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(Click On Detroit)   Not news: Man breaks in to house. News: Woman in the home warns the man she has a gun and will shoot, and does, killing the man. FARK: This is the 8th time someone has broken in to their house   (clickondetroit.com) divider line 387
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2014-03-02 09:00:21 PM  

ultraholland: Lionel Mandrake: The comments....oh dear god, the comments....

I just sacrificed a few of the weaker brain cells reading some of those.


Natural selection. Your brain will be stronger for it.
 
2014-03-02 09:00:56 PM  

genner: cig-mkr: Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??

If everone is so broke, why was the dickhead breaking in ?
She proberly didn't have anything worth getting killed.

Probably wanted to steal her gun.....


And wound up on the wrong end of that deal.
 
2014-03-02 09:01:05 PM  

Livinglush: clarksvegas: Livinglush: caeroe: luniz5monody: There was another one similar to this just a few days ago...Detroit too. There's home security video of it, but this one involved 3 guys kicking in a back door and then running when the homeowner (also a woman) came out with a rifle.

Fortunately the three involved were caught, being that they shot at, but not hit (afaik). She had a rusted HiPoint carbine. They're ugly, and their handguns get a lot of crap online, but those rifles are well made. They're excellent home defense weapons imo, I want one myself for home and as a range toy.

Hi point pistols AND rifles are cheap and ugly as hell. They are also surprisingly accurate and well made, and dirt cheap

I'd buy one, but i'd keep saying 'fugging ugly' even on the forms and my background check...

Agreed. After doing a ton of research and test firing of candidates on cheap pistols to have a couple laying there in our B.O.B.s, the only reason I didn't get then was because they are indeed just god awful ugly.


They have all the ergonomics of a cordless drill. But, you pull the trigger and they go bang. I've also heard about some bad ones, which the factory repaired/replaced no questions asked. The same rap is laid on the SCCY 9mms. Another: pull the trigger and it goes bang. It breaks and the factory fixes. I have one of each. I have no illusions that they are as good as my Colt 1911 or my Glock. But, the best gun in the world is the one that you have on you when the fight starts.
 
2014-03-02 09:01:21 PM  
Hi-Point.  The only guns known to man which can out-ugly the Glock.
 
2014-03-02 09:01:44 PM  

Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??

Are you even attempting to suggest a gun is as expensive as moving???

Depends...you can get family and friends to help you move.


Move bodies too?
 
2014-03-02 09:03:57 PM  
I think it was rather considerate of the fellow to try and make sure he didn't bleed out all over her floor....not many intruders would put forth that effort.
 
2014-03-02 09:04:04 PM  
Sorry folks.  Her possessing the gun is what is causing all of this.  It acts like a catalyst, drawing moths to a flame.  Those young men she has shot and threatened to shoot are the victims of her dark, twisted sociopathetic persona.  She should be locked away - at least until she has received professional help for her bloodlust and able to rejoin society.  Remove her from the equation and these fine young men will surprise you.
 
2014-03-02 09:04:17 PM  

hardinparamedic: Wait. Wait.  I KNOW WHY YOU WANT A HI POINT.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 800x311]

You can be all high speed and tacticool on a budget, Yo!


And it's still a 9mm and it still only holds 10 shots.  You could take on the whole Russian Army with that!
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-03-02 09:05:02 PM  

Ivan the Tolerable: ultraholland: The woman claims she warned the intruder

fixed

 I would believe it. Been reading a couple of studies on self-defense shootings, and warning the assailant is not only pretty common, it most often is the catalyst that actually serves to -escalate- the event into a shooting.
 Apparently, the kind of violent mind that does home invasions is also the kind of mind that lacks pity/empathy, and so cannot understand a victims unwillingness to hurt them purely on human decency/moral terms. They can only interpret the extra effort and exposure to risk a victim assumes by giving a warning as purely an empty threat - as weakness and an unwillingness to follow through. Really, they can not interpret it in any other terms, lacking any context in their own lives of empathy or selflessness. (i.e. They wouldn't stick their neck out for any total stranger, much less one trying to hurt them, so they misinterpret a victims warning as merely weakness or bluff).
 There are many cases of victims being clearly armed, even firing warning shots, and unarmed attackers charging them anyway. -Especially- after warning shots, strangely enough (even in one extreme case, when they came from a man firing bursts from a fully automatic rifle!). Those are quite often misinterpreted as a clear and unambiguous lack of a victims willingness to actually shoot a human; As the attackers themselves would not have hesitated or exposed themselves to undue risk for an attacker, they cannot correctly interpret the same behavior in others.


I want to know, are you trying to intimate that firing a warning shot egged the intruder on and that woman is in any way wrong for doing so?
Or are you just pointing out an alleged study, in which case:
img.4plebs.org
 
2014-03-02 09:05:06 PM  

RatMaster999: Hi-Point.  The only guns known to man which can out-ugly the Glock.


As long as the blasterpiece can stop a perp dead in his tracks, who cares?  Not sure the point here, do you think it would be embarrassing to be shot with an ugly fire arm?
 
2014-03-02 09:05:49 PM  

jayphat: Benevolent Misanthrope: jayphat: She really needs to put a sign out front.

"Number of Break-ins"
"Number of shiatheads I've shot dead"

I was thinking something on the order of little kill-markers - perhaps cartoon thieves - under the windows and beside the doors.

Like those stupid family stickers you see on minivans?


But with striped shirts and masks, holding little bags with dollar signs on them, perhaps.
 
2014-03-02 09:07:13 PM  

martid4: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

I had to mark this as funny, it's so stupid it made me laugh.


Nah. What's stupid is wasting your life sitting around waiting to be attacked again.

Yesterday marked 29 years since someone broke into my apartment and threatened me with a gun. I moved to a safer neighborhood 2 months later, after my lease had expired.
 
2014-03-02 09:07:23 PM  
Though I will say, that may be the one and only acceptable use for those damn stick figure decals.
 
2014-03-02 09:08:51 PM  

Lorelle: doglover: Lorelle: teenage mutant ninja rapist: doglover: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

With what money?

Only two kinds of people live in Detroit anymore: those who want to move but can't afford it and those who want to move but really can't afford it.

Bars on the windows is a good way to die in a fire. Especially in an arson prone town like detroit. Furthermore if you have the nerve to pull a home invasion on someone, and you get shot to death in the process fark you to you deserved it.

One can buy quick-release window bars, dude.

For only a mere $1000's of dollars per home, and there's no other uses for them.

Meanwhile a gun is $100's and fills multiple roles in both defense, sport, and in rare cases track meets.

Then put security laminates on the windows. Cheaper than bars, and one can break the windows from the inside in case of fire.

It beats spending one's life clutching a gun 24/7, just waiting for the next break-in to occur.


That would be a good idea to add to the home now, but having a gun would still be needful in a place like Detroit. And you don't spend 24/7 clutching the gun worried, the gun is just another tool, like a hammer. Only sometimes the nail that sticks up is a robber.

You're just being willfully ignorant about guns.
 
2014-03-02 09:09:43 PM  

Lorelle: martid4: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

I had to mark this as funny, it's so stupid it made me laugh.

Nah. What's stupid is wasting your life sitting around waiting to be attacked again.

Yesterday marked 29 years since someone broke into my apartment and threatened me with a gun. I moved to a safer neighborhood 2 months later, after my lease had expired.


So you get to project your circumstances on everyone else who may be in a remotely similar situation. How cute.
 
2014-03-02 09:12:06 PM  

martid4: RatMaster999: Hi-Point.  The only guns known to man which can out-ugly the Glock.

As long as the blasterpiece can stop a perp dead in his tracks, who cares?  Not sure the point here, do you think it would be embarrassing to be shot with an ugly fire arm?


I'd be embarrassed to admit owning one, but it beats having nothing more than a sharp stick.  At least it's a better choice than the $79 Raven Arms little pistols...
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-03-02 09:12:50 PM  

Lorelle: martid4: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

I had to mark this as funny, it's so stupid it made me laugh.

Nah. What's stupid is wasting your life sitting around waiting to be attacked again.

Yesterday marked 29 years since someone broke into my apartment and threatened me with a gun. I moved to a safer neighborhood 2 months later, after my lease had expired.


Well whoopdyshiat for you. Last time I saw that much projection was the matinee of 'Gravity'.

You and mister "move to another place" must be screwing each other.
 
2014-03-02 09:15:18 PM  
Why is it reported as fact that she warned him?
 
2014-03-02 09:15:38 PM  

RatMaster999: martid4: RatMaster999: Hi-Point.  The only guns known to man which can out-ugly the Glock.

As long as the blasterpiece can stop a perp dead in his tracks, who cares?  Not sure the point here, do you think it would be embarrassing to be shot with an ugly fire arm?

I'd be embarrassed to admit owning one, but it beats having nothing more than a sharp stick.  At least it's a better choice than the $79 Raven Arms little pistols...


A $79 pistol?

(o.O)

Why!?
 
2014-03-02 09:15:53 PM  

Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??


Decent used revolver: $200
Bars on windows: Easily a couple thousand bucks.
Moving: Tens of thousands, especially since you'll have to sell your high-crime home for a loss.
 
2014-03-02 09:16:16 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Sucks to be that guy, I guess.

ultraholland: The woman claims she warned the intruder

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Why would she lie about it, exactly?


Because some people, including the occasional cop, are stupid enough to automatically assume the armed survivor of any lethal force situation is automatically the guilty party, and will use any shred of evidence that the survivor was anything less than a perfect saint as defined by local morals (hint: in Detroit, that means "liberal to the point of self-destruction") to make a snap judgement, procedure be damned.

/if they were good cops Detroit might not have such rampant crime
//lying to the cops isn't a good idea in the long run, but in the short term, if the cops are letting you know things will get ugly if you don't say what they want to hear, you better say what they want to hear
 
2014-03-02 09:16:27 PM  
doglover: That would be a good idea to add to the home now, but having a gun would still be needful in a place like Detroit. And you don't spend 24/7 clutching the gun worried, the gun is just another tool, like a hammer. Only sometimes the nail that sticks up is a robber.

You're just being willfully ignorant about guns.


Funny, when the guy who broke into my apartment pointed his gun at me and told me not to scream (I screamed my head off, natch), I didn't view it as a mere "tool."
 
2014-03-02 09:16:42 PM  

Dwindle: bearded clamorer: Hey ma'am, nice shot

Nice shot, ma'am.


Hey ma'am, have fun.
 
2014-03-02 09:16:46 PM  
Why didn't she call the police and run from the house or retreat to the farthest room in the house ? The police would have been there sooner or later . Why hang around when she could have clearly gotten away ? This could have been avoided . I bet this responsible gun owner creamed her jeans at the chance to kill someone

/Trollin
 
2014-03-02 09:17:33 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: Detroit is like Mad Max, only more depressing.


Kind of seems like a time travel mishap to me, like the alternate Hill Valley in BttF
 
2014-03-02 09:18:11 PM  
According to the woman's husband, this is the eighth time someone has broken into their home.

Let's just take this as gospel. There's no way he could possibly be lying or exaggerating.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-03-02 09:18:37 PM  

doglover: RatMaster999: martid4: RatMaster999: Hi-Point.  The only guns known to man which can out-ugly the Glock.

As long as the blasterpiece can stop a perp dead in his tracks, who cares?  Not sure the point here, do you think it would be embarrassing to be shot with an ugly fire arm?

I'd be embarrassed to admit owning one, but it beats having nothing more than a sharp stick.  At least it's a better choice than the $79 Raven Arms little pistols...

A $79 pistol?

(o.O)

Why!?


Probably stamped with a "Best if used by" date....

There are some things it is best not to cheap-out on.
 
2014-03-02 09:19:40 PM  

anuran: Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??

Decent used revolver: $200
Bars on windows: Easily a couple thousand bucks.
Moving: Tens of thousands, especially since you'll have to sell your high-crime home for a loss.


Replacing broken windows eight times isn't costly??
 
2014-03-02 09:21:59 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Sucks to be that guy, I guess.

ultraholland: The woman claims she warned the intruder

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Why would she lie about it, exactly?

You do realize that she had no legal obligation whatsoever to provide him a warning of any kind once he forcibly entered her home, right?  Shooting him dead without saying a word to him, from behind, with no warning, would have been completely legally legitimate.

// Bars would probably be a good plan, but she has no  obligation to put bars up.  The only people  obligated to do something to prevent break-ins are the burglars, who are obligated to  not farking break into houses.


Maryland requires you to retreat from an intruder in your home if at all possible.  If you shoot an intruder in the back you will be charged.  If you shoot an intruder in the front and tell the police you were afraid for you life you've got maybe a 50/50 chance of not being charged.  Maybe...
 
2014-03-02 09:22:54 PM  

Lorelle: doglover: That would be a good idea to add to the home now, but having a gun would still be needful in a place like Detroit. And you don't spend 24/7 clutching the gun worried, the gun is just another tool, like a hammer. Only sometimes the nail that sticks up is a robber.

You're just being willfully ignorant about guns.

Funny, when the guy who broke into my apartment pointed his gun at me and told me not to scream (I screamed my head off, natch), I didn't view it as a mere "tool."


You made a  CHOICE not to defend yourself with force. What happens from that point on is your responsibility.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-03-02 09:22:59 PM  

Lorelle: anuran: Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??

Decent used revolver: $200
Bars on windows: Easily a couple thousand bucks.
Moving: Tens of thousands, especially since you'll have to sell your high-crime home for a loss.

Replacing broken windows eight times isn't costly??


Oh group up you horses ass. You do not win this one, little miss 'no guns'.

BTW, window panes are about 5-10 bucks. Moving is just a tad more (like 10000 times more at least).
 
2014-03-02 09:24:51 PM  

Penman: You made a  CHOICE not to defend yourself with force. What happens from that point on is your responsibility.


Discretion is the better part of valor.

Chances are if she had a gun, and had tried to go for it she wouldn't be here typing this today.
 
2014-03-02 09:26:24 PM  

stuartp9: She needs one of these:

[www.geekchunks.com image 487x300]


or one of these:

i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-03-02 09:26:34 PM  

K3rmy: Sorry folks.  Her possessing the gun is what is causing all of this.  It acts like a catalyst, drawing moths to a flame.  Those young men she has shot and threatened to shoot are the victims of her dark, twisted sociopathetic persona.  She should be locked away - at least until she has received professional help for her bloodlust and able to rejoin society.  Remove her from the equation and these fine young men will surprise you.


...instead of her.
 
2014-03-02 09:26:34 PM  

hardinparamedic: Penman: You made a  CHOICE not to defend yourself with force. What happens from that point on is your responsibility.

Discretion is the better part of valor.

Chances are if she had a gun, and had tried to go for it she wouldn't be here typing this today.


That's why you have it in hand, you don't say to the robber "Excuse me I've got to go get my gun."
 
2014-03-02 09:27:17 PM  

twiztedjustin: Good for her.

Also, I only managed to ignore 1 person out of 85 comments. Fark, you're slipping.


The trolls are staying away from this one.
 
2014-03-02 09:28:41 PM  

hardinparamedic: Penman: You made a  CHOICE not to defend yourself with force. What happens from that point on is your responsibility.

Discretion is the better part of valor.

Chances are if she had a gun, and had tried to go for it she wouldn't be here typing this today.


Agreed. Kind of have to take a lot of different situations in life on a case by case basis though.
 
2014-03-02 09:29:07 PM  

Penman: That's why you have it in hand, you don't say to the robber "Excuse me I've got to go get my gun."


Ah, so I see. It's her fault for not having it strapped to her leg in a drop tactical holster 24/7?

cdn.firearmstalk.com
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-03-02 09:29:20 PM  

RottenEggs: twiztedjustin: Good for her.

Also, I only managed to ignore 1 person out of 85 comments. Fark, you're slipping.

The trolls are staying away from this one.


And yet, Lorelle is here trollin hard and long.
 
2014-03-02 09:30:08 PM  

Penman: Lorelle: doglover: That would be a good idea to add to the home now, but having a gun would still be needful in a place like Detroit. And you don't spend 24/7 clutching the gun worried, the gun is just another tool, like a hammer. Only sometimes the nail that sticks up is a robber.

You're just being willfully ignorant about guns.

Funny, when the guy who broke into my apartment pointed his gun at me and told me not to scream (I screamed my head off, natch), I didn't view it as a mere "tool."

You made a  CHOICE not to defend yourself with force. What happens from that point on is your responsibility.


I defended myself with what I had on hand: a small pot of boiling chicken soup (I was standing at the stove in the kitchen when the break-in occurred). The guy yelled and ran out of my apartment.

gja: Oh group up you horses ass. You do not win this one, little miss 'no guns'.


F*ck off, asshole.

/see, I made a CHOICE to defend myself
 
2014-03-02 09:30:54 PM  
ttc2301:
They have all the ergonomics of a cordless drill.

Not that good. A professional quality drill has to be comfortable, vibration and all for eight hours a day. If it isn't the carpenters and electricians and plumbers will buy something else; their hands are their livelihood. Almost nobody fires a gun that much day in and day out.

But, you pull the trigger and they go bang.

And that is what a gun needs to do above all else.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-03-02 09:31:33 PM  

Lorelle: Penman: Lorelle: doglover: That would be a good idea to add to the home now, but having a gun would still be needful in a place like Detroit. And you don't spend 24/7 clutching the gun worried, the gun is just another tool, like a hammer. Only sometimes the nail that sticks up is a robber.

You're just being willfully ignorant about guns.

Funny, when the guy who broke into my apartment pointed his gun at me and told me not to scream (I screamed my head off, natch), I didn't view it as a mere "tool."

You made a  CHOICE not to defend yourself with force. What happens from that point on is your responsibility.

I defended myself with what I had on hand: a small pot of boiling chicken soup (I was standing at the stove in the kitchen when the break-in occurred). The guy yelled and ran out of my apartment.

gja: Oh group up you horses ass. You do not win this one, little miss 'no guns'.

F*ck off, asshole.

/see, I made a CHOICE to defend myself


Good for you. EABOBOD dearie. You are a well documented headcase.
 
2014-03-02 09:32:20 PM  

Lorelle: Penman: Lorelle: doglover: That would be a good idea to add to the home now, but having a gun would still be needful in a place like Detroit. And you don't spend 24/7 clutching the gun worried, the gun is just another tool, like a hammer. Only sometimes the nail that sticks up is a robber.

You're just being willfully ignorant about guns.

Funny, when the guy who broke into my apartment pointed his gun at me and told me not to scream (I screamed my head off, natch), I didn't view it as a mere "tool."

You made a  CHOICE not to defend yourself with force. What happens from that point on is your responsibility.

I defended myself with what I had on hand: a small pot of boiling chicken soup (I was standing at the stove in the kitchen when the break-in occurred). The guy yelled and ran out of my apartment.

gja: Oh group up you horses ass. You do not win this one, little miss 'no guns'.

F*ck off, asshole.

/see, I made a CHOICE to defend myself


So as long as everybody keeps a pot of boiling chicken soup next to them at all times, they're good to go until they save up the money to move.
Got it.
 
2014-03-02 09:33:57 PM  

the ha ha guy: /I've been called both a gun-grabber and an NRA shill. In the same thread. For the same comment...


Speculation: in a single post you endorsed both universal background checks while rejecting a ban on scary-looking rifles (due to the presence of handgrips that stick out from the stock) as ineffective.
 
2014-03-02 09:34:33 PM  

Lorelle: doglover: That would be a good idea to add to the home now, but having a gun would still be needful in a place like Detroit. And you don't spend 24/7 clutching the gun worried, the gun is just another tool, like a hammer. Only sometimes the nail that sticks up is a robber.

You're just being willfully ignorant about guns.

Funny, when the guy who broke into my apartment pointed his gun at me and told me not to scream (I screamed my head off, natch), I didn't view it as a mere "tool."


Oh heavens to mergatroid! Somebody broke into my home and pointed a gun at me 29 years ago! Oh the horror!

shiat happens. Get some therapy.

It's the fight or flight response, and you chose flight. There's another option. Squirrels flee from danger very successfully. But they live in constant terror and usually die in violence anyway. But skunks? Skunks own the forest. They, despite being walking snacks, have less stress than Willie Nelson three joints into breakfast. Why? Because of all the animals in the forest who fight, the skunk has the worst attack.

But this doesn't mean the skunk just walks around waiting for a chance to spray. They're actually just cool little guys who bumble through the forest looking for munchies and lady skunks. If they could, they'd go their whole life without spraying. But if push comes to shove, they can push back.

And that's really what weapons ownership is all about. You don't have a weapon because you want to use it, you have it because in the event you ever need it, you'll wish you had it. While you can jury rig a spear or sword out of household goods, handguns are probably a better choice. Much like the skunk, you keep it on the back burner. It doesn't define your existence, but if you ever need it it's there.
 
2014-03-02 09:35:04 PM  

Lorelle: I defended myself with what I had on hand: a small pot of boiling chicken soup (I was standing at the stove in the kitchen when the break-in occurred). The guy yelled and ran out of my apartment.


So you understand the importance of being armed.
Though in many states, using that soup as a weapon would get you arrested for "harming" the poor robber.. they care about the victim more than you.
 
2014-03-02 09:35:57 PM  

gja: Good for you. EABOBOD dearie. You are a well documented headcase.


Awww...pobrecito. Why do you get so upset when women fight back??
 
2014-03-02 09:36:09 PM  
al's hat:

Maryland requires you to retreat from an intruder in your home if at all possible.  If you shoot an intruder in the back you will be charged.  If you shoot an intruder in the front and tell the police you were afraid for you life you've got maybe a 50/50 chance of not being charged.  Maybe...

I'd like to see a citation on that. The last I heard Massachusetts was the last State that had a Duty to Retreat in your own home. And that changed within a year of Dukakis leaving office.
 
2014-03-02 09:36:59 PM  

Penman: Lorelle: I defended myself with what I had on hand: a small pot of boiling chicken soup (I was standing at the stove in the kitchen when the break-in occurred). The guy yelled and ran out of my apartment.

So you understand the importance of being armed.
Though in many states, using that soup as a weapon would get you arrested for "harming" the poor robber.. they care about the victim more than you.


The criminal I mean.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-03-02 09:39:07 PM  

Lorelle: gja: Good for you. EABOBOD dearie. You are a well documented headcase.

Awww...pobrecito. Why do you get so upset when women fight back??


LOL. Upset? I am not upset with you. You are nutty as an acorn tree sweetie. Have a nice night. Try not to hurt your brain on any big words.
 
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