theteacher: Weird how 7 year olds are held to high standards but corporations fight against higher standards all the time.
Jim_Callahan: I can understand people not thinking the common core is a high enough standard (I mean, it's intentionally the minimum acceptable standard at which you can even call an institution a "school", that's the point, really), but the people freaking out about it because it's "unfair", i.e. too hard, are... kind of a puzzle.I mean, it's hard to conceive of people that stupid, like, surviving to adulthood and successfully working out how reproduction works. So the objection just... doesn't make sense, it's like being against Hitler because the guy is just too goshdarn soft on those Jews.
Jim_Callahan: but the people freaking out about it because it's "unfair", i.e. too hard, are... kind of a puzzle.
Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Ah, Common Core, an education plan created with virtually no input from educators, from the founder of Microsoft's foundation that just happens to require computer-based testing so districts in 48 states have to invest millions in computers, virtually all of which will run Windows.
maddogdelta: Jim_Callahan: but the people freaking out about it because it's "unfair", i.e. too hard, are... kind of a puzzle.They're not terrified of it because it is "too hard".Here is the story...[1.bp.blogspot.com image 415x1500]Jeb and BillyG aren't pushing it because they want higher standards. They are pushing it as a means of destroying public education...Which is what the conservatives have been wanting since day 1.
FunkyBlue: It's not just that Common Core is your minimal standard, it's become the only standard. Nothing else matters except the test because they're using it to grade schools and teachers. Many schools have great teachers that are capable of teaching at a far more in depth level, but because the school is worried about the test scores, teachers no only concentrate on the test bed and nothing else.Why is that bad? Because it's memorization. It's teachers throwing subject matter at kids that pertains to the test but not enough time to explain the hows and whys. We are giving up creativity, improvisation, and innovation in exchange for memorization on a standardized test. We have bright kids that can learn the understanding of a subject matter and use that understanding to solve problems or create answers. Instead, we drop the opportunity for teachers to enrich that in kids. And we wonder why kids are "getting dumber" and our research sector is scouring for applicants.Common Core is also bad for kids for a couple reasons. It's demoralizing. Yeah, yeah, before your "Precious snowflake" comments start in, the first thing they do with kids is give them a test. Yes, they need a baseline to see what a kid knows so they can see progress as they go through classes. However, the first thing a kid experiences with school is a standardized test designed for them to fail because it's on subjects they've never learned. My kid started kindergarten this year. He was excited for school but walked out of his K registration brokenhearted because of how poorly he scored on the test. When it's close to test time and they start drilling the kids, he doesn't want to go to school anymore. That's exactly how we want our kids to view education.It's also bad because they're expecting them to learn things that they are not developmentally ready for. They want Kindergartners reading low-level books by the end of the year. They're too young for that. Yes, if you drill them enough, they can do it, b ...
Triumph: theteacher: Weird how 7 year olds are held to high standards but corporations fight against higher standards all the time.Bill Gates wants cameras in every classroom. I say cameras in every meeting he has.
Jim_Callahan: That's not really a complaint about common core,
Gotfire: [www.washingtonpost.com image 606x395]Why do they have British teeth?
Yakk: The assessment questions I have seen were not simple memorization but drawing meaning from passage(s) and showing evidence with a follow up question to explain where in the source material you derived that meaning. It really is trying to assess critical thinking and promote use of and value of data sources, when some might even conflict.
maddogdelta: Now BillyG and Pearson get together and make up the "Common Core" standards, which had no input from educators, only from corporations. N
whidbey: Do you have a citation on this? You're telling me that they don't even use educators as consultants?Granted, privatized schools are of concern, but I would like to know what you mean by "destroying education."
Vangor: The assessment questions I have seen were not simple memorization either but these were not drawing meaning or showing evidence but rather convoluted questions, especially Part B for the reading questions. Nothing about them is critical thinking because critical thinking is not possible with convergent answers.
Doc Lee: That's not true at all.
maddogdelta: The last time I checked, the National Governors Association was not a professional organization for school teachers.
Vangor: My only complaint about the standards themselves is the continued creep downward, especially when speaking of process-based standards, toward developmentally inappropriate concepts.
maddogdelta: Vangor: My only complaint about the standards themselves is the continued creep downward, especially when speaking of process-based standards, toward developmentally inappropriate concepts.Is that evidence that professional educators were involved in the process? I see it as evidence that professional educators were not involved in the process.
Yakk: State proprietary tests are a joke (I am told) in some regions and when scores based on the same types of tests, Common Core has 2 Smarter Balance (computer based) and PARCC (written) it is going to give us the first true picture of where everyone falls.
maddogdelta: Doc Lee: That's not true at all.Go ahead... look it up...The only place that says that educators were involved is the Common Core website and people quoting that website. I linked it before, but here you go.. Diane Ravitch has done quite a bit of homework on this.
Doc Lee: maddogdelta: Doc Lee: That's not true at all.Go ahead... look it up...The only place that says that educators were involved is the Common Core website and people quoting that website. I linked it before, but here you go.. Diane Ravitch has done quite a bit of homework on this.So you quote the blog of a nobody that reads like it's a conspiracy theorist's blog? No thanks.It doesn't even support your own argument.
maddogdelta: Here is where her research led her.
hardinparamedic: and less to teachers unions
Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Vangor: The assessment questions I have seen were not simple memorization either but these were not drawing meaning or showing evidence but rather convoluted questions, especially Part B for the reading questions. Nothing about them is critical thinking because critical thinking is not possible with convergent answers.I've seen some example reading questions from the common core. They're about the same as when I was in school. "This passage is mostly about a)....."These do nothing to improve student's critical thinking. For starters, there is usually more than one answer that could be convincingly argued, but, more importantly, they fail to give the children the space to argue. The children have to select from a list - they don't get to decide for themselves what the passage is about and then argue their position using the passage for support. Nothing about it is critical thinking.
Vangor: To note, not part of a union myself, and I feel none of those in my district nor state or any national one represents my interests enough to join, but teachers unions are not the problem with educational reforms. What teachers unions often argue for is stability in contracts and protection for teachers. Rather, the lack of teachers unions being involved in educational reforms is one of my gripes with them.
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