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(AP)   Florida supreme court to death row inmate: "Sorry pal, you're not retarded enough to duck the death penalty. See you in hell"   (hosted.ap.org) divider line 92
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j4x
2014-03-02 01:06:09 PM

Kurmudgeon: " It keeps Fark's liberal contingent happy that a murderer gets to live out his life in prison. They are more worried about some asshole murderer than his victims"

Unlike Fark's conservative contingent who are happy that liars like Bush and Cheney can set off a slaughter in the middle east and get away with it.
They are more worried some asshole murderers than their victims.
That's why taking cons serious is just a waste of time, no one needs to hear that kind of derp.

/Took the bait, hook line and sinker. Jerked the asshole into the water and near drowned him


"EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH ME IS TROLLING"
 
2014-03-02 01:10:19 PM
Looking at the guys list of felonies including rape and murder, I am not buying the "retarded" defense. I think you're just an asshole. So yes, fark you, and see you in hell. Just another lame ass attempt to get away from his due punishment.
 
2014-03-02 01:12:19 PM

DarkVader: Murder by the state is never ok under any circumstances.

I don't care if his IQ is 170, this evil needs to be stopped.  The state has turned this man from a criminal into a victim of attempted murder, and they're still actively trying to murder him.  It's a crime against him, and it's a crime against humanity.

I would not be at all opposed to shipping the prosecutors, judges, and jurors involved in every murder by the state off to The Hague to be charged with violation of human rights and crimes against humanity.


/fine, we will let him go and he can come live with you on your money as he is unemployable.  Hope you dont have kids or a wife.
 
2014-03-02 01:17:51 PM

Penman: If he can't contribute to society, what reason is there to keep him alive?


I like the way you think- New America: population 800,000.
 
2014-03-02 01:18:04 PM
I hope this country ends the death penalty because of its irrevocability in the case of innocence and because of the inequity of its application regarding race, gender, wealth, etc. Having said that I don't care at all if this farker has limited cognition or not; if he actually committed the crimes he's convicted of then shooting him in the head like a rabid dog is the appropriate treatment.
 
2014-03-02 01:19:41 PM

Kurmudgeon: " It keeps Fark's liberal contingent happy that a murderer gets to live out his life in prison. They are more worried about some asshole murderer than his victims"

Unlike Fark's conservative contingent who are happy that liars like Bush and Cheney can set off a slaughter in the middle east and get away with it.
They are more worried some asshole murderers than their victims.
That's why taking cons serious is just a waste of time, no one needs to hear that kind of derp.

/Took the bait, hook line and sinker. Jerked the asshole into the water and near drowned him


So are you saying the proper solution to this mess is to move the inmate into dick cheneys house?
 
2014-03-02 01:29:58 PM

84Charlie: Penman: If he can't contribute to society, what reason is there to keep him alive?

Yes. It keeps Fark's liberal contingent happy that a murderer gets to live out his life in prison. They are more worried about some asshole murderer than his victims.


Sigh. Has it occurred to you that anti-death penalty folks aren't actually concerned about a convicted killer's welfare, but the far greater impact of having irreversible, state-sanctioned killings in a system rife with either incompetence or malice?

Based on what I've read, I wouldn't piss on this guy if he were on fire. However, it's more important to me that we not deliver punishments that can't be corrected. For some reason folks like you always misconstrue that as being more concerned about the felon than his/her victims. Fark this guy, but fark our imperfect justice system even harder.

By all means, please continue telling me what liberals actually believe. Next thing you know I'll find out that women want abortion parties alongside Botox and Tupperware.
 
2014-03-02 01:42:27 PM
Well... Bye. I'm less concerned about his IQ than his crimes. Why should he get a pass just because his IQ is low? That doesn't really make sense, not in this case. It's not like they might have the wrong guy.

Say I have a high IQ. Does that mean anyone with an average IQ should not have to pay off any debt to me?
 
2014-03-02 01:48:10 PM

omeganuepsilon: Duke_leto_Atredes: JabbaTheButt: Hmmm I wonder what the pregnant lady and her child might have been doing for the last 35 years.    Guess we'll never know.   Fry this guy.

Kill the Tard

He is of no use, and will always be a danger.

No use?  He could be a treasure trove of information if studied.

There is an important distinction between apathetic criminal and people too dumb to roam free.  The first category, psychopaths, are fairly well understood.  The later, though, refusing to admit that we could learn more about other various and sundry psychological issues, is being willfully ignorant to a fault.


We could test shampoo or new drugs. But people get really upset over that the PETA gets in on it next thing you have a real protest going on
 
2014-03-02 01:49:19 PM

Marcus Aurelius: His IQ isn't the real problem.  The real problem is he chose to be poor, and so he couldn't afford a crack legal team to keep him off of death row.

Don't choose to be poor in America.  It always works out badly.


Why do people with more money get better stuff?? The Government should fix that!!!
 
2014-03-02 01:51:13 PM
So Legally this Man with a low IQ cannot be Executed for his crimes, yet he can legally vote for Obama?

Flame ON!
 
2014-03-02 01:54:05 PM

jjorsett: Marcus Aurelius: His IQ isn't the real problem.  The real problem is he chose to be poor, and so he couldn't afford a crack legal team to keep him off of death row.

Don't choose to be poor in America.  It always works out badly.

The obvious solution to that problem is to make everyone use government defense lawyers drawn from a hat so their representation is equally crappy. And no pro se allowed either, cuz if you're a good lawyer that would give you an unfair advantage. This should apply to civil suits too: both the plaintiff and defense have to use (and pay for) assigned civil service drones to handle their cases.


Same thing with Doctors, why should rich people be able to hire Specialists while the common folk have to deal with the average physicians.  Oh wait, they did do that, it's called Obamacare.
 
2014-03-02 01:55:50 PM

JabbaTheButt: Hmmm I wonder what the pregnant lady and her child might have been doing for the last 35 years.    Guess we'll never know.   Fry this guy.


How dare you bring the victims into this!!!!  Can we get some emotional liberals to respond to this guy??
 
2014-03-02 02:05:49 PM

DarkVader: Murder by the state is never ok under any circumstances.

I don't care if his IQ is 170, this evil needs to be stopped.  The state has turned this man from a criminal into a victim of attempted murder, and they're still actively trying to murder him.  It's a crime against him, and it's a crime against humanity.

I would not be at all opposed to shipping the prosecutors, judges, and jurors involved in every murder by the state off to The Hague to be charged with violation of human rights and crimes against humanity.


Then you get to pay for his 3 hots & a cot,medical,dental,mental therapy,etc out of your own pocket.
 
2014-03-02 02:06:47 PM
Sorry, but if you want my sympathy, you need to convince me "He didn't kill those people."   Arguing "He did kill those people, but he's too stupid to know that killing people is wrong" just doesn't work out.
 
2014-03-02 02:13:24 PM
being a liberal type of person, mostly, I have problems with the person being described as mentally retarded.  He staged an abduction, I figure he was in a car at the time, so he drove away...  Intent, planning, severe lack of societal guidelines ... This person has been lying to the system his entire death-row existence.  I wouldn't be too surprised if he was much more intelligent, but dumbing down for the tests, as his lawyers have been advising for several decades, in order to extend his life.

/are firing squads still legal?
//waste of flesh
///waste of good drugs
 
2014-03-02 02:15:20 PM

DarkVader: Murder by the state is never ok under any circumstances.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/murder

mur·der
noun \ˈmər-dər\
1
:  the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought

Every killing doesn't qualify as murder.  If someone breaks into my house and starts trying to stab me and I shoot him, that's a self defense killing, not murder, because it isn't unlawful.

The guy in the article got sentenced.  His sentence isn't unlawful.  He got tried.  Then he got tried again.  Then he got a whole big pile of appeals. And the ruling of the court is that he gets the death sentence.

You certainly have the right to disagree with the death sentence as a concept.  But you aren't going to convince rational people that the death sentence is a bad idea by yelling "It's Murder!!!!!!@!@#@!#!@(*!!!!" and such.  Words have meanings, you can't just make up your own definitions and still sound rational.
 
2014-03-02 02:17:39 PM
 
2014-03-02 02:26:40 PM
Fark this guy.  I hope his end is even more painful and drawn-out than his pregnant victim's.
 
2014-03-02 02:31:21 PM

namatad: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-03-10/news/ct-met-illinois-de a th-penalty-history20110309_1_death-penalty-death-row-death-sentences

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution#United_States

We are all murderers until we stop the government from killing.
Period.


so be it, (comma) but should we care ? Question mark. Period.
 
2014-03-02 02:39:12 PM
"you're wandering into some weird territory buddy, are you sure it's where you want to be?"

Boy, I'm wherever I decide to go. Punting neo-cons around like a football is one of my occasional hobbies.
 
2014-03-02 02:50:13 PM

Kurmudgeon: "you're wandering into some weird territory buddy, are you sure it's where you want to be?"

Boy, I'm wherever I decide to go. Punting neo-cons around like a football is one of my occasional hobbies.


i'll assume calling me boy wasn't a racial thing.. regardless, neither american political party has a real good track record on the whole not killing people front. the only thing you managed to punt was logic
 
2014-03-02 02:56:54 PM

jacknifetrucker: DarkVader: Murder by the state is never ok under any circumstances.

I don't care if his IQ is 170, this evil needs to be stopped.  The state has turned this man from a criminal into a victim of attempted murder, and they're still actively trying to murder him.  It's a crime against him, and it's a crime against humanity.

I would not be at all opposed to shipping the prosecutors, judges, and jurors involved in every murder by the state off to The Hague to be charged with violation of human rights and crimes against humanity.

Then you get to pay for his 3 hots & a cot,medical,dental,mental therapy,etc out of your own pocket.



There's an argument to be made that the death penalty is more expensive than life in prison due to the more extensive initial trial and the more protracted appeal process.
 
2014-03-02 03:15:57 PM

Marcus Aurelius: His IQ isn't the real problem.  The real problem is he chose to be poor, and so he couldn't afford a crack legal team to keep him off of death row.

Don't choose to be poor in America.  It always works out badly.


It would appear that his IQ was a serious problem there. Too high to sit in the Florida legislature but not high enough to be fully legally responsible for his actions.
 
2014-03-02 03:23:22 PM
FTA: "A Floridian with an IQ as high as 75"...
Well, that explains a lot about Florida.
 
2014-03-02 03:36:25 PM
Yeah I'm not sure that being stupid and evil are mutually exclusive.
 
2014-03-02 03:37:40 PM
If we're going down the path that "death row = justice", why should the defendant's intelligence even matter? If they've been convicted in the first place, the jury has already decided that they did know right from wrong theoretically. The time to question intelligence is during the trial, not during a lengthy appeals process where every card that can be played will be played...

And if we're not going down the path that "Death row = justice", we really need to re-think a few fundamentals anyhow..
 
2014-03-02 03:51:21 PM
Some thoughts:

If there were a truly infallible method for determining guilt (and ruling out mitigating circumstances), I'd be all for brutal punishments for truly horrendous crimes.  To me, it's not "cruel and unusual" if it's less than what the perp did to his victims.  If a serial killer tortured all his victims to death--and his guilt were infallibly determined--I wouldn't consider it excessive if he were also tortured to death.

In the real world, however, the judicial system is hopelessly flawed like any other human institution.  And it's not 1 in a million is wrongly convicted; it's a lot higher than that.  For that reason alone, I have to oppose the death penalty.  You simply can't bring an innocent man back to life if he's been executed.

Personally, I would chose a quick lethal injection to spending the rest of my life rotting away in prison.  I figure that the prisoners who choose life at any cost over death are just dumb animals who don't really care about the quality of their life--maybe it takes 3-4 decades of shiatty prison life to enlighten them.

And that's where I came up with this brilliant plan:  voluntary capital punishment.  It's so brilliant that nobody in the judicial system would take it seriously.  The premise is that everybody, including felons, has a right to choose their death.  A murderer decides that he'd rather voluntarily die for his crime; he signs the proper legal documents and gets interviewed by a psychiatrist; then he gets a Kervorkian-approved suicide machine placed in his prison cell.

Voluntary capital punishment is a win-win situation all around.  Since the prisoner chooses it, that pretty much wipes out the tedious, never-ending appeals process for capital crime cases.  It allows the prisoner to atone for his or her crimes, gives some sort of closure to the victims' families, and spares the prisoner from a life behind bars.  That's why, if the idea of 'voluntary capital punishment' ever caught on, lawyers and jurists would oppose the hell out of it--it would make too much sense...
 
2014-03-02 04:39:44 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: DarkVader: Murder by the state is never ok under any circumstances.

I don't care if his IQ is 170, this evil needs to be stopped.  The state has turned this man from a criminal into a victim of attempted murder, and they're still actively trying to murder him.  It's a crime against him, and it's a crime against humanity.

I would not be at all opposed to shipping the prosecutors, judges, and jurors involved in every murder by the state off to The Hague to be charged with violation of human rights and crimes against humanity.

/fine, we will let him go and he can come live with you on your money as he is unemployable.  Hope you dont have kids or a wife.


I didn't say he needs to be released immediately.  I suspect he would likely need be put into a secure mental health facility for the rest of his life, which is where he should have been placed to begin with after he was found incompetent to stand trial, which is what should have happened in the first place.

But murder by the state needs to be taken off the table.
 
2014-03-02 04:46:58 PM

itcamefromschenectady: UNC_Samurai: TheHighlandHowler: The death penalty seems justified at times.   For a lot of reasons, it's not.  Flame on.

The death penalty is the only form of punishment that is irreversible. If it turns out a person serving life is innocent, they can still be released. There is no correcting a bad death penalty after the sentence is carried out.

People say that, but if you've already spent 20 years in prison, or died in prison, there's no giving that back. And conversely, people sometimes die of natural causes after many years on death row.


I think wrongful convictions should be compensated at the rate of $1million per year in prison, to be taken from the operating budget of the convicting court, police agency, and prosecutor's office responsible.  You can't give back 20 years, but you can make sure they leave prison wealthy, and that the responsible parties are poorer.

And to help keep prisoners from dying, we need to make sure that prisons are comfortable, safe, and have the best health care available in the world.  Sure, it'll be expensive.  But prison NEEDS to be expensive for society, to discourage its use.
 
2014-03-02 05:13:46 PM

Psycat: Some thoughts:

If there were a truly infallible method for determining guilt (and ruling out mitigating circumstances), I'd be all for brutal punishments for truly horrendous crimes.  To me, it's not "cruel and unusual" if it's less than what the perp did to his victims.  If a serial killer tortured all his victims to death--and his guilt were infallibly determined--I wouldn't consider it excessive if he were also tortured to death.

In the real world, however, the judicial system is hopelessly flawed like any other human institution.  And it's not 1 in a million is wrongly convicted; it's a lot higher than that.  For that reason alone, I have to oppose the death penalty.  You simply can't bring an innocent man back to life if he's been executed.

Personally, I would chose a quick lethal injection to spending the rest of my life rotting away in prison.  I figure that the prisoners who choose life at any cost over death are just dumb animals who don't really care about the quality of their life--maybe it takes 3-4 decades of shiatty prison life to enlighten them.

And that's where I came up with this brilliant plan:  voluntary capital punishment.  It's so brilliant that nobody in the judicial system would take it seriously.  The premise is that everybody, including felons, has a right to choose their death.  A murderer decides that he'd rather voluntarily die for his crime; he signs the proper legal documents and gets interviewed by a psychiatrist; then he gets a Kervorkian-approved suicide machine placed in his prison cell.

Voluntary capital punishment is a win-win situation all around.  Since the prisoner chooses it, that pretty much wipes out the tedious, never-ending appeals process for capital crime cases.  It allows the prisoner to atone for his or her crimes, gives some sort of closure to the victims' families, and spares the prisoner from a life behind bars.  That's why, if the idea of 'voluntary capital punishment' ever caught on, lawyers and jurists would ...


sure
but where is the part about rehabilitation?
no one is ever perfect
but unless we do something to rehabilitate and unless we forgive at some point, your plan leads to living in a land filled with one eyed criminals

an eye for an eye leaves no room for remorse and rehabilitation.

go back and watch shawshank redemption again
morgan freeman's character explains it better than I have ever seen done
 
2014-03-02 05:57:17 PM
Just because he's Asian doesn't mean he's retarded people. Sure he can't drive for shiat...
 
2014-03-02 06:12:09 PM
Why hasn't he been raped to death yet?
 
2014-03-02 07:21:41 PM
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Cyril!.... not again!
 
2014-03-02 09:33:25 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_E._Duncan_III

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire,_Connecticut,_home_invasion_mu rd ers

Dark Vader

There  are certain situations where a person needs to lose their race card, the human race card. Please tell me why the scum in these two stories deserve to take another breath? The things they have done are beyond reprehensible. They have proven that they have no redeeming qualities and no longer deserve to be any part of any society.
It is not about revenge it is about justice. They knew what they were doing and chose do what they did with any thought to any elses feelings or concerns. They did it for money of kicks. They should be dealt with severely and quickly. They have ruined and destroy people aside from the actual people murdered. Therse people are why the death penalty was created.
So please give a cogent argument as to why they should still be alive. Thanks
 
2014-03-02 11:55:41 PM
how is this a bad thing? Murderous retards should always be put down.
 
2014-03-03 07:39:49 AM
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2014-03-03 10:30:57 AM

buny101: how is this a bad thing? Murderous retards should always be put down.


And you don't see the problem here?
 
2014-03-03 10:45:49 AM

Richard C Stanford: FTA: "A Floridian with an IQ as high as 75"...
Well, that explains a lot about Florida.


Truly, King shiat of Turd Mountain.
 
2014-03-03 10:46:28 AM
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2014-03-04 02:57:26 AM

yakmans_dad: buny101: how is this a bad thing? Murderous retards should always be put down.

And you don't see the problem here?


I do not see a problem here. This is not a nice, gentle retard who accidentally killed a person through their mental defect. Instead, this is a violent animal who rapes and kills people that are not retards. If a pit bull is going around and mauling children, do you let it continue to do so? Or do you put it down? This is not much different, except for the fact that there is value in the dog. There is nothing of value in the retard. Let him go.....shhh....shhhh...let him go.
 
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