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(AP)   Florida supreme court to death row inmate: "Sorry pal, you're not retarded enough to duck the death penalty. See you in hell"   (hosted.ap.org) divider line 92
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2014-03-02 09:11:22 AM
Well, he's been ducking the death penalty for 35 years for killing a pregnant woman and a cop, and at this point will probably die of natural causes. Sooo... retarded like a fox?
 
2014-03-02 09:26:57 AM
Will this affect the guy who watches each and every one of these?
 
2014-03-02 10:17:31 AM
The death penalty seems justified at times.   For a lot of reasons, it's not.  Flame on.
 
2014-03-02 10:26:30 AM
His IQ isn't the real problem.  The real problem is he chose to be poor, and so he couldn't afford a crack legal team to keep him off of death row.

Don't choose to be poor in America.  It always works out badly.
 
2014-03-02 10:31:03 AM
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What the execution might look like.
 
2014-03-02 11:31:04 AM
Ah, the joys of state murder and blood lust.
 
2014-03-02 11:33:10 AM
KILL HIM!!!

/just kidding - I am against the death penalty
//life in prison
 
2014-03-02 11:38:59 AM

Marcus Aurelius: His IQ isn't the real problem.  The real problem is he chose to be poor, and so he couldn't afford a crack legal team to keep him off of death row.

Don't choose to be poor in America.  It always works out badly.


The obvious solution to that problem is to make everyone use government defense lawyers drawn from a hat so their representation is equally crappy. And no pro se allowed either, cuz if you're a good lawyer that would give you an unfair advantage. This should apply to civil suits too: both the plaintiff and defense have to use (and pay for) assigned civil service drones to handle their cases.
 
2014-03-02 11:39:12 AM
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2014-03-02 11:39:35 AM
Hmmm I wonder what the pregnant lady and her child might have been doing for the last 35 years.    Guess we'll never know.   Fry this guy.
 
2014-03-02 11:40:15 AM
The name "moron" was once applied to people with an IQ of 51-70, being superior in one degree to "imbecile" (IQ of 26-50) and superior in two degrees to "idiot" (IQ of 0-25).

Oddly enough, morons were always in high demand for industries like trucking, because they were far less likely to be bored or inattentive than people of normal intelligence, when faced with repetitive, mundane work.

But the relatively high degree of intelligence needed drive a truck also indicates that someone smarter than a moron, such as this individual, while a low C- on the intelligence scale, was likely quite able to harm or kill others and know what he was doing.
 
2014-03-02 11:41:47 AM
Be done with him.. he killed a cop and a pregnant woman.. to do that there has to be some level of retarded involved.  That long on death row is cruel as it is.. just off him or put him in GP.
My vote is off him but I am a dick like that.
 
2014-03-02 11:43:16 AM

JabbaTheButt: Hmmm I wonder what the pregnant lady and her child might have been doing for the last 35 years.    Guess we'll never know.   Fry this guy.


Kill the Tard

He is of no use, and will always be a danger.
 
2014-03-02 11:44:13 AM
If he can't contribute to society, what reason is there to keep him alive?
 
2014-03-02 11:45:28 AM
I'm not really pro-DP (or strongly anti), but I've worked with people on the lower IQ spectrum.  70 IQ (about the 3rd percentile... depending on the school that may be in regular classrooms not full-time special ed) is plenty to know "don't kill anyone" and what it means to kill someone.
 
2014-03-02 11:46:15 AM
FTA: "Hall's guilt is not at issue before the high court."

He did it. He did it all. Grow the fark up and learn to champion the right martyrs.
 
2014-03-02 11:49:29 AM

Penman: If he can't contribute to society, what reason is there to keep him alive?


Yes. It keeps Fark's liberal contingent happy that a murderer gets to live out his life in prison. They are more worried about some asshole murderer than his victims.
 
2014-03-02 11:50:20 AM

jjorsett: Marcus Aurelius: His IQ isn't the real problem.  The real problem is he chose to be poor, and so he couldn't afford a crack legal team to keep him off of death row.

Don't choose to be poor in America.  It always works out badly.

The obvious solution to that problem is to make everyone use government defense lawyers drawn from a hat so their representation is equally crappy. And no pro se allowed either, cuz if you're a good lawyer that would give you an unfair advantage. This should apply to civil suits too: both the plaintiff and defense have to use (and pay for) assigned civil service drones to handle their cases.


let's make robot lawyers
 
2014-03-02 11:50:47 AM
so you're saying the cops should have gunned the moron down during the fire fight before his arrest. got it!
 
2014-03-02 11:51:56 AM

dugitman: Well, he's been ducking the death penalty for 35 years for killing a pregnant woman and a cop, and at this point will probably die of natural causes. Sooo... retarded like a fox?


Sooo ... ugly is as ugly does?
 
2014-03-02 11:51:56 AM
The state should have killed him many years ago.
 
2014-03-02 11:52:19 AM
He is a rapist and a repeat murderer, for the most part I am anti death penalty because of the abuses but in this case he is like a mad dog so for both his and societal benefit it is best if he is put down
 
2014-03-02 11:54:09 AM
Duke_leto_Atredes:

Kill the Tard

He is of no use, and will always be a danger.


There are other measures of that.
 
2014-03-02 11:57:43 AM
Killed a pregnant woman and a cop and now he wants to escape Mr. Happy Needle?  That's real retarded, sir!
 
2014-03-02 11:58:58 AM

Penman: If he can't contribute to society, what reason is there to keep him alive?


And I often think this about many Farkers too.
 
2014-03-02 12:00:27 PM
Murder by the state is never ok under any circumstances.

I don't care if his IQ is 170, this evil needs to be stopped.  The state has turned this man from a criminal into a victim of attempted murder, and they're still actively trying to murder him.  It's a crime against him, and it's a crime against humanity.

I would not be at all opposed to shipping the prosecutors, judges, and jurors involved in every murder by the state off to The Hague to be charged with violation of human rights and crimes against humanity.
 
2014-03-02 12:02:39 PM
What's the big deal about it being a pregnant woman? I thought the popular opinion of many on Fark was that it's not a human until it's born? So did this guy kill three people or two?
 
2014-03-02 12:04:11 PM

DarkVader: Murder by the state is never ok under any circumstances.

I don't care if his IQ is 170, this evil needs to be stopped.  The state has turned this man from a criminal into a victim of attempted murder, and they're still actively trying to murder him.  It's a crime against him, and it's a crime against humanity.

I would not be at all opposed to shipping the prosecutors, judges, and jurors involved in every murder by the state off to The Hague to be charged with violation of human rights and crimes against humanity.


 if the cops had fatally shot him during the gunfight that led to his arrest, would that be ok? are you offended by all state sanctioned killing, or only really really deliberate killing?
 
2014-03-02 12:06:38 PM

DarkVader: I would not be at all opposed to shipping the prosecutors, judges, and jurors involved in every murder by the state off to The Hague to be charged with violation of human rights and crimes against humanity.


That is just precious!
 
2014-03-02 12:07:03 PM

84Charlie: Penman: If he can't contribute to society, what reason is there to keep him alive?

Yes. It keeps Fark's liberal contingent happy that a murderer gets to live out his life in prison. They are more worried about some asshole murderer than his victims.


Oh? What will killing this guy do for his victims?

If spilling his blood results in their resurrection, then I'll rethink my stance on the death penalty.

Until then he can rot behind bars.
 
2014-03-02 12:07:30 PM

TerminalEchoes: What's the big deal about it being a pregnant woman? I thought the popular opinion of many on Fark was that it's not a human until it's born? So did this guy kill three people or two?


One man, one woman, one clump.
 
2014-03-02 12:08:10 PM
Well when you use the population of Florida as the basis for your IQ Gaussian...
 
2014-03-02 12:10:55 PM
M maybe this guy can be useful making hassenfeffer. You just need a skinny smart man to tell him about the rabbits.

or maybe he was trying to save the people but hcouldn't nt take it back, boss

/tard shockin time
 
2014-03-02 12:11:12 PM
Why do people always cry "blood lust"?   The point of a death penalty is that once you decide that you don't want a person walking free in your society....ever, you have two choices.  One is the death penalty, the other is to house them like livestock until they die.  Even never being in prison, I think the first choice would be better.  Our court system has made either choice generally the latter by default.  Plus, corrupt police and prosecutors make either choice seem bad...

Society can't seem to win this one, but still I would not want the guy living with my family....just in case.

//would you?
 
2014-03-02 12:14:36 PM

TedRaceway: Why do people always cry "blood lust"?   The point of a death penalty is that once you decide that you don't want a person walking free in your society....ever, you have two choices.  One is the death penalty, the other is to house them like livestock until they die.  Even never being in prison, I think the first choice would be better.  Our court system has made either choice generally the latter by default.  Plus, corrupt police and prosecutors make either choice seem bad...

Society can't seem to win this one, but still I would not want the guy living with my family....just in case.

//would you?


I propose that we bring back exile. We could give them a blanket and drop them off in afghanistan. We could even land the plane before dropping them off
 
2014-03-02 12:16:55 PM
" It keeps Fark's liberal contingent happy that a murderer gets to live out his life in prison. They are more worried about some asshole murderer than his victims"

Unlike Fark's conservative contingent who are happy that liars like Bush and Cheney can set off a slaughter in the middle east and get away with it.
They are more worried some asshole murderers than their victims.
That's why taking cons serious is just a waste of time, no one needs to hear that kind of derp.

/Took the bait, hook line and sinker. Jerked the asshole into the water and near drowned him
 
2014-03-02 12:18:47 PM
The Florida got trumped again?
 
2014-03-02 12:19:32 PM

leevis: The Florida tag got trumped again?


ftfm
 
2014-03-02 12:21:47 PM

Kurmudgeon: " It keeps Fark's liberal contingent happy that a murderer gets to live out his life in prison. They are more worried about some asshole murderer than his victims"

Unlike Fark's conservative contingent who are happy that liars like Bush and Cheney can set off a slaughter in the middle east and get away with it.
They are more worried some asshole murderers than their victims.
That's why taking cons serious is just a waste of time, no one needs to hear that kind of derp.

/Took the bait, hook line and sinker. Jerked the asshole into the water and near drowned him


you're wandering into some weird territory buddy, are you sure it's where you want to be?
 
2014-03-02 12:30:51 PM

TedRaceway: Why do people always cry "blood lust"?


Because there is no other reason to kill a prisoner.
 
2014-03-02 12:31:52 PM

TheHighlandHowler: The death penalty seems justified at times.   For a lot of reasons, it's not.  Flame on.


The death penalty is the only form of punishment that is irreversible. If it turns out a person serving life is innocent, they can still be released. There is no correcting a bad death penalty after the sentence is carried out.
 
2014-03-02 12:34:28 PM
If Florida stopped executing retards it would in effect be abolishing the death penalty
 
2014-03-02 12:36:04 PM

jjorsett: The obvious solution to that problem is to make everyone use government defense lawyers drawn from a hat so their representation is equally crappy.


Or we could just recognize the limits of an adversarial legal system and switch to an inquisitorial system.
 
2014-03-02 12:36:35 PM

UNC_Samurai: TheHighlandHowler: The death penalty seems justified at times.   For a lot of reasons, it's not.  Flame on.

The death penalty is the only form of punishment that is irreversible. If it turns out a person serving life is innocent, they can still be released. There is no correcting a bad death penalty after the sentence is carried out.


People say that, but if you've already spent 20 years in prison, or died in prison, there's no giving that back. And conversely, people sometimes die of natural causes after many years on death row.
 
2014-03-02 12:39:18 PM

Truther: /just kidding - I am against the death penalty
//life in prison


sounds like this guy got both...
 
2014-03-02 12:42:33 PM

UNC_Samurai: There is no correcting a bad death penalty after the sentence is carried out.


If someone is wrongly sentenced to ten years in prison, and they catch the mistake after nine, the sentence has effectively been carried out as well. I appreciate what you're saying, but the contrast isn't as strong as you imply, I believe.
 
2014-03-02 12:44:43 PM

itcamefromschenectady: UNC_Samurai: TheHighlandHowler: The death penalty seems justified at times.   For a lot of reasons, it's not.  Flame on.

The death penalty is the only form of punishment that is irreversible. If it turns out a person serving life is innocent, they can still be released. There is no correcting a bad death penalty after the sentence is carried out.

People say that, but if you've already spent 20 years in prison, or died in prison, there's no giving that back. And conversely, people sometimes die of natural causes after many years on death row.


To your first point, that is a different failing of our correctional system. To your second point, death by natural causes is an uncontrollable factor. The decision by the people of a state to permit executions, is controllable.
 
2014-03-02 12:52:00 PM
Is it just me, or does the headline imply that the Florida SC is heading straight to hell?
 
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2014-03-02 01:04:24 PM

Marcus Aurelius: His IQ isn't the real problem.  The real problem is he chose to be poor, and so he couldn't afford a crack legal team to keep him off of death row.

Don't choose to be poor in America.  It always works out badly.


How about you don't kidnap and murder a farking pregnant woman and then murder a cop so you don't have to afford a high powered legal team.

farking bleeding hearts.
 
2014-03-02 01:04:58 PM

Duke_leto_Atredes: JabbaTheButt: Hmmm I wonder what the pregnant lady and her child might have been doing for the last 35 years.    Guess we'll never know.   Fry this guy.

Kill the Tard

He is of no use, and will always be a danger.


No use?  He could be a treasure trove of information if studied.

There is an important distinction between apathetic criminal and people too dumb to roam free.  The first category, psychopaths, are fairly well understood.  The later, though, refusing to admit that we could learn more about other various and sundry psychological issues, is being willfully ignorant to a fault.
 
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