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2014-03-02 11:43:35 AM
Wouldn't it be faster and cheaper to use a backhoe?
 
2014-03-02 11:46:33 AM
Wouldn't it be faster and cheaper to use some pickaxes?
 
2014-03-02 11:56:45 AM
Wouldn't it be faster and cheaper to add a heating coil to the plow face?
 
2014-03-02 11:57:53 AM
Wouldn't it be faster and cheaper to just drive it to Florida?

// Srsly, I would have guessed 2 minutes.
 
2014-03-02 12:00:46 PM
Wouldn't it be faster and cheaper to use blowtorches?
 
2014-03-02 12:04:53 PM
Wouldn't it be faster and cheaper to use some de-icer
 
2014-03-02 12:51:01 PM
It's interesting that the description says that because the jet engine is 140 decibels, you have to wear ear plugs and ear muffs. I remember reading that the crowd noise in some NFL games gets that loud, so I wonder how many people have gone deaf from that.
 
2014-03-02 01:15:48 PM
Wonder if the driver of that truck ever tried running the jet engine with the brakes off. Now that might be a blast.
 
2014-03-02 02:45:53 PM
2 men with shovels and picks could have done that cheaper and in half the time.

/get some illegals and it's way cheaper........
 
2014-03-02 03:31:29 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Wouldn't it be faster and cheaper to add a heating coil to the plow face?


This.

It only takes getting the surface of the plow face a few degrees above freezing and the whole clump falls off. You'd think they could just keep it turned on all the time to maintain a constant temp of 40 degrees while plowing and they never even have to pull out the largest, most obnoxious, overkill solution I've ever seen.

I think about the people and animals close by that have to listen to that racket for an hour while it does something that could be accomplished by the time the engine got back to the yard.

People put these things on their houses with only 120volts

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2014-03-02 03:45:32 PM
Really? They just point a jet exhaust at it for half an hour? That's the solution? I'm betting there are 100 better solutions, including the ones above. Think of the amount of heat one could generate by burning the same amount of fuel as a jet engine running for 30 minutes.
 
2014-03-02 03:47:17 PM
I fully support using turbine engines in any and all applications.
 
2014-03-02 03:50:17 PM
While I'm not against working up a sweat and swinging hand tools, the ice on the front of that plow would have been compacted and much harder than concrete. Perhaps a hydraulic machine wasn't available for this
 
2014-03-02 04:06:15 PM
If I read the description correctly, it has a pneumatic system to deliver hot air under the plow, but it got jammed up.
 
2014-03-02 04:10:51 PM
Let's hope Juan Pablo Montoya avoids any train crossings in the future.

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2014-03-02 04:20:05 PM

Podmore: Really? They just point a jet exhaust at it for half an hour? That's the solution? I'm betting there are 100 better solutions, including the ones above. Think of the amount of heat one could generate by burning the same amount of fuel as a jet engine running for 30 minutes.


I've had a couple of railroads as customers over the years. Given the choice between saving a nickel and saving a drowning toddler, they'll always take the nickel.

If there was a way to do this that cost one penny less, they'd do it in a heartbeat *and* stiff mr. jet truck operator guy for his pension in the process.
 
2014-03-02 04:23:51 PM
Park it inside for a few hours (perhaps not practical), or heat up the plow blade itself with the train's exhaust system so the ice sloughs off. This seems like a huge capital and operating cost for what has to be the least efficient way of rectifying the situation. Heck, the truck with the jet engine mounted to it looks like it could just pull the ice off if anchored to it properly, or anchor it to the ground and have the train engine put it's horsepower to work.
 
2014-03-02 04:29:12 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Wouldn't it be faster and cheaper to add a heating coil to the plow face?


Came here to say this. There has got to be a cost effective way to keep that thing a few degrees above freezing.
 
2014-03-02 04:29:34 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-02 04:29:55 PM

itcamefromschenectady: It's interesting that the description says that because the jet engine is 140 decibels, you have to wear ear plugs and ear muffs. I remember reading that the crowd noise in some NFL games gets that loud, so I wonder how many people have gone deaf from that.


Well, the record is 137.6db at a football game. But that's only for a short time, it's not sustained.
 
2014-03-02 04:50:34 PM
Industrial zen.
 
2014-03-02 04:51:34 PM
I was waiting for the flame thrower to power up behind the jet engine.  The method in the video isn't that impressive.
 
2014-03-02 05:30:42 PM
I guess I was hoping for a lot more from that video.
 
2014-03-02 06:05:55 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Wouldn't it be faster and cheaper to use blowtorches?


Yeah, I could have cleared that with a Tiger torch in about 15 minutes.
 
2014-03-02 06:12:39 PM
Wow, such comment ignorance. On Youtube and FarkTube.

An hours worth of heating and melting is much better than 3 days, out of service, in the shop(if they have one) to do the repairs that are now quickly defrosted.

/Now off my steel plate lawn.
//Damn whipper snappers.
///Emergency repairs in winter are such fun.
 
2014-03-02 06:45:13 PM
watching paint dry is literally more interesting than that.
 
2014-03-02 06:46:59 PM

sheep snorter: Wow, such comment ignorance. On Youtube and FarkTube.

An hours worth of heating and melting is much better than 3 days, out of service, in the shop(if they have one) to do the repairs that are now quickly defrosted.

/Now off my steel plate lawn.
//Damn whipper snappers.
///Emergency repairs in winter are such fun.


Which comments are the ignorant ones? I didn't see anyone suggesting that they shouldn't clear the ice off, just that it seems like there should be a more efficient way.
 
2014-03-02 06:49:47 PM
lowfatveganchef.com
 
2014-03-02 07:01:00 PM
Came for the Juan Pablo Montoya lolz, leaving satisfied.
 
2014-03-02 09:14:31 PM
twistedmetal:

/get some illegals and it's way cheaper........

All the 'illegals' I have ever know were way too smart to go where it gets cold enough for snow to stick to the front end of trains.
 
2014-03-02 10:16:19 PM
Remember this scene from "The Long Kiss Goodnight"?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004051/?ref_=tt_trv_qu">Nathan: Alice, please. Your dog, Alice. It and my appetite are mutually exclusive.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0640341/?ref_=tt_trv_qu">Alice: Well, what's wrong with the dog?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004051/?ref_=tt_trv_qu">Nathan: Simple. He's been licking his asshole for the last three straight hours. I submit to you that there is nothing there worth more than an hour's attention. I should think that whatever he is attempting to dislodge is either gone for good, or there to stay. Wouldn't you agree?
 
2014-03-02 10:42:53 PM
I wonder if they ever thought of using TKS? They use it on airplanes.
 
2014-03-02 11:23:59 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Wouldn't it be faster and cheaper to add a heating coil to the plow face?


Meh, it's been done.

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2014-03-02 11:27:55 PM

inglixthemad: I wonder if they ever thought of using TKS? They use it on airplanes.


As stated before, why not just vent the diesel exhaust through the plow head with a heat exchanger?

The turbine should have its bearings checked -- it was burning far too much oil.
 
2014-03-02 11:40:48 PM

lohphat: Marcus Aurelius: Wouldn't it be faster and cheaper to add a heating coil to the plow face?

Meh, it's been done.


i.imgur.com

Instead of a jet engine, I think I would have put a big spike on the back of that truck, backed it up into the ice forming a hole and then tossed an m-80 or m-100 in.
 
2014-03-02 11:56:25 PM
Having railroaded for a few years.. and having a few friends who work for CP.. I can honestly say that they probably brought that jet out for the video and not use it on a regular basis.  If railroading can be done in the same manner as it was in the 1880's, that is the way they will do it. We had all sorts of fancy hydraulic, 2 stroke, and air tools.. but none of them had maintenance budgets so we used hammers and manual wrenches for everything.  Cutting rails was the only thing we used a power saw... cutting 136lb rail with a hacksaw takes forever.
 
2014-03-03 02:42:03 AM
So 90% of Farkers have ADHD and can't read more than two sentences of a video description?  Who knew?

The snow could not be left to melt on its own on the plow because it was suffering from an air leak affecting its pneumatic mechanism moving the wings in and out. Melted snow which refroze in the mechanism could disable it. Normally the procedure shown here is not performed.
 
2014-03-03 07:10:19 AM
just hire this guy
www.imfdb.org
 
2014-03-03 08:00:52 AM

SumoJeb: Having railroaded for a few years.. and having a few friends who work for CP.. I can honestly say that they probably brought that jet out for the video and not use it on a regular basis.  If railroading can be done in the same manner as it was in the 1880's, that is the way they will do it. We had all sorts of fancy hydraulic, 2 stroke, and air tools.. but none of them had maintenance budgets so we used hammers and manual wrenches for everything.  Cutting rails was the only thing we used a power saw... cutting 136lb rail with a hacksaw takes forever.


We had strips of thermite to do the work for us.
 
2014-03-03 08:39:18 AM

wildcardjack: If I read the description correctly, it has a pneumatic system to deliver hot air under the plow, but it got jammed up.


You read poorly.
 
2014-03-03 08:45:10 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Wouldn't it be faster and cheaper to add a heating coil to the plow face?


InterruptingQuirk: Marcus Aurelius: Wouldn't it be faster and cheaper to add a heating coil to the plow face?

This.

It only takes getting the surface of the plow face a few degrees above freezing and the whole clump falls off. You'd think they could just keep it turned on all the time to maintain a constant temp of 40 degrees while plowing and they never even have to pull out the largest, most obnoxious, overkill solution I've ever seen.

I think about the people and animals close by that have to listen to that racket for an hour while it does something that could be accomplished by the time the engine got back to the yard.

People put these things on their houses with only 120volts



lohphat: inglixthemad: I wonder if they ever thought of using TKS? They use it on airplanes.

As stated before, why not just vent the diesel exhaust through the plow head with a heat exchanger?



No, no, no, and no.

The amount of energy required to keep that blade warm far exceeds the amount of fuel required to push the train through the snow in the first place. Flexing the blade to crack it using pneumatics is far cheaper.

Basic thermodynamics.
 
2014-03-03 08:59:59 AM

SumoJeb: Having railroaded for a few years.. and having a few friends who work for CP.. I can honestly say that they probably brought that jet out for the video and not use it on a regular basis.  If railroading can be done in the same manner as it was in the 1880's, that is the way they will do it. We had all sorts of fancy hydraulic, 2 stroke, and air tools.. but none of them had maintenance budgets so we used hammers and manual wrenches for everything.  Cutting rails was the only thing we used a power saw... cutting 136lb rail with a hacksaw takes forever.


I would bet removing the ice was pointless anyway.  It was just sticking to the plow, so it wasn't like the ice was damaging or holding anything up.  They kind of proved they were just goofing around when he sat for almost an hour trying to melt that one ball of ice.
 
2014-03-03 09:29:19 AM

InterruptingQuirk: You'd think they could just keep it turned on all the time to maintain a constant temp of 40 degrees while plowing


Coils in the plow would make sense, but I don't think you'd want them on while plowing. If you melt the snow while pushing it, it will turn to ice quickly covering the plow and forming the glacier you see in the video, only it would form faster. Better to keep it cold while plowing and melt it later to remove it.
 
2014-03-03 09:30:49 AM
How about this?

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2014-03-03 10:25:33 AM

RobotSpider: InterruptingQuirk: You'd think they could just keep it turned on all the time to maintain a constant temp of 40 degrees while plowing

Coils in the plow would make sense, but I don't think you'd want them on while plowing. If you melt the snow while pushing it, it will turn to ice quickly covering the plow and forming the glacier you see in the video, only it would form faster. Better to keep it cold while plowing and melt it later to remove it.


Does ice form on your automobile windows when you turn on the conductive defrost units embedded in the rear window? They use the same method of conduction on airplane windshields, albeit with a layer of conductive film in place of wires, and those conditions at 500 mph and 40,000 feet have got to be more demanding than that of a 5mph train pushing through snow drift for the likelihood of ice buildup.
 
2014-03-03 10:47:47 AM

RobotSpider: If you melt the snow while pushing it, it will turn to ice quickly covering the plow


That's the beauty of heat.  It prevents the formation of ice.
 
2014-03-03 10:50:11 AM

fatbear: The amount of energy required to keep that blade warm far exceeds the amount of fuel required to push the train through the snow in the first place


Nope, not even close.  Airplanes de-ice their surfaces with heat all the time, and they're in far more extreme conditions than this, exposing far more surface area.
 
2014-03-03 11:50:35 AM

Marcus Aurelius: fatbear: The amount of energy required to keep that blade warm far exceeds the amount of fuel required to push the train through the snow in the first place

Nope, not even close.  Airplanes de-ice their surfaces with heat all the time, and they're in far more extreme conditions than this, exposing far more surface area.


Plowing through 5-20 feet of snow presents a greater thermal conductivity drain than does cold air at altitude. Think how quickly a red hot piece of metal cools when dunked in water.
 
2014-03-03 12:06:03 PM

lohphat: Marcus Aurelius: fatbear: The amount of energy required to keep that blade warm far exceeds the amount of fuel required to push the train through the snow in the first place

Nope, not even close.  Airplanes de-ice their surfaces with heat all the time, and they're in far more extreme conditions than this, exposing far more surface area.

Plowing through 5-20 feet of snow presents a greater thermal conductivity drain than does cold air at altitude. Think how quickly a red hot piece of metal cools when dunked in water.


Now I might have to do some math.  The plow surface only needs to hit 35 F, so assuming it's 15 F outside, that's only a difference of 20 degrees.  That's not a lot of heat.

The jetliner has lower densities of water to deal with, but at 30 below zero has to heat the leading edge up 65 degrees above ambient, and keep it there while traveling at 500 MPH.
 
2014-03-03 12:19:26 PM
I'm sure there are literally hundreds of orphan children that could be put to work with tiny pick axes to chip it off. Plus, they'll learn an honest trade.
 
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