pays on anything health-related, you could self-refer to any specialist you wanted and there was no employee contribution).

I left that one in the end because it was soul-crushing to have to go that far all the time. 35 miles wouldn't have been as bad but in the end that's a lot of time you could spend with your family just sitting in traffic.

I'm not arguing that she should have been granted unemployment; I do think that if she'd argued that the new position wasn't a reasonable accommodation because it amounted to a pay cut with an increase in time commitment, she might have done better.

It's interesting that so many people are derisive of someone who says they won't get shat on, though. It's clear a lot of you know who your masters are and are happy with the boot on your neck.


This Very much This
 
2014-03-02 10:11:45 PM  

youmightberight: shizbgby_v2: Lightweight. I drive  47.6 miles one way.

I get it done in one hour with moderate speeding.  I do get paid more though.

2012 Ford Focus just past 28k miles.

How do you like the focus? I'm debating between the focus and the Chevy sonic. My 2013 S4 has 11k on the clock and I'd like to put the biggest chunk of mileage on a cheap vs 60k car.


Pretty well. I'm a big and tall guy. I have plenty of legroom and the seats are decent for the commute. I average 30mpg a tank between city and highway driving. I could get more but South Jersey driving is fast. I got the basic model which came without cruise control and the good stereo. If you go 2013 and above its all standard, I think.
 
2014-03-02 10:12:59 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: In what universe is 35 miles a 30 minute commute? San Francisco is 7 miles across but it takes 45 minutes to get from the Sunset to the Embarcadero at 7:00 am.


I am sure you are correct that the traffic in podunk Pennsylvania is identical to downtown San Francisco. That is why it literally takes years to drive from coast to coast in this country.
 
2014-03-02 10:13:19 PM  
It depends on how long the 35 mile commute is.  I commute 28 miles into DC, but it takes about 90 minutes each way because I have to deal with lights, slow roads, then transfer to the Metro then walk 7 blocks.  The extra 3 hours per day is over and above 40 hours per week, which means I spend the equivalent of 56.25% of my work year commuting (3x5x1.5/40).  My commute is worth more than half my annual pay (not even counting damage to my car, gas, $5 metro parking per day and $12 metro fair per day).  It sucks.

A 35 mile drive could take 35 minutes.  It could also take 120 minutes.  35 minutes each way wouldn't be unreasonable, even at $11.48/hr.
Somewhere at or around 60 minutes it would start to be an issue, IMO.

I'd like to thank the article for leaving out relevant details, as usual with today's journalism.
 
2014-03-02 10:18:30 PM  
I wish my commute was only 35 miles
 
2014-03-02 10:28:42 PM  

Tillmaster: The US system is broken.


you sound barely employable
 
2014-03-02 10:31:54 PM  

gadian: So, say she takes the commute until she can find another job.  When is she supposed to interview for this other job?  She can't very well step out at her lunch hour.  Anytime she takes off would be unpaid and thus make the commute even more painful.


This made me laugh.
 
2014-03-02 10:32:22 PM  

Cyclometh: So, let's consider this in other terms.

At $11.48 an hour, that is about $98 a day gross. Say you knock 20% off for taxes, Social Security, all that stuff. That leaves about $74

If she drives a car that gets the US average of 20 miles per gallon, that's about 3.5 gallons a day for a 70-mile round trip commute. So at the average price of gas in Pottstown, PA, that's $12.50 a day in gasoline.

So a 35-mile commute takes her take-home pay from $74 to $61.

In conclusion, her commute costs would amount to about 20% of her pay.


Yep!  Welcome to America.

My wife's commute to work is 120 miles a day, but the car gets around 33 mpg, so we're blowing about $250 a month on gas so she can get to a job that pays about $1200 a month (and required a master's degree + experience).  We live with the in-laws though, and $250 a month is still cheaper than rent, so we keep on grinding those gears and spending 10-12 hours a week staring out of a windshield.

/shouldn't a truck have hit me by now, statistically?
//seriously, kill me please
 
2014-03-02 10:34:20 PM  

Captain Dan: Nobody is entitled to a job, much less a good job.  She should be grateful to even have a job opportunity, which millions of people don't.  Suck it up, pray for forbearance, and work hard enough to become indispensable.

/not trolling
//I've worked in worse conditions, for less money
///it eliminated any sense of middle-class entitlement I felt


That's not middle class though.  According to the people running this country during the last several years' campaigns, middle class is anyone making up to $200k or $250k a year (depending on who's talking)... yet the median working household income was $50k... meaning HALF of U.S. households make less than 20% of "middle class"...  at $11.48/hr, that's $23,878.40 a year, which is less than 12.5% of what people call middle class.  Oh, and to make $50k a year, you'd have to earn over $24/hr...

So what if you had a crappier job for less money than the person in the article? Neither of you was close to middle class by today's definition.  The idea that people making 6 figures a year are in the same economic class as those making $10/hr is the sort of asinine state of affairs that beg for revolution, not indifference.
 
2014-03-02 10:50:47 PM  

Emposter: It depends on how long the 35 mile commute is.  I commute 28 miles into DC, but it takes about 90 minutes each way because I have to deal with lights, slow roads, then transfer to the Metro then walk 7 blocks.  The extra 3 hours per day is over and above 40 hours per week, which means I spend the equivalent of 56.25% of my work year commuting (3x5x1.5/40).  My commute is worth more than half my annual pay (not even counting damage to my car, gas, $5 metro parking per day and $12 metro fair per day).  It sucks.

A 35 mile drive could take 35 minutes.  It could also take 120 minutes.  35 minutes each way wouldn't be unreasonable, even at $11.48/hr.
Somewhere at or around 60 minutes it would start to be an issue, IMO.

I'd like to thank the article for leaving out relevant details, as usual with today's journalism.


Well they mentioned the school (Montgomery Early Learning Center) and where she was supposed to transfer to (Narberth).  A little bit of Googling suggests, based on other schools around 35 miles away, that the drive would take around 43 minutes, which obviously doesn't account for rush hour.  It looks like a suburb of Philly, I know nothing about the area but will say that the interstate system north west of Narberth (which is where the other schools all seem to be) is a giant charlie foxtrot that probably isn't fun during rush hour.
 
2014-03-02 10:51:22 PM  
At bank where I used to work, transferring troublesome employees was favored as a way to get them to quit if they were minority, female or some other group likely to sue (even though we were a "right-to-work" state). They could have almost a 100-mile round trip commute. To my knowledge, none of them ever lasted more than three days at the new location. Most quickly took jobs at other banks where the commute was shorter.
 
2014-03-02 11:03:36 PM  
Used to drive about 50 miles to my old job after they transferred me. Granted I was earning a lot more than $12 an hour but with traffic it's a pretty brutal commute.
 
2014-03-02 11:22:10 PM  
Emposter: A 35 mile drive could take 35 minutes.  It could also take 120 minutes.  35 minutes each way wouldn't be unreasonable, even at $11.48/hr.
Somewhere at or around 60 minutes it would start to be an issue, IMO.

I'd like to thank the article for leaving out relevant details, as usual with today's journalism.



The paper's primary readership knows very well what the commute would be like from Pottstown to Narberth. Aside from the mileage, which a lot of people may not know off the top of their head, the commuting details would be largely a waste of column space.
 
2014-03-02 11:28:44 PM  

MemeSlave: You can collect if you leave your job, you just have to wait a little longer before you start.


My understanding is that if you quit for "good cause/reason," you are able to collect.  However what constitutes good cause/reason depends on state law.  You would also probably have to have a good lawyer.
 
2014-03-02 11:32:02 PM  
At one point when I first moved to New Hampshire I had a 90something mile commute (Strafford, NH to Lebanon, NH) one way.  The ex-gf had picked out the apartment while I applied for jobs, and I ended up hired at the other end of the state.  Did that commute for five months, in addition to all the chores around the house (cooking, cleaning, dishes, laundry).  Turns out that she really didn't want to move out of that apartment, and didn't care that I was driving all over hell & creation for my commute.

/suspect that chick was trying to kill me
 
2014-03-02 11:35:21 PM  
Of course, everyone here is missing that she could have gotten her unemployment insurance except she failed to demonstrate that the 70 mile round trip commute was unduly burdensome. According to the judge, she never even tried to make a showing: She never made the commute even once, never looked into carpooling or public transportation, never asked for flextime (though it was, apparently offered). She did NOTHING except quit and then whine it was "just too far." Or, excuse me, would have put too much "wear and tear" on her car.

Now what that tells me is that the judge, at least, was prepared to be sympathetic about it, but she didn't do her due diligence. You have to bring something to the table, at least show the judge you attempted to drive the 35 miles, show that it would eat up your paycheck, you had no coworkers to share the drive, etc. But she didn't. So no unemployment checks for her. And no tears from me. I've seen people take the bus two hours both directions when they REALLY WANTED a job (including myself), so obviously she didn't want or need this job.
 
2014-03-02 11:42:31 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Of course, everyone here is missing that she could have gotten her unemployment insurance except she failed to demonstrate that the 70 mile round trip commute was unduly burdensome. According to the judge, she never even tried to make a showing: She never made the commute even once, never looked into carpooling or public transportation, never asked for flextime (though it was, apparently offered). She did NOTHING except quit and then whine it was "just too far." Or, excuse me, would have put too much "wear and tear" on her car.


For a shiatty 11 dollar an hour job you're going to take the side of the judge?
 
2014-03-02 11:43:23 PM  

Semantic Warrior: Captain Dan: Nobody is entitled to a job, much less a good job.  She should be grateful to even have a job opportunity, which millions of people don't.  Suck it up, pray for forbearance, and work hard enough to become indispensable.

/not trolling
//I've worked in worse conditions, for less money
///it eliminated any sense of middle-class entitlement I felt

That's not middle class though.  According to the people running this country during the last several years' campaigns, middle class is anyone making up to $200k or $250k a year (depending on who's talking)... yet the median working household income was $50k... meaning HALF of U.S. households make less than 20% of "middle class"...  at $11.48/hr, that's $23,878.40 a year, which is less than 12.5% of what people call middle class.  Oh, and to make $50k a year, you'd have to earn over $24/hr...

So what if you had a crappier job for less money than the person in the article? Neither of you was close to middle class by today's definition.  The idea that people making 6 figures a year are in the same economic class as those making $10/hr is the sort of asinine state of affairs that beg for revolution, not indifference.


Well when you have a President that has only expanded minimum wage jobs (~750K) what do you expect.
 
2014-03-02 11:44:09 PM  

Gyrfalcon: According to the judge, she never even tried to make a showing


Don't know how applicable it is here, but my understanding (and general experience) is that these offices try really hard to discourage people from actually showing up - automatic rejection and the need to appeal -which requires time, money, and maybe someone with knowledge to help you along the way, counselors who repeatedly tell you that you'll lose, even if you have a good case - to ruin your confidence and desire, notices that are put in the mail too close to the hearing date so that you may not be able to arrange childcare, transportation, etc, can't get anyone on the phone or by email, and there are more hassles.

Of course if it is important enough, you'll find a way, in theory.
 
2014-03-02 11:44:19 PM  

umad: I am sure you are correct that the traffic in podunk Pennsylvania is identical to downtown San Francisco. That is why it literally takes years to drive from coast to coast in this country.


Right, the average speed on the roads in podunk PA is 60 mph.
 
2014-03-03 12:10:34 AM  
I had a coworker pull the quitting her job and tried to collect unemployment, with less success.

Does remind me of when I decided to move to MI.  I was working at Little Caesar's when I smelled the shop closing in the air.  I even said something to the owner about the impending closure, which he denied.  So I quit and moved to MI, because I knew the owner didn't layoff anyone.  He just transferred his people to the nearest branch he owned, which was a one hour drive away, and we were only getting paid minimum wage.  Back in the day when minimum wage was below $5.  I could not have called it closer, the shop closed the week after I left.
 
2014-03-03 12:12:23 AM  

Saluki222: Is the dumbass the woman?  Looks like the judge made a simple decision based on current law and existing precedent.


I'm assuming she was going for a finding of "constructive dismissal".

I don't know what the rules are for constructive dismissal where she is, but NZ if she could show the employer did something to deliberately encourage or coerce her to quit, or weren't fair or reasonable, she would win.

Since the article gives no reason for the transfer, we can't judge whether they were being dicks or not.  Would she otherwise have been made redundant because there was no job left in her current place of work, or were they just transferring her for the sake of transferring her?
 
2014-03-03 12:46:38 AM  

tripleseven: A boss actually said to me "I will not lay you off, I will make you quit. There's no way I am paying unemployment for you"  And yes, he then proceeded to try everything to make me quit.  And I eventually did.  Although, three days later he called me and begged me to consult for him.

Yes, the American system is broken.


You state must suck.

In my state you're covered for being laid off or fired.  I would have just stopped showing up.

/currently commuting 90 miles round trip
//Get paid more than that, and can WFH 3 days a week
 
2014-03-03 12:56:39 AM  

whidbey: Gyrfalcon: Of course, everyone here is missing that she could have gotten her unemployment insurance except she failed to demonstrate that the 70 mile round trip commute was unduly burdensome. According to the judge, she never even tried to make a showing: She never made the commute even once, never looked into carpooling or public transportation, never asked for flextime (though it was, apparently offered). She did NOTHING except quit and then whine it was "just too far." Or, excuse me, would have put too much "wear and tear" on her car.

For a shiatty 11 dollar an hour job you're going to take the side of the judge?


I'm going to take the side that all she needed to have done was bring in some receipts that showed how much gas and oil she was going to be using, a couple affadavits from coworkers that they couldn't carpool, a copy of the Metro bus schedule showing how there was no service in her area. Boom, done. She did her due diligence, now either she gets her unemployment or else has a great case on appeal.

Why is doing the minimum effort so very hard for some people? If she wanted her unemployment, that is. If the idea here was to make a case for how mean her boss was, then why was she even applying for unemployment, instead of making a case for improper job transfer? And if she really wanted the job, why didn't she find some way to get there?

She didn't even try. So yeah, I'm taking the judge's side. What do you want him to do? Say "Yes, you're right, I'll just take your word that a crappy $11/hr job is worth not showing up?" Not in this economy.
 
2014-03-03 12:56:44 AM  

Captain Dan: Nobody is entitled to a job, much less a good job.  She should be grateful to even have a job opportunity, which millions of people don't.  Suck it up, pray for forbearance, and work hard enough to become indispensable.

/not trolling
//I've worked in worse conditions, for less money
///it eliminated any sense of middle-class entitlement I felt


Yeah, because poor and middle class entitlement is what's really destroying this country. The plutocrat's entitlement is great.
 
2014-03-03 01:11:11 AM  
When I was 17, I was dating a 20 year old who was working as a part time nursing sub for the school district.

We were still friendly when we broke up and she had just decided to quit her job for the summer so she could take community college classes and party.

She failed her classes because of the partying and was shocked when she was denied unemployment for quitting her job.

I often don't wonder what didn't happen to her.
 
2014-03-03 01:18:14 AM  

Gyrfalcon: whidbey: Gyrfalcon: Of course, everyone here is missing that she could have gotten her unemployment insurance except she failed to demonstrate that the 70 mile round trip commute was unduly burdensome. According to the judge, she never even tried to make a showing: She never made the commute even once, never looked into carpooling or public transportation, never asked for flextime (though it was, apparently offered). She did NOTHING except quit and then whine it was "just too far." Or, excuse me, would have put too much "wear and tear" on her car.

For a shiatty 11 dollar an hour job you're going to take the side of the judge?

I'm going to take the side that all she needed to have done was bring in some receipts that showed how much gas and oil she was going to be using, a couple affadavits from coworkers that they couldn't carpool, a copy of the Metro bus schedule showing how there was no service in her area. Boom, done. She did her due diligence, now either she gets her unemployment or else has a great case on appeal.

Why is doing the minimum effort so very hard for some people? If she wanted her unemployment, that is. If the idea here was to make a case for how mean her boss was, then why was she even applying for unemployment, instead of making a case for improper job transfer? And if she really wanted the job, why didn't she find some way to get there?

She didn't even try. So yeah, I'm taking the judge's side. What do you want him to do? Say "Yes, you're right, I'll just take your word that a crappy $11/hr job is worth not showing up?" Not in this economy.


Well, whatever. It just shocks me occasionally to see someone who is usually sympathetic side with the more conservative position. You really don't have to, you know.
 
2014-03-03 01:23:03 AM  
Wow, thread if full of, "That sucks but I've put up with worse so fark her" comments. If you've put up with worse, you're an idiot. Chances are I'm paying for some form of government aid for you because you're accepting a shiat job. We, (by that I mean me, and other people who make slightly, but not significantly  more than you) pay billions in taxes for public aid because the companies you work for, which make huge profits, don't pay a livable wage to you.

Corporate welfare raises everyone's cost of living except for the poor who get public aide. I pay a bigger percentage of my earnings in taxes than Mitt Romney does. The fact that rural poor people tend to vote republican and further fark both themselves and me pisses me off to no end. Wake up you farking idiots, we can't have nicer things because you keep voting against us having nicer things.
 
2014-03-03 02:23:31 AM  

squirrelflavoredyogurt: If you've put up with worse, you're an idiot. Chances are I'm paying for some form of government aid for you because you're accepting a shiat job


This. I swear labor rights have gone into a total coma these days.
 
2014-03-03 02:51:36 AM  

Cyclometh: So, let's consider this in other terms.

At $11.48 an hour, that is about $98 a day gross. Say you knock 20% off for taxes, Social Security, all that stuff. That leaves about $74

If she drives a car that gets the US average of 20 miles per gallon, that's about 3.5 gallons a day for a 70-mile round trip commute. So at the average price of gas in Pottstown, PA, that's $12.50 a day in gasoline.

So a 35-mile commute takes her take-home pay from $74 to $61.

In conclusion, her commute costs would amount to about 20% of her pay.


Anyone who owns a car that gets 20 mpg except in the worst possible commuting traffic is an idiot who deserves what they get. There are plenty of reasonable options that will get you closer to or over 30. Nobody needs a huge, gas-sucking vehicle so just please stop it.
 
2014-03-03 03:14:12 AM  

squirrelflavoredyogurt: Wow, thread if full of, "That sucks but I've put up with worse so fark her" comments. If you've put up with worse, you're an idiot. Chances are I'm paying for some form of government aid for you because you're accepting a shiat job. We, (by that I mean me, and other people who make slightly, but not significantly  more than you) pay billions in taxes for public aid because the companies you work for, which make huge profits, don't pay a livable wage to you.

Corporate welfare raises everyone's cost of living except for the poor who get public aide. I pay a bigger percentage of my earnings in taxes than Mitt Romney does. The fact that rural poor people tend to vote republican and further fark both themselves and me pisses me off to no end. Wake up you farking idiots, we can't have nicer things because you keep voting against us having nicer things.


It's really very sad, but what exactly did you want? The judge told her what she needed to do to get her unemployment: Show that a 35-mile commute was unconscionable. Show that it was too much of a hardship for her to keep her job. NOT "yes it sucks so give me my money."

Court--and this is a court, just a court of equity, not law--doesn't take "It's too haaaarrd" as proof. It takes, well, proof. And proof is not hard to obtain. Here are the gas receipts. Here is the bus schedule. Here are affadavits from my coworkers showing that they cannot carpool with me. If it's too impossible to commute, then yes, you can quit and still get unemployment insurance, you just have to show that it's too impossible to commute (or, you know, that there is some other difficulty that makes it impossible for you to work there). But  you have to SHOW it.

Now the people here saying "Suck it up or get a better job", well, that's not really an answer either. But some people have shown exactly what she needed to do to prove her case: Here is my gas mileage, here is the cost of gas, here is the ratio of my gas expense to my take-home pay. Here is the bus schedule that shows I'd have a five-hour additional commute to use public transport. Here are letters from my presumed colleagues who cannot carpool. See how that works in court?

Insofar as her boss transferring her, well, I can't speak to that. But the judge can't and won't just say "Yes, it's clearly unfair that you have to commute 35 miles to and from work," without some kind of evidence that it is unfair. People seem to dislike that, but that's how courts work. Whining that something is "unfair" or "too hard" is for middle-schoolers. And not even them.
 
2014-03-03 03:24:40 AM  
Let's all argue over which working fool is entitled to the barest scraps of currency between shiatty jobs while the billionaires kick back and watch the money roll in.
 
2014-03-03 03:42:02 AM  

UseLessHuman: Let's all argue over which working fool is entitled to the barest scraps of currency between shiatty jobs while the billionaires kick back and watch the money roll in.


I hear ya. I'm having a 4th yacht delivered. I always have a Sucks to Be You Party to christen the maiden voyage.
 
2014-03-03 05:00:26 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: TsarTom: Bill Bryson once postulated it would take 14 hours for a stone-age adult (14-30 y/o) male to hunt up enough meat to feed his whole family... for A WEEK.
Taken together with the other young hunters, and divvied up amongst the community, 1 solid kill would garner enough leftovers to feed the widows/orphans/elderly/infirm.
The rest of the time (after building your hut or igloo or tree-fort) would be spent farking under the moonlight...

I'm not an idiot. I don't advocate "going off the grid"

All I'm saying is this:

Somewhere, Someone you've never met is gobbling up your extra 26 hours of labor per week. And though you work hard for a living, HE never really has had to.
YOUR piss smells of cheap vodka and 'chiken-flavored' ramen noodles, while HIS soft, fleshy hands smell of almas caviar, fine champagne, and perfumed toilet paper.

We're all a bunch of suckers.

Long story short, you are a farking dipshiat


Hey? What's this? Who the farking fark are you? Did I ask you anything, asshole?

fark you, you farking clown.

farkin' assholes...
 
2014-03-03 05:25:10 AM  

whidbey: Kensey: whidbey: toadist: This woman should be embarrassed for even applying for unemployment.

Get it together and find another job,  don't go on the public dole.

So let's just give employers even more power than they have right now, k?

It's always the worker's fault.


Not always, but sometimes, and this looks to me like one of those times.

As for me, I used to do about what she's complaining about for what was, adjusted for inflation, about the same money.  It was an entry-level position and I grew out of it eventually, moved back into town and got a better job.

I'm not seeing how forcing someone to use resources to drive or waste time on the bus for a shiatty job is worth it. Sorry. The car is worth more.


A 45-minute commute is well within the range that most Americans who live in that kind of area (semi-rural shading toward urban) have.  She'd have been in a much better situation if she'd tried their offered accommodations and documented why they weren't sufficient, which is the main thrust of the court's argument -- she literally did not even try the new arrangement.  But even then, if she's the horse-farm broker some have stated, it's unlikely she'd actually get unemployment because after deducting her other income from her benefits, the balance left would be zero most weeks unless she's a truly shiatty agent.  UI is not about protecting income streams, it's about keeping you off the street.
 
2014-03-03 07:14:57 AM  
Deal with it lady. I have gone through commutes around that much for less in my lifetime. Thankfully with public tranist around Harrisburg I reduced my trip from 32 miles one way to 15-16 miles one way. She could just move closer to her work, but I guess that is too inconvenient for her.
 
2014-03-03 07:29:38 AM  

Kensey: A 45-minute commute is well within the range that most Americans who live in that kind of area (semi-rural shading toward urban) have.  She'd have been in a much better situation if she'd tried their offered accommodations and documented why they weren't sufficient, which is the main thrust of the court's argument -- she literally did not even try the new arrangement.


She shouldn't have had to. She worked her job 5 years and deserved better.

Another vote for the corporate merry go round whipping machine.

Bring it on. Have you people no shame? Keep fellating the money god, and blaming the victims.
 
2014-03-03 07:31:49 AM  

kdawg7736: She could just move closer to her work, but I guess that is too inconvenient for her.


Yeah it's pretty inconvenient to ask the company to move the place she got transferred to closer to where she lives.

Did you even read tfa?
 
2014-03-03 07:52:52 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: umad: I am sure you are correct that the traffic in podunk Pennsylvania is identical to downtown San Francisco. That is why it literally takes years to drive from coast to coast in this country.

Right, the average speed on the roads in podunk PA is 60 mph.


And that's just the 45 mph roads. The 60-65 mph roads, the average speeds are ~90!
 
2014-03-03 08:17:21 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: tripleseven: A boss actually said to me "I will not lay you off, I will make you quit. There's no way I am paying unemployment for you"  And yes, he then proceeded to try everything to make me quit.  And I eventually did.  Although, three days later he called me and begged me to consult for him.

Yes, the American system is broken.

One of those times you just wish you had a tape recorder handy.


A friend's former boss used to brag that he'd never paid out on an unemployment claim.

/why, yes, I heard he was quite an asshole and really hard to work with
 
2014-03-03 08:19:38 AM  
Is $11.50/hour normal in the U.S for a teacher's pay? Around here they start at around the $45k/year mark and I can't see paying to go to university if I'm going to be making the same amount of money as the guy that dropped out in the 11th grade to work at Burger King.
 
2014-03-03 08:21:23 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: In before the idiots flood this thread to suggest that she should have moved closer to work.


Yeah. What an absurd notion. Live closer to where you can find work.
 
2014-03-03 08:25:14 AM  

squirrelflavoredyogurt: Wow, thread if full of, "That sucks but I've put up with worse so fark her" comments. If you've put up with worse, you're an idiot. Chances are I'm paying for some form of government aid for you because you're accepting a shiat job. We, (by that I mean me, and other people who make slightly, but not significantly  more than you) pay billions in taxes for public aid because the companies you work for, which make huge profits, don't pay a livable wage to you.

Corporate welfare raises everyone's cost of living except for the poor who get public aide. I pay a bigger percentage of my earnings in taxes than Mitt Romney does. The fact that rural poor people tend to vote republican and further fark both themselves and me pisses me off to no end. Wake up you farking idiots, we can't have nicer things because you keep voting against us having nicer things.


This.

Metro Atlanta is like that; everyone has to have a goddamned car because suburban white people continually vote down public transportation initiatives. MARTA (the locals know the racist variation of the acronym) has had this stigma attached to it as only being for poor and/or minorities in the inner-city.

We have some of longest commuting distances because everything is so spread out.

Like someone else up-thread, I was offered a job in Alpharetta (and I live in Kennesaw) that would simply being a losing proposition after all the gas costs and wear on an already high-mileage car.
 
2014-03-03 08:25:41 AM  
There couldn't be a worse commute in this area for her.  That 35 mile drive on 422 to 76 here in Philadelphia is a sonofabiatch.
 
2014-03-03 08:27:41 AM  
BTW... If she were to take public transportation as suggested, the commute would be at least 2 1/2 hours each way.
 
2014-03-03 08:29:15 AM  

BunkyBrewman: There couldn't be a worse commute in this area for her.  That 35 mile drive on 422 to 76 here in Philadelphia is a sonofabiatch.


I hear stories of 2 hour commutes have to wonder what kind of work is worth 4 hours of your day.

1 hour is my cut-off point which translates to about 25 - 30 miles here in Atlanta.
 
2014-03-03 08:38:48 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Silentbob768768: 68 Miles each way in an old jeep with +200K miles. my worlds tiniest fiddle...let me play ut for you

How long does your commute take each way? I'd love to calculate how much of the only life you're ever going to have that you're spending sitting in traffic.


I just recently moved closer after driving 70 miles one way to work for the last 8 years. My average daily driving time total came to about 3hrs, little less in summer, little more in winter. For some reason I would relate it to the amount of time one would need to watch Schindler's List. Every day. For five days a week. For eight years...
/3hrsX5daysX52weeksX8years=6240hrs spent driving
//technically the movie is 195 min (3hrs 15 min)
///"watched" it 1,920 times?
//math is hard...
 
2014-03-03 08:49:14 AM  

whidbey: squirrelflavoredyogurt: If you've put up with worse, you're an idiot. Chances are I'm paying for some form of government aid for you because you're accepting a shiat job


You don't know what in the hell you are talking about.  I put up with a bit worse of a commute; 46 miles, but am not taking any government aid.  My salary is almost 5x the woman in the story.  That said, if I had to commute 46 miles to work for only $11 and change per hour I would.  I am not a slug. I would rather work and contribute to the world than sit at home vegetating and collecting pity money that I didn't earn.
 
2014-03-03 08:52:30 AM  

Jument: Anyone who owns a car that gets 20 mpg except in the worst possible commuting traffic is an idiot who deserves what they get. There are plenty of reasonable options that will get you closer to or over 30. Nobody needs a huge, gas-sucking vehicle so just please stop it.


The average fuel economy for new cars in 2013 is 24.9 MPG. It's not unreasonable to assume that someone has a slightly older or larger car, and may not have the option to buy a brand new one for a commute to a job that's pays $11.48 per hour. The cheapest new car I could find that gets 30+ MPG is over $26,000 MSRP for the most basic model.

But let's pretend you're right and she can just drop 30 large on a car that gets 30 MPG. That's about 2.3 gallons per commute. Since any newer high-mileage car uses premium/92 octane gas, and the average price in Pottstown, PA is $3.85 per gallon, that's $8.85 a day in gas, which amounts to 12 percent of her daily take-home pay. Factor in maintenance and insurance, and you're at around 15%.

So good for you. You can drop thirty grand on a new car and reduce the pay cut from 20% to 15%. Boy, you sure told me.
 
2014-03-03 09:13:06 AM  
So where are the Union Thugs who make it impossible to fire a teacher?
 
2014-03-03 09:21:29 AM  

MemeSlave: You can collect if you leave your job, you just have to wait a little longer before you start.


Depends on the state.  I worked a job for 13 years, quit to go to another job, got laid off and the company that I worked for for 13 years (which was the one I would be collecting from) fought my unemployment.  I had to prove that I made 10 x the weekly amount (3200) since I left work.  I found another job before I ever even got to contest it.  That was 15 years ago, it's probably worse now.
 
2014-03-03 09:28:07 AM  
I once tried to give my 2-week's notice to my minimum wage employer, as I was leaving for a more-than-minimum wage job.  She got so mad at me for this, that she fired me on the spot, and told me to leave right away.

Little did she know, in Canada, employers ALSO have to give 2-weeks notice when firing employees for non-work-performance related issues.  And if they don't, they have to give 2 weeks pay.  I got 2 weeks free pay because of that stupid spiteful biatch.

Although I did have to file a claim to the government... and then have them call and harass my employer until they finally mailed me the cheque.
 
2014-03-03 09:30:59 AM  
Cyclometh:Since any newer high-mileage car uses premium/92 octane gas

Since when?  I've never seen anyone that wasn't stupid or didn't own a ferarri that used premium gasoline, and I haven't heard an engine knock in 20 years.
 
2014-03-03 09:36:38 AM  

moeburn: Cyclometh:Since any newer high-mileage car uses premium/92 octane gas

Since when?  I've never seen anyone that wasn't stupid or didn't own a ferarri that used premium gasoline, and I haven't heard an engine knock in 20 years.


I haven't seen a car designed for high mileage that used regular gas made in the last few years. They probably exist but modern engine technology relies on ever finer timing and tolerances.

But even with the piece of regular my original point stands. It's a huge pay cut no matter how you slice it.
 
2014-03-03 10:03:10 AM  

Dwindle: You have to be kidding me. No one in PA drives less that 35 miles to work, and they do it for way less money and far fewer days than this person. She wants to be paid $45k a year for a part time job and not drive for it? Hire a limo.


I guess this might be a troll attempt but I'm not sure, because it's clunky if so.

In the off chance it is not, how do you get $45k/year from her wages? Even if it was $15 an hour for simple math.
 
2014-03-03 10:04:38 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I recently got a job with a base salary that comes out to $12/hr, though I was supposed to be able to make an additional $1-2k per month extra if certain sales goals were hit. A month after I started they "adjusted" (aka increased) the sales goals which basically made it all but impossible to hit their numbers. Yeah, I'm actively trying to fired so they can pay my unemployment while I find a new job.


Top tip: You are actually able to look for your next job while working.

Do it on the clock if you hate your job so much.
 
2014-03-03 10:45:32 AM  

moeburn: Since when?  I've never seen anyone that wasn't stupid or didn't own a ferarri that used premium gasoline, and I haven't heard an engine knock in 20 years.


Turbocharged cars use premium. They have to in order to avoid pre-detonation from the higher compression ratios. Seeing how newer cars are going toward smaller displacement turbo engines to replace low powered, less fuel efficient, higher displacement engines the need for premium is going to rise. Cars using engines like the 1.3Ts coming out are going to becomes more and more common and popular. Hell, the new Mustang is going to have a turbo 4 as the mid range engine option. Last I read, anyway.

And as far as fuel efficiency goes, if you're not making much money then you wont have a lot to spend on cars. If you only have $2-3k to spend on a car you're not going to have much to choose from if you want to avoid a money pit. Especially if you live where road salt is common place. Go ahead and look at your local Craigslist for that price range, assuming that you know what to look for in a used car, that is. You're going to see most cars that a low income person can afford that are worth buying to get in the high teens to low 20s for fuel efficiency.

Late 90s Japanese small-mid sized are going to be in the 20s. If you want something that's plentiful, cheap and reliable (say if you need a car asap) then Ford's Panther platform is a good bet. Those get about 17 mpg. But that 4.6 modular is a rock solid engine. As for late 90s cars, one should avoid automatic Hondas. The transmissions are starting to fail now in higher than average numbers. That eliminates lots and lots of otherwise reliable cars that are out there in that price range.

As a light hearted aside, my best commute for a job was right about 5 miles. The morning traffic took me about 12-14 minutes on average. This was wonderful, except for one thing. My motorcycle didn't like it. The transmission oil never got up to operating temp just going between the house and job. Subsequently I got a lot of moisture (condensation) in the primary. The oil was a milky white when I went to change it. Other than that it was a great drive/ride. The road to get there was a 2 lane back road (it was a refinery) so there wasn't any public transportation to and from and taking to take a bicycle would have been dangerous. I miss that commute but definitely not the job. I hated that place.
 
2014-03-03 11:17:39 AM  

Ima4nic8or: whidbey: squirrelflavoredyogurt: If you've put up with worse, you're an idiot. Chances are I'm paying for some form of government aid for you because you're accepting a shiat job

You don't know what in the hell you are talking about.  I put up with a bit worse of a commute; 46 miles, but am not taking any government aid.  My salary is almost 5x the woman in the story.  That said, if I had to commute 46 miles to work for only $11 and change per hour I would.  I am not a slug. I would rather work and contribute to the world than sit at home vegetating and collecting pity money that I didn't earn.


You are pretty self righteous though aren't you?

A.) I'm betting you chose the commute and that your employer didn't just one day say, hey we moved your job 46 miles away.

B.) Employees and Employers  pay for unemployment insurance, suggesting that it's a hand out from the government shows me that you are either completely clueless about how it works or willfully ignorant and out to blame others for simply collecting on the insurance they paid into.

C.) I'm not sure what a "slug" is exactly, but if you've ever taken a payout from an auto or home insurance policy, they you are exactly as much of a "slug" as you're suggesting this woman is.

D.) Nothing in the article suggests that this woman wants to sit at home collecting a check for doing nothing, she wants to collect unemployment while she looks for another job. Suggesting that anyone who wants to collect on an insurance policy they paid into somehow makes them a lesser person than you shows me that you are a farking idiot who doesn't deserve any more of my time.
 
2014-03-03 11:31:18 AM  

Gyrfalcon: squirrelflavoredyogurt: Wow, thread if full of, "That sucks but I've put up with worse so fark her" comments. If you've put up with worse, you're an idiot. Chances are I'm paying for some form of government aid for you because you're accepting a shiat job. We, (by that I mean me, and other people who make slightly, but not significantly  more than you) pay billions in taxes for public aid because the companies you work for, which make huge profits, don't pay a livable wage to you.

Corporate welfare raises everyone's cost of living except for the poor who get public aide. I pay a bigger percentage of my earnings in taxes than Mitt Romney does. The fact that rural poor people tend to vote republican and further fark both themselves and me pisses me off to no end. Wake up you farking idiots, we can't have nicer things because you keep voting against us having nicer things.

It's really very sad, but what exactly did you want? The judge told her what she needed to do to get her unemployment: Show that a 35-mile commute was unconscionable. Show that it was too much of a hardship for her to keep her job. NOT "yes it sucks so give me my money."

Court--and this is a court, just a court of equity, not law--doesn't take "It's too haaaarrd" as proof. It takes, well, proof. And proof is not hard to obtain. Here are the gas receipts. Here is the bus schedule. Here are affadavits from my coworkers showing that they cannot carpool with me. If it's too impossible to commute, then yes, you can quit and still get unemployment insurance, you just have to show that it's too impossible to commute (or, you know, that there is some other difficulty that makes it impossible for you to work there). But  you have to SHOW it.

Now the people here saying "Suck it up or get a better job", well, that's not really an answer either. But some people have shown exactly what she needed to do to prove her case: Here is my gas mileage, here is the cost of gas, here is the ratio of my gas expense to m ...


That's all well and good from a monetary sense, but what about her quality of living sense? A 35 mile commute in rush hour traffic may add an hour or more each way to commute. What if she doesn't want to miss 2 more hours a day away from her family?

Unemployment insurance is just that, insurance. Employers and employees both pay into it and it should be available for exactly this type of scenario. The woman did nothing wrong, she wasn't fired, they simply decided to move her job 35 miles away. She should be able to receive payouts from the insurance policy she paid into for a reasonable amount of time to alleviate any hardship while she looks for another job.

For the judge to simply suggest that because she didn't even try it for a day somehow proves it's insurmountable is idiocy. Imagine getting into a car accident and having a judge rule that you can't collect on insurance because you can afford to pay to fix your car yourself, or that you should try taking the bus, or carpooling with coworkers.
 
2014-03-03 12:02:19 PM  

Jument: Anyone who owns a car that gets 20 mpg except in the worst possible commuting traffic is an idiot who deserves what they get. There are plenty of reasonable options that will get you closer to or over 30. Nobody needs a huge, gas-sucking vehicle so just please stop it.


You tell 'em! What are these construction workers thinking driving around those gas guzzling pick-up trucks and cargo vans, hauling lumber and tools back and forth to work, they can easily fit those loads in a more environmentally friendly car.

www.swapmeetdave.com

Or those large families driving around in their SUV's and mini-vans when smaller cars have perfectly good trunk space for the kids to ride in.

im.rediff.com

By God if you can get by driving a small compact car then everyone else can too!
 
2014-03-03 01:28:07 PM  

whidbey: cwolf20


ReapTheChaos: Jument: Anyone who owns a car that gets 20 mpg except in the worst possible commuting traffic is an idiot who deserves what they get. There are plenty of reasonable options that will get you closer to or over 30. Nobody needs a huge, gas-sucking vehicle so just please stop it.

You tell 'em! What are these construction workers thinking driving around those gas guzzling pick-up trucks and cargo vans, hauling lumber and tools back and forth to work, they can easily fit those loads in a more environmentally friendly car.

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Or those large families driving around in their SUV's and mini-vans when smaller cars have perfectly good trunk space for the kids to ride in.

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By God if you can get by driving a small compact car then everyone else can too!


Oh goodness. This means I should have spent twice as much for a smart car which gets the same gas mileage as my Toyota corolla and holds a lot less space.  What was I thinking.

My gosh I could have experienced the joys of blocking 1/3 of my rearview vision with bags I'm taking somewhere (seen at a grocery store last week)
 
2014-03-03 01:45:41 PM  

squirrelflavoredyogurt: Ima4nic8or: whidbey: squirrelflavoredyogurt: If you've put up with worse, you're an idiot. Chances are I'm paying for some form of government aid for you because you're accepting a shiat job

You don't know what in the hell you are talking about.  I put up with a bit worse of a commute; 46 miles, but am not taking any government aid.  My salary is almost 5x the woman in the story.  That said, if I had to commute 46 miles to work for only $11 and change per hour I would.  I am not a slug. I would rather work and contribute to the world than sit at home vegetating and collecting pity money that I didn't earn.

You are pretty self righteous though aren't you?

A.) I'm betting you chose the commute and that your employer didn't just one day say, hey we moved your job 46 miles away.

B.) Employees and Employers  pay for unemployment insurance, suggesting that it's a hand out from the government shows me that you are either completely clueless about how it works or willfully ignorant and out to blame others for simply collecting on the insurance they paid into.

C.) I'm not sure what a "slug" is exactly, but if you've ever taken a payout from an auto or home insurance policy, they you are exactly as much of a "slug" as you're suggesting this woman is.

D.) Nothing in the article suggests that this woman wants to sit at home collecting a check for doing nothing, she wants to collect unemployment while she looks for another job. Suggesting that anyone who wants to collect on an insurance policy they paid into somehow makes them a lesser person than you shows me that you are a farking idiot who doesn't deserve any more of my time.


I'm going to post this one more time.... employees do not directly pay into UI via payroll deduction.
 
2014-03-03 02:01:02 PM  
ferretman:

Well when you have a President that has only expanded minimum wage jobs (~750K) what do you expect.

 That a democratic free-market capitalist society doesn't put the onus of jobs on a single person?
 
2014-03-03 02:17:31 PM  

StopLurkListen: Workers NEVER get a refund.


Stoker: I never saw any refund for employees who were denied unemployment.


Employees do not pay into unemployment, which is probably why you never see refunds.
 
2014-03-03 03:19:54 PM  

ChaosStar: StopLurkListen: Workers NEVER get a refund.

Stoker: I never saw any refund for employees who were denied unemployment.

Employees do not pay into unemployment, which is probably why you never see refunds.


Wrong! Employees and employers both pay into unemployment, you'll see yours deducted from your W-2 (I see mine right there to report for my New Jersey tax returns) and your paychecks.
 
2014-03-03 03:40:02 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: ChaosStar: StopLurkListen: Workers NEVER get a refund.

Stoker: I never saw any refund for employees who were denied unemployment.

Employees do not pay into unemployment, which is probably why you never see refunds.

Wrong! Employees and employers both pay into unemployment, you'll see yours deducted from your W-2 (I see mine right there to report for my New Jersey tax returns) and your paychecks.


Maybe in some states, but by no means all.  And that would be a a state fee, not federally-funded UI.
 
2014-03-03 03:45:20 PM  

Kensey: DarkSoulNoHope: ChaosStar: StopLurkListen: Workers NEVER get a refund.

Stoker: I never saw any refund for employees who were denied unemployment.

Employees do not pay into unemployment, which is probably why you never see refunds.

Wrong! Employees and employers both pay into unemployment, you'll see yours deducted from your W-2 (I see mine right there to report for my New Jersey tax returns) and your paychecks.

Maybe in some states, but by no means all.  And that would be a a state fee, not federally-funded UI.


Still paid by our taxes, doesn't mean the money from unemployment magically appears.
 
2014-03-03 04:14:12 PM  

whidbey: Kensey: A 45-minute commute is well within the range that most Americans who live in that kind of area (semi-rural shading toward urban) have.  She'd have been in a much better situation if she'd tried their offered accommodations and documented why they weren't sufficient, which is the main thrust of the court's argument -- she literally did not even try the new arrangement.

She shouldn't have had to. She worked her job 5 years and deserved better.


Why?  This is not something where the court's decision was arbitrary.  The parameters are well spelled-out by previous rulings -- 60 miles each way, let alone 35, is not a "compelling" reason to quit a job under PA law, nor can an applicant claiming a transportation difficulty prevail without at least attempting to overcome it.

Seriously, go check out the actual ruling.  The precedents on which it rests go back 30-odd years and deal specifically with commuting distances and difficulties.

In general, the default case is if you quit your job, you aren't getting unemployment.  If you're going to claim something like constructive dismissal or an untenably difficult commute, you better be damn sure there's a case there.  It may be worth noting that as a pro se litigant, she would have been well-advised to at least search Google Scholar; she would have found a wealth of case law telling her in pretty definite terms that she would lose.
 
2014-03-03 04:20:15 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: ChaosStar: StopLurkListen: Workers NEVER get a refund.

Stoker: I never saw any refund for employees who were denied unemployment.

Employees do not pay into unemployment, which is probably why you never see refunds.

Wrong! Employees and employers both pay into unemployment, you'll see yours deducted from your W-2 (I see mine right there to report for my New Jersey tax returns) and your paychecks.


OK, in 3 states. Alaska, New Jersey and Pennsylvania, an employee is also required to pay state unemployment tax.
 
2014-03-03 04:41:44 PM  

Kensey: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Jim_Callahan: A transfer with a half-hour commute definitely falls under a reasonable attempt at accommodation by the employer as an alternative to just canning her.  I'd say it's plenty to void unemployment insurance, at least the UI the employer's funding.

In what universe is 35 miles a 30 minute commute? San Francisco is 7 miles across but it takes 45 minutes to get from the Sunset to the Embarcadero at 7:00 am.

Yeah, but this is rural-ish PA, not urban SF.  She probably would spend most of that commute at highway speed on US-422.

TsarTom: Bill Bryson once postulated it would take 14 hours for a stone-age adult (14-30 y/o) male to hunt up enough meat to feed his whole family... for A WEEK.
Taken together with the other young hunters, and divvied up amongst the community, 1 solid kill would garner enough leftovers to feed the widows/orphans/elderly/infirm.
The rest of the time (after building your hut or igloo or tree-fort) would be spent farking under the moonlight...

14 hours per week per person, yeah, that's about right for the Stone Age.  And if we all quit working more than 14 hours a week, that's what we'd go back to in a generation or two.  It takes work to keep civilization running.   You need a certain minimum population just to do enough work to maintain civilization, and as civilization gets more complex and interconnected that minimum population rises.


I would love to see where you get your sources for that assertion. Because the way things are going, we need less population to support more. Just look at how the population of farmers has shrunk over the years. Manufacturing. We're getting really good at making machines that do the work of lots of people, so we need fewer (but talented) people to keep everything running.
 
2014-03-03 04:53:52 PM  

ferretman: Semantic Warrior: Captain Dan: Nobody is entitled to a job, much less a good job.  She should be grateful to even have a job opportunity, which millions of people don't.  Suck it up, pray for forbearance, and work hard enough to become indispensable.

/not trolling
//I've worked in worse conditions, for less money
///it eliminated any sense of middle-class entitlement I felt

That's not middle class though.  According to the people running this country during the last several years' campaigns, middle class is anyone making up to $200k or $250k a year (depending on who's talking)... yet the median working household income was $50k... meaning HALF of U.S. households make less than 20% of "middle class"...  at $11.48/hr, that's $23,878.40 a year, which is less than 12.5% of what people call middle class.  Oh, and to make $50k a year, you'd have to earn over $24/hr...

So what if you had a crappier job for less money than the person in the article? Neither of you was close to middle class by today's definition.  The idea that people making 6 figures a year are in the same economic class as those making $10/hr is the sort of asinine state of affairs that beg for revolution, not indifference.

Well when you have a President that has only expanded minimum wage jobs (~750K) what do you expect.


You think President is some kind of dictator? He only has a limited amount of power, and the legislators have been farking around with jobs for a long time. There have been no meaningful reforms, and the Reaganomics policies are coming to fruition, ie, the wealth is all at the top, the social contract is shattered, and the bought and paid for congress is so dysfunctional that the only thing that they can agree on is to pass laws to lower taxes, telling the poor Republicans that this time, with these tax cuts for the rich, there will finally be jobs. Unlike the last 100 times they've tried it.
 
2014-03-03 05:03:06 PM  

Pitabred: Kensey: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Jim_Callahan: A transfer with a half-hour commute definitely falls under a reasonable attempt at accommodation by the employer as an alternative to just canning her.  I'd say it's plenty to void unemployment insurance, at least the UI the employer's funding.

In what universe is 35 miles a 30 minute commute? San Francisco is 7 miles across but it takes 45 minutes to get from the Sunset to the Embarcadero at 7:00 am.

Yeah, but this is rural-ish PA, not urban SF.  She probably would spend most of that commute at highway speed on US-422.

TsarTom: Bill Bryson once postulated it would take 14 hours for a stone-age adult (14-30 y/o) male to hunt up enough meat to feed his whole family... for A WEEK.
Taken together with the other young hunters, and divvied up amongst the community, 1 solid kill would garner enough leftovers to feed the widows/orphans/elderly/infirm.
The rest of the time (after building your hut or igloo or tree-fort) would be spent farking under the moonlight...

14 hours per week per person, yeah, that's about right for the Stone Age.  And if we all quit working more than 14 hours a week, that's what we'd go back to in a generation or two.  It takes work to keep civilization running.   You need a certain minimum population just to do enough work to maintain civilization, and as civilization gets more complex and interconnected that minimum population rises.

I would love to see where you get your sources for that assertion. Because the way things are going, we need less population to support more. Just look at how the population of farmers has shrunk over the years. Manufacturing. We're getting really good at making machines that do the work of lots of people, so we need fewer (but talented) people to keep everything running.


Somebody has to make the machines though, and something has to power them, and somebody has to keep them running.  Hypothetical Star Trek post-scarcity futures aside, let's take a tractor: it puts a bunch of farm laborers out of work, but it depends on an entire infrastructure of fuel supply, materials supply, manufacturing, distribution, mantenance... A farmer on his own these days is crippled without the products of the wider society as inputs to the things he uses, and that implies a bunch of people working to bring them into existence.

Yeah, you can have, say, robots do a lot of the machine-building, and nuclear power plants that nearly run themselves, but neither of those is completely self-sustaining yet, and there's more than just making the end product involved in both.
 
2014-03-03 05:08:42 PM  

Ima4nic8or:   That said, if I had to commute 46 miles to work for only $11 and change per hour I would.  I am not a slug. I would rather work and contribute to the world than sit at home vegetating and collecting pity money that I didn't earn.


Spoken like a good German.
 
2014-03-03 05:09:09 PM  

whatshisname: $11.48 an hour seems like awfully low pay for a teacher.


FTFA: "According to court filings, Keim worked for the Montgomery Early Learning Center for nearly five years as a full-time assistant teacher"

Assistant teacher != teacher.  Montgomery Early Learning Center != public school.  She is basically a babysitter at a preschool.  What do babysitters usually get paid?
 
2014-03-03 05:10:06 PM  

Kensey: It may be worth noting that as a pro se litigant, she would have been well-advised to at least search Google Scholar; she would have found a wealth of case law telling her in pretty definite terms that she would lose.


Maybe she already knew she was going to lose, so what?

This thread is so "blame the victim" it's almost amusing the lengths people will justify what's basically tyranny.
 
2014-03-03 05:41:48 PM  

whidbey: Kensey: It may be worth noting that as a pro se litigant, she would have been well-advised to at least search Google Scholar; she would have found a wealth of case law telling her in pretty definite terms that she would lose.

Maybe she already knew she was going to lose, so what?

This thread is so "blame the victim" it's almost amusing the lengths people will justify what's basically tyranny.


So if she knew she didn't have a case, don't waste everybody's time and taxpayer dollars just to make some quixotic stand against what you appear to think is tyranny, but in reality is called "dealing with a layoff/job move" by the rest of us.  And let's not forget the strong possibility I noted before, that even if she had prevailed, she still would have been paid little or nothing after accounting for her other income.

Unemployment compensation is not a right.  It is intended to temporarily remedy a specific situation: involuntary job separation not for cause, and priced accordingly.  If you want no-fault UI, get the law changed, don't carp about the existing law not providing a benefit it's explicitly not intended to.
 
2014-03-03 08:38:52 PM  
I been offered jobs with 50 mile commutes and 30-40% pay rises and turned them down. I get offers for employment that are 5-10 minutes away that give me more than enough money to live comfortably on, fun work and I avoid sitting in a car for 4 hours a day. Frankly my time is too valuable to waste that way and I rather spend it with my family and having a worthwhile life.

I never have gotten American's willingness to do that since I've moved here.
 
2014-03-03 10:32:00 PM  

majestic: squirrelflavoredyogurt: Ima4nic8or: whidbey: squirrelflavoredyogurt: If you've put up with worse, you're an idiot. Chances are I'm paying for some form of government aid for you because you're accepting a shiat job

You don't know what in the hell you are talking about.  I put up with a bit worse of a commute; 46 miles, but am not taking any government aid.  My salary is almost 5x the woman in the story.  That said, if I had to commute 46 miles to work for only $11 and change per hour I would.  I am not a slug. I would rather work and contribute to the world than sit at home vegetating and collecting pity money that I didn't earn.

You are pretty self righteous though aren't you?

A.) I'm betting you chose the commute and that your employer didn't just one day say, hey we moved your job 46 miles away.

B.) Employees and Employers  pay for unemployment insurance, suggesting that it's a hand out from the government shows me that you are either completely clueless about how it works or willfully ignorant and out to blame others for simply collecting on the insurance they paid into.

C.) I'm not sure what a "slug" is exactly, but if you've ever taken a payout from an auto or home insurance policy, they you are exactly as much of a "slug" as you're suggesting this woman is.

D.) Nothing in the article suggests that this woman wants to sit at home collecting a check for doing nothing, she wants to collect unemployment while she looks for another job. Suggesting that anyone who wants to collect on an insurance policy they paid into somehow makes them a lesser person than you shows me that you are a farking idiot who doesn't deserve any more of my time.

I'm going to post this one more time.... employees do not directly pay into UI via payroll deduction.


And...you are correct, it is just employers who pay. Thank you for correcting me.

I do stand by my suggestion that employers should not just be able to move your job, increase your commute time and cost, and then expect you to deal with it. This seems to me like the reason the insurance exists.
 
2014-03-03 11:21:43 PM  

Kensey: Unemployment compensation is not a right.


The fark it isn't.

If you want no-fault UI, get the law changed, don't carp about the existing law not providing a benefit it's explicitly not intended to.

I actually feel a lot more righteous pointing out how many hardasses are in this thread, throwing the book at a woman who refused to go along with your bullshiat employers-call-all-the-shots ideology.

It looks like people need to crack some more heads to get others to take workers' rights seriously, I guess. When we discuss this, the default position tends to favor the multibillion dollar business world and fark the worker.
 
2014-03-04 12:12:49 AM  

whidbey: I actually feel a lot more righteous pointing out how many hardasses are in this thread, throwing the book at a woman who refused to go along with your bullshiat employers-call-all-the-shots ideology.

It looks like people need to crack some more heads to get others to take workers' rights seriously, I guess. When we discuss this, the default position tends to favor the multibillion dollar business world and fark the worker.


Whatever gets you through the day, I guess.  Just so you know, I have collected unemployment -- because my shiatty boss at that job fired me for having a flat tire and not making it to work to do pizza delivery.  So I'm not unsympathetic to people who have been genuinely farked over by random happenstance, their employer, or the economy.  I'm not saying the employer calls all the shots, I'm saying the law does, and she never returned the serve after the first volley.

We wouldn't be having this discussion if this lady's employer had said "You're fired.  Pack your shiat."  Or if she quit because her boss came onto her and wouldn't take no for an answer.  Or the job moved 100 miles away instead of less than 50.  Or there was office politics involved and her firing was retaliation for something.  These are the things UI is there to protect you from -- not your job moving a little way down the road and you being a special snowflake about it.

And no, for those who think the extra gas expense would be such a killer, it really wouldn't.  Gas prices in that area are running about $3.60 a gallon right now.  If we assume a conservative mileage of 25 MPG, the extra 70 miles a day is about 3 gallons or a whole $10.80.  I'm gonna guess, though, she's not driving my 1997 Accord that got those mileage figures and is in something more like my current Civic getting 32 MPG, so the extra expense is around $8.00 a day.  Sure, it sucks to lose 45 minutes to an hour's pay in commuting costs.  That's why you make do while you look for another job closer to home if you really feel so put out by that commute that you just can't bear it.
 
2014-03-04 12:47:04 AM  

Kensey: whidbey: I actually feel a lot more righteous pointing out how many hardasses are in this thread, throwing the book at a woman who refused to go along with your bullshiat employers-call-all-the-shots ideology.

It looks like people need to crack some more heads to get others to take workers' rights seriously, I guess. When we discuss this, the default position tends to favor the multibillion dollar business world and fark the worker.

Whatever gets you through the day, I guess.  Just so you know, I have collected unemployment -- because my shiatty boss at that job fired me for having a flat tire and not making it to work to do pizza delivery.  So I'm not unsympathetic to people who have been genuinely farked over by random happenstance, their employer, or the economy.  I'm not saying the employer calls all the shots, I'm saying the law does, and she never returned the serve after the first volley.

We wouldn't be having this discussion if this lady's employer had said "You're fired.  Pack your shiat."  Or if she quit because her boss came onto her and wouldn't take no for an answer.  Or the job moved 100 miles away instead of less than 50.  Or there was office politics involved and her firing was retaliation for something.  These are the things UI is there to protect you from -- not your job moving a little way down the road and you being a special snowflake about it.

And no, for those who think the extra gas expense would be such a killer, it really wouldn't.  Gas prices in that area are running about $3.60 a gallon right now.  If we assume a conservative mileage of 25 MPG, the extra 70 miles a day is about 3 gallons or a whole $10.80.  I'm gonna guess, though, she's not driving my 1997 Accord that got those mileage figures and is in something more like my current Civic getting 32 MPG, so the extra expense is around $8.00 a day.  Sure, it sucks to lose 45 minutes to an hour's pay in commuting costs.  That's why you make do while you look for another job closer to ...


Again, if you're so sympathetic, why are you defending the wrong side of the argument? And the gas thing is enough for me. I do not feel it is cost-effective to commute that far for a shiat-wage job. Neither should you.
 
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