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(Click On Detroit)   Not news: Man breaks in to house. News: Woman in the home warns the man she has a gun and will shoot, and does, killing the man. FARK: This is the 8th time someone has broken in to their house   ( clickondetroit.com) divider line
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2014-03-02 04:54:35 PM  
It's farkin' Detroit, that house is in a low crime area.
 
2014-03-02 05:07:18 PM  
But guns are bad and are only used to shoot kids and have no legitimate place in society!
 
2014-03-02 05:43:43 PM  
There was another one similar to this just a few days ago...Detroit too. There's home security video of it, but this one involved 3 guys kicking in a back door and then running when the homeowner (also a woman) came out with a rifle.
 
2014-03-02 06:36:42 PM  
You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.
 
2014-03-02 06:39:31 PM  
Hey ma'am, nice shot
 
2014-03-02 06:53:56 PM  
Poor young man. Likely an aspiring rapper turning his life around.
 
2014-03-02 07:15:05 PM  

Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.


With what money?

Only two kinds of people live in Detroit anymore: those who want to move but can't afford it and those who want to move but really can't afford it.
 
2014-03-02 07:17:59 PM  
The comments....oh dear god, the comments....
 
2014-03-02 07:38:38 PM  

Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.


Sure, because everybody has money...right??
 
2014-03-02 07:39:05 PM  

bearded clamorer: Hey ma'am, nice shot


Well, she's getting plenty of practice.

/knows where you were going with that, skillfully avoided it
 
2014-03-02 07:39:20 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-02 07:39:31 PM  
The woman claims she warned the intruder

fixed
 
2014-03-02 07:41:21 PM  
Arsenic and Hot Lead
 
2014-03-02 07:42:36 PM  
Detroit is like Mad Max, only more depressing.
 
2014-03-02 07:43:05 PM  
media.giphy.com

/ no trial, no reports to file
 
2014-03-02 07:44:41 PM  
CHOOT HIM!
 
2014-03-02 07:44:43 PM  
Can't be.  Defensive firearm use is a Fark myth.  All firearms owners are just waiting for the opportunity to gun down an innocent child for some perceived slight.  This is irresponsible reporting.
 
2014-03-02 07:45:07 PM  
Lionel Mandrake: The comments....oh dear god, the comments....

I just sacrificed a few of the weaker brain cells reading some of those.
 
2014-03-02 07:45:16 PM  
Good job.

One dirtbag removed.

One idiot removed.

All with one bullet.
 
2014-03-02 07:45:57 PM  
community.us.playstation.com
 
2014-03-02 07:46:09 PM  

doglover: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

With what money?

Only two kinds of people live in Detroit anymore: those who want to move but can't afford it and those who want to move but really can't afford it.


Bars on the windows is a good way to die in a fire. Especially in an arson prone town like detroit. Furthermore if you have the nerve to pull a home invasion on someone, and you get shot to death in the process fark you to you deserved it.
 
2014-03-02 07:47:09 PM  

Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner nogoodniks would get a clue after the first break-in pwnage and 1) put bars on the windows get a new line of work or 2) move to a safer neighborhood go rob a liberal's house.


FTFY.
 
2014-03-02 07:47:51 PM  

doglover: But guns are bad and are only used to shoot kids and have no legitimate place in society!


Yes, the moral of the story is that guns and Detroit have been a spectacular success.
 
2014-03-02 07:49:15 PM  
I recorded my feelings about this story on YouTube.
 
2014-03-02 07:50:15 PM  
She needs one of these:

www.geekchunks.com
 
2014-03-02 07:50:46 PM  
Ah Detroit: what 50 years of liberal leadership gets you.
 
2014-03-02 07:50:48 PM  

bearded clamorer: Hey ma'am, nice shot


awesome.

smells_like_meat: Poor young man. Likely an aspiring rapper turning his life around.


ha ha.
 
2014-03-02 07:50:50 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-02 07:50:50 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: The comments....oh dear god, the comments....


I know, they're pretty scary on the newsite too.
 
2014-03-02 07:54:37 PM  

luniz5monody: There was another one similar to this just a few days ago...Detroit too. There's home security video of it, but this one involved 3 guys kicking in a back door and then running when the homeowner (also a woman) came out with a rifle.


Fortunately the three involved were caught, being that they shot at, but not hit (afaik). She had a rusted HiPoint carbine. They're ugly, and their handguns get a lot of crap online, but those rifles are well made. They're excellent home defense weapons imo, I want one myself for home and as a range toy.
 
2014-03-02 07:57:22 PM  

Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.


Your right. You should give her the money to afford either of those options.
 
2014-03-02 07:57:35 PM  

Yakk: doglover: But guns are bad and are only used to shoot kids and have no legitimate place in society!

Yes, the moral of the story is that guns and Detroit have been a spectacular success.


If I lived in Detroit, I would want an AA-12 with two drums for the bedroom. Buck shot: slugs 2:1 mixed up.
 
2014-03-02 07:57:51 PM  
Good shot, Ma'am.
 
2014-03-02 07:59:26 PM  
One thing I've learned from this thread is thatconservatives have no idea how liberals in the real world feel about self-defense and responsible gun ownership. Here's a hint: We're not the stupid, pie-in-the-sky, la-di-dah caricatures Rush Limbaugh and Ted Nugent tell you we are.
 
2014-03-02 07:59:45 PM  

Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.


Wow. we even play "blame the victim" when a guy forces entry through a basement window?

I'm sure the goofs family hopes you will be on the jury of the wrongful death lawsuit.

Maybe they can say with so many burglaries she's obviously making her house an attractive nuisance.
 
2014-03-02 08:00:04 PM  

caeroe: luniz5monody: There was another one similar to this just a few days ago...Detroit too. There's home security video of it, but this one involved 3 guys kicking in a back door and then running when the homeowner (also a woman) came out with a rifle.

Fortunately the three involved were caught, being that they shot at, but not hit (afaik). She had a rusted HiPoint carbine. They're ugly, and their handguns get a lot of crap online, but those rifles are well made. They're excellent home defense weapons imo, I want one myself for home and as a range toy.


Hi point pistols AND rifles are cheap and ugly as hell. They are also surprisingly accurate and well made, and dirt cheap
 
2014-03-02 08:01:25 PM  
Nice hobby, homeowner.
 
2014-03-02 08:03:08 PM  

Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.


Why should the woman have to do any of that? That's almost like saying "let me teach you how to not get raped" instead of teaching dudes not to rape.
 
2014-03-02 08:04:09 PM  
She should go into the meat pie business.
 
2014-03-02 08:04:23 PM  

Livinglush: Hi point pistols AND rifles are cheap and ugly as hell. They are also surprisingly accurate and well made, and dirt cheap


They also create GREAT jobs for hand and vascular surgeons when they blow up in your face or slide-bite your thumb in two.

Hi Point pistols are widely regarded as Mall Ninja guns and Saturday Night Specials.
 
2014-03-02 08:04:52 PM  
She really needs to put a sign out front.

"Number of Break-ins"
"Number of shiatheads I've shot dead"
 
2014-03-02 08:04:57 PM  
Liberal gun owner here...

Nice shot, ma'am. Glad you weren't hurt. Hope the DA isn't put under pressure to charge you with anything.
Sucks to be the home invasion robber, but he made his choices.
 
2014-03-02 08:05:07 PM  

Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.


Blame the victim, cheif.
 
2014-03-02 08:07:06 PM  

bearded clamorer: Hey ma'am, nice shot


Nice shot, ma'am.
 
2014-03-02 08:08:01 PM  

Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.


captain-america.us

No, you tell the criminals that they should move.
 
2014-03-02 08:08:12 PM  
doglover:
Only two kinds of people live in Detroit anymore: those who want to move but can't afford it and those who want to move but really can't afford it.

People often forget that there's a white area in Detroit (or just outside it?) that's quite uhh... white and safe.
I don't know why they would live in or near Detroit, but it's pretty normal from what I've heard.
 
2014-03-02 08:09:23 PM  

ultraholland: The woman claims she warned the intruder

fixed


 I would believe it. Been reading a couple of studies on self-defense shootings, and warning the assailant is not only pretty common, it most often is the catalyst that actually serves to -escalate- the event into a shooting.
 Apparently, the kind of violent mind that does home invasions is also the kind of mind that lacks pity/empathy, and so cannot understand a victims unwillingness to hurt them purely on human decency/moral terms. They can only interpret the extra effort and exposure to risk a victim assumes by giving a warning as purely an empty threat - as weakness and an unwillingness to follow through. Really, they can not interpret it in any other terms, lacking any context in their own lives of empathy or selflessness. (i.e. They wouldn't stick their neck out for any total stranger, much less one trying to hurt them, so they misinterpret a victims warning as merely weakness or bluff).
 There are many cases of victims being clearly armed, even firing warning shots, and unarmed attackers charging them anyway. -Especially- after warning shots, strangely enough (even in one extreme case, when they came from a man firing bursts from a fully automatic rifle!). Those are quite often misinterpreted as a clear and unambiguous lack of a victims willingness to actually shoot a human; As the attackers themselves would not have hesitated or exposed themselves to undue risk for an attacker, they cannot correctly interpret the same behavior in others.
 
2014-03-02 08:09:35 PM  

a particular individual: One thing I've learned from this thread is thatconservatives have no idea how liberals in the real world feel about self-defense and responsible gun ownership. Here's a hint: We're not the stupid, pie-in-the-sky, la-di-dah caricatures Rush Limbaugh and Ted Nugent tell you we are.


Whoa whoa whoa.  Around here people are defined by their political opposition.

But seriously, this place would be better if every thread wasn't a race to pigeonhole everyone so any point they make can be dismissed.
 
2014-03-02 08:09:51 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: Detroit is like Mad Max, only more depressing.


Mad Max as interpreted by Nabokov.
 
2014-03-02 08:12:47 PM  

hardinparamedic: Livinglush: Hi point pistols AND rifles are cheap and ugly as hell. They are also surprisingly accurate and well made, and dirt cheap

They also create GREAT jobs for hand and vascular surgeons when they blow up in your face or slide-bite your thumb in two.

Hi Point pistols are widely regarded as Mall Ninja guns and Saturday Night Specials.


Cite your sources that prove they are any more dangerous to the user than any other brand of firearm.
 
2014-03-02 08:12:48 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: doglover:
Only two kinds of people live in Detroit anymore: those who want to move but can't afford it and those who want to move but really can't afford it.

People often forget that there's a white area in Detroit (or just outside it?) that's quite uhh... white and safe.
I don't know why they would live in or near Detroit, but it's pretty normal from what I've heard.


It's cuz Robocop's a honkey.
 
2014-03-02 08:13:32 PM  

doglover: God-is-a-Taco: doglover:
Only two kinds of people live in Detroit anymore: those who want to move but can't afford it and those who want to move but really can't afford it.

People often forget that there's a white area in Detroit (or just outside it?) that's quite uhh... white and safe.
I don't know why they would live in or near Detroit, but it's pretty normal from what I've heard.

It's cuz Robocop's a honkey.


Omniconsumer Products got a budget increase and put a train horn on him now. I'd buy that for a dollar.
 
2014-03-02 08:14:53 PM  

Livinglush: caeroe: luniz5monody: There was another one similar to this just a few days ago...Detroit too. There's home security video of it, but this one involved 3 guys kicking in a back door and then running when the homeowner (also a woman) came out with a rifle.

Fortunately the three involved were caught, being that they shot at, but not hit (afaik). She had a rusted HiPoint carbine. They're ugly, and their handguns get a lot of crap online, but those rifles are well made. They're excellent home defense weapons imo, I want one myself for home and as a range toy.

Hi point pistols AND rifles are cheap and ugly as hell. They are also surprisingly accurate and well made, and dirt cheap


I'd buy one, but i'd keep saying 'fugging ugly' even on the forms and my background check...
 
2014-03-02 08:16:25 PM  

anuran: Liberal gun owner here...

Nice shot, ma'am. Glad you weren't hurt. Hope the DA isn't put under pressure to charge you with anything.
Sucks to be the home invasion robber, but he made his choices.


????????????


/??????
 
2014-03-02 08:17:31 PM  

clarksvegas: Livinglush: caeroe: luniz5monody: There was another one similar to this just a few days ago...Detroit too. There's home security video of it, but this one involved 3 guys kicking in a back door and then running when the homeowner (also a woman) came out with a rifle.

Fortunately the three involved were caught, being that they shot at, but not hit (afaik). She had a rusted HiPoint carbine. They're ugly, and their handguns get a lot of crap online, but those rifles are well made. They're excellent home defense weapons imo, I want one myself for home and as a range toy.

Hi point pistols AND rifles are cheap and ugly as hell. They are also surprisingly accurate and well made, and dirt cheap

I'd buy one, but i'd keep saying 'fugging ugly' even on the forms and my background check...


Agreed. After doing a ton of research and test firing of candidates on cheap pistols to have a couple laying there in our B.O.B.s, the only reason I didn't get then was because they are indeed just god awful ugly.
 
2014-03-02 08:18:02 PM  

Livinglush: Cite your sources that prove they are any more dangerous to the user than any other brand of firearm.


Well, I'll believe the owner of our local range who banned them from all of his classes as well as being used on the range, or the fact there have been multiple people report their C9 handgun blowing up in their hand. And slide-bite is a common thing with Hi-point pistols, as the handgrip upper does not come back very far compared with the slide.

No offense to you if you love them, but I've never heard of an M&P, Browning High Power, or M1911 blowing up in someone's hand for no discernible reason.
 
2014-03-02 08:20:26 PM  

a particular individual: Here's a hint: We're not the stupid, pie-in-the-sky, la-di-dah caricatures Rush Limbaugh and Ted Nugent Fark Liberalstell you we are.


FTFY.

/I've been called both a gun-grabber and an NRA shill. In the same thread. For the same comment...
 
2014-03-02 08:21:43 PM  
did they take up a collection to keep her in the house, or do we start one here??
 
2014-03-02 08:21:59 PM  
If she's white she'll be plastered all over Fox for the next week. (especially if the dead guy is black)

If she's black this story won't make it past Monday. (Tuesday if the dead guy is black)

Conservatives like guns about as equally as they dislike the idea of blacks with guns.
 
2014-03-02 08:22:12 PM  

jayphat: She really needs to put a sign out front.

"Number of Break-ins"
"Number of shiatheads I've shot dead"


I was thinking something on the order of little kill-markers - perhaps cartoon thieves - under the windows and beside the doors.
 
2014-03-02 08:22:50 PM  
Amateur.
 
2014-03-02 08:23:14 PM  
There is no difference between this incident and Trayvon.  Bad person got shot trying to injure innocent person.
 
2014-03-02 08:23:52 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: jayphat: She really needs to put a sign out front.

"Number of Break-ins"
"Number of shiatheads I've shot dead"

I was thinking something on the order of little kill-markers - perhaps cartoon thieves - under the windows and beside the doors.


Like those stupid family stickers you see on minivans?
 
2014-03-02 08:24:30 PM  

caeroe: luniz5monody: There was another one similar to this just a few days ago...Detroit too. There's home security video of it, but this one involved 3 guys kicking in a back door and then running when the homeowner (also a woman) came out with a rifle.

Fortunately the three involved were caught, being that they shot at, but not hit (afaik). She had a rusted HiPoint carbine. They're ugly, and their handguns get a lot of crap online, but those rifles are well made. They're excellent home defense weapons imo, I want one myself for home and as a range toy.


NO.
HiPoint pistols and rifles are
A) Made of shiatty pot metal which will split, explode, and fail at the drop of a hat.
B) Are poorly made and will not fit you comfortably AT ALL
C) All use a strait-blowback operation so they are punishing to shoot.

I've seen used police trade-in and surplus Glocks for 300$, Ruger LCPs and such for 200-250$, buy one of those.
 
2014-03-02 08:25:54 PM  
images.fineartamerica.com
 
2014-03-02 08:27:23 PM  

jayphat: Like those stupid family stickers you see on minivans?


I bought 40 of those family-cat stickers and put them on the back of a female co-workers car.

She didn't notice for a week.
 
2014-03-02 08:27:38 PM  

Ivan the Tolerable: ultraholland: The woman claims she warned the intruder

fixed

 I would believe it. Been reading a couple of studies on self-defense shootings, and warning the assailant is not only pretty common, it most often is the catalyst that actually serves to -escalate- the event into a shooting.
 Apparently, the kind of violent mind that does home invasions is also the kind of mind that lacks pity/empathy, and so cannot understand a victims unwillingness to hurt them purely on human decency/moral terms. They can only interpret the extra effort and exposure to risk a victim assumes by giving a warning as purely an empty threat - as weakness and an unwillingness to follow through. Really, they can not interpret it in any other terms, lacking any context in their own lives of empathy or selflessness. (i.e. They wouldn't stick their neck out for any total stranger, much less one trying to hurt them, so they misinterpret a victims warning as merely weakness or bluff).
 There are many cases of victims being clearly armed, even firing warning shots, and unarmed attackers charging them anyway. -Especially- after warning shots, strangely enough (even in one extreme case, when they came from a man firing bursts from a fully automatic rifle!). Those are quite often misinterpreted as a clear and unambiguous lack of a victims willingness to actually shoot a human; As the attackers themselves would not have hesitated or exposed themselves to undue risk for an attacker, they cannot correctly interpret the same behavior in others.


I wonder what the best thing to shout would be then? Maybe just start barking orders like a cop does... Instead of "Stop or I'll shoot!" maybe a very aggressive "Get down on the ground NOW farkface!" Maybe trigger am instinctive learned response, evoking run ins with the police. Did the paper you read give any hints as to what DID seem to work to not end in a shooting?
 
2014-03-02 08:27:52 PM  

FnkyTwn: jayphat: Like those stupid family stickers you see on minivans?

I bought 40 of those family-cat stickers and put them on the back of a female co-workers car.

She didn't notice for a week.


And favorited as "genius"
 
2014-03-02 08:29:05 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: There is no difference between this incident and Trayvon.  Bad person got shot trying to injure innocent person.


10/10

Now THAT'S how you troll, ladies and gents.
 
2014-03-02 08:29:34 PM  

Ivan the Tolerable: ultraholland: The woman claims she warned the intruder

fixed

 I would believe it. Been reading a couple of studies on self-defense shootings, and warning the assailant is not only pretty common, it most often is the catalyst that actually serves to -escalate- the event into a shooting.
 Apparently, the kind of violent mind that does home invasions is also the kind of mind that lacks pity/empathy, and so cannot understand a victims unwillingness to hurt them purely on human decency/moral terms. They can only interpret the extra effort and exposure to risk a victim assumes by giving a warning as purely an empty threat - as weakness and an unwillingness to follow through. Really, they can not interpret it in any other terms, lacking any context in their own lives of empathy or selflessness. (i.e. They wouldn't stick their neck out for any total stranger, much less one trying to hurt them, so they misinterpret a victims warning as merely weakness or bluff).
 There are many cases of victims being clearly armed, even firing warning shots, and unarmed attackers charging them anyway. -Especially- after warning shots, strangely enough (even in one extreme case, when they came from a man firing bursts from a fully automatic rifle!). Those are quite often misinterpreted as a clear and unambiguous lack of a victims willingness to actually shoot a human; As the attackers themselves would not have hesitated or exposed themselves to undue risk for an attacker, they cannot correctly interpret the same behavior in others.


Very plausible, although I'd love to see the studies.
That said, giving a verbal warning is very useful for your second round of self defense, the one against the legal system.
 
2014-03-02 08:29:44 PM  

Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.


Moving implies selling your house to someone. Who the F is going to buy that house?
 
2014-03-02 08:30:09 PM  

hardinparamedic: Livinglush: Cite your sources that prove they are any more dangerous to the user than any other brand of firearm.

Well, I'll believe the owner of our local range who banned them from all of his classes as well as being used on the range, or the fact there have been multiple people report their C9 handgun blowing up in their hand. And slide-bite is a common thing with Hi-point pistols, as the handgrip upper does not come back very far compared with the slide.

No offense to you if you love them, but I've never heard of an M&P, Browning High Power, or M1911 blowing up in someone's hand for no discernible reason.


So where are these comparison reports? I would love to see them and I will gladly change my opinion.
 
2014-03-02 08:31:31 PM  
There are only 2 kinds of people, those who are adequately armed and victims.
 
2014-03-02 08:32:35 PM  
I like my Hi Point 9mm pistol.   Bought it 15 years ago, shoot it a couple times each year, never had a problem with it.
 
2014-03-02 08:33:49 PM  

BayouOtter: caeroe: luniz5monody: There was another one similar to this just a few days ago...Detroit too. There's home security video of it, but this one involved 3 guys kicking in a back door and then running when the homeowner (also a woman) came out with a rifle.

Fortunately the three involved were caught, being that they shot at, but not hit (afaik). She had a rusted HiPoint carbine. They're ugly, and their handguns get a lot of crap online, but those rifles are well made. They're excellent home defense weapons imo, I want one myself for home and as a range toy.

NO.
HiPoint pistols and rifles are
A) Made of shiatty pot metal which will split, explode, and fail at the drop of a hat.
B) Are poorly made and will not fit you comfortably AT ALL
C) All use a strait-blowback operation so they are punishing to shoot.

I've seen used police trade-in and surplus Glocks for 300$, Ruger LCPs and such for 200-250$, buy one of those.


As I said to another poster: cite sources that provide fail rate comparison with other brands.
 
2014-03-02 08:35:13 PM  
I'm sorry, but if you break into my home I am not giving a warning.  I have no idea what your intentions are and I am not going to risk my life to find out.  I'm not going to give up the advantage of surprise and give away my position.  Once I identify the person as someone that has no reason to be in the house, they are getting shot.  It doesn't matter if they are armed or not.  Just because they don't have a gun in their hand doesn't mean they don't have one in their waste band.  Hell they could grab a lamp or many other household items and swing those as a weapon.  If you aren't willing to risk your life, you should not break into someone's home.  It just shouldn't be that hard to wrap your head around.
 
2014-03-02 08:37:33 PM  

Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??


Guns don't cost money??
 
2014-03-02 08:37:41 PM  

doglover: But guns are bad and are only used to shoot kids and have no legitimate place in society!


Of course a gun lover also loves dogs, a needy animal to further bolster his low selfesteem.
 
2014-03-02 08:38:47 PM  

Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??


Not a crappy Hi-Point.
 
2014-03-02 08:40:27 PM  

Livinglush: So where are these comparison reports? I would love to see them and I will gladly change my opinion.


www.thetruthaboutguns.com

You might like it. I don't. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, either. And you can google the reports of the C9 Blowing up in people's hands if you want to read them.

I'll stick to my Walther/S&W
 
2014-03-02 08:43:49 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: doglover: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

With what money?

Only two kinds of people live in Detroit anymore: those who want to move but can't afford it and those who want to move but really can't afford it.

Bars on the windows is a good way to die in a fire. Especially in an arson prone town like detroit. Furthermore if you have the nerve to pull a home invasion on someone, and you get shot to death in the process fark you to you deserved it.


One can buy quick-release window bars, dude.
 
2014-03-02 08:45:34 PM  
"This is the  sixth seventh eighth time we have had an intruder, and we have become exceedingly efficient at destroying them."
 
2014-03-02 08:47:04 PM  
Wait. Wait.  I KNOW WHY YOU WANT A HI POINT.

2.bp.blogspot.com

You can be all high speed and tacticool on a budget, Yo!
 
2014-03-02 08:47:26 PM  

Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??


Are you even attempting to suggest a gun is as expensive as moving???
 
2014-03-02 08:49:34 PM  

Farkage: Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??

Are you even attempting to suggest a gun is as expensive as moving???


Depends...you can get family and friends to help you move.
 
2014-03-02 08:51:58 PM  
Sucks to be that guy, I guess.

ultraholland: The woman claims she warned the intruder

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Why would she lie about it, exactly?

You do realize that she had no legal obligation whatsoever to provide him a warning of any kind once he forcibly entered her home, right?  Shooting him dead without saying a word to him, from behind, with no warning, would have been completely legally legitimate.

// Bars would probably be a good plan, but she has no  obligation to put bars up.  The only people  obligated to do something to prevent break-ins are the burglars, who are obligated to  not farking break into houses.
 
2014-03-02 08:53:25 PM  
Hope the cops are giving her a frequent pick up discount.
 
2014-03-02 08:53:47 PM  

Lorelle: teenage mutant ninja rapist: doglover: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

With what money?

Only two kinds of people live in Detroit anymore: those who want to move but can't afford it and those who want to move but really can't afford it.

Bars on the windows is a good way to die in a fire. Especially in an arson prone town like detroit. Furthermore if you have the nerve to pull a home invasion on someone, and you get shot to death in the process fark you to you deserved it.

One can buy quick-release window bars, dude.


For only a mere $1000's of dollars per home, and there's no other uses for them.

Meanwhile a gun is $100's and fills multiple roles in both defense, sport, and in rare cases track meets.
 
2014-03-02 08:54:35 PM  
Subby said: "Not news: Man breaks in to house. News: Woman in the home warns the man she has a gun and will shoot, and does, killing the man. FARK: This is the 8th time someone has broken in to their house"

It's not "their" house anymore, right?
 
2014-03-02 08:55:47 PM  

Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??


If everone is so broke, why was the dickhead breaking in ?
She proberly didn't have anything worth getting killed.
 
2014-03-02 08:56:06 PM  

Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??


basic hi point c-9 (tiny 9mm bullet) goes for about  $189 retail

you might make it out of the uhaul store for under that. moving from shiatty to shiatty doesn't do much. that's not counting own vs rent. if selling the house, good luck. i hear the market forDetroit houses isslightly better than housing in Pompeii in 79
 
2014-03-02 08:56:52 PM  
lonerancher: I'm sorry, but if you break into my home I am not giving a warning. I have no idea what your intentions are and I am not going to risk my life to find out. I'm not going to give up the advantage of surprise and give away my position. Once I identify the person as someone that has no reason to be in the house, they are getting shot. It doesn't matter if they are armed or not. Just because they don't have a gun in their hand doesn't mean they don't have one in their waste band. Hell they could grab a lamp or many other household items and swing those as a weapon. If you aren't willing to risk your life, you should not break into someone's home. It just shouldn't be that hard to wrap your head around.

I agree. If you shout something at them, several things can happen, and all of them except their turning around and leaving is not in your favor. The first is that if they are armed, you are now in an even-up shoot out instead of having the drop on them. The second is that they become a moving target, much harder to hit. Why would you give up your advantage of surprise? The first sound they hear should be the gun going off.

Of course, I'm a southern country boy and the very idea of someone trying to break into my house doesn't mean danger; it means "hot damn, I get to shoot somebody!!!" Anyways it will never happen, nobody can get close to my house without the dogs howling for ten minutes.
 
2014-03-02 08:56:58 PM  

cig-mkr: Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??

If everone is so broke, why was the dickhead breaking in ?
She proberly didn't have anything worth getting killed.


Probably wanted to steal her gun.....
 
2014-03-02 08:57:02 PM  

doglover: and in rare cases track meets.


www.independent.co.uk

ALLEGEDLY!
 
2014-03-02 08:57:20 PM  

Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.


I had to mark this as funny, it's so stupid it made me laugh.
 
2014-03-02 08:58:13 PM  

hardinparamedic: Wait. Wait.  I KNOW WHY YOU WANT A HI POINT.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 800x311]

You can be all high speed and tacticool on a budget, Yo!


That model is actually the best thing hi-point makes,  and pistol carbines aren't usually that affordable.
...But they are more accurate, easy to handle, get better range. Perfect for home defense.

/Mother of three used one to chase off some hoodlums a few headlines ago.
/If kel-tec would get its act together, they'd be selling alot more sub-2000's in that catagory.
 
2014-03-02 08:58:20 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Sucks to be that guy, I guess.

ultraholland: The woman claims she warned the intruder

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Why would she lie about it, exactly?

You do realize that she had no legal obligation whatsoever to provide him a warning of any kind once he forcibly entered her home, right?  Shooting him dead without saying a word to him, from behind, with no warning, would have been completely legally legitimate.

// Bars would probably be a good plan, but she has no  obligation to put bars up.  The only people  obligated to do something to prevent break-ins are the burglars, who are obligated to  not farking break into houses.


Few years ago a new law passed in Florida, if you are with someone who commits a felony, you get charged too. Sure enough 3 village idiots tried to break into a man's home, he warned and the kid still tried to climb through the window and got shot. The other two kids were charged with murder.
You would think this curbs violence, apparently not since the crime rate has "barely" dropped 5% since this. Fact is criminals will continue to be criminals, guns control this fact.

The problem is however, you can say bad guys can't have guns, they laugh and show you their guns.
 
2014-03-02 08:58:24 PM  
Good for her.

Also, I only managed to ignore 1 person out of 85 comments. Fark, you're slipping.
 
2014-03-02 08:59:16 PM  
Jesus! Moving?  Yeh, I'm sure she can get an even trade for a home in a nicer neighborhood.  A gun is a few hundred dollars.  Moving involves the cost of the new property which I will bet is a few more dollars than a gun.
 
2014-03-02 09:00:10 PM  

doglover: Lorelle: teenage mutant ninja rapist: doglover: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

With what money?

Only two kinds of people live in Detroit anymore: those who want to move but can't afford it and those who want to move but really can't afford it.

Bars on the windows is a good way to die in a fire. Especially in an arson prone town like detroit. Furthermore if you have the nerve to pull a home invasion on someone, and you get shot to death in the process fark you to you deserved it.

One can buy quick-release window bars, dude.

For only a mere $1000's of dollars per home, and there's no other uses for them.

Meanwhile a gun is $100's and fills multiple roles in both defense, sport, and in rare cases track meets.


Then put security laminates on the windows. Cheaper than bars, and one can break the windows from the inside in case of fire.

It beats spending one's life clutching a gun 24/7, just waiting for the next break-in to occur.
 
2014-03-02 09:00:21 PM  

ultraholland: Lionel Mandrake: The comments....oh dear god, the comments....

I just sacrificed a few of the weaker brain cells reading some of those.


Natural selection. Your brain will be stronger for it.
 
2014-03-02 09:00:56 PM  

genner: cig-mkr: Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??

If everone is so broke, why was the dickhead breaking in ?
She proberly didn't have anything worth getting killed.

Probably wanted to steal her gun.....


And wound up on the wrong end of that deal.
 
2014-03-02 09:01:05 PM  

Livinglush: clarksvegas: Livinglush: caeroe: luniz5monody: There was another one similar to this just a few days ago...Detroit too. There's home security video of it, but this one involved 3 guys kicking in a back door and then running when the homeowner (also a woman) came out with a rifle.

Fortunately the three involved were caught, being that they shot at, but not hit (afaik). She had a rusted HiPoint carbine. They're ugly, and their handguns get a lot of crap online, but those rifles are well made. They're excellent home defense weapons imo, I want one myself for home and as a range toy.

Hi point pistols AND rifles are cheap and ugly as hell. They are also surprisingly accurate and well made, and dirt cheap

I'd buy one, but i'd keep saying 'fugging ugly' even on the forms and my background check...

Agreed. After doing a ton of research and test firing of candidates on cheap pistols to have a couple laying there in our B.O.B.s, the only reason I didn't get then was because they are indeed just god awful ugly.


They have all the ergonomics of a cordless drill. But, you pull the trigger and they go bang. I've also heard about some bad ones, which the factory repaired/replaced no questions asked. The same rap is laid on the SCCY 9mms. Another: pull the trigger and it goes bang. It breaks and the factory fixes. I have one of each. I have no illusions that they are as good as my Colt 1911 or my Glock. But, the best gun in the world is the one that you have on you when the fight starts.
 
2014-03-02 09:01:21 PM  
Hi-Point.  The only guns known to man which can out-ugly the Glock.
 
2014-03-02 09:01:44 PM  

Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??

Are you even attempting to suggest a gun is as expensive as moving???

Depends...you can get family and friends to help you move.


Move bodies too?
 
2014-03-02 09:03:57 PM  
I think it was rather considerate of the fellow to try and make sure he didn't bleed out all over her floor....not many intruders would put forth that effort.
 
2014-03-02 09:04:04 PM  
Sorry folks.  Her possessing the gun is what is causing all of this.  It acts like a catalyst, drawing moths to a flame.  Those young men she has shot and threatened to shoot are the victims of her dark, twisted sociopathetic persona.  She should be locked away - at least until she has received professional help for her bloodlust and able to rejoin society.  Remove her from the equation and these fine young men will surprise you.
 
2014-03-02 09:04:17 PM  

hardinparamedic: Wait. Wait.  I KNOW WHY YOU WANT A HI POINT.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 800x311]

You can be all high speed and tacticool on a budget, Yo!


And it's still a 9mm and it still only holds 10 shots.  You could take on the whole Russian Army with that!
 
gja
2014-03-02 09:05:02 PM  

Ivan the Tolerable: ultraholland: The woman claims she warned the intruder

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 I would believe it. Been reading a couple of studies on self-defense shootings, and warning the assailant is not only pretty common, it most often is the catalyst that actually serves to -escalate- the event into a shooting.
 Apparently, the kind of violent mind that does home invasions is also the kind of mind that lacks pity/empathy, and so cannot understand a victims unwillingness to hurt them purely on human decency/moral terms. They can only interpret the extra effort and exposure to risk a victim assumes by giving a warning as purely an empty threat - as weakness and an unwillingness to follow through. Really, they can not interpret it in any other terms, lacking any context in their own lives of empathy or selflessness. (i.e. They wouldn't stick their neck out for any total stranger, much less one trying to hurt them, so they misinterpret a victims warning as merely weakness or bluff).
 There are many cases of victims being clearly armed, even firing warning shots, and unarmed attackers charging them anyway. -Especially- after warning shots, strangely enough (even in one extreme case, when they came from a man firing bursts from a fully automatic rifle!). Those are quite often misinterpreted as a clear and unambiguous lack of a victims willingness to actually shoot a human; As the attackers themselves would not have hesitated or exposed themselves to undue risk for an attacker, they cannot correctly interpret the same behavior in others.


I want to know, are you trying to intimate that firing a warning shot egged the intruder on and that woman is in any way wrong for doing so?
Or are you just pointing out an alleged study, in which case:
img.4plebs.org
 
2014-03-02 09:05:06 PM  

RatMaster999: Hi-Point.  The only guns known to man which can out-ugly the Glock.


As long as the blasterpiece can stop a perp dead in his tracks, who cares?  Not sure the point here, do you think it would be embarrassing to be shot with an ugly fire arm?
 
2014-03-02 09:05:49 PM  

jayphat: Benevolent Misanthrope: jayphat: She really needs to put a sign out front.

"Number of Break-ins"
"Number of shiatheads I've shot dead"

I was thinking something on the order of little kill-markers - perhaps cartoon thieves - under the windows and beside the doors.

Like those stupid family stickers you see on minivans?


But with striped shirts and masks, holding little bags with dollar signs on them, perhaps.
 
2014-03-02 09:07:13 PM  

martid4: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

I had to mark this as funny, it's so stupid it made me laugh.


Nah. What's stupid is wasting your life sitting around waiting to be attacked again.

Yesterday marked 29 years since someone broke into my apartment and threatened me with a gun. I moved to a safer neighborhood 2 months later, after my lease had expired.
 
2014-03-02 09:07:23 PM  
Though I will say, that may be the one and only acceptable use for those damn stick figure decals.
 
2014-03-02 09:08:51 PM  

Lorelle: doglover: Lorelle: teenage mutant ninja rapist: doglover: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

With what money?

Only two kinds of people live in Detroit anymore: those who want to move but can't afford it and those who want to move but really can't afford it.

Bars on the windows is a good way to die in a fire. Especially in an arson prone town like detroit. Furthermore if you have the nerve to pull a home invasion on someone, and you get shot to death in the process fark you to you deserved it.

One can buy quick-release window bars, dude.

For only a mere $1000's of dollars per home, and there's no other uses for them.

Meanwhile a gun is $100's and fills multiple roles in both defense, sport, and in rare cases track meets.

Then put security laminates on the windows. Cheaper than bars, and one can break the windows from the inside in case of fire.

It beats spending one's life clutching a gun 24/7, just waiting for the next break-in to occur.


That would be a good idea to add to the home now, but having a gun would still be needful in a place like Detroit. And you don't spend 24/7 clutching the gun worried, the gun is just another tool, like a hammer. Only sometimes the nail that sticks up is a robber.

You're just being willfully ignorant about guns.
 
2014-03-02 09:09:43 PM  

Lorelle: martid4: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

I had to mark this as funny, it's so stupid it made me laugh.

Nah. What's stupid is wasting your life sitting around waiting to be attacked again.

Yesterday marked 29 years since someone broke into my apartment and threatened me with a gun. I moved to a safer neighborhood 2 months later, after my lease had expired.


So you get to project your circumstances on everyone else who may be in a remotely similar situation. How cute.
 
2014-03-02 09:12:06 PM  

martid4: RatMaster999: Hi-Point.  The only guns known to man which can out-ugly the Glock.

As long as the blasterpiece can stop a perp dead in his tracks, who cares?  Not sure the point here, do you think it would be embarrassing to be shot with an ugly fire arm?


I'd be embarrassed to admit owning one, but it beats having nothing more than a sharp stick.  At least it's a better choice than the $79 Raven Arms little pistols...
 
gja
2014-03-02 09:12:50 PM  

Lorelle: martid4: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

I had to mark this as funny, it's so stupid it made me laugh.

Nah. What's stupid is wasting your life sitting around waiting to be attacked again.

Yesterday marked 29 years since someone broke into my apartment and threatened me with a gun. I moved to a safer neighborhood 2 months later, after my lease had expired.


Well whoopdyshiat for you. Last time I saw that much projection was the matinee of 'Gravity'.

You and mister "move to another place" must be screwing each other.
 
2014-03-02 09:15:18 PM  
Why is it reported as fact that she warned him?
 
2014-03-02 09:15:38 PM  

RatMaster999: martid4: RatMaster999: Hi-Point.  The only guns known to man which can out-ugly the Glock.

As long as the blasterpiece can stop a perp dead in his tracks, who cares?  Not sure the point here, do you think it would be embarrassing to be shot with an ugly fire arm?

I'd be embarrassed to admit owning one, but it beats having nothing more than a sharp stick.  At least it's a better choice than the $79 Raven Arms little pistols...


A $79 pistol?

(o.O)

Why!?
 
2014-03-02 09:15:53 PM  

Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??


Decent used revolver: $200
Bars on windows: Easily a couple thousand bucks.
Moving: Tens of thousands, especially since you'll have to sell your high-crime home for a loss.
 
2014-03-02 09:16:16 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Sucks to be that guy, I guess.

ultraholland: The woman claims she warned the intruder

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Why would she lie about it, exactly?


Because some people, including the occasional cop, are stupid enough to automatically assume the armed survivor of any lethal force situation is automatically the guilty party, and will use any shred of evidence that the survivor was anything less than a perfect saint as defined by local morals (hint: in Detroit, that means "liberal to the point of self-destruction") to make a snap judgement, procedure be damned.

/if they were good cops Detroit might not have such rampant crime
//lying to the cops isn't a good idea in the long run, but in the short term, if the cops are letting you know things will get ugly if you don't say what they want to hear, you better say what they want to hear
 
2014-03-02 09:16:27 PM  
doglover: That would be a good idea to add to the home now, but having a gun would still be needful in a place like Detroit. And you don't spend 24/7 clutching the gun worried, the gun is just another tool, like a hammer. Only sometimes the nail that sticks up is a robber.

You're just being willfully ignorant about guns.


Funny, when the guy who broke into my apartment pointed his gun at me and told me not to scream (I screamed my head off, natch), I didn't view it as a mere "tool."
 
2014-03-02 09:16:42 PM  

Dwindle: bearded clamorer: Hey ma'am, nice shot

Nice shot, ma'am.


Hey ma'am, have fun.
 
2014-03-02 09:16:46 PM  
Why didn't she call the police and run from the house or retreat to the farthest room in the house ? The police would have been there sooner or later . Why hang around when she could have clearly gotten away ? This could have been avoided . I bet this responsible gun owner creamed her jeans at the chance to kill someone

/Trollin
 
2014-03-02 09:17:33 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: Detroit is like Mad Max, only more depressing.


Kind of seems like a time travel mishap to me, like the alternate Hill Valley in BttF
 
2014-03-02 09:18:11 PM  
According to the woman's husband, this is the eighth time someone has broken into their home.

Let's just take this as gospel. There's no way he could possibly be lying or exaggerating.
 
gja
2014-03-02 09:18:37 PM  

doglover: RatMaster999: martid4: RatMaster999: Hi-Point.  The only guns known to man which can out-ugly the Glock.

As long as the blasterpiece can stop a perp dead in his tracks, who cares?  Not sure the point here, do you think it would be embarrassing to be shot with an ugly fire arm?

I'd be embarrassed to admit owning one, but it beats having nothing more than a sharp stick.  At least it's a better choice than the $79 Raven Arms little pistols...

A $79 pistol?

(o.O)

Why!?


Probably stamped with a "Best if used by" date....

There are some things it is best not to cheap-out on.
 
2014-03-02 09:19:40 PM  

anuran: Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??

Decent used revolver: $200
Bars on windows: Easily a couple thousand bucks.
Moving: Tens of thousands, especially since you'll have to sell your high-crime home for a loss.


Replacing broken windows eight times isn't costly??
 
2014-03-02 09:21:59 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Sucks to be that guy, I guess.

ultraholland: The woman claims she warned the intruder

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Why would she lie about it, exactly?

You do realize that she had no legal obligation whatsoever to provide him a warning of any kind once he forcibly entered her home, right?  Shooting him dead without saying a word to him, from behind, with no warning, would have been completely legally legitimate.

// Bars would probably be a good plan, but she has no  obligation to put bars up.  The only people  obligated to do something to prevent break-ins are the burglars, who are obligated to  not farking break into houses.


Maryland requires you to retreat from an intruder in your home if at all possible.  If you shoot an intruder in the back you will be charged.  If you shoot an intruder in the front and tell the police you were afraid for you life you've got maybe a 50/50 chance of not being charged.  Maybe...
 
2014-03-02 09:22:54 PM  

Lorelle: doglover: That would be a good idea to add to the home now, but having a gun would still be needful in a place like Detroit. And you don't spend 24/7 clutching the gun worried, the gun is just another tool, like a hammer. Only sometimes the nail that sticks up is a robber.

You're just being willfully ignorant about guns.

Funny, when the guy who broke into my apartment pointed his gun at me and told me not to scream (I screamed my head off, natch), I didn't view it as a mere "tool."


You made a  CHOICE not to defend yourself with force. What happens from that point on is your responsibility.
 
gja
2014-03-02 09:22:59 PM  

Lorelle: anuran: Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??

Decent used revolver: $200
Bars on windows: Easily a couple thousand bucks.
Moving: Tens of thousands, especially since you'll have to sell your high-crime home for a loss.

Replacing broken windows eight times isn't costly??


Oh group up you horses ass. You do not win this one, little miss 'no guns'.

BTW, window panes are about 5-10 bucks. Moving is just a tad more (like 10000 times more at least).
 
2014-03-02 09:24:51 PM  

Penman: You made a  CHOICE not to defend yourself with force. What happens from that point on is your responsibility.


Discretion is the better part of valor.

Chances are if she had a gun, and had tried to go for it she wouldn't be here typing this today.
 
2014-03-02 09:26:24 PM  

stuartp9: She needs one of these:

[www.geekchunks.com image 487x300]


or one of these:

i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-03-02 09:26:34 PM  

K3rmy: Sorry folks.  Her possessing the gun is what is causing all of this.  It acts like a catalyst, drawing moths to a flame.  Those young men she has shot and threatened to shoot are the victims of her dark, twisted sociopathetic persona.  She should be locked away - at least until she has received professional help for her bloodlust and able to rejoin society.  Remove her from the equation and these fine young men will surprise you.


...instead of her.
 
2014-03-02 09:26:34 PM  

hardinparamedic: Penman: You made a  CHOICE not to defend yourself with force. What happens from that point on is your responsibility.

Discretion is the better part of valor.

Chances are if she had a gun, and had tried to go for it she wouldn't be here typing this today.


That's why you have it in hand, you don't say to the robber "Excuse me I've got to go get my gun."
 
2014-03-02 09:27:17 PM  

twiztedjustin: Good for her.

Also, I only managed to ignore 1 person out of 85 comments. Fark, you're slipping.


The trolls are staying away from this one.
 
2014-03-02 09:28:41 PM  

hardinparamedic: Penman: You made a  CHOICE not to defend yourself with force. What happens from that point on is your responsibility.

Discretion is the better part of valor.

Chances are if she had a gun, and had tried to go for it she wouldn't be here typing this today.


Agreed. Kind of have to take a lot of different situations in life on a case by case basis though.
 
2014-03-02 09:29:07 PM  

Penman: That's why you have it in hand, you don't say to the robber "Excuse me I've got to go get my gun."


Ah, so I see. It's her fault for not having it strapped to her leg in a drop tactical holster 24/7?

cdn.firearmstalk.com
 
gja
2014-03-02 09:29:20 PM  

RottenEggs: twiztedjustin: Good for her.

Also, I only managed to ignore 1 person out of 85 comments. Fark, you're slipping.

The trolls are staying away from this one.


And yet, Lorelle is here trollin hard and long.
 
2014-03-02 09:30:08 PM  

Penman: Lorelle: doglover: That would be a good idea to add to the home now, but having a gun would still be needful in a place like Detroit. And you don't spend 24/7 clutching the gun worried, the gun is just another tool, like a hammer. Only sometimes the nail that sticks up is a robber.

You're just being willfully ignorant about guns.

Funny, when the guy who broke into my apartment pointed his gun at me and told me not to scream (I screamed my head off, natch), I didn't view it as a mere "tool."

You made a  CHOICE not to defend yourself with force. What happens from that point on is your responsibility.


I defended myself with what I had on hand: a small pot of boiling chicken soup (I was standing at the stove in the kitchen when the break-in occurred). The guy yelled and ran out of my apartment.

gja: Oh group up you horses ass. You do not win this one, little miss 'no guns'.


F*ck off, asshole.

/see, I made a CHOICE to defend myself
 
2014-03-02 09:30:54 PM  
ttc2301:
They have all the ergonomics of a cordless drill.

Not that good. A professional quality drill has to be comfortable, vibration and all for eight hours a day. If it isn't the carpenters and electricians and plumbers will buy something else; their hands are their livelihood. Almost nobody fires a gun that much day in and day out.

But, you pull the trigger and they go bang.

And that is what a gun needs to do above all else.
 
gja
2014-03-02 09:31:33 PM  

Lorelle: Penman: Lorelle: doglover: That would be a good idea to add to the home now, but having a gun would still be needful in a place like Detroit. And you don't spend 24/7 clutching the gun worried, the gun is just another tool, like a hammer. Only sometimes the nail that sticks up is a robber.

You're just being willfully ignorant about guns.

Funny, when the guy who broke into my apartment pointed his gun at me and told me not to scream (I screamed my head off, natch), I didn't view it as a mere "tool."

You made a  CHOICE not to defend yourself with force. What happens from that point on is your responsibility.

I defended myself with what I had on hand: a small pot of boiling chicken soup (I was standing at the stove in the kitchen when the break-in occurred). The guy yelled and ran out of my apartment.

gja: Oh group up you horses ass. You do not win this one, little miss 'no guns'.

F*ck off, asshole.

/see, I made a CHOICE to defend myself


Good for you. EABOBOD dearie. You are a well documented headcase.
 
2014-03-02 09:32:20 PM  

Lorelle: Penman: Lorelle: doglover: That would be a good idea to add to the home now, but having a gun would still be needful in a place like Detroit. And you don't spend 24/7 clutching the gun worried, the gun is just another tool, like a hammer. Only sometimes the nail that sticks up is a robber.

You're just being willfully ignorant about guns.

Funny, when the guy who broke into my apartment pointed his gun at me and told me not to scream (I screamed my head off, natch), I didn't view it as a mere "tool."

You made a  CHOICE not to defend yourself with force. What happens from that point on is your responsibility.

I defended myself with what I had on hand: a small pot of boiling chicken soup (I was standing at the stove in the kitchen when the break-in occurred). The guy yelled and ran out of my apartment.

gja: Oh group up you horses ass. You do not win this one, little miss 'no guns'.

F*ck off, asshole.

/see, I made a CHOICE to defend myself


So as long as everybody keeps a pot of boiling chicken soup next to them at all times, they're good to go until they save up the money to move.
Got it.
 
2014-03-02 09:33:57 PM  

the ha ha guy: /I've been called both a gun-grabber and an NRA shill. In the same thread. For the same comment...


Speculation: in a single post you endorsed both universal background checks while rejecting a ban on scary-looking rifles (due to the presence of handgrips that stick out from the stock) as ineffective.
 
2014-03-02 09:34:33 PM  

Lorelle: doglover: That would be a good idea to add to the home now, but having a gun would still be needful in a place like Detroit. And you don't spend 24/7 clutching the gun worried, the gun is just another tool, like a hammer. Only sometimes the nail that sticks up is a robber.

You're just being willfully ignorant about guns.

Funny, when the guy who broke into my apartment pointed his gun at me and told me not to scream (I screamed my head off, natch), I didn't view it as a mere "tool."


Oh heavens to mergatroid! Somebody broke into my home and pointed a gun at me 29 years ago! Oh the horror!

shiat happens. Get some therapy.

It's the fight or flight response, and you chose flight. There's another option. Squirrels flee from danger very successfully. But they live in constant terror and usually die in violence anyway. But skunks? Skunks own the forest. They, despite being walking snacks, have less stress than Willie Nelson three joints into breakfast. Why? Because of all the animals in the forest who fight, the skunk has the worst attack.

But this doesn't mean the skunk just walks around waiting for a chance to spray. They're actually just cool little guys who bumble through the forest looking for munchies and lady skunks. If they could, they'd go their whole life without spraying. But if push comes to shove, they can push back.

And that's really what weapons ownership is all about. You don't have a weapon because you want to use it, you have it because in the event you ever need it, you'll wish you had it. While you can jury rig a spear or sword out of household goods, handguns are probably a better choice. Much like the skunk, you keep it on the back burner. It doesn't define your existence, but if you ever need it it's there.
 
2014-03-02 09:35:04 PM  

Lorelle: I defended myself with what I had on hand: a small pot of boiling chicken soup (I was standing at the stove in the kitchen when the break-in occurred). The guy yelled and ran out of my apartment.


So you understand the importance of being armed.
Though in many states, using that soup as a weapon would get you arrested for "harming" the poor robber.. they care about the victim more than you.
 
2014-03-02 09:35:57 PM  

gja: Good for you. EABOBOD dearie. You are a well documented headcase.


Awww...pobrecito. Why do you get so upset when women fight back??
 
2014-03-02 09:36:09 PM  
al's hat:

Maryland requires you to retreat from an intruder in your home if at all possible.  If you shoot an intruder in the back you will be charged.  If you shoot an intruder in the front and tell the police you were afraid for you life you've got maybe a 50/50 chance of not being charged.  Maybe...

I'd like to see a citation on that. The last I heard Massachusetts was the last State that had a Duty to Retreat in your own home. And that changed within a year of Dukakis leaving office.
 
2014-03-02 09:36:59 PM  

Penman: Lorelle: I defended myself with what I had on hand: a small pot of boiling chicken soup (I was standing at the stove in the kitchen when the break-in occurred). The guy yelled and ran out of my apartment.

So you understand the importance of being armed.
Though in many states, using that soup as a weapon would get you arrested for "harming" the poor robber.. they care about the victim more than you.


The criminal I mean.
 
gja
2014-03-02 09:39:07 PM  

Lorelle: gja: Good for you. EABOBOD dearie. You are a well documented headcase.

Awww...pobrecito. Why do you get so upset when women fight back??


LOL. Upset? I am not upset with you. You are nutty as an acorn tree sweetie. Have a nice night. Try not to hurt your brain on any big words.
 
2014-03-02 09:39:50 PM  

gja: RottenEggs: twiztedjustin: Good for her.

Also, I only managed to ignore 1 person out of 85 comments. Fark, you're slipping.

The trolls are staying away from this one.

And yet, Lorelle is here trollin hard and long.


Lorelle is not "trolling". She is sincerely outraged that a citizen legally possessed a firearm and, even more offensive to her moral beliefs, that the citizen legally used the firearm in a defensive fashion.
 
gja
2014-03-02 09:41:20 PM  

Penman: Lorelle: I defended myself with what I had on hand: a small pot of boiling chicken soup (I was standing at the stove in the kitchen when the break-in occurred). The guy yelled and ran out of my apartment.

So you understand the importance of being armed.
Though in many states, using that soup as a weapon would get you arrested for "harming" the poor robber.. they care about the victim more than you.


Yup. In NY she would get a gaggle of lawyers letters from the sharks the perp would hire to sue her butt into the next millennia.
 
2014-03-02 09:41:35 PM  

doglover: And that's really what weapons ownership is all about. You don't have a weapon because you want to use it, you have it because in the event you ever need it, you'll wish you had it. While you can jury rig a spear or sword out of household goods, handguns are probably a better choice. Much like the skunk, you keep it on the back burner. It doesn't define your existence, but if you ever need it it's there.


While I am uncertain as to my full opinion of your analogy of squirrels and skunks, I can state that I prefer it to the analogy of sheep and sheepdogs.
 
2014-03-02 09:42:59 PM  

hardinparamedic: Penman: You made a  CHOICE not to defend yourself with force. What happens from that point on is your responsibility.

Discretion is the better part of valor.

Chances are if she had a gun, and had tried to go for it she wouldn't be here typing this today.


Chances are you don't cook with a gun.

The gun is just a hotter pot of soup that you can keep by the bed. But any good interior decorating scheme should include throwable knick-knacks and some actual
weapons. Swords on the wall, knives in the kitchen, baseball bat and balls in the den, questionable african doll headed spear stick curio I don't know who bought me but was a good walking stick in the corner. The whole world's a weapon just waiting to be used.
 
2014-03-02 09:45:19 PM  

doglover: Oh heavens to mergatroid! Somebody broke into my home and pointed a gun at me 29 years ago! Oh the horror!

shiat happens. Get some therapy.

It's the fight or flight response, and you chose flight. There's another option. Squirrels flee from danger very successfully. But they live in constant terror and usually die in violence anyway. But skunks? Skunks own the forest. They, despite being walking snacks, have less stress than Willie Nelson three joints into breakfast. Why? Because of all the animals in the forest who fight, the skunk has the worst attack.

But this doesn't mean the skunk just walks around waiting for a chance to spray. They're actually just cool little guys who bumble through the forest looking for munchies and lady skunks. If they could, they'd go their whole life without spraying. But if push comes to shove, they can push back.

And that's really what weapons ownership is all about. You don't have a weapon because you want to use it, you have it because in the event you ever need it, you'll wish you had it. While you can jury rig a spear or sword out of household goods, handguns are probably a better choice. Much like the skunk, you keep it on the back burner. It doesn't define your existence, but if you ever need it it's there.


When one faces a serious threat to one's life, one has a tendency to remember it, even decades later. Therapy helps in the short-term, but the memory lasts forever. And yes, I did think about it yesterday, but I didn't spend the entire day dwelling on it.

And, as I mentioned above, I didn't flee (I couldn't--there was no way I could get to the door without going past him); I fought back with what was available.

I don't have a pet skunk, but there are several cans of chicken soup in my humble abode (among other, more dangerous things). :)
 
2014-03-02 09:49:36 PM  

anuran: al's hat:

Maryland requires you to retreat from an intruder in your home if at all possible.  If you shoot an intruder in the back you will be charged.  If you shoot an intruder in the front and tell the police you were afraid for you life you've got maybe a 50/50 chance of not being charged.  Maybe...

I'd like to see a citation on that. The last I heard Massachusetts was the last State that had a Duty to Retreat in your own home. And that changed within a year of Dukakis leaving office.


Apparently the duty to retreat only applies outside of the home.  But it looks like you have to actually be being attacked in your home to justifiably shoot and kill an intruder.

"[A] man faced with the danger of an attack upon his dwelling need not retreat from his home to escape the danger, but instead may stand his ground and, if necessary to repel the attack, may kill the attacker." Crawford v. State, 231 Md. 354, 361, 190 A.2d 538, 541 (1963). The Court of Appeals said in Crawford, a case in which the defendant fatally shot a younger man who was attempting to break into his home to beat and rob him."
 
2014-03-02 09:49:54 PM  

Dimensio: doglover: And that's really what weapons ownership is all about. You don't have a weapon because you want to use it, you have it because in the event you ever need it, you'll wish you had it. While you can jury rig a spear or sword out of household goods, handguns are probably a better choice. Much like the skunk, you keep it on the back burner. It doesn't define your existence, but if you ever need it it's there.

While I am uncertain as to my full opinion of your analogy of squirrels and skunks, I can state that I prefer it to the analogy of sheep and sheepdogs.


Because sheep and sheepdogs doesn't work.

Sheep will nig a farker up if you cross between ewes and lambs. Sheepdogs will, absent commands, probably befriend anyone with a piece of bacon or two.

Fight or flight, on the other hand... that works great. Both can save you, both have pros and cons. Ideally, you have both, but not everyone does.
 
gja
2014-03-02 09:50:49 PM  

Lorelle: And, as I mentioned above, I didn't flee (I couldn't--there was no way I could get to the door without going past him


What? No windows?
 
2014-03-02 09:51:25 PM  

Lorelle: martid4: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

I had to mark this as funny, it's so stupid it made me laugh.

Nah. What's stupid is wasting your life sitting around waiting to be attacked again.

Yesterday marked 29 years since someone broke into my apartment and threatened me with a gun. I moved to a safer neighborhood 2 months later, after my lease had expired.


You do realize that people like you moving out of the borderline safe areas are what eventually makes them utter sh*tholes for those who can't afford to move? All the God fearing upstanding citizens run further and further into the suburbs because they want to sleep easier at night.
 
2014-03-02 09:52:01 PM  

doglover: Sheep will nig a farker up if you cross between ewes and lambs.


moonbattery.com
www.somegif.com
 
2014-03-02 09:53:44 PM  

Lorelle: doglover: Oh heavens to mergatroid! Somebody broke into my home and pointed a gun at me 29 years ago! Oh the horror!

shiat happens. Get some therapy.

It's the fight or flight response, and you chose flight. There's another option. Squirrels flee from danger very successfully. But they live in constant terror and usually die in violence anyway. But skunks? Skunks own the forest. They, despite being walking snacks, have less stress than Willie Nelson three joints into breakfast. Why? Because of all the animals in the forest who fight, the skunk has the worst attack.

But this doesn't mean the skunk just walks around waiting for a chance to spray. They're actually just cool little guys who bumble through the forest looking for munchies and lady skunks. If they could, they'd go their whole life without spraying. But if push comes to shove, they can push back.

And that's really what weapons ownership is all about. You don't have a weapon because you want to use it, you have it because in the event you ever need it, you'll wish you had it. While you can jury rig a spear or sword out of household goods, handguns are probably a better choice. Much like the skunk, you keep it on the back burner. It doesn't define your existence, but if you ever need it it's there.

When one faces a serious threat to one's life, one has a tendency to remember it, even decades later. Therapy helps in the short-term, but the memory lasts forever. And yes, I did think about it yesterday, but I didn't spend the entire day dwelling on it.

And, as I mentioned above, I didn't flee (I couldn't--there was no way I could get to the door without going past him); I fought back with what was available.

I don't have a pet skunk, but there are several cans of chicken soup in my humble abode (among other, more dangerous things). :)


Honestly, I have it on good authority(my own) that scalds suck.

Like... really suck.

If they could make a boiling water super-soaker, that would be godawful scary but great for home defense.
 
gja
2014-03-02 09:53:45 PM  

gja: Lorelle: And, as I mentioned above, I didn't flee (I couldn't--there was no way I could get to the door without going past him

What? No windows?


Left this out:
www.examiner.com
 
2014-03-02 09:55:20 PM  

a particular individual: One thing I've learned from this thread is thatconservatives have no idea how liberals in the real world feel about self-defense and responsible gun ownership. Here's a hint: We're not the stupid, pie-in-the-sky, la-di-dah caricatures Rush Limbaugh and Ted Nugent tell you we are.


Except I've seen far too many liberals saying "why not simply wound him?"  or "why did they fire multiple shots?"

mongbiohazard: I wonder what the best thing to shout would be then? Maybe just start barking orders like a cop does... Instead of "Stop or I'll shoot!" maybe a very aggressive "Get down on the ground NOW farkface!" Maybe trigger am instinctive learned response, evoking run ins with the police. Did the paper you read give any hints as to what DID seem to work to not end in a shooting?


My inclination would be "Stop!  Your next step will be your last!"

Misconduc: Few years ago a new law passed in Florida, if you are with someone who commits a felony, you get charged too. Sure enough 3 village idiots tried to break into a man's home, he warned and the kid still tried to climb through the window and got shot. The other two kids were charged with murder.
You would think this curbs violence, apparently not since the crime rate has "barely" dropped 5% since this. Fact is criminals will continue to be criminals, guns control this fact.


The felony murder rule.  Many places have it.
 
2014-03-02 09:55:31 PM  
The problem is however, you can say bad guys can't have guns, they laugh and show you their guns.

The best part of "gun control"
 
2014-03-02 09:55:41 PM  

gja: Lorelle: anuran: Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??

Decent used revolver: $200
Bars on windows: Easily a couple thousand bucks.
Moving: Tens of thousands, especially since you'll have to sell your high-crime home for a loss.

Replacing broken windows eight times isn't costly??

Oh group up you horses ass. You do not win this one, little miss 'no guns'.

BTW, window panes are about 5-10 bucks. Moving is just a tad more (like 10000 times more at least).


I don't care about your argument - the intruder had it coming.

I do want to know where you're getting home window panes for only $10. That's an incredible deal!
 
gja
2014-03-02 09:56:25 PM  

doglover: Honestly, I have it on good authority(my own) that scalds suck.

Like... really suck.

If they could make a boiling water super-soaker, that would be godawful scary but great for home defense.


In many states you would be ruined at LEAST financially via lawsuits for undue harm and such.
You might wanna rethink that.
 
2014-03-02 09:57:23 PM  

gja: Lorelle: And, as I mentioned above, I didn't flee (I couldn't--there was no way I could get to the door without going past him

What? No windows?


They had bars on them.
 
2014-03-02 09:58:37 PM  

Dimensio: gja: RottenEggs: twiztedjustin: Good for her.

Also, I only managed to ignore 1 person out of 85 comments. Fark, you're slipping.

The trolls are staying away from this one.

And yet, Lorelle is here trollin hard and long.

Lorelle is not "trolling". She is sincerely outraged that a citizen legally possessed a firearm and, even more offensive to her moral beliefs, that the citizen legally used the firearm in a defensive fashion.


STOP TRYING TO SPOIL MY FUN, DAMNIT.

gja: Lorelle: And, as I mentioned above, I didn't flee (I couldn't--there was no way I could get to the door without going past him

What? No windows?


It was a studio apartment with one door and one big, long window in front. The kitchenette and bathroom were in the rear.
 
gja
2014-03-02 09:58:40 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: gja: Lorelle: anuran: Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??

Decent used revolver: $200
Bars on windows: Easily a couple thousand bucks.
Moving: Tens of thousands, especially since you'll have to sell your high-crime home for a loss.

Replacing broken windows eight times isn't costly??

Oh group up you horses ass. You do not win this one, little miss 'no guns'.

BTW, window panes are about 5-10 bucks. Moving is just a tad more (like 10000 times more at least).

I don't care about your argument - the intruder had it coming.

I do want to know where you're getting home window panes for only $10. That's an incredible deal!


Buy the glass and do the glazing yourself. The glass is cheap at local places for simple panes. Right-angle cuts and nothing bigger than 2'x3'.
Single layer is cheap stuff.
 
gja
2014-03-02 09:59:26 PM  

Farkage: gja: Lorelle: And, as I mentioned above, I didn't flee (I couldn't--there was no way I could get to the door without going past him

What? No windows?

They had bars on them.


Pity, that.
 
gja
2014-03-02 10:03:01 PM  

Lorelle: Dimensio: gja: RottenEggs: twiztedjustin: Good for her.

Also, I only managed to ignore 1 person out of 85 comments. Fark, you're slipping.

The trolls are staying away from this one.

And yet, Lorelle is here trollin hard and long.

Lorelle is not "trolling". She is sincerely outraged that a citizen legally possessed a firearm and, even more offensive to her moral beliefs, that the citizen legally used the firearm in a defensive fashion.

STOP TRYING TO SPOIL MY FUN, DAMNIT.

gja: Lorelle: And, as I mentioned above, I didn't flee (I couldn't--there was no way I could get to the door without going past him

What? No windows?

It was a studio apartment with one door and one big, long window in front. The kitchenette and bathroom were in the rear.


I am enjoying this repartee immensely. It is like spit-roasting bugs on wire getting your ante up.
Too cold and out of season for fishing near me, so playing you like a trout on the end of a line will have to suffice.

BTW, if the bathroom was handy you might have tried flushing yourself. Or hiding in the shower and stopped breathing to trick him.
Of course the latter might have backfired if he was a necrophiliac.
 
2014-03-02 10:03:12 PM  

doglover: Lorelle: doglover: Oh heavens to mergatroid! Somebody broke into my home and pointed a gun at me 29 years ago! Oh the horror!

shiat happens. Get some therapy.

It's the fight or flight response, and you chose flight. There's another option. Squirrels flee from danger very successfully. But they live in constant terror and usually die in violence anyway. But skunks? Skunks own the forest. They, despite being walking snacks, have less stress than Willie Nelson three joints into breakfast. Why? Because of all the animals in the forest who fight, the skunk has the worst attack.

But this doesn't mean the skunk just walks around waiting for a chance to spray. They're actually just cool little guys who bumble through the forest looking for munchies and lady skunks. If they could, they'd go their whole life without spraying. But if push comes to shove, they can push back.

And that's really what weapons ownership is all about. You don't have a weapon because you want to use it, you have it because in the event you ever need it, you'll wish you had it. While you can jury rig a spear or sword out of household goods, handguns are probably a better choice. Much like the skunk, you keep it on the back burner. It doesn't define your existence, but if you ever need it it's there.

When one faces a serious threat to one's life, one has a tendency to remember it, even decades later. Therapy helps in the short-term, but the memory lasts forever. And yes, I did think about it yesterday, but I didn't spend the entire day dwelling on it.

And, as I mentioned above, I didn't flee (I couldn't--there was no way I could get to the door without going past him); I fought back with what was available.

I don't have a pet skunk, but there are several cans of chicken soup in my humble abode (among other, more dangerous things). :)

Honestly, I have it on good authority(my own) that scalds suck.

Like... really suck.

If they could make a boiling water super-soaker, that would be godawful scary but great for home defense.


Yeah, while you're at it you can chuck some paint cans on string at them, heat up doorknobs, and sic your tarantula at them. That will really show those Wet Bandits!

I'll stick to cutting the pie with my carbine.
 
2014-03-02 10:05:50 PM  

doglover:  Honestly, I have it on good authority(my own) that scalds suck.

Like... really suck.

If they could make a boiling water super-soaker, that would be godawful scary ...


After seeing pics of the lady who got scalded by McDonald's coffee...ugh.


Farkage: gja: Lorelle: And, as I mentioned above, I didn't flee (I couldn't--there was no way I could get to the door without going past him

What? No windows?

They had bars on them.


No, the window didn't have bars on it. The next apartment I moved into was a second-story unit. No bars, and no break-ins, either.
 
2014-03-02 10:07:49 PM  

Lorelle: Dimensio: gja: RottenEggs: twiztedjustin: Good for her.

Also, I only managed to ignore 1 person out of 85 comments. Fark, you're slipping.

The trolls are staying away from this one.

And yet, Lorelle is here trollin hard and long.

Lorelle is not "trolling". She is sincerely outraged that a citizen legally possessed a firearm and, even more offensive to her moral beliefs, that the citizen legally used the firearm in a defensive fashion.

STOP TRYING TO SPOIL MY FUN, DAMNIT.

gja: Lorelle: And, as I mentioned above, I didn't flee (I couldn't--there was no way I could get to the door without going past him

What? No windows?

It was a studio apartment with one door and one big, long window in front. The kitchenette and bathroom were in the rear.


*warning: threadjack*

Groundbreaking legendary DJ Porky Chedwick died today, age 96. Well worth a google.

/part of my farkie for you says "music" so I picked you, Lorelle
//sorry?
 
2014-03-02 10:10:10 PM  

gja: I am enjoying this repartee immensely. It is like spit-roasting bugs on wire getting your ante up.
Too cold and out of season for fishing near me, so playing you like a trout on the end of a line will have to suffice.

BTW, if the bathroom was handy you might have tried flushing yourself. Or hiding in the shower and stopped breathing to trick him.
Of course the latter might have backfired if he was a necrophiliac.


Me, too! It's pretty boring here right now...the ground is still wet from a few days' worth of rain and the Oscars aren't on yet. Worst of all, the neighbor who uses medical marijuana apparently hasn't been toking up today. The wonderful aroma usually wafts up here by this time of the day (well, MOSTLY wonderful...sometimes said pot smells like skunk).
 
2014-03-02 10:10:22 PM  
Can we please get a Government Enforcer to take this woman's gun away so that she can be a good little victim like she's supposed to? I'm sick of people like this who unapologetically oppress underprivileged folks who were just about to turn their lives around.
 
2014-03-02 10:11:52 PM  

BigNumber12: Can we please get a Government Enforcer to take this woman's gun away so that she can be a good little victim like she's supposed to? I'm sick of people like this who unapologetically oppress underprivileged folks who were just about to turn their lives around.


encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2014-03-02 10:12:38 PM  

Ivan the Tolerable: ultraholland: The woman claims she warned the intruder

fixed

 I would believe it. Been reading a couple of studies on self-defense shootings, and warning the assailant is not only pretty common, it most often is the catalyst that actually serves to -escalate- the event into a shooting.
 Apparently, the kind of violent mind that does home invasions is also the kind of mind that lacks pity/empathy, and so cannot understand a victims unwillingness to hurt them purely on human decency/moral terms. They can only interpret the extra effort and exposure to risk a victim assumes by giving a warning as purely an empty threat - as weakness and an unwillingness to follow through. Really, they can not interpret it in any other terms, lacking any context in their own lives of empathy or selflessness. (i.e. They wouldn't stick their neck out for any total stranger, much less one trying to hurt them, so they misinterpret a victims warning as merely weakness or bluff).
 There are many cases of victims being clearly armed, even firing warning shots, and unarmed attackers charging them anyway. -Especially- after warning shots, strangely enough (even in one extreme case, when they came from a man firing bursts from a fully automatic rifle!). Those are quite often misinterpreted as a clear and unambiguous lack of a victims willingness to actually shoot a human; As the attackers themselves would not have hesitated or exposed themselves to undue risk for an attacker, they cannot correctly interpret the same behavior in others.


Despite what you are implying, the majority of the time that a firearm is used to stop a criminal (by non-police), the weapon is not fired.  Most criminals have enough brain power to understand the risk of going up against someone who is armed.  The number of crimes prevented is believed to exceed 2 million a year, though the exact number will never be known because many of these situations go unreported.  Sometimes that's because the police will automatically confiscate the firearm and have a nasty habit of not giving them back.
 
gja
2014-03-02 10:13:12 PM  

BigNumber12: Can we please get a Government Enforcer to take this woman's gun away so that she can be a good little victim like she's supposed to? I'm sick of people like this who unapologetically oppress underprivileged folks who were just about to turn their lives around.


Hey now! Governor Cuomo is working on just that effort here in NY.
 
2014-03-02 10:15:56 PM  

lindalouwho: *warning: threadjack*

Groundbreaking legendary DJ Porky Chedwick died today, age 96. Well worth a google.

/part of my farkie for you says "music" so I picked you, Lorelle
//sorry?


:(

I actually have heard of the guy...he ranks up there with Wolfman Jack and L.A. legends Huggie Boy and Art Laboe.
 
gad
2014-03-02 10:16:33 PM  

doglover: But guns are bad and are only used to shoot kids and have no legitimate place in society!


Absolutely. They are also good for suicides, murder suicides and accidental shootings of those kids in the house. And far more of them are killed than those people breaking in your house.
 
2014-03-02 10:18:02 PM  
doglover:
Squirrels flee from danger very successfully. But they live in constant terror and usually die in violence anyway. But skunks? Skunks own the forest. They, despite being walking snacks, have less stress than Willie Nelson three joints into breakfast. Why? Because of all the animals in the forest who fight, the skunk has the worst attack.

Dang!

That, my friend, is absolute, unconditional, 200 proof, pure eloquence.
 
gja
2014-03-02 10:19:03 PM  

Lorelle: (well, MOSTLY wonderful...sometimes said pot smells like skunk).


Uh, that is called "dank", kiddo. Usually indicative of the upper THC percentages strains. Actually quite desirable, especially to one using it medicinally. Less needed to smoke or relief=less smoking=less exposure to inhaled smoke.
That person would be better served with a vaporizer. No products of combustion inhaled.

/no, i do not smoke
//yes, i am an engineer and all things tech interest me, including the above tech
///i also invest in developing tech, and see e-cigs and vape units that sell well as vehicles for companies to be M&A targets so...$$$$
 
2014-03-02 10:21:09 PM  
Epic thread .  Lots of favorited Farkers. today. I do have to give Lorelle  credit for standing her ground here . Too bad the rest of the Fark trolls never bothered to show up : (
 
2014-03-02 10:24:39 PM  

gad: doglover: But guns are bad and are only used to shoot kids and have no legitimate place in society!

Absolutely. They are also good for suicides, murder suicides and accidental shootings of those kids in the house. And far more of them are killed than those people breaking in your house.


Suicides are a personal choice.
I grew up in a home with guns, no fatalities. No kids anyway.
Not planning on killing anyone, so no murder suicides this week.

Sounds like you're just a horrible person who wants to harm other people and you're afraid of that and you've attached those fears to an inanimate object as a symbol of the darkness in your own soul and it tears you up inside that sane people can pick up a gun and not hear the voices you must if that's honestly your opinion.
 
2014-03-02 10:25:02 PM  

gja: Lorelle: (well, MOSTLY wonderful...sometimes said pot smells like skunk).

Uh, that is called "dank", kiddo. Usually indicative of the upper THC percentages strains. Actually quite desirable, especially to one using it medicinally. Less needed to smoke or relief=less smoking=less exposure to inhaled smoke.
That person would be better served with a vaporizer. No products of combustion inhaled.

/no, i do not smoke
//yes, i am an engineer and all things tech interest me, including the above tech
///i also invest in developing tech, and see e-cigs and vape units that sell well as vehicles for companies to be M&A targets so...$$$$


When that dude smokes bad weed, the first thought that comes to mind is, "Oh shiat...now I have to close the windows."

RottenEggs: Epic thread .  Lots of favorited Farkers. today. I do have to give Lorelle  credit for standing her ground here . Too bad the rest of the Fark trolls never bothered to show up : (


So I've noticed.  SOMEONE has to keep things lively around here. I'm pissed that the others aren't doing their fair share.
 
2014-03-02 10:25:03 PM  

gad: doglover: But guns are bad and are only used to shoot kids and have no legitimate place in society!

Absolutely. They are also good for suicides, murder suicides and accidental shootings of those kids in the house. And far more of them are killed than those people breaking in your house.


2/10
 
2014-03-02 10:26:23 PM  

BigNumber12: Can we please get a Government Enforcer to take this woman's gun away so that she can be a good little victim like she's supposed to? I'm sick of people like this who unapologetically oppress underprivileged folks who were just about to turn their lives around.


Wow, you sure did wallop that strawman. I bet he'll never question your intellectual capacity again.
 
2014-03-02 10:26:25 PM  

Dimensio: the ha ha guy: /I've been called both a gun-grabber and an NRA shill. In the same thread. For the same comment...

Speculation: in a single post you endorsed both universal background checks while rejecting a ban on scary-looking rifles (due to the presence of handgrips that stick out from the stock) as ineffective.


Not even that, I speculated on the effectiveness of a full ban and confiscation of everything but bolt-action rifles. (I don't support bans or confiscation at all, I was just throwing the question out there for the uber-libs)

The gun-nuts rightfully called me a gun-grabber, but quite a few of the self-proclaimed liberals in that thread were unwilling to settle for anything less than a total confiscation of anything and everything that shoots any type of projectile.
 
2014-03-02 10:26:28 PM  

Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??

Are you even attempting to suggest a gun is as expensive as moving???

Depends...you can get family and friends to help you move.


And since your point is obviously to move to a safer place, the home prices will surely be the same in a better neighborhood, right?
 
gja
2014-03-02 10:27:00 PM  

RottenEggs: Epic thread .  Lots of favorited Farkers. today. I do have to give Lorelle  credit for standing her ground here . Too bad the rest of the Fark trolls never bothered to show up : (


They knew better. There is only so much derp you can allow to run in your veins before it causes spontaneous faker combustion.

I do have to give Lorelle  credit for standing her ground here .
Oooooh, I don't think that's a analogy she will like. You just Zimmed her.
 
gja
2014-03-02 10:28:47 PM  

the ha ha guy: but quite a few of the self-proclaimed liberals in that thread were unwilling to settle for anything less than a total confiscation of anything and everything that shoots any type of projectile.


Welp, there goes my penis!
 
2014-03-02 10:28:57 PM  
"Someone breaks into your house, you Kill him! That way there's only One side to the story." - G.Gordon Liddy
 
gja
2014-03-02 10:30:05 PM  

gja: RottenEggs: Epic thread .  Lots of favorited Farkers. today. I do have to give Lorelle  credit for standing her ground here . Too bad the rest of the Fark trolls never bothered to show up : (

They knew better. There is only so much derp you can allow to run in your veins before it causes spontaneous faRker combustion.

I do have to give Lorelle  credit for standing her ground here .
Oooooh, I don't think that's a analogy she will like. You just Zimmed her.


/FTFM
 
2014-03-02 10:30:32 PM  

quantum_jellyroll: doglover:
Squirrels flee from danger very successfully. But they live in constant terror and usually die in violence anyway. But skunks? Skunks own the forest. They, despite being walking snacks, have less stress than Willie Nelson three joints into breakfast. Why? Because of all the animals in the forest who fight, the skunk has the worst attack.

Dang!

That, my friend, is absolute, unconditional, 200 proof, pure eloquence.


I don't know if
I'm comin' or goin',
if it's them or me.
All I know is
Willie Neslon
sure smokes killer weed.
 
2014-03-02 10:33:15 PM  

Loren: My inclination would be "Stop! Your next step will be your last!"


I suspect that a good number of people would take that as "disrespect" and would feel compelled to put you in your place.
 
2014-03-02 10:36:53 PM  

veedeevadeevoodee: [media.giphy.com image 140x140]

/ no trial, no reports to file


Maybe next time you'll try reading the article.  I wouldn't wager on it, but it is a good suggestion.
 
2014-03-02 10:37:30 PM  
I'm going to go ahead and vote that someone breaking into a house is in fact news.
 
2014-03-02 10:45:29 PM  

FnkyTwn: If she's white she'll be plastered all over Fox for the next week. (especially if the dead guy is black)

If she's black this story won't make it past Monday. (Tuesday if the dead guy is black)

Conservatives like guns about as equally as they dislike the idea of blacks with guns.


If she's white, you can expect Al Sharpton to march on Detroit and demand she go to trial, and MSNBC will call her a racist that gunned down an unarmed 6 year old black boy.

See? I can make stupid generalizations, too.
 
2014-03-02 10:47:01 PM  

doglover: Dimensio: doglover: And that's really what weapons ownership is all about. You don't have a weapon because you want to use it, you have it because in the event you ever need it, you'll wish you had it. While you can jury rig a spear or sword out of household goods, handguns are probably a better choice. Much like the skunk, you keep it on the back burner. It doesn't define your existence, but if you ever need it it's there.

While I am uncertain as to my full opinion of your analogy of squirrels and skunks, I can state that I prefer it to the analogy of sheep and sheepdogs.

Because sheep and sheepdogs doesn't work.

Sheep will nig a farker up if you cross between ewes and lambs. Sheepdogs will, absent commands, probably befriend anyone with a piece of bacon or two.

Fight or flight, on the other hand... that works great. Both can save you, both have pros and cons. Ideally, you have both, but not everyone does.


Somebody doesn't understand how sheepdogs work.
 
gja
2014-03-02 10:47:14 PM  

FnkyTwn: If she's white she'll be plastered all over Fox for the next week. (especially if the dead guy is black)

If she's black this story won't make it past Monday. (Tuesday if the dead guy is black)

Conservatives like guns about as equally as they dislike the idea of blacks with guns.


img.fark.net
 
2014-03-02 10:50:22 PM  

TerminalEchoes: See? I can make stupid generalizations, too.


Sure, but the rest of us know how to  stop.
 
2014-03-02 10:52:00 PM  
For all the 'bars on the windows' comments...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8v3F1n8E-c

/SFW
//i think
///trying to sing it in my head...
 
2014-03-02 10:56:19 PM  
Amazing how libtards can't even wrap their head around a simple fact like "a man's home is his castle".  We can argue whether or not you have an obligation to respond with deadly force to an assault in public, but there should be no doubt whether or not someone entering your home without permission should be met with the highest amount of force possible.  Anyone who believes that you should retreat and give up your possessions to a burglar, please post your address here because I imagine there are a bunch of people happy to pay you a visit.
 
2014-03-02 10:57:14 PM  

cig-mkr: Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??

If everone is so broke, why was the dickhead breaking in ?
She proberly didn't have anything worth getting killed.


Burglars and home invaders have a habit of victimizing the poor. Especially if the perpetrator is on something. They don't usually case a place or really care if there's anything valuable. Plus everyone is assuming that the guy was a burglar. He could've been a rapist or some other type of whack job.
 
2014-03-02 10:58:47 PM  
Between this and the recent mass stabbing in China (27+ dead) it's going to be rough week for the anti gun nuts.
 
2014-03-02 11:01:01 PM  
She should do what I do, and just leave a bunch of vertical sharpened sticks coated in feces under each window. If they make it past that, I have a baseball bat coated in feces ready to go. I'm not some scaredy cat who needs to spend his hard earned money on a gun. I just make my own weapons out of common household items and feces when the moment arises that I need them.
 
2014-03-02 11:03:50 PM  

gja: Ivan the Tolerable: ultraholland: The woman claims she warned the intruder

fixed

 I would believe it. Been reading a couple of studies on self-defense shootings, and warning the assailant is not only pretty common, it most often is the catalyst that actually serves to -escalate- the event into a shooting.
 Apparently, the kind of violent mind that does home invasions is also the kind of mind that lacks pity/empathy, and so cannot understand a victims unwillingness to hurt them purely on human decency/moral terms. They can only interpret the extra effort and exposure to risk a victim assumes by giving a warning as purely an empty threat - as weakness and an unwillingness to follow through. Really, they can not interpret it in any other terms, lacking any context in their own lives of empathy or selflessness. (i.e. They wouldn't stick their neck out for any total stranger, much less one trying to hurt them, so they misinterpret a victims warning as merely weakness or bluff).
 There are many cases of victims being clearly armed, even firing warning shots, and unarmed attackers charging them anyway. -Especially- after warning shots, strangely enough (even in one extreme case, when they came from a man firing bursts from a fully automatic rifle!). Those are quite often misinterpreted as a clear and unambiguous lack of a victims willingness to actually shoot a human; As the attackers themselves would not have hesitated or exposed themselves to undue risk for an attacker, they cannot correctly interpret the same behavior in others.

I want to know, are you trying to intimate that firing a warning shot egged the intruder on and that woman is in any way wrong for doing so?
Or are you just pointing out an alleged study, in which case:


She properly didn't fire a warning shot. Warning shots are illegal and unsafe.
 
2014-03-02 11:05:28 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: doglover:
Only two kinds of people live in Detroit anymore: those who want to move but can't afford it and those who want to move but really can't afford it.

People often forget that there's a white area in Detroit (or just outside it?) that's quite uhh... white and safe.
I don't know why they would live in or near Detroit, but it's pretty normal from what I've heard.


Indian Village. Friend's parents lived there.

Or hipsters/the new yuppies in midtown and the surrounding neighborhoods.

Indian Village is a weird, weird place.
 
2014-03-02 11:07:38 PM  

gad: doglover: But guns are bad and are only used to shoot kids and have no legitimate place in society!

Absolutely. They are also good for suicides, murder suicides and accidental shootings of those kids in the house. And far more of them are killed than those people breaking in your house.


Except that 99.9% of the time a gun is used to repel an intruder, nobody is killed. So useless Kellerman stat is useless.
 
gja
2014-03-02 11:08:48 PM  

mschwenk: gja: Ivan the Tolerable: ultraholland: The woman claims she warned the intruder

fixed

 I would believe it. Been reading a couple of studies on self-defense shootings, and warning the assailant is not only pretty common, it most often is the catalyst that actually serves to -escalate- the event into a shooting.
 Apparently, the kind of violent mind that does home invasions is also the kind of mind that lacks pity/empathy, and so cannot understand a victims unwillingness to hurt them purely on human decency/moral terms. They can only interpret the extra effort and exposure to risk a victim assumes by giving a warning as purely an empty threat - as weakness and an unwillingness to follow through. Really, they can not interpret it in any other terms, lacking any context in their own lives of empathy or selflessness. (i.e. They wouldn't stick their neck out for any total stranger, much less one trying to hurt them, so they misinterpret a victims warning as merely weakness or bluff).
 There are many cases of victims being clearly armed, even firing warning shots, and unarmed attackers charging them anyway. -Especially- after warning shots, strangely enough (even in one extreme case, when they came from a man firing bursts from a fully automatic rifle!). Those are quite often misinterpreted as a clear and unambiguous lack of a victims willingness to actually shoot a human; As the attackers themselves would not have hesitated or exposed themselves to undue risk for an attacker, they cannot correctly interpret the same behavior in others.

I want to know, are you trying to intimate that firing a warning shot egged the intruder on and that woman is in any way wrong for doing so?
Or are you just pointing out an alleged study, in which case:

She properly didn't fire a warning shot. Warning shots are illegal and unsafe.


I agree, and know that is so. However I was examining only the concept of said warning shot (or any warning of any type) to be incitement for the intruder to further advance or do so more ardently. And that those actions might be deemed to be encouragement.
And that, I think, is utter rubbish.
 
2014-03-02 11:08:58 PM  

cig-mkr: genner: cig-mkr: Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??

If everone is so broke, why was the dickhead breaking in ?
She proberly didn't have anything worth getting killed.

Probably wanted to steal her gun.....

And wound up on the wrong end of that deal.


Well, she at least gave him some ammo
 
2014-03-02 11:14:18 PM  
Somehow, I'm OK with this!
 
2014-03-02 11:17:38 PM  

gja: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: gja: Lorelle: anuran: Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??

Decent used revolver: $200
Bars on windows: Easily a couple thousand bucks.
Moving: Tens of thousands, especially since you'll have to sell your high-crime home for a loss.

Replacing broken windows eight times isn't costly??

Oh group up you horses ass. You do not win this one, little miss 'no guns'.

BTW, window panes are about 5-10 bucks. Moving is just a tad more (like 10000 times more at least).

I don't care about your argument - the intruder had it coming.

I do want to know where you're getting home window panes for only $10. That's an incredible deal!

Buy the glass and do the glazing yourself. The glass is cheap at local places for simple panes. Right-angle cuts and nothing bigger than 2'x3'.
Single layer is cheap stuff.


This. The tools for cutting glass and doing glazing used to be a standard part of a home tool kit. Single pane glass is extremely common in poor areas.
 
2014-03-02 11:25:09 PM  

clarksvegas: basic hi point c-9 (tiny 9mm bullet) goes for about $189 retail


I try to avoid caliber wars - 9mm is 'good enough'.  It's when you start getting below 9mm that you start losing serious stopping power - .380 ACP, for example,  I think is a bit puny for stopping a man.

As always, the ability to hit your target trumps caliber.  A hit with a .22 is going to do more to stop somebody than a miss with a .50.
 
2014-03-02 11:25:19 PM  

Ivan the Tolerable: ultraholland: The woman claims she warned the intruder

fixed

 I would believe it. Been reading a couple of studies on self-defense shootings, and warning the assailant is not only pretty common, it most often is the catalyst that actually serves to -escalate- the event into a shooting.
 Apparently, the kind of violent mind that does home invasions is also the kind of mind that lacks pity/empathy, and so cannot understand a victims unwillingness to hurt them purely on human decency/moral terms. They can only interpret the extra effort and exposure to risk a victim assumes by giving a warning as purely an empty threat - as weakness and an unwillingness to follow through. Really, they can not interpret it in any other terms, lacking any context in their own lives of empathy or selflessness. (i.e. They wouldn't stick their neck out for any total stranger, much less one trying to hurt them, so they misinterpret a victims warning as merely weakness or bluff).
 There are many cases of victims being clearly armed, even firing warning shots, and unarmed attackers charging them anyway. -Especially- after warning shots, strangely enough (even in one extreme case, when they came from a man firing bursts from a fully automatic rifle!). Those are quite often misinterpreted as a clear and unambiguous lack of a victims willingness to actually shoot a human; As the attackers themselves would not have hesitated or exposed themselves to undue risk for an attacker, they cannot correctly interpret the same behavior in others.


so, a legal shoot saves the tax payer the cost of prosecuting the assailant if he charges in to a deadly hail of bullets.  Go to know.
 
2014-03-02 11:27:09 PM  

RottenEggs: Why didn't she call the police and run from the house or retreat to the farthest room in the house ? The police would have been there sooner or later . Why hang around when she could have clearly gotten away ? This could have been avoided . I bet this responsible gun owner creamed her jeans at the chance to kill someone

/Trollin


Yeah, When a roof starts leaking on a home, some people yell and scream before calling a roofer - others just take a few minutes to patch it themselves. Which is the better option?
 
2014-03-02 11:27:38 PM  

SCUBA_Archer: Amazing how libtards can't even wrap their head around a simple fact like "a man's home is his castle".  We can argue whether or not you have an obligation to respond with deadly force to an assault in public, but there should be no doubt whether or not someone entering your home without permission should be met with the highest amount of force possible.  Anyone who believes that you should retreat and give up your possessions to a burglar, please post your address here because I imagine there are a bunch of people happy to pay you a visit.


Amazing now rethuglicans, liburtdarians, blood drinkers and herp-a-derp boostrappy types who can almost count to potatoe are incapable of reading. This thread has been full of people to the left of Ivan the Terrible. Their usual comment has been "Nice shot."

But that doesn't fit The Narrative. There isn't an opportunity to screech "Fartbongo! Benghazi! Clinton got a blowjob! Wharrrr-garble!" So in typical echo chamber conservative style you just ignore it and go on with your incessant braying.
 
2014-03-02 11:30:29 PM  

gja: mschwenk: gja: Ivan the Tolerable: ultraholland: The woman claims she warned the intruder

fixed

 I would believe it. Been reading a couple of studies on self-defense shootings, and warning the assailant is not only pretty common, it most often is the catalyst that actually serves to -escalate- the event into a shooting.
 Apparently, the kind of violent mind that does home invasions is also the kind of mind that lacks pity/empathy, and so cannot understand a victims unwillingness to hurt them purely on human decency/moral terms. They can only interpret the extra effort and exposure to risk a victim assumes by giving a warning as purely an empty threat - as weakness and an unwillingness to follow through. Really, they can not interpret it in any other terms, lacking any context in their own lives of empathy or selflessness. (i.e. They wouldn't stick their neck out for any total stranger, much less one trying to hurt them, so they misinterpret a victims warning as merely weakness or bluff).
 There are many cases of victims being clearly armed, even firing warning shots, and unarmed attackers charging them anyway. -Especially- after warning shots, strangely enough (even in one extreme case, when they came from a man firing bursts from a fully automatic rifle!). Those are quite often misinterpreted as a clear and unambiguous lack of a victims willingness to actually shoot a human; As the attackers themselves would not have hesitated or exposed themselves to undue risk for an attacker, they cannot correctly interpret the same behavior in others.

I want to know, are you trying to intimate that firing a warning shot egged the intruder on and that woman is in any way wrong for doing so?
Or are you just pointing out an alleged study, in which case:

She properly didn't fire a warning shot. Warning shots are illegal and unsafe.

I agree, and know that is so. However I was examining only the concept of said warning shot (or any warning of any type) to be incitement for the intruder to further advance or do so more ardently. And that those actions might be deemed to be encouragement.
And that, I think, is utter rubbish.


I'd agree in most cases. Except when someone is on certain types of drugs.

One of the problems with studies is that they tend to assume that a particular answer is the correct answer in all situations. Researchers tend to overlook how different every situation is.
 
2014-03-02 11:31:38 PM  

SCUBA_Archer: Amazing how libtards can't even wrap their head around a simple fact like "a man's home is his castle".  We can argue whether or not you have an obligation to respond with deadly force to an assault in public, but there should be no doubt whether or not someone entering your home without permission should be met with the highest amount of force possible.  Anyone who believes that you should retreat and give up your possessions to a burglar, please post your address here because I imagine there are a bunch of people happy to pay you a visit.


It's really demeaning to call people libtards, inferring somehow they are liberal democrats.  Call them what they are, Socialists.
 
2014-03-02 11:47:36 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: jayphat: She really needs to put a sign out front.

"Number of Break-ins"
"Number of shiatheads I've shot dead"

I was thinking something on the order of little kill-markers - perhaps cartoon thieves - under the windows and beside the doors.


Ah. You're thinking of the equivalent of this:
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-02 11:51:23 PM  

way south: hardinparamedic: Wait. Wait.  I KNOW WHY YOU WANT A HI POINT.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 800x311]

You can be all high speed and tacticool on a budget, Yo!

That model is actually the best thing hi-point makes,  and pistol carbines aren't usually that affordable.
...But they are more accurate, easy to handle, get better range. Perfect for home defense.

/Mother of three used one to chase off some hoodlums a few headlines ago.
/If kel-tec would get its act together, they'd be selling alot more sub-2000's in that catagory.


I have a SU-16 that is one more lock-up away from getting thrown into a chipper-shredder.

Never really wanted an AR but now that I have one I am embarrassed at how much time I have spent beating on that Kel-Tec with a hammer.
 
Rat [TotalFark]
2014-03-03 12:04:19 AM  
Saved him from paying taxes on all that stolen stuff.

http://www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch12.html#en_US_2013_publink10001 7 2141
 
2014-03-03 12:06:38 AM  

WelldeadLink: Benevolent Misanthrope: jayphat: She really needs to put a sign out front.

"Number of Break-ins"
"Number of shiatheads I've shot dead"

I was thinking something on the order of little kill-markers - perhaps cartoon thieves - under the windows and beside the doors.

Ah. You're thinking of the equivalent of this:
[i.imgur.com image 850x382]


Yes.  Exactly - except with pictures of thieves instead of bombs.
 
2014-03-03 12:14:23 AM  

Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.


There are some cities (not sure if Detroit is one of them) that make it against the law to have burglar bars on your home.
 
2014-03-03 12:16:04 AM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: doglover: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

With what money?

Only two kinds of people live in Detroit anymore: those who want to move but can't afford it and those who want to move but really can't afford it.

Bars on the windows is a good way to die in a fire. Especially in an arson prone town like detroit. Furthermore if you have the nerve to pull a home invasion on someone, and you get shot to death in the process fark you to you deserved it.


All window coverings, including bars, are required by law to be able to be opened from the inside.
 
2014-03-03 12:17:22 AM  

Rat: Saved him from paying taxes on all that stolen stuff.

™ http://www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch12.html#en_US_2013_publink10001 7 2141


And this ought to be mentioned, too:
http://www.irs.gov/uac/Whistleblower-Informant-Award

Live in a neighborhood full of thieving, drug dealing dirtbags - and the local cops turn a blind eye? Turn it into an opportunity!
 
2014-03-03 12:26:44 AM  

hardinparamedic: Livinglush: So where are these comparison reports? I would love to see them and I will gladly change my opinion.

[www.thetruthaboutguns.com image 850x637]

You might like it. I don't. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, either. And you can google the reports of the C9 Blowing up in people's hands if you want to read them.

I'll stick to my Walther/S&W


Almost always being ammo related and the shooter didn't catch the squib. You can punch an any model of firearm and find a horror story on Google. I saw a 1911 blow up for that reason, pics at least were on InGunOwners' site.  Also the last big recall on firearms was S&W, a big name out there.
 
2014-03-03 12:42:11 AM  

duffblue: Ah Detroit: what 50 years of liberal leadership gets you.


No, Ann Arbor is an example of  actual liberal government in action, and it happens to fall on "Best Places To Live In The United States" lists all the time.

Detroit is an example of what happens when a huge industry is the only major employer in an area, and then decides to pack up and move all the jobs to Mexico, Asia, or Canada because the American market for that industry failed to diversify and follow the examples of their competition in the far east.

As for government in Detroit, the people who run for office there aren't Republicans OR Democrats; They're just plain corrupt. Some might qualify as plutocrats, but I think most of them are simply opportunists who realize they have the opportunity to get elected (because nobody decent wants to live there and run for office) and exploit the position to steal from the city and the people. The entire Detroit government has been loaded with criminals who put a "D" after their name because it was what worked in that town. If you'd like, we can compile a list of cities and towns in the southern United States with equally corrupt governments comprised of people with an "R" after their name. There are more of those than there are of the other.

You want an example of ACTUAL liberal leadership and government? It's called Denmark. And they're doing more than OK with all three of their major parties embracing some variety of liberalism. Most of the Scandinavian region is far more liberal than Detroit ever was, and it's one of the nicest places on Earth to live.

So you keep spewing that lie. Those of us who actually lived in Detroit know the truth, and those who live in actual liberal nations and cities can easily disprove your theories.

But if you wanna talk about some of the conservative towns in South Carolina, Mississippi, Alabama, North Carolina, etc...
 
2014-03-03 12:54:34 AM  
I love how when you suggest that maybe making sure crazy people don't get their hands on a gun or keeping your gun away from your stupid kid means that you're saying that there are no legitimate times to use a weapon and they should all be banned.
 
2014-03-03 01:02:57 AM  

Penman: Lorelle: I defended myself with what I had on hand: a small pot of boiling chicken soup (I was standing at the stove in the kitchen when the break-in occurred). The guy yelled and ran out of my apartment.

So you understand the importance of being armed.
Though in many states, using that soup as a weapon would get you arrested for "harming" the poor robber.. they care about the victim more than you.


Ya there are several laws on the books that protect armed people who break into your home with intent to commit  further crimes, for instance... Name a single farking one you idiot troll.

I've seen people sued for "booby trapping" their unoccupied business, but not a single law or case in which someone broke into a home was injured by the home owner and won. It's never happened. You're an idiot.
 
2014-03-03 01:12:30 AM  

squirrelflavoredyogurt: Penman: Lorelle: I defended myself with what I had on hand: a small pot of boiling chicken soup (I was standing at the stove in the kitchen when the break-in occurred). The guy yelled and ran out of my apartment.

So you understand the importance of being armed.
Though in many states, using that soup as a weapon would get you arrested for "harming" the poor robber.. they care about the victim more than you.

Ya there are several laws on the books that protect armed people who break into your home with intent to commit  further crimes, for instance... Name a single farking one you idiot troll.

I've seen people sued for "booby trapping" their unoccupied business, but not a single law or case in which someone broke into a home was injured by the home owner and won. It's never happened. You're an idiot.


Once read about a guy who broke into a home, got stuck in the garage for two days, not only went free, but successfully sued the homeowners.  I'll see if I can find the story.
 
2014-03-03 01:18:14 AM  

way south: /If kel-tec would get its act together, they'd be selling alot more sub-2000's in that catagory.


They're never going to get their act together.  I've given up on them as anything other than a novelty gun maker.  Hell, I got rid of my P3AT and bought an LCP because the fit and finish was so much better.  Dumped a P11, and have stopped looking for an RFB, PMR-30, or a KSG, not to mention the Sub-2000 I tried to pick up forever.
 
2014-03-03 01:20:43 AM  

RatMaster999: squirrelflavoredyogurt: Penman: Lorelle: I defended myself with what I had on hand: a small pot of boiling chicken soup (I was standing at the stove in the kitchen when the break-in occurred). The guy yelled and ran out of my apartment.

So you understand the importance of being armed.
Though in many states, using that soup as a weapon would get you arrested for "harming" the poor robber.. they care about the victim more than you.

Ya there are several laws on the books that protect armed people who break into your home with intent to commit  further crimes, for instance... Name a single farking one you idiot troll.

I've seen people sued for "booby trapping" their unoccupied business, but not a single law or case in which someone broke into a home was injured by the home owner and won. It's never happened. You're an idiot.

Once read about a guy who broke into a home, got stuck in the garage for two days, not only went free, but successfully sued the homeowners.  I'll see if I can find the story.


This might be the one I was thinking of:

Man gets stuck in garage after burglary, sues family:
Terrence Dickson, of Bristol, Pennsylvania, who was leaving a house he had just burglarized by way of the garage. Unfortunately for Dickson, the automatic garage door opener malfunctioned and he could not get the garage door to open. Worse, he couldn't re-enter the house because the door connecting the garage to the house locked when Dickson pulled it shut. Forced to sit for eight, count 'em, EIGHT, days on a case of Pepsi and a large bag of dry dog food, he sued the homeowner's insurance company claiming undue mental Anguish. Amazingly, the jury said the insurance company must pay Dickson $500,000 for his anguish.

http://besteverawards.wordpress.com/2009/07/27/most-ridiculous-lawsu it s-ever-ever/

However, a quick poke around shows this is fake.  Guess I was wrong.


There's also this bullshiat:
http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/01/09/britain-outlaws-a-homeowners- se lf-defense-against-intruders/
 
2014-03-03 01:28:15 AM  

BayouOtter: NO.
HiPoint pistols and rifles are
A) Made of shiatty pot metal which will split, explode, and fail at the drop of a hat.
B) Are poorly made and will not fit you comfortably AT ALL
C) All use a strait-blowback operation so they are punishing to shoot.

I've seen used police trade-in and surplus Glocks for 300$, Ruger LCPs and such for 200-250$, buy one of those.


This. You don't have to pay that much more for a quality firearm, you're not saving anything if it has a much higher chance to fail when you need it to work. Even a surplus pistol like a Makarov would be a far better choice.
 
2014-03-03 01:29:57 AM  

doglover: But guns are bad and are only used to shoot kids and have no legitimate place in society!


AngryDragon: Can't be.  Defensive firearm use is a Fark myth.  All firearms owners are just waiting for the opportunity to gun down an innocent child for some perceived slight.  This is irresponsible reporting.


The two of you need to read this guy's post.

a particular individual: One thing I've learned from this thread is that conservatives have no idea how liberals in the real world feel about self-defense and responsible gun ownership. Here's a hint: We're not the stupid, pie-in-the-sky, la-di-dah caricatures Rush Limbaugh and Ted Nugent tell you we are.


Because you guys reek of some kind of desperate desire to protect your guns from the nobody that's going to take them.
 
2014-03-03 01:31:47 AM  

SCUBA_Archer: Amazing how libtards can't even wrap their head around a simple fact like "a man's home is his castle".  We can argue whether or not you have an obligation to respond with deadly force to an assault in public, but there should be no doubt whether or not someone entering your home without permission should be met with the highest amount of force possible.  Anyone who believes that you should retreat and give up your possessions to a burglar, please post your address here because I imagine there are a bunch of people happy to pay you a visit.


There isn't any such doubt. Nobody is saying this homeowner did wrong. What the fark is wrong with you? What are you responding to?
 
2014-03-03 01:43:04 AM  

LavenderWolf: doglover: But guns are bad and are only used to shoot kids and have no legitimate place in society!

AngryDragon: Can't be.  Defensive firearm use is a Fark myth.  All firearms owners are just waiting for the opportunity to gun down an innocent child for some perceived slight.  This is irresponsible reporting.

The two of you need to read this guy's post.

a particular individual: One thing I've learned from this thread is that conservatives have no idea how liberals in the real world feel about self-defense and responsible gun ownership. Here's a hint: We're not the stupid, pie-in-the-sky, la-di-dah caricatures Rush Limbaugh and Ted Nugent tell you we are.

Because you guys reek of some kind of desperate desire to protect your guns from the nobody that's going to take them.


And you need to actually read a history book that wasn't written for the public school system.

Also, 48 Laws of Power. That's required reading to have a valid opinion in politics.
 
2014-03-03 01:57:49 AM  

doglover: LavenderWolf: doglover: But guns are bad and are only used to shoot kids and have no legitimate place in society!

AngryDragon: Can't be.  Defensive firearm use is a Fark myth.  All firearms owners are just waiting for the opportunity to gun down an innocent child for some perceived slight.  This is irresponsible reporting.

The two of you need to read this guy's post.

a particular individual: One thing I've learned from this thread is that conservatives have no idea how liberals in the real world feel about self-defense and responsible gun ownership. Here's a hint: We're not the stupid, pie-in-the-sky, la-di-dah caricatures Rush Limbaugh and Ted Nugent tell you we are.

Because you guys reek of some kind of desperate desire to protect your guns from the nobody that's going to take them.

And you need to actually read a history book that wasn't written for the public school system.

Also, 48 Laws of Power. That's required reading to have a valid opinion in politics.


I'm not talking about history, I'm talking about right now.

Right now, gun owner ship in the USA is 100% secure. A classroom full of dead kids isn't enough to sway the American population. Right now, the people constantly accused of trying/wanting to take your guns have absolutely zero interest in doing so.

Past gun confiscation by others is completely irrelevant to people who don't share that viewpoint at all. Democrats aren't trying, and haven't tried, to do anything major to gun ownership rights in my entire political memory. Dirty librul here, huge fan of guns. Almost everyone I know likes guns. In fact I don't know a single person who thinks that gun ownership should be illegal.

Who are you arguing against? Who is trying to take your guns? Why do you attribute this "gun grabber" attitude to everyone left of you on the political spectrum? I am of course referring to both you and the other person I originally quoted.
 
2014-03-03 02:00:59 AM  

bigsteve3OOO: There is no difference between this incident and Trayvon.  Bad person got shot trying to injure innocent person.


Because Trayvon was breaking into houses when Zimmerman shot him, right?

What's the point in this sort of stupid trolling?  You just try and say the stupidest thing you can come up with, so everyone will know you're an idiot?  I really don't get it.
 
2014-03-03 02:30:29 AM  
LavenderWolf: It's thirty-forty years of Pavlovian conditioning by the NRA and the GOP. "Them librul commies is comin' to TAKE YOR GUNS!!! Unless you send us your prayers and $500 they'll leave you defenseless and filthy Negroes will violate our Precious White Women"
 
2014-03-03 03:01:39 AM  
I do not own a firearm, but believe in the right to own one and do not think that right should be taken just because a few criminals ruin it for the rest of you. No one talks about taking everyone's knives when people get stabbed, no one talks about taking everyone's cars when someone gets run over. One thing in this thread has me a bit weary, all the posts dealing with how ugly a brand of gun is. Does your desire for weapons come from self-defense, or is it a fashion accessory? Are you trying to defend your property, or playing a game of dress up Barbie? I hope you feel safer because of a pretty gun, when I buy one it will be for function, not because it matches my shoes.
 
2014-03-03 03:08:16 AM  

aNihilV10L8tr: I do not own a firearm, but believe in the right to own one and do not think that right should be taken just because a few criminals ruin it for the rest of you. No one talks about taking everyone's knives when people get stabbed, no one talks about taking everyone's cars when someone gets run over. One thing in this thread has me a bit weary, all the posts dealing with how ugly a brand of gun is. Does your desire for weapons come from self-defense, or is it a fashion accessory? Are you trying to defend your property, or playing a game of dress up Barbie? I hope you feel safer because of a pretty gun, when I buy one it will be for function, not because it matches my shoes.


Does looks have anything to do with what car you drive?


Just because I can use it as a way to defend myself doesn't mean it can't also be viewed as a piece of art.
 
2014-03-03 03:25:04 AM  

anuran: LavenderWolf: It's thirty-forty years of Pavlovian conditioning by the NRA and the GOP. "Them librul commies is comin' to TAKE YOR GUNS!!! Unless you send us your prayers and $500 they'll leave you defenseless and filthy Negroes will violate our Precious White Women"


And every damn time someone uses a firearm appropriately - something I think very few people have a problem with - the victims of that conditioning flock to the internet to proclaim to all the lands that the noble, persecuted gun-owning portion of the population has scored another victory against the EVIL GUN GRABBERS.

It's like... "Dude. Let's go to the range and then get drunk. You might realize how pro-firearm liberal people really are.
 
2014-03-03 03:25:39 AM  
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2014-03-03 03:29:58 AM  

LavenderWolf: I'm not talking about history, I'm talking about right now.



Anytime you say you're not talking about history, you're not only wrong but also walking a well-trod path to failure. Advancement comes from knowledge, knowledge comes from experience, and experience from mistakes. You can skip making the mistakes yourself step by reading books. A few years of reading the right books and you might even realize why no one is swayed by online arguments in general or yours in particular.
 
2014-03-03 03:37:58 AM  

doglover: LavenderWolf: I'm not talking about history, I'm talking about right now.


Anytime you say you're not talking about history, you're not only wrong but also walking a well-trod path to failure. Advancement comes from knowledge, knowledge comes from experience, and experience from mistakes. You can skip making the mistakes yourself step by reading books. A few years of reading the right books and you might even realize why no one is swayed by online arguments in general or yours in particular.


You're not addressing anything I am saying at all. You diverted to tell me I didn't know history, and now you won't drop the subject. I know enough history to be on the same side of this issue as you, so why don't you step off the idiotic off-topic banter. Liberal people are not trying to take your guns. Shut the hell up, you Boy-who-cried-wolf fool, because when gun rights are actually under threat I would like to know. You're destroying the signal-to-noise ratio on threats to gun ownership.

Constantly crowing about people who want to take your guns when those people do not in fact want to take your guns has nothing to do with lessons learned from history. It is just paranoid delusion, plain and simple. You guys think *everything* is a sign that the gun grabbers are coming.

youarenothelping.jpg

/I support gun ownership 100%
//And people like you are the biggest problem with the gun owner image.
///Gun ownership is about guns, not your goddamn mouth.
 
2014-03-03 03:40:27 AM  
How do you know if a Republican owns a gun? Don't worry, they'll tell you. Over and over again. And damn you for opposing his right to do so, whether you actually oppose that right or not.

How do you know if a Democrat owns a gun? You don't...
 
2014-03-03 03:45:09 AM  

LavenderWolf: doglover: LavenderWolf: I'm not talking about history, I'm talking about right now.


Anytime you say you're not talking about history, you're not only wrong but also walking a well-trod path to failure. Advancement comes from knowledge, knowledge comes from experience, and experience from mistakes. You can skip making the mistakes yourself step by reading books. A few years of reading the right books and you might even realize why no one is swayed by online arguments in general or yours in particular.

You're not addressing anything I am saying at all. You diverted to tell me I didn't know history, and now you won't drop the subject. I know enough history to be on the same side of this issue as you, so why don't you step off the idiotic off-topic banter. Liberal people are not trying to take your guns. Shut the hell up, you Boy-who-cried-wolf fool, because when gun rights are actually under threat I would like to know. You're destroying the signal-to-noise ratio on threats to gun ownership.

Constantly crowing about people who want to take your guns when those people do not in fact want to take your guns has nothing to do with lessons learned from history. It is just paranoid delusion, plain and simple. You guys think *everything* is a sign that the gun grabbers are coming.

youarenothelping.jpg

/I support gun ownership 100%
//And people like you are the biggest problem with the gun owner image.
///Gun ownership is about guns, not your goddamn mouth.


http://www.cga.ct.gov/2013/rpt/2013-R-0241.htm

Nope, this isn't the first step in collecting guns from legitimate owners.
 
2014-03-03 03:50:38 AM  

RatMaster999: LavenderWolf: doglover: LavenderWolf: I'm not talking about history, I'm talking about right now.


Anytime you say you're not talking about history, you're not only wrong but also walking a well-trod path to failure. Advancement comes from knowledge, knowledge comes from experience, and experience from mistakes. You can skip making the mistakes yourself step by reading books. A few years of reading the right books and you might even realize why no one is swayed by online arguments in general or yours in particular.

You're not addressing anything I am saying at all. You diverted to tell me I didn't know history, and now you won't drop the subject. I know enough history to be on the same side of this issue as you, so why don't you step off the idiotic off-topic banter. Liberal people are not trying to take your guns. Shut the hell up, you Boy-who-cried-wolf fool, because when gun rights are actually under threat I would like to know. You're destroying the signal-to-noise ratio on threats to gun ownership.

Constantly crowing about people who want to take your guns when those people do not in fact want to take your guns has nothing to do with lessons learned from history. It is just paranoid delusion, plain and simple. You guys think *everything* is a sign that the gun grabbers are coming.

youarenothelping.jpg

/I support gun ownership 100%
//And people like you are the biggest problem with the gun owner image.
///Gun ownership is about guns, not your goddamn mouth.

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2013/rpt/2013-R-0241.htm

Nope, this isn't the first step in collecting guns from legitimate owners.



Oh, and this...

http://www.ct.gov/despp/lib/despp/slfu/firearms/despp-0788-c_magazin e_ declaration.pdf
 
2014-03-03 04:00:49 AM  

RatMaster999: RatMaster999: LavenderWolf: doglover: LavenderWolf: I'm not talking about history, I'm talking about right now.


Anytime you say you're not talking about history, you're not only wrong but also walking a well-trod path to failure. Advancement comes from knowledge, knowledge comes from experience, and experience from mistakes. You can skip making the mistakes yourself step by reading books. A few years of reading the right books and you might even realize why no one is swayed by online arguments in general or yours in particular.

You're not addressing anything I am saying at all. You diverted to tell me I didn't know history, and now you won't drop the subject. I know enough history to be on the same side of this issue as you, so why don't you step off the idiotic off-topic banter. Liberal people are not trying to take your guns. Shut the hell up, you Boy-who-cried-wolf fool, because when gun rights are actually under threat I would like to know. You're destroying the signal-to-noise ratio on threats to gun ownership.

Constantly crowing about people who want to take your guns when those people do not in fact want to take your guns has nothing to do with lessons learned from history. It is just paranoid delusion, plain and simple. You guys think *everything* is a sign that the gun grabbers are coming.

youarenothelping.jpg

/I support gun ownership 100%
//And people like you are the biggest problem with the gun owner image.
///Gun ownership is about guns, not your goddamn mouth.

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2013/rpt/2013-R-0241.htm

Nope, this isn't the first step in collecting guns from legitimate owners.


Oh, and this...

http://www.ct.gov/despp/lib/despp/slfu/firearms/despp-0788-c_magazin e_ declaration.pdf


Both of your links are just gibbering about the line where civilians are no longer allowed to have certain hardware. Some people think it should be with assault rifles (which, yes, are a thing and are real) being illegal, others think the line should be drawn farther up the chain of lethality, still others think no line need be drawn at all.

I'd agree that the "Assault weapons" ban is stupid - especially as is. This is not a "major thing" nor do I think it is leading to any kind of gun grabber fantasy Red Dawn scenario. Over the last few years, gun ownership in general has had obstacles reduced, not increased, and don't pretend otherwise. The weapons industry is enjoying a boom. What are you pretending for? We won. We are still winning.
 
2014-03-03 04:18:19 AM  
LavenderWolf:
Both of your links are just gibbering about the line where civilians are no longer allowed to have certain hardware. Some people think it should be with assault rifles (which, yes, are a thing and are real) being illegal, others think the line should be drawn farther up the chain of lethality, still others think no line need be drawn at all.

I'd agree that the "Assault weapons" ban is stupid - especially as is. This is not a "major thing" nor do I think it is leading to any kind of gun grabber fantasy Red Dawn scenario. Over the last few years, gun ownership in general has had obstacles reduced, not increased, and don't pretend otherwise. The weapons industry is enjoying a boom. What are you pretending for? We won. We are still winning
...

And even though we've won - Heller, first President in years to remove carry restrictions (Obama), the rise of SYG aka "Kill the Witnesses" - fewer homes per capita have firearms.
 
2014-03-03 04:23:49 AM  

anuran: LavenderWolf:
Both of your links are just gibbering about the line where civilians are no longer allowed to have certain hardware. Some people think it should be with assault rifles (which, yes, are a thing and are real) being illegal, others think the line should be drawn farther up the chain of lethality, still others think no line need be drawn at all.

I'd agree that the "Assault weapons" ban is stupid - especially as is. This is not a "major thing" nor do I think it is leading to any kind of gun grabber fantasy Red Dawn scenario. Over the last few years, gun ownership in general has had obstacles reduced, not increased, and don't pretend otherwise. The weapons industry is enjoying a boom. What are you pretending for? We won. We are still winning.  ...

And even though we've won - Heller, first President in years to remove carry restrictions (Obama), the rise of SYG aka "Kill the Witnesses" - fewer homes per capita have firearms.


Not everyone is interested in owning guns. I think the "omg they're grabbing our guns" crowd is partly to blame. They have a lot of people convinced that gun ownership involves a lot of bullshiat even though in most places in the US it's less legally complex than buying a used car.
 
2014-03-03 04:28:58 AM  

LavenderWolf: You're not addressing anything I am saying at all.


Because it's not worth addressing. We're here to yell at each other and post dick jokes in between sessions of boredom at a dead end job. It's the internet.
 
2014-03-03 04:34:14 AM  

doglover: LavenderWolf: You're not addressing anything I am saying at all.

Because it's not worth addressing. We're here to yell at each other and post dick jokes in between sessions of boredom at a dead end job. It's the internet.


Posting vague statements about your gun grabber boogeyman and how other people need to learn history before talking are not the actions of someone who wasn't trying to make a serious statement. You're just at the "Deny, distract, distance" point in the Red Dawn gun nut playbook.
 
2014-03-03 05:05:58 AM  

caeroe: hardinparamedic: Livinglush: So where are these comparison reports? I would love to see them and I will gladly change my opinion.

[www.thetruthaboutguns.com image 850x637]

You might like it. I don't. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, either. And you can google the reports of the C9 Blowing up in people's hands if you want to read them.

I'll stick to my Walther/S&W

Almost always being ammo related and the shooter didn't catch the squib. You can punch an any model of firearm and find a horror story on Google. I saw a 1911 blow up for that reason, pics at least were on InGunOwners' site.  Also the last big recall on firearms was S&W, a big name out there.


Hipoints are ugly, and can bite your hand (if you got huge manbearpaws and hold it wrong), but they are reliable*, fairly accurate (mostly due to outdated simple blowback design) and they don't usually blow up.

Gun snobbery only serves gun manufacturers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbvvurXmAmg Intro to HP pistols (warning: mild racism/culturalism at the end)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FoWpog5KU4 Shenanigans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKkQm5TRaWE How to blow up a HiPoint C9

*as long as you get one of the 9/10 mags that actually works.
 
2014-03-03 05:10:05 AM  

LavenderWolf: doglover: LavenderWolf: You're not addressing anything I am saying at all.

Because it's not worth addressing. We're here to yell at each other and post dick jokes in between sessions of boredom at a dead end job. It's the internet.

Posting vague statements about your gun grabber boogeyman and how other people need to learn history before talking are not the actions of someone who wasn't trying to make a serious statement. You're just at the "Deny, distract, distance" point in the Red Dawn gun nut playbook.


Do you like bananas?
 
2014-03-03 05:20:04 AM  

doglover: LavenderWolf: doglover: LavenderWolf: You're not addressing anything I am saying at all.

Because it's not worth addressing. We're here to yell at each other and post dick jokes in between sessions of boredom at a dead end job. It's the internet.

Posting vague statements about your gun grabber boogeyman and how other people need to learn history before talking are not the actions of someone who wasn't trying to make a serious statement. You're just at the "Deny, distract, distance" point in the Red Dawn gun nut playbook.

Do you like bananas?


I'm not a big fan of most fruit, to be honest. I'm a meat and potatoes kind of guy. Veggies and such.
 
2014-03-03 05:37:18 AM  
teenage mutant ninja rapist:

Bars on the windows is a good way to die in a fire. Especially in an arson prone town like detroit. Furthermore if you have the nerve to pull a home invasion on someone, and you get shot to death in the process fark you to you deserved it.

I remember living in a house with barred windows for a few years in my early teens. One day my younger sister came home from school with a homework assignment to work out a fire escape plan for the house, in which the usual entrance was blocked by flames. I don't know if she got credit for the assignment or not, because there was absolutely no other way out of the house (we didn't even have a back door.)
 
2014-03-03 05:51:04 AM  

LavenderWolf: RatMaster999: RatMaster999: LavenderWolf: doglover: LavenderWolf: I'm not talking about history, I'm talking about right now.


Anytime you say you're not talking about history, you're not only wrong but also walking a well-trod path to failure. Advancement comes from knowledge, knowledge comes from experience, and experience from mistakes. You can skip making the mistakes yourself step by reading books. A few years of reading the right books and you might even realize why no one is swayed by online arguments in general or yours in particular.

You're not addressing anything I am saying at all. You diverted to tell me I didn't know history, and now you won't drop the subject. I know enough history to be on the same side of this issue as you, so why don't you step off the idiotic off-topic banter. Liberal people are not trying to take your guns. Shut the hell up, you Boy-who-cried-wolf fool, because when gun rights are actually under threat I would like to know. You're destroying the signal-to-noise ratio on threats to gun ownership.

Constantly crowing about people who want to take your guns when those people do not in fact want to take your guns has nothing to do with lessons learned from history. It is just paranoid delusion, plain and simple. You guys think *everything* is a sign that the gun grabbers are coming.

youarenothelping.jpg

/I support gun ownership 100%
//And people like you are the biggest problem with the gun owner image.
///Gun ownership is about guns, not your goddamn mouth.

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2013/rpt/2013-R-0241.htm

Nope, this isn't the first step in collecting guns from legitimate owners.


Oh, and this...

http://www.ct.gov/despp/lib/despp/slfu/firearms/despp-0788-c_magazin e_ declaration.pdf

Both of your links are just gibbering about the line where civilians are no longer allowed to have certain hardware. Some people think it should be with assault rifles (which, yes, are a thing and are real) being illegal, others think the line shoul ...


Except these are new regulations from Connecticut.  Less than a year old.  New York's banning magazines that hold more than a handful or rounds.  I think California is planning to try the same.  These asshats are still out there.
 
2014-03-03 06:17:23 AM  

LavenderWolf: doglover: LavenderWolf: doglover: LavenderWolf: You're not addressing anything I am saying at all.

Because it's not worth addressing. We're here to yell at each other and post dick jokes in between sessions of boredom at a dead end job. It's the internet.

Posting vague statements about your gun grabber boogeyman and how other people need to learn history before talking are not the actions of someone who wasn't trying to make a serious statement. You're just at the "Deny, distract, distance" point in the Red Dawn gun nut playbook.

Do you like bananas?

I'm not a big fan of most fruit, to be honest. I'm a meat and potatoes kind of guy. Veggies and such.


i.huffpost.com

This is the only firearm I own. But I'm 100% against lawyers, lawmakers, and bans in general.

New York and California are how gun laws should not work. At the same time Pennsylvania and Florida are how labor laws shouldn't work. Then we've got North Carolina and Dakota showing us how civil rights shouldn't work. If we take the worst and best part of every single state of the union, we'll find laws are the problem and freedom the solution. Where's the best place for gays? California. Why? Less regulation. Where's the best place for guns? Texas. Why? Less regulation. The list goes on, but it's the goal to reduce it as much as possible.
 
2014-03-03 06:24:37 AM  
One shot, dead!  At least she didn't waste any ammo.  That shiat's expensive any more.  She ought to sue his family to replace her $.30 caliber shell.
 
2014-03-03 07:39:33 AM  

RatMaster999: Except these are new regulations from Connecticut. Less than a year old. New York's banning magazines that hold more than a handful or rounds. I think California is planning to try the same. These asshats are still out there.


Don't forget Colorado.  Though several congrescritters received a rude shock when they were recalled as a result of their vote.
 
2014-03-03 07:50:57 AM  

a particular individual: One thing I've learned from this thread is thatconservatives have no idea how liberals in the real world feel about self-defense and responsible gun ownership. Here's a hint: We're not the stupid, pie-in-the-sky, la-di-dah caricatures Rush Limbaugh and Ted Nugent tell you we are.


That's hard to prove from fark gun threads.
 
2014-03-03 07:56:57 AM  

Molavian: way south: /If kel-tec would get its act together, they'd be selling alot more sub-2000's in that catagory.

They're never going to get their act together.  I've given up on them as anything other than a novelty gun maker.  Hell, I got rid of my P3AT and bought an LCP because the fit and finish was so much better.  Dumped a P11, and have stopped looking for an RFB, PMR-30, or a KSG, not to mention the Sub-2000 I tried to pick up forever.


The subs popup on auction from time to time.  Its a much  better setup than the 995, but not worth the current markup.Kel-tec can't seem to expand fast enough and, to make it worse, they keep adding models.

What they should do (taboo as its been since the ACR farkup with magpul) is outsource production.
The sub in glock 17 has classic written all over it. Use the red lion front post as standard and maybe add a metal liner to the magwell, they'd dominate that market.
 
2014-03-03 07:59:23 AM  

RatMaster999: aNihilV10L8tr: I do not own a firearm, but believe in the right to own one and do not think that right should be taken just because a few criminals ruin it for the rest of you. No one talks about taking everyone's knives when people get stabbed, no one talks about taking everyone's cars when someone gets run over. One thing in this thread has me a bit weary, all the posts dealing with how ugly a brand of gun is. Does your desire for weapons come from self-defense, or is it a fashion accessory? Are you trying to defend your property, or playing a game of dress up Barbie? I hope you feel safer because of a pretty gun, when I buy one it will be for function, not because it matches my shoes.

Does looks have anything to do with what car you drive?


Just because I can use it as a way to defend myself doesn't mean it can't also be viewed as a piece of art.


Nice point, I never looked at it that way. The reason i agree so heartily is because no one ever buys a car on looks alone, as some sort of status symbol, its always about the weighing the specific needs of the owner. One of the first gun rules is dont show it unless you plan to use it, so who cares if it is ugly if it hopefully stays holstered? Ask the robber trying to get your wallet if your gun is pretty while defending yourself?
If i want art, i will go to a museum.
 
2014-03-03 08:12:57 AM  

Farkage: Lorelle: Penman: Lorelle: doglover: That would be a good idea to add to the home now, but having a gun would still be needful in a place like Detroit. And you don't spend 24/7 clutching the gun worried, the gun is just another tool, like a hammer. Only sometimes the nail that sticks up is a robber.

You're just being willfully ignorant about guns.

Funny, when the guy who broke into my apartment pointed his gun at me and told me not to scream (I screamed my head off, natch), I didn't view it as a mere "tool."

You made a  CHOICE not to defend yourself with force. What happens from that point on is your responsibility.

I defended myself with what I had on hand: a small pot of boiling chicken soup (I was standing at the stove in the kitchen when the break-in occurred). The guy yelled and ran out of my apartment.

gja: Oh group up you horses ass. You do not win this one, little miss 'no guns'.

F*ck off, asshole.

/see, I made a CHOICE to defend myself

So as long as everybody keeps a pot of boiling chicken soup next to them at all times, they're good to go until they save up the money to move.
Got it.


Until your landlady gets wise to your con for free rent and you have to go down on her

/lil roytoy
 
2014-03-03 08:22:06 AM  

LavenderWolf: It's like... "Dude. Let's go to the range and then get drunk. You might realize how pro-firearm liberal people really are.


Pro-firearm for themselves and their security guards, that is. Anti-firearm for all other law abiding citizens, though.

/it's easy to be a fair-weather friend of the second amendment
//what matters is whether you still support the 2nd when reality isn't pretending to be a Hollywood buddy-cop action dramedy
 
2014-03-03 08:29:37 AM  

Tatterdemalian: /it's easy to be a fair-weather friend of the second amendment


It's easy to be a fair-weather friend for most rights.
 
2014-03-03 08:40:46 AM  

BayouOtter: caeroe: luniz5monody: There was another one similar to this just a few days ago...Detroit too. There's home security video of it, but this one involved 3 guys kicking in a back door and then running when the homeowner (also a woman) came out with a rifle.

Fortunately the three involved were caught, being that they shot at, but not hit (afaik). She had a rusted HiPoint carbine. They're ugly, and their handguns get a lot of crap online, but those rifles are well made. They're excellent home defense weapons imo, I want one myself for home and as a range toy.

NO.
HiPoint pistols and rifles are
A) Made of shiatty pot metal which will split, explode, and fail at the drop of a hat.
B) Are poorly made and will not fit you comfortably AT ALL
C) All use a strait-blowback operation so they are punishing to shoot.

I've seen used police trade-in and surplus Glocks for 300$, Ruger LCPs and such for 200-250$, buy one of those.


DO NOT BUY A GLOCK!

There are more accidental shootings with Glocks than anything else out there, because the Glock DOES NOT HAVE A SAFETY!!!  It's an extremely dangerous gun.

You're much better off with the Hi Point.  No, they don't explode.  They're safer than the Glock.  They're less ugly than the Glock.  And they have a lifetime warranty.