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(Click On Detroit)   Not news: Man breaks in to house. News: Woman in the home warns the man she has a gun and will shoot, and does, killing the man. FARK: This is the 8th time someone has broken in to their house   (clickondetroit.com) divider line 387
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2014-03-02 08:12:48 PM

God-is-a-Taco: doglover:
Only two kinds of people live in Detroit anymore: those who want to move but can't afford it and those who want to move but really can't afford it.

People often forget that there's a white area in Detroit (or just outside it?) that's quite uhh... white and safe.
I don't know why they would live in or near Detroit, but it's pretty normal from what I've heard.


It's cuz Robocop's a honkey.
 
2014-03-02 08:13:32 PM

doglover: God-is-a-Taco: doglover:
Only two kinds of people live in Detroit anymore: those who want to move but can't afford it and those who want to move but really can't afford it.

People often forget that there's a white area in Detroit (or just outside it?) that's quite uhh... white and safe.
I don't know why they would live in or near Detroit, but it's pretty normal from what I've heard.

It's cuz Robocop's a honkey.


Omniconsumer Products got a budget increase and put a train horn on him now. I'd buy that for a dollar.
 
2014-03-02 08:14:53 PM

Livinglush: caeroe: luniz5monody: There was another one similar to this just a few days ago...Detroit too. There's home security video of it, but this one involved 3 guys kicking in a back door and then running when the homeowner (also a woman) came out with a rifle.

Fortunately the three involved were caught, being that they shot at, but not hit (afaik). She had a rusted HiPoint carbine. They're ugly, and their handguns get a lot of crap online, but those rifles are well made. They're excellent home defense weapons imo, I want one myself for home and as a range toy.

Hi point pistols AND rifles are cheap and ugly as hell. They are also surprisingly accurate and well made, and dirt cheap


I'd buy one, but i'd keep saying 'fugging ugly' even on the forms and my background check...
 
2014-03-02 08:16:25 PM

anuran: Liberal gun owner here...

Nice shot, ma'am. Glad you weren't hurt. Hope the DA isn't put under pressure to charge you with anything.
Sucks to be the home invasion robber, but he made his choices.


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2014-03-02 08:17:31 PM

clarksvegas: Livinglush: caeroe: luniz5monody: There was another one similar to this just a few days ago...Detroit too. There's home security video of it, but this one involved 3 guys kicking in a back door and then running when the homeowner (also a woman) came out with a rifle.

Fortunately the three involved were caught, being that they shot at, but not hit (afaik). She had a rusted HiPoint carbine. They're ugly, and their handguns get a lot of crap online, but those rifles are well made. They're excellent home defense weapons imo, I want one myself for home and as a range toy.

Hi point pistols AND rifles are cheap and ugly as hell. They are also surprisingly accurate and well made, and dirt cheap

I'd buy one, but i'd keep saying 'fugging ugly' even on the forms and my background check...


Agreed. After doing a ton of research and test firing of candidates on cheap pistols to have a couple laying there in our B.O.B.s, the only reason I didn't get then was because they are indeed just god awful ugly.
 
2014-03-02 08:18:02 PM

Livinglush: Cite your sources that prove they are any more dangerous to the user than any other brand of firearm.


Well, I'll believe the owner of our local range who banned them from all of his classes as well as being used on the range, or the fact there have been multiple people report their C9 handgun blowing up in their hand. And slide-bite is a common thing with Hi-point pistols, as the handgrip upper does not come back very far compared with the slide.

No offense to you if you love them, but I've never heard of an M&P, Browning High Power, or M1911 blowing up in someone's hand for no discernible reason.
 
2014-03-02 08:20:26 PM

a particular individual: Here's a hint: We're not the stupid, pie-in-the-sky, la-di-dah caricatures Rush Limbaugh and Ted Nugent Fark Liberalstell you we are.


FTFY.

/I've been called both a gun-grabber and an NRA shill. In the same thread. For the same comment...
 
2014-03-02 08:21:43 PM
did they take up a collection to keep her in the house, or do we start one here??
 
2014-03-02 08:21:59 PM
If she's white she'll be plastered all over Fox for the next week. (especially if the dead guy is black)

If she's black this story won't make it past Monday. (Tuesday if the dead guy is black)

Conservatives like guns about as equally as they dislike the idea of blacks with guns.
 
2014-03-02 08:22:12 PM

jayphat: She really needs to put a sign out front.

"Number of Break-ins"
"Number of shiatheads I've shot dead"


I was thinking something on the order of little kill-markers - perhaps cartoon thieves - under the windows and beside the doors.
 
2014-03-02 08:22:50 PM
Amateur.
 
2014-03-02 08:23:14 PM
There is no difference between this incident and Trayvon.  Bad person got shot trying to injure innocent person.
 
2014-03-02 08:23:52 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: jayphat: She really needs to put a sign out front.

"Number of Break-ins"
"Number of shiatheads I've shot dead"

I was thinking something on the order of little kill-markers - perhaps cartoon thieves - under the windows and beside the doors.


Like those stupid family stickers you see on minivans?
 
2014-03-02 08:24:30 PM

caeroe: luniz5monody: There was another one similar to this just a few days ago...Detroit too. There's home security video of it, but this one involved 3 guys kicking in a back door and then running when the homeowner (also a woman) came out with a rifle.

Fortunately the three involved were caught, being that they shot at, but not hit (afaik). She had a rusted HiPoint carbine. They're ugly, and their handguns get a lot of crap online, but those rifles are well made. They're excellent home defense weapons imo, I want one myself for home and as a range toy.


NO.
HiPoint pistols and rifles are
A) Made of shiatty pot metal which will split, explode, and fail at the drop of a hat.
B) Are poorly made and will not fit you comfortably AT ALL
C) All use a strait-blowback operation so they are punishing to shoot.

I've seen used police trade-in and surplus Glocks for 300$, Ruger LCPs and such for 200-250$, buy one of those.
 
2014-03-02 08:25:54 PM
images.fineartamerica.com
 
2014-03-02 08:27:23 PM

jayphat: Like those stupid family stickers you see on minivans?


I bought 40 of those family-cat stickers and put them on the back of a female co-workers car.

She didn't notice for a week.
 
2014-03-02 08:27:38 PM

Ivan the Tolerable: ultraholland: The woman claims she warned the intruder

fixed

 I would believe it. Been reading a couple of studies on self-defense shootings, and warning the assailant is not only pretty common, it most often is the catalyst that actually serves to -escalate- the event into a shooting.
 Apparently, the kind of violent mind that does home invasions is also the kind of mind that lacks pity/empathy, and so cannot understand a victims unwillingness to hurt them purely on human decency/moral terms. They can only interpret the extra effort and exposure to risk a victim assumes by giving a warning as purely an empty threat - as weakness and an unwillingness to follow through. Really, they can not interpret it in any other terms, lacking any context in their own lives of empathy or selflessness. (i.e. They wouldn't stick their neck out for any total stranger, much less one trying to hurt them, so they misinterpret a victims warning as merely weakness or bluff).
 There are many cases of victims being clearly armed, even firing warning shots, and unarmed attackers charging them anyway. -Especially- after warning shots, strangely enough (even in one extreme case, when they came from a man firing bursts from a fully automatic rifle!). Those are quite often misinterpreted as a clear and unambiguous lack of a victims willingness to actually shoot a human; As the attackers themselves would not have hesitated or exposed themselves to undue risk for an attacker, they cannot correctly interpret the same behavior in others.


I wonder what the best thing to shout would be then? Maybe just start barking orders like a cop does... Instead of "Stop or I'll shoot!" maybe a very aggressive "Get down on the ground NOW farkface!" Maybe trigger am instinctive learned response, evoking run ins with the police. Did the paper you read give any hints as to what DID seem to work to not end in a shooting?
 
2014-03-02 08:27:52 PM

FnkyTwn: jayphat: Like those stupid family stickers you see on minivans?

I bought 40 of those family-cat stickers and put them on the back of a female co-workers car.

She didn't notice for a week.


And favorited as "genius"
 
2014-03-02 08:29:05 PM

bigsteve3OOO: There is no difference between this incident and Trayvon.  Bad person got shot trying to injure innocent person.


10/10

Now THAT'S how you troll, ladies and gents.
 
2014-03-02 08:29:34 PM

Ivan the Tolerable: ultraholland: The woman claims she warned the intruder

fixed

 I would believe it. Been reading a couple of studies on self-defense shootings, and warning the assailant is not only pretty common, it most often is the catalyst that actually serves to -escalate- the event into a shooting.
 Apparently, the kind of violent mind that does home invasions is also the kind of mind that lacks pity/empathy, and so cannot understand a victims unwillingness to hurt them purely on human decency/moral terms. They can only interpret the extra effort and exposure to risk a victim assumes by giving a warning as purely an empty threat - as weakness and an unwillingness to follow through. Really, they can not interpret it in any other terms, lacking any context in their own lives of empathy or selflessness. (i.e. They wouldn't stick their neck out for any total stranger, much less one trying to hurt them, so they misinterpret a victims warning as merely weakness or bluff).
 There are many cases of victims being clearly armed, even firing warning shots, and unarmed attackers charging them anyway. -Especially- after warning shots, strangely enough (even in one extreme case, when they came from a man firing bursts from a fully automatic rifle!). Those are quite often misinterpreted as a clear and unambiguous lack of a victims willingness to actually shoot a human; As the attackers themselves would not have hesitated or exposed themselves to undue risk for an attacker, they cannot correctly interpret the same behavior in others.


Very plausible, although I'd love to see the studies.
That said, giving a verbal warning is very useful for your second round of self defense, the one against the legal system.
 
2014-03-02 08:29:44 PM

Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.


Moving implies selling your house to someone. Who the F is going to buy that house?
 
2014-03-02 08:30:09 PM

hardinparamedic: Livinglush: Cite your sources that prove they are any more dangerous to the user than any other brand of firearm.

Well, I'll believe the owner of our local range who banned them from all of his classes as well as being used on the range, or the fact there have been multiple people report their C9 handgun blowing up in their hand. And slide-bite is a common thing with Hi-point pistols, as the handgrip upper does not come back very far compared with the slide.

No offense to you if you love them, but I've never heard of an M&P, Browning High Power, or M1911 blowing up in someone's hand for no discernible reason.


So where are these comparison reports? I would love to see them and I will gladly change my opinion.
 
2014-03-02 08:31:31 PM
There are only 2 kinds of people, those who are adequately armed and victims.
 
2014-03-02 08:32:35 PM
I like my Hi Point 9mm pistol.   Bought it 15 years ago, shoot it a couple times each year, never had a problem with it.
 
2014-03-02 08:33:49 PM

BayouOtter: caeroe: luniz5monody: There was another one similar to this just a few days ago...Detroit too. There's home security video of it, but this one involved 3 guys kicking in a back door and then running when the homeowner (also a woman) came out with a rifle.

Fortunately the three involved were caught, being that they shot at, but not hit (afaik). She had a rusted HiPoint carbine. They're ugly, and their handguns get a lot of crap online, but those rifles are well made. They're excellent home defense weapons imo, I want one myself for home and as a range toy.

NO.
HiPoint pistols and rifles are
A) Made of shiatty pot metal which will split, explode, and fail at the drop of a hat.
B) Are poorly made and will not fit you comfortably AT ALL
C) All use a strait-blowback operation so they are punishing to shoot.

I've seen used police trade-in and surplus Glocks for 300$, Ruger LCPs and such for 200-250$, buy one of those.


As I said to another poster: cite sources that provide fail rate comparison with other brands.
 
2014-03-02 08:35:13 PM
I'm sorry, but if you break into my home I am not giving a warning.  I have no idea what your intentions are and I am not going to risk my life to find out.  I'm not going to give up the advantage of surprise and give away my position.  Once I identify the person as someone that has no reason to be in the house, they are getting shot.  It doesn't matter if they are armed or not.  Just because they don't have a gun in their hand doesn't mean they don't have one in their waste band.  Hell they could grab a lamp or many other household items and swing those as a weapon.  If you aren't willing to risk your life, you should not break into someone's home.  It just shouldn't be that hard to wrap your head around.
 
2014-03-02 08:37:33 PM

Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??


Guns don't cost money??
 
2014-03-02 08:37:41 PM

doglover: But guns are bad and are only used to shoot kids and have no legitimate place in society!


Of course a gun lover also loves dogs, a needy animal to further bolster his low selfesteem.
 
2014-03-02 08:38:47 PM

Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??


Not a crappy Hi-Point.
 
2014-03-02 08:40:27 PM

Livinglush: So where are these comparison reports? I would love to see them and I will gladly change my opinion.


www.thetruthaboutguns.com

You might like it. I don't. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, either. And you can google the reports of the C9 Blowing up in people's hands if you want to read them.

I'll stick to my Walther/S&W
 
2014-03-02 08:43:49 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: doglover: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

With what money?

Only two kinds of people live in Detroit anymore: those who want to move but can't afford it and those who want to move but really can't afford it.

Bars on the windows is a good way to die in a fire. Especially in an arson prone town like detroit. Furthermore if you have the nerve to pull a home invasion on someone, and you get shot to death in the process fark you to you deserved it.


One can buy quick-release window bars, dude.
 
2014-03-02 08:45:34 PM
"This is the  sixth seventh eighth time we have had an intruder, and we have become exceedingly efficient at destroying them."
 
2014-03-02 08:47:04 PM
Wait. Wait.  I KNOW WHY YOU WANT A HI POINT.

2.bp.blogspot.com

You can be all high speed and tacticool on a budget, Yo!
 
2014-03-02 08:47:26 PM

Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??


Are you even attempting to suggest a gun is as expensive as moving???
 
2014-03-02 08:49:34 PM

Farkage: Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??

Are you even attempting to suggest a gun is as expensive as moving???


Depends...you can get family and friends to help you move.
 
2014-03-02 08:51:58 PM
Sucks to be that guy, I guess.

ultraholland: The woman claims she warned the intruder

fixed


Why would she lie about it, exactly?

You do realize that she had no legal obligation whatsoever to provide him a warning of any kind once he forcibly entered her home, right?  Shooting him dead without saying a word to him, from behind, with no warning, would have been completely legally legitimate.

// Bars would probably be a good plan, but she has no  obligation to put bars up.  The only people  obligated to do something to prevent break-ins are the burglars, who are obligated to  not farking break into houses.
 
2014-03-02 08:53:25 PM
Hope the cops are giving her a frequent pick up discount.
 
2014-03-02 08:53:47 PM

Lorelle: teenage mutant ninja rapist: doglover: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

With what money?

Only two kinds of people live in Detroit anymore: those who want to move but can't afford it and those who want to move but really can't afford it.

Bars on the windows is a good way to die in a fire. Especially in an arson prone town like detroit. Furthermore if you have the nerve to pull a home invasion on someone, and you get shot to death in the process fark you to you deserved it.

One can buy quick-release window bars, dude.


For only a mere $1000's of dollars per home, and there's no other uses for them.

Meanwhile a gun is $100's and fills multiple roles in both defense, sport, and in rare cases track meets.
 
2014-03-02 08:54:35 PM
Subby said: "Not news: Man breaks in to house. News: Woman in the home warns the man she has a gun and will shoot, and does, killing the man. FARK: This is the 8th time someone has broken in to their house"

It's not "their" house anymore, right?
 
2014-03-02 08:55:47 PM

Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??


If everone is so broke, why was the dickhead breaking in ?
She proberly didn't have anything worth getting killed.
 
2014-03-02 08:56:06 PM

Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??


basic hi point c-9 (tiny 9mm bullet) goes for about  $189 retail

you might make it out of the uhaul store for under that. moving from shiatty to shiatty doesn't do much. that's not counting own vs rent. if selling the house, good luck. i hear the market for
Detroit houses isslightly better than housing in Pompeii in 79
 
2014-03-02 08:56:52 PM
lonerancher: I'm sorry, but if you break into my home I am not giving a warning. I have no idea what your intentions are and I am not going to risk my life to find out. I'm not going to give up the advantage of surprise and give away my position. Once I identify the person as someone that has no reason to be in the house, they are getting shot. It doesn't matter if they are armed or not. Just because they don't have a gun in their hand doesn't mean they don't have one in their waste band. Hell they could grab a lamp or many other household items and swing those as a weapon. If you aren't willing to risk your life, you should not break into someone's home. It just shouldn't be that hard to wrap your head around.

I agree. If you shout something at them, several things can happen, and all of them except their turning around and leaving is not in your favor. The first is that if they are armed, you are now in an even-up shoot out instead of having the drop on them. The second is that they become a moving target, much harder to hit. Why would you give up your advantage of surprise? The first sound they hear should be the gun going off.

Of course, I'm a southern country boy and the very idea of someone trying to break into my house doesn't mean danger; it means "hot damn, I get to shoot somebody!!!" Anyways it will never happen, nobody can get close to my house without the dogs howling for ten minutes.
 
2014-03-02 08:56:58 PM

cig-mkr: Lorelle: Farkage: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

Sure, because everybody has money...right??

Guns don't cost money??

If everone is so broke, why was the dickhead breaking in ?
She proberly didn't have anything worth getting killed.


Probably wanted to steal her gun.....
 
2014-03-02 08:57:02 PM

doglover: and in rare cases track meets.


www.independent.co.uk

ALLEGEDLY!
 
2014-03-02 08:57:20 PM

Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.


I had to mark this as funny, it's so stupid it made me laugh.
 
2014-03-02 08:58:13 PM

hardinparamedic: Wait. Wait.  I KNOW WHY YOU WANT A HI POINT.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 800x311]

You can be all high speed and tacticool on a budget, Yo!


That model is actually the best thing hi-point makes,  and pistol carbines aren't usually that affordable.
...But they are more accurate, easy to handle, get better range. Perfect for home defense.

/Mother of three used one to chase off some hoodlums a few headlines ago.
/If kel-tec would get its act together, they'd be selling alot more sub-2000's in that catagory.
 
2014-03-02 08:58:20 PM

Jim_Callahan: Sucks to be that guy, I guess.

ultraholland: The woman claims she warned the intruder

fixed

Why would she lie about it, exactly?

You do realize that she had no legal obligation whatsoever to provide him a warning of any kind once he forcibly entered her home, right?  Shooting him dead without saying a word to him, from behind, with no warning, would have been completely legally legitimate.

// Bars would probably be a good plan, but she has no  obligation to put bars up.  The only people  obligated to do something to prevent break-ins are the burglars, who are obligated to  not farking break into houses.


Few years ago a new law passed in Florida, if you are with someone who commits a felony, you get charged too. Sure enough 3 village idiots tried to break into a man's home, he warned and the kid still tried to climb through the window and got shot. The other two kids were charged with murder.
You would think this curbs violence, apparently not since the crime rate has "barely" dropped 5% since this. Fact is criminals will continue to be criminals, guns control this fact.

The problem is however, you can say bad guys can't have guns, they laugh and show you their guns.
 
2014-03-02 08:58:24 PM
Good for her.

Also, I only managed to ignore 1 person out of 85 comments. Fark, you're slipping.
 
2014-03-02 08:59:16 PM
Jesus! Moving?  Yeh, I'm sure she can get an even trade for a home in a nicer neighborhood.  A gun is a few hundred dollars.  Moving involves the cost of the new property which I will bet is a few more dollars than a gun.
 
2014-03-02 09:00:10 PM

doglover: Lorelle: teenage mutant ninja rapist: doglover: Lorelle: You'd think that the homeowner would get a clue after the first break-in and 1) put bars on the windows, or 2) move to a safer neighborhood.

With what money?

Only two kinds of people live in Detroit anymore: those who want to move but can't afford it and those who want to move but really can't afford it.

Bars on the windows is a good way to die in a fire. Especially in an arson prone town like detroit. Furthermore if you have the nerve to pull a home invasion on someone, and you get shot to death in the process fark you to you deserved it.

One can buy quick-release window bars, dude.

For only a mere $1000's of dollars per home, and there's no other uses for them.

Meanwhile a gun is $100's and fills multiple roles in both defense, sport, and in rare cases track meets.


Then put security laminates on the windows. Cheaper than bars, and one can break the windows from the inside in case of fire.

It beats spending one's life clutching a gun 24/7, just waiting for the next break-in to occur.
 
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