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(Dayton Daily News)   Official in charge of regulating amusement park rides: "The industry is very self-policing. We do like small businesses. We work with companies rather than ding them for doing bad things." Because carnies are known for their business ethics, right?   (insurancenewsnet.com) divider line 51
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2014-03-02 01:27:57 PM  
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2014-03-02 01:45:06 PM  
It's the Carnie Code.
 
2014-03-02 01:48:25 PM  
 
2014-03-02 01:48:55 PM  
I'm the furthest thing from a monocle-wearing plutocrat yet even I wouldn't want you to ding companies for no good reason.

But FFS ding them for doing bad things because THAT'S YOUR GODDAMN JOB.
 
2014-03-02 01:49:15 PM  
I remember reading about a little girl who was decapitated on a neighborhood carnival ride. I'm sure her family would love to meet this guy.
 
2014-03-02 01:52:32 PM  
Small hands.... Smell like cabbage....
 
2014-03-02 01:57:44 PM  
Translation: My family and I don't go to amusement parks so I don't see what the big deal is about regulation.
 
2014-03-02 01:58:05 PM  
Hey, The Tooth Chipper was certified with the Krusty Seal of Approval - "It's not just good, it's good enough."
 
2014-03-02 02:01:06 PM  
"Your chances of being in a wreck or having a problem are greater driving down Interstate 75 than riding a roller coaster," said Dennis Speigel, president of International Theme Park Services Inc., a Cincinnati-based industry consultant.


Yeah, but at least my car has a airbag!
 
2014-03-02 02:01:09 PM  
Took on part-time work helping to assemble one of these rides once.  Co-workers were a hoot but you saw things you'd rather not see.

Which is why I tend to steer clear of these attractions whenever they are in town.
 
2014-03-02 02:02:23 PM  

K3rmy: Come on now. . .it can lead to some AWESOME rides.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_Park

http://weirdnj.com/stories/action-park/


What makes me think that most of the "action" occurs in the emergency room.
 
2014-03-02 02:02:35 PM  
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2014-03-02 02:03:57 PM  
We built a haunted house ride that we run commercially every Halloween, and I was surprised that it required zero official safety inspections.  We still overbuilt the crap out of it because the last thing we want is someone getting hurt, but I was astounded (but also very happy) by the lack of third party oversight.
 
2014-03-02 02:05:50 PM  

gunga galunga: It's the Carnie Code.


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Didja hear that Marge? The Carnie Code.
 
2014-03-02 02:06:31 PM  
1.  Hurt riders probably tend to sue.  This costs money
2.  Hurt riders probably talk about how they got hurt.  This costs ridership, and ergo money.
3.  A broken ride isn't taking passengers, thus isn't earning money.

Generally speaking, from what I'm reading about the statistics, riding a carnival ride is still generally safer than driving.

I'd also imagine that if a park doesn't fix the ride when the inspectors tell them to, that the fines would start rolling in.
 
2014-03-02 02:07:28 PM  
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Bad things happen at circuses and amusement parks. Just ask the guys from Alice In Chains' "I Stay Away" video!
 
2014-03-02 02:08:02 PM  
You know, amusement parks live or die by their reputation. I think most park operators are smart enough to know the value of having a stellar reputation for safety.

The acne ridden teen who straps you in on the other hand...
 
2014-03-02 02:09:23 PM  
I trust carnies as much as I trust pharma.  ignorance vs. willfully dishonest, seems similar enough.   the only difference is billions of dollars.
 
2014-03-02 02:11:37 PM  
"Who cares, it's done, end of story, will probably be fine"
 
2014-03-02 02:12:06 PM  

EnderX: "Your chances of being in a wreck or having a problem are greater driving down Interstate 75 than riding a roller coaster," said Dennis Speigel, president of International Theme Park Services Inc., a Cincinnati-based industry consultant.


Yeah, but at least my car has a airbag!


You only ride these things a couple times a year, you drive everyday.  So yes, the likelihood of being injured in a car is greater.

Louisville's 6 Flags had a young girl lose her legs after a worn cable had separated on one of those free fall rides.  Tragic event- park closed shortly after due to decreased revenues.  Decreased revenues may have been occurring all along, flimsy maintenance resulting from lack of funding may have been the culprit.  My opinion only.
 
2014-03-02 02:13:41 PM  
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2014-03-02 02:14:09 PM  
Yeah this is not gonna end well, and arbitterm while i think your right for major amusement park and the bigger miodway operators the smaller ones might not be careful on safety if its gonna majoring ding profits.
 
2014-03-02 02:14:51 PM  
"Not right now son... daddys talking to a policeman"

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2014-03-02 02:15:22 PM  

arbitterm: You know, amusement parks live or die by their reputation. I think most park operators are smart enough to know the value of having a stellar reputation for safety.

The acne ridden teen who straps you in on the other hand...


That applies much more to the stationary parks than the traveling carnivals.  A lot of the stationary parks are on the stock market.  They've got at lot at stake.  The true traveling carnies just barely getting by don't.
 
2014-03-02 02:17:45 PM  

12349876: arbitterm: You know, amusement parks live or die by their reputation. I think most park operators are smart enough to know the value of having a stellar reputation for safety.

The acne ridden teen who straps you in on the other hand...

That applies much more to the stationary parks than the traveling carnivals.  A lot of the stationary parks are on the stock market.  They've got at lot at stake.  The true traveling carnies just barely getting by don't.


True. But I wager most people who ride carnie rides will tell you that the underlying risk of death is all part of the thrill.
 
2014-03-02 02:19:08 PM  

Firethorn: 1.  Hurt riders probably tend to sue.  This costs money
2.  Hurt riders probably talk about how they got hurt.  This costs ridership, and ergo money.
3.  A broken ride isn't taking passengers, thus isn't earning money.

Generally speaking, from what I'm reading about the statistics, riding a carnival ride is still generally safer than driving.

I'd also imagine that if a park doesn't fix the ride when the inspectors tell them to, that the fines would start rolling in.


When revenues are low and there is little oversight, you tend to do what ya gotta do to get the ride up and running.

I'm sure "fixed" (year round such as Disney) ride owners tend to pay more attention to the details as they tend to face repeat customers and constantly have their reputation on the line.  Traveling carnies?  Blame it on the last set of locals we hired to assemble this rig.
 
2014-03-02 02:22:13 PM  
My type-fu is weak- I can never make a decent point without someone else getting there first.
 
2014-03-02 02:29:05 PM  

12349876: arbitterm: You know, amusement parks live or die by their reputation. I think most park operators are smart enough to know the value of having a stellar reputation for safety.

The acne ridden teen who straps you in on the other hand...

That applies much more to the stationary parks than the traveling carnivals.  A lot of the stationary parks are on the stock market.  They've got at lot at stake.  The true traveling carnies just barely getting by don't.


There used to be a big difference between an international destination like Walt Disney World, which lived or died on its reputation, vs. a traveling carnival, which traditionally would just pack up and leave town if trouble struck. Nowadays the situation is somewhat reversed. A carnival can't just hit the road and disappear anymore, but the big operators can lawyer up and make their problems fade away.
 
2014-03-02 02:29:11 PM  
Regulation... is it really as bad as the Republicans say it is?
 
2014-03-02 02:32:21 PM  
I'm shocked by the number of people here who can't differentiate between amusement park and carnival rides. Seriously. The amount of work and safety precautions that go into amusement parks is a lot more than most food you eat.
 
2014-03-02 02:37:17 PM  
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"Do you guys sell Elmer's glue and thumbtacks? We're trying to put together a Tilt-a-Whirl."

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2014-03-02 02:37:29 PM  

jayphat: I'm shocked by the number of people here who can't differentiate between amusement park and carnival rides. Seriously. The amount of work and safety precautions that go into amusement parks is a lot more than most food you eat.


This.

Disney, Six Flags, Busch Gardens; they are regulated and self-regulate up the wazoo. The few accidents are nearly always rider-caused.

Carny rides even at semi-decent fairs are designed to be dismantled and packed into semis every week. They're inherently less safe.
 
2014-03-02 02:47:34 PM  

Gyrfalcon: jayphat: I'm shocked by the number of people here who can't differentiate between amusement park and carnival rides. Seriously. The amount of work and safety precautions that go into amusement parks is a lot more than most food you eat.

This.

Disney, Six Flags, Busch Gardens; they are regulated and self-regulate up the wazoo. The few accidents are nearly always rider-caused.

Carny rides even at semi-decent fairs are designed to be dismantled and packed into semis every week. They're inherently less safe.


All part of Americana Fun!
I went to the fair this past summer for the first time in over 15 years. I'll never go back. 
Nearly $200 blown on crappy rides and crappy food.
 
2014-03-02 02:47:49 PM  

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2014-03-02 02:48:34 PM  
Carney teams can always dump a ride that broke when they up-stakes to the next place.  By the time they get to the next place, if local law enforcement groups have been communicating the carnies can still say "What broken ride? We don't have a ride like that in our stable.  You must mean the carneys coming after us"
 
2014-03-02 02:50:06 PM  

EdgeRunner: Nowadays the situation is somewhat reversed. A carnival can't just hit the road and disappear anymore, but the big operators can lawyer up and make their problems fade away.


The lawyer up may prevent big payment to the victim, but it's not going to stop the media attention and public perception, which is a big deal if you're on the stock market.  The carnie will just go bankrupt and another will quickly fill the gap.
 
2014-03-02 02:55:25 PM  
I chortle at the farkrage about the guy's statement that they work with companies rather than ding them. At a company I used to work at (different industry, but bureaucrats are bureaucrats), the fire inspectors and DOT inspectors would write up the violations, then give the company 30 days to rectify them. Only if they came back and the violations were still there would they issue fines. After all, the point was to have safe environments, not to raise revenue.

Awkward phrasing aside, I have the feeling that's the kind of arrangement this guy's talking about. But go ahead and be incensed that he's in the pocket of those dirty evil businesses.
 
2014-03-02 03:01:27 PM  
There is a big difference between amusement parks which are big investments and those carnival rides that travel around the country.  With the mobile rides if you have "incidents" in one state just put it on the trailer and go to the next state with lax regulations, rides basically can be put back into action until they finally literally fall apart.  I don't mind going to an amusement park with the kids, but I sure stay away from those carnival rides (and shudder to think of riding them when I was a kid).
 
2014-03-02 03:03:18 PM  

12349876: EdgeRunner: Nowadays the situation is somewhat reversed. A carnival can't just hit the road and disappear anymore, but the big operators can lawyer up and make their problems fade away.

The lawyer up may prevent big payment to the victim, but it's not going to stop the media attention and public perception, which is a big deal if you're on the stock market.  The carnie will just go bankrupt and another will quickly fill the gap.


Oh, I'd never argue that carnivals are safer than theme parks. Just that when it comes to aftermath, the parks are far better equipped to deal with the outcome, while fairground ride operators could potentially lose everything after a single accident. The old days of creeping away under cover of night are pretty much finished.
 
2014-03-02 03:07:22 PM  
And it looks like all I did was rephrase what you already said, so we're sort of in agreement. Sorry, doing three things at once and not really focusing here.
 
Ral
2014-03-02 03:07:54 PM  
I don't really see that traveling carnies and permanent theme parks are the same thing.
 
2014-03-02 03:18:05 PM  
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2014-03-02 04:03:27 PM  

Ral: I don't really see that traveling carnies and permanent theme parks are the same thing.


No one is saying they are , just that have similarities.   Heck in some ways as far as maintenance the Permanent amusement parks have it easier as their rides do not have to fold up for transport  and thus have fewer parts to worry about failing.

I remember once about 10 or so years ago the carnie outfit that was hired for the local county fair around here showed up with a bunch of rides and games that looked like they dragged them out of a pasture somewhere.

I did not feel safe riding any of the rides and only played the classic arcade games in the mobile arcade they had, and even there only half the games were working.

The fair boarded fired them and cancelled the contract and hired a different outfit the following year with much better results.
 
2014-03-02 04:50:23 PM  
As long as the oversight ensures that the ride meets regulation I don't give a toss if the regulatory agency is friendly and cooperative or mean and punitive. As long as it meets the requirement by use what's the harm in working together?
 
2014-03-02 04:55:43 PM  
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2014-03-02 04:57:15 PM  

interstellar_tedium: There is a big difference between amusement parks which are big investments and those carnival rides that travel around the country.  With the mobile rides if you have "incidents" in one state just put it on the trailer and go to the next state with lax regulations, rides basically can be put back into action until they finally literally fall apart.  I don't mind going to an amusement park with the kids, but I sure stay away from those carnival rides (and shudder to think of riding them when I was a kid).


My first bungee jumping experience was at 15, from a carnival-owned crane rig much like  this one. I shudder often when I think back on it, especially when I think about the shirtless guy, cigarette in mouth and smelling of PBR, that fastened my ankle harness.

// The 10'x10' inflatable mat on the ground was nice touch. I ~might~ have hit a corner of it on the first time down. Any incident after that and I think I would have landed on the beer tent.
 
2014-03-02 06:35:53 PM  

Gyrfalcon: jayphat: I'm shocked by the number of people here who can't differentiate between amusement park and carnival rides. Seriously. The amount of work and safety precautions that go into amusement parks is a lot more than most food you eat.

This.

Disney, Six Flags, Busch Gardens; they are regulated and self-regulate up the wazoo. The few accidents are nearly always rider-caused.

Carny rides even at semi-decent fairs are designed to be dismantled and packed into semis every week. They're inherently less safe.


^^THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS^^

Major theme parks != Carnies
 
2014-03-02 10:39:58 PM  

K3rmy: Come on now. . .it can lead to some AWESOME rides.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x564]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_Park

http://weirdnj.com/stories/action-park/


good reading, thanks!
 
2014-03-02 10:58:40 PM  
Because diligent inspectors don't get that extra cash to pay for the better things in life they deserve.
 
2014-03-02 11:29:42 PM  

suburbanguy: Major theme parks != Carnies


On the other hand carnie rides are pretty much universally less extreme to begin with.
 
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