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(NBC News)   Russian forces have disappeared from Simferopol, huge pro-Russian crowds are no longer present, and the Crimean peninsula returns to normal. Can we stop waxing the tadpole about WWIII now?   (nbcnews.com) divider line 79
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2014-03-02 08:00:09 AM  
5 votes:

jakomo002: And Russia has seen too many of her former satellites go over to the West (or even NATO), despite assurances after the USSR dissolved by the West that they would never.


Yeah, except I don't think those assurances were the West's to give. Once those former satellites are free countries, they get to choose who they want to associate with -- neither East nor West gets to use them as bargaining chips or unwilling buffer states.

The irony here is that it's precisely Russia's bullying, racist, nationalist, militaristic, censorious descent into near-dictatorship that is pushing the countries of central Europe into the arms of Europe. (And incidentally, several of them have centuries of ties with Europe long before they spent 50 years in the freezer of the Cold War.)
2014-03-02 08:07:43 AM  
4 votes:

jakomo002: Except their former satellites were actively and aggressively recruited into NATO by the West.
I mean, how is it that ALL these countries suddenly get membership into NATO between 1999 and 2004? The NORTH ATLANTIC Treaty Organization.


I'm going to go with "because the Soviet Union acted like assholes towards them for half a century, and the Russian Federation continued the policies of their predecessors".

They are free countries. If Russia didn't want them to ally themselves with NATO it should have offered them a more attractive deal, rather than threatening and bullying and trying to pretend that the world had not changed and it still had an empire in all but name.

But let me turn the question around: why do YOU think all those countries rejected the Warsaw Pact and joined NATO the moment they had a free choice?

(You *do* realize that none of those countries were members of the Warsaw Pact of their own free will, right?)
2014-03-02 10:09:52 AM  
3 votes:

jakomo002: Except their former satellites were actively and aggressively recruited into NATO by the West.
I mean, how is it that  ALL these countries suddenly get membership into NATO between 1999 and 2004?  The NORTH ATLANTIC Treaty Organization.

Czech Republic  Warsaw Pact 1955-1991
 Hungary Member of the rival Warsaw Pact 1955-1991.
 Poland Member of the rival Warsaw Pact 1955-1990.
 Bulgaria Member of the rival Warsaw Pact 1955-1991.
 Estonia Member of the rival Warsaw Pact 1955-1991
 Latvia Member of the rival Warsaw Pact 1955-1991
 Lithuania Member of the rival Warsaw Pact 1955-1991
 Romania Member of the rival Warsaw Pact 1955-1991.
 Slovakia Member of the rival Warsaw Pact 1955-1991 as part of Czechoslovakia.
 Slovenia Previously part of Yugoslavia 1945-1991 (Non-aligned)


NATO didn't have to aggressively recruit anyone. Most of those guys as soon as they could said, "It's only a matter of time. What happens next time Russia invades? Better be a member of NATO."

If anything, some of them faced a shiatload of opposition from NATO, especially the Baltics.
2014-03-02 09:29:37 AM  
3 votes:
Jeez, what's with all the Russian apologists here? Russia has invaded Ukraine's sovereignty, an action in violation of a few treaties. The fact that you can spin the facts and claim that it is "to protect" Russian speaking population is irrelevent. Crimea is not part of Russia, and the population are not Russian citizens despite the sudden availability of Russian passports. Russian speaking people were not under any direct threat either, there were some flare ups, but certainly nothing to justify the tanks moving in.

Whether Russia recognizes the new gov't in Kyiv is irrelevent too. Yanukovych was removed democratically, even his own party abandoned him. He is no longer the President of Ukraine and in fact, should be on a flight to Switzerland to face charges of mass murder.

And the east-west split in Ukraine is not as simple any more so stop thinking the East would welcome Putin. They may speak Russian in the East but they, for the most part, do not want to be part of Russia. The East was well represented both at Maidan and in regional protests.

Now, what to do? Options are limited. I think Putin is trying to antagonize the Ukrainians into firing the first shot, then he can hit hard. The fact that there wasn't some knee-jerk reaction from Ukraine probably surprised him and now he's left a bit exposed diplomatically. US troops-probably not good. NATO? Maybe send some observers or try to secure air space but not boots on the ground. Best short term option may be to do nothing but keep calm. Economic sanctions against Russia, pulling out of G8 and stopping investments in Russia, a NATO "presence" are doable options, I think.

Best course would be to continue to work with Ukraine's new gov't to stabilize the economic situation. That needs to be the first step, the uncertainty in the country now is everyone's enemy and Putin's best friend.
2014-03-02 09:16:42 AM  
3 votes:
Sigh. I said this in a thread the other day. Putin deserves a swift, hard punch to the cock.

From teh beeb:

Mr Putin said Moscow reserved the right to protect its interests and those of Russian speakers in Ukraine.

President Putin submitted his request for troops to the Russian parliament on Saturday "in connection with the extraordinary situation in Ukraine and the threat to the lives of Russian citizens", the Kremlin said.


Don't like how the Ukrainian government is governing Ukrainian citizens in Ukraine?

i.imgur.com

And the spin from Russia is sick. The interim government repealed a law that weird Vik passed recognising Russian as an official language; Russia says that's discrimination.

It won't happen, but I think the Kinison solution is the best. Want to be Russian? Move to farking Russia.

And, since Russia's line is about how Russian Ukraine is, perhaps, just for shiats and giggles, we should give Russia's seat on the UN security council to Ukraine. There's a past precedent there, with PRC taking ROC's seat; that would declaw Putin massively.

/Absolut fantasy of course.
//Cheeky vodak reference achieved,
2014-03-02 07:59:11 AM  
3 votes:

jakomo002: And Russia has seen too many of her former satellites go over to the West (or even NATO), despite assurances after the USSR dissolved by the West that they would never.


Good point. We should let Russia annex Ukraine to make up for all those former satellite states' decisions to act in their own best interests.
2014-03-02 07:45:10 AM  
3 votes:

SuperSeriousMan: Wolf_Blitzer: How does anything that <b>AngryDragon</b> just referred to sound anything like "returns to normal" to you?

Oh, I dunno... maybe the paragraph I posted - the one from TFA that was right after the paragraph he posted but (like you) apparently didn't read.

Here, I'll post it again, and this time in nice bold text so even you can't miss it:  "However, there were no signs of any troops in Simferopol, or any crowds in the squares where masked gunmen were seen on Saturday."

And here's the next paragraph, just to amplify: "That appeared to underline reports that Russia has secured control of Crimea without any signs of military engagement."

/ reading comprehension, how does it work?


It's not normal if Russia has taken over Crimea, which is what the second quote says.  Just in case you don't see why that's what it says, it says "to underline" and not "to undermine."  Basically, they rolled in, took over, and then had no need to occupy in force because no one gave them any lip.
2014-03-02 07:34:07 AM  
3 votes:

Marmilman: Thanks fark mods for green lighting complete bullshiat newsflashes for the second time in a row.


Coming here for news instead of entertainment is a little pointless.  Look at the posts.  If you want to follow the issue I suggest.

Reddit Live Blog

Euromaidan Twitter Account

BBC Live Blog

Hromadske.tv
2014-03-02 07:28:02 AM  
3 votes:

K3rmy: bah, it was nothing more than an attempted land grab.  Putin had no muscle behind it and he knew it.  He withdrew the troops as he knew that they could not withstand  a wayward wind blowing to hit them and Hopey McChange was not a person he could show his face in the world after (appearing to be) punked down.  This is not to say that Russia has no forces worth reckoning with - they simply did not send any to play in Crimea.

Putin is not done there yet.  He is plotting. . .scheming.  The US may currently have a helmet-headed special needs child as president but those types tend to hit hard.  (The exception was Chimpy McFlightsuit who was too busy spending time at his ranch at the beginning of his first term to do anything of consequence)


Well, that was equally idiotic no matter what direction you view it from. Spherically stupid, so to speak.
2014-03-02 07:25:24 AM  
3 votes:

jakomo002: What people tend to forget is that a lot of Ukrainians want nothing to do with the EU.

Their fear is that once the EU calls in the IMF and World Bank, they'll shove "austerity" down people's throats and they'll be thoroughly farked. Or Latvia-ed.


What other people tend to forget is that the way to resolve a question like that is for the people of the Ukraine to use the democratic process at their disposal, not for a neigboring superpower to farking invade and impose its will.
2014-03-02 06:53:26 AM  
3 votes:

AngryDragon: FTA: "Hundreds Of Russian Troops Seen On Road To Simferopol ...Twelve military trucks carrying troops, a Tiger vehicle armed with a machine gun and two ambulances were seen by Associated Press journalists on the road heading from Sevastopol - the Crimean port where Russia has its naval base - to Simferopol "

That's an odd definition of both "disappeared" and "normal", but ok.


Yep,

Ukrainian soldiers gather behind main gate of their base as it's surrounded by Russian commandos.

distilleryimage8.ak.instagram.com

Russian soldiers surrounding Ukrainian base at Perevalne in Crimea

pbs.twimg.com
2014-03-02 10:54:09 AM  
2 votes:

Oldiron_79: So serious question, if Canada or Mexico was having the sort of instability verging on a civil war that the Ukraine is having right now, who in here thinks the US would not get involved?


Have you LOOKED at Mexico over the past 50 years?
2014-03-02 10:42:21 AM  
2 votes:

DanInKansas: Rhino_man:
Thanks for making a foe where there wasn't one before, Romney. Good farkin' job.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  That was funny.  Yes, Putin, the former KGB op and mob boss, was a Russian Pope Francis and general good buddy to the Free World before Mitt Romney hurt his feelings.

Go back to Theodore Roosevelt and the end of the Russian-Japanese war.  Russians have not particularly had warm feelings about America or its intentions towards them for at least 110 years now. Probably didn't help when we invaded in 1919, considering Americans are still carrying paper on the English for burning down the White House in 1812.


Don't be naive.

Diplomatically, there's a *vast* difference between seeing someone as a bad guy and formally, publicly stating it. Witness Dubya's top-late backpedaling on his "axis of evil" speech. A secret but budding rapprochement with Iran, including active cooperation on hunting terrorists, was stopped cold and in fact reversed as a result.

No one is saying Putin was a good guy. But once a President publicly declares him to be evil-- even if that declaration happens only while a nominee-- a lot of diplomatic options get pulled off the table.

Only an idiot voluntarily reduces his own room for maneuver. Only an ignorant fool-- or a selfish, politicking one-- reduces the country's diplomatic options. Mittens was all these things.

Obama almost certainly knew what Putin was. But he, or at least the advisors he listened to, were smart enough to finesse it and leave as many cards to play as possible.
2014-03-02 10:05:53 AM  
2 votes:
If Crimea wants to leave the rest of Ukraine and become an independent nation and/or join Russia, fine.  Have a referendum.  But the matter should be settled by votes, not by Russian tanks.

Sure, and then Putin will allow his republics like Dagestan and Chechnya vote to leave Russia as well?  Russia has 21 Republics that would love to have a referendum and their decisions honored by Russia
2014-03-02 10:02:24 AM  
2 votes:

Grahor: jakomo002: Except their former satellites were actively and aggressively recruited into NATO by the West.
I mean, how is it that  ALL these countries suddenly get membership into NATO between 1999 and 2004?  The NORTH ATLANTIC Treaty Organization.

Well, obviously to have protection from Russia. As a Latvian, I'm perfectly okay with being protected from Russia by the NATO. As for the North Atlantic part, well, it's just a name without actual meaning.

However. Much as I like my own country _not_ to be part of Russia, Crimean people overwhelmingly want at least Russian protection. Because Ukrainian police and army apparently can't provide it; or at least provide to the satisfaction of Crimean population. If we, Latvia, have the right of self-determination to escape Russia and seek protection from it with NATO, then Crimea have the right of self-determination to escape the rest of Ukraine and seek protection with Russia.

You can't have the right of self-determination for some and don't have it for others.

Now, if Russians were to go where they are not invited (say, Kiev) - then it'll be a clear, no ifs, buts and howevers invasion. They weren't, so it's not as clear cut.


If Crimea wants to leave the rest of Ukraine and become an independent nation and/or join Russia, fine.  Have a referendum.  But the matter should be settled by votes, not by Russian tanks.
2014-03-02 09:44:20 AM  
2 votes:

Rhino_man: utah dude: don't worry, Russia's not a threat according to BlackJesus. HeavenForbid RichMormon had something to say about this months ago,

MR. ROMNEY: Excuse me. It's a geopolitical foe. And I said in the same - in the same paragraph, I said, and Iran is the greatest national security threat we face. Russia does continue to battle us in the U.N. time and time again. I have clear eyes on this. I'm not going to wear rose-colored glasses when it comes to Russia or Mr. Putin, and I'm certainly not going to say to him, I'll give you more flexibility after the election. After the election he'll get more backbone.

... and after that comment, Putin stepped up his sabre-rattling because he suddenly realized that 47% of voting Americans agreed with a guy who wanted to wave his dick at Russia on TV.

Thanks for making a foe where there wasn't one before, Romney. Good farkin' job.


This. As I said in the previous Crimea thread, perhaps Obama saw the threat just as clearly as Mittens, but was smart enough to prevent limiting our diplomatic options by not making an open enemy of Putin.
You know, not hamstringing a decade of national policy for a couple of temporary poll points. Thinking presidentially, one might say.
2014-03-02 09:12:12 AM  
2 votes:

jakomo002: Czech Republic Warsaw Pact 1955-1991
Hungary Member of the rival Warsaw Pact 1955-1991.
Poland Member of the rival Warsaw Pact 1955-1990.
Bulgaria Member of the rival Warsaw Pact 1955-1991.
Estonia Member of the rival Warsaw Pact 1955-1991
Latvia Member of the rival Warsaw Pact 1955-1991
Lithuania Member of the rival Warsaw Pact 1955-1991

Romania Member of the rival Warsaw Pact 1955-1991.
Slovakia Member of the rival Warsaw Pact 1955-1991 as part of Czechoslovakia.
Slovenia Previously part of Yugoslavia 1945-1991 (Non-aligned)


WTF is wrong with you?

France Member of the rival 3rd Reich 1940-1944
2014-03-02 09:00:42 AM  
2 votes:

Rhino_man: utah dude: don't worry, Russia's not a threat according to BlackJesus. HeavenForbid RichMormon had something to say about this months ago,

MR. ROMNEY: Excuse me. It's a geopolitical foe. And I said in the same - in the same paragraph, I said, and Iran is the greatest national security threat we face. Russia does continue to battle us in the U.N. time and time again. I have clear eyes on this. I'm not going to wear rose-colored glasses when it comes to Russia or Mr. Putin, and I'm certainly not going to say to him, I'll give you more flexibility after the election. After the election he'll get more backbone.

... and after that comment, Putin stepped up his sabre-rattling because he suddenly realized that 47% of voting Americans agreed with a guy who wanted to wave his dick at Russia on TV.

Thanks for making a foe where there wasn't one before, Romney. Good farkin' job.


You're blind if you couldn't see Putins desire for power - the man has been pm or president for almost 15 years - he "won" 99% of the vote in Chechnya - you know that place that has been fighting Russia for almost a decade now?

For an informed person your lack of information on this topic makes me sad - go study and come back to the conversation later.
2014-03-02 08:53:14 AM  
2 votes:

Fail in Human Form: Marmilman: Thanks fark mods for green lighting complete bullshiat newsflashes for the second time in a row.

Coming here for news instead of entertainment is a little pointless.  Look at the posts.  If you want to follow the issue I suggest.

Reddit Live Blog

Euromaidan Twitter Account

BBC Live Blog

Hromadske.tv


It's too bad that in this country we don't have some kind of, you know, TV station giving us actual news. That would be a nice thing to have.
2014-03-02 07:28:45 AM  
2 votes:

hobbes0022: This doesn't even feel real, major modern countries like Russia still invade their neighbors?  They didn't even call them an axis of evil.


Guess you slept through Russia's invasion of Georgia in 2008?
2014-03-02 07:25:37 AM  
2 votes:

czetie: hobbes0022: This doesn't even feel real, major modern countries like Russia still invade their neighbors?  They didn't even call them an axis of evil.

If Putin insists that sending troops into another country is "legitimately protecting Russia's interests" just because some of them are ethnically Russian, then I have a horrible feeling that we're all about to learn the Russian words for "Lebensraum" and "Volksdeutsche".

Also noteworthy that Putin doesn't feel at all the same way about ethnic non-Russians who want to break away from Russia...


Farking THIS.  The whole thing has just been echoes of "DANZIG IST DEUTSCHE" to me.
2014-03-02 06:59:00 AM  
2 votes:
g1.dcdn.lt
2014-03-02 06:48:31 AM  
2 votes:
FTA: "Hundreds Of Russian Troops Seen On Road To Simferopol ...Twelve military trucks carrying troops, a Tiger vehicle armed with a machine gun and two ambulances were seen by Associated Press journalists on the road heading from Sevastopol - the Crimean port where Russia has its naval base - to Simferopol "

That's an odd definition of both "disappeared" and "normal", but ok.
2014-03-02 06:48:08 AM  
2 votes:
Not knowing where they are doesn't mean they went home.
2014-03-02 06:42:57 AM  
2 votes:
4.bp.blogspot.com
2014-03-02 04:25:50 PM  
1 votes:
And now the White House just released a statement that the Russian military has 'complete operational control' of the Crimean area. Russians also just cut power to the main Ukrainian naval base.
2014-03-02 04:06:39 PM  
1 votes:

Tatterdemalian: Well, if you only care about surface appearances, sure, everything is back to normal. After all, who cares who's taken over the infrastructure, as long as they aren't openly carrying scary assault rifles?

/then the left wonders why the world keeps going crazy on them
//it's like actions matter more than words to everyone except the liberals


What are you on about? Kerry was on all the networks this morning calling it an invasion. Who are these liberals of which you speak?

/I suspect subby is just an idiot, or a pro-Putin Russian
//but I repeat myself
2014-03-02 12:47:52 PM  
1 votes:

czetie: Rhino_man: czetie: hobbes0022: This doesn't even feel real, major modern countries like Russia still invade their neighbors?  They didn't even call them an axis of evil.

If Putin insists that sending troops into another country is "legitimately protecting Russia's interests" just because some of them are ethnically Russian, then I have a horrible feeling that we're all about to learn the Russian words for "Lebensraum" and "Volksdeutsche".

Also noteworthy that Putin doesn't feel at all the same way about ethnic non-Russians who want to break away from Russia...

Farking THIS.  The whole thing has just been echoes of "DANZIG IST DEUTSCHE" to me.

I was thinking more of the Sudetenland, but yeah, Danzig works too.


Right after hosting an Olympic games too...
2014-03-02 11:40:03 AM  
1 votes:

Animatronik: Oldiron_79: So serious question, if Canada or Mexico was having the sort of instability verging on a civil war that the Ukraine is having right now, who in here thinks the US would not get involved?

So serious answer: HELL NO. The U.S.would not invade either unless a foreign power intervened.

Serious question: Did we ever make a serious attempt to invade Cuba, which is 200 miles from the U.S.??


www.forensicgenealogy.info
2014-03-02 11:39:20 AM  
1 votes:

lobotomy survivor: From http://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-kerry-warns-of-consequences-for-russ i a-after-ukraine-invasion/

Kerry said on "Face the Nation" Sunday, adding that Russia has violated Ukraine's sovereignty and several of its obligations under international agreements. "You just don't in the 21st Century behave in 19th Century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pretext."

Satire is truly dead.


You know why the UN never sanctioned the U.S. for Iraq? Not because of our Security Council veto; they never VOTED to sanction the U.S. Because even without WMDs, Iraq had been violating UN post-Gulf-War resolutions since the early '90s, and the U.S. invaded in pursuit of enforcing those resolutions. The U.S. invasion of Iraq was unnecessary and ill-advised, and the occupation was utterly incompetent, but it wasn't illegal.

Russia doesn't even have a fig leaf here, and if they don't cut it out, the international response to their invasion of Afghanistan is going to look like a loving hug. Russia can't afford to be cut off from international trade; their entire economy is dependent on exporting oil and gas to Europe.
2014-03-02 11:31:30 AM  
1 votes:

jakomo002: ransack.: All sovereign nations are free to do as they please, in reality. An act being considered "illegal" means that you will be punished by your government if you are proven to have done this. There is no government of international events. These things are controlled by worthless promises made in the past, and weapons. Every government must ultimately be expected to do what is most beneficial to its population, if it's a decent government.

You sound Israeli.

There is the UN, the ICC, treaty organizations and this strange thing called International Law.  Countries can break those laws with impunity (like the US, Russia, DKRP), but it is still illegal and contrary to international law.


Born and raised Hoosier, actually. Except for July 30-August 1 2004, I've been in America my whole life.

There's no law without enforcement. Who do you think has the most power to enforce?
2014-03-02 11:27:20 AM  
1 votes:

Animatronik: Oldiron_79: So serious question, if Canada or Mexico was having the sort of instability verging on a civil war that the Ukraine is having right now, who in here thinks the US would not get involved?

So serious answer: HELL NO. The U.S.would not invade either unless a foreign power intervened.

Serious question: Did we ever make a serious attempt to invade Cuba, which is 200 miles from the U.S.??


You might want to add some qualifiers there... like... did we ever make a serious attempt to invade  Communist Cuba?

Cause, as worded, that question doesn't support your point.

/1895, 1912, 1916.  Especially 1916.
2014-03-02 11:22:57 AM  
1 votes:

Oldiron_79: So serious question, if Canada or Mexico was having the sort of instability verging on a civil war that the Ukraine is having right now, who in here thinks the US would not get involved?


So serious answer: HELL NO. The U.S.would not invade either unless a foreign power intervened.

Serious question: Did we ever make a serious attempt to invade Cuba, which is 200 miles from the U.S.??
2014-03-02 11:05:33 AM  
1 votes:
Bomb Head Mohammed:
You haven't been watching much Russian media then recently.  Russian propaganda today is so blatant it would make goebbels blush.  I watche a video a few days ago where they had quite literally shown pictures of Berkut riot police shooting protesters in kiev where they had crudely photoshopped out the word "berkut" from the back of their uniforms and claimed that it was fascist-neo-nazi-EU death squads gunning down passersby.   "shameless propaganda" is too kind.

Folks, the US may have a lot of problems, but other places are far worse.  Putin's Russia is one of them.


I caught RT overseas in Laos and they had a two hour long talk show seriously discussing if 9/11 and Sandy Hook were false flag operations and had some blubbering vagina from infowars sharing his "thoughts."

I would mock it but I know some underprivileged, uneducated Russia in some far off province is taking it seriously because that is the only news they can get.  Absurd.
2014-03-02 10:59:40 AM  
1 votes:
From http://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-kerry-warns-of-consequences-for-russ i a-after-ukraine-invasion/

Kerry said on "Face the Nation" Sunday, adding that Russia has violated Ukraine's sovereignty and several of its obligations under international agreements. "You just don't in the 21st Century behave in 19th Century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pretext."

Satire is truly dead.
2014-03-02 10:58:14 AM  
1 votes:
generallyso: hobbes0022: This doesn't even feel real, major modern countries like Russia still invade their neighbors?  They didn't even call them an axis of evil.

Maybe the Russian public isn't stupid enough to swallow such ham-fisted propaganda.

You haven't been watching much Russian media then recently.  Russian propaganda today is so blatant it would make goebbels blush.  I watche a video a few days ago where they had quite literally shown pictures of Berkut riot police shooting protesters in kiev where they had crudely photoshopped out the word "berkut" from the back of their uniforms and claimed that it was fascist-neo-nazi-EU death squads gunning down passersby.   "shameless propaganda" is too kind.

Folks, the US may have a lot of problems, but other places are far worse.  Putin's Russia is one of them.
2014-03-02 10:50:30 AM  
1 votes:
So serious question, if Canada or Mexico was having the sort of instability verging on a civil war that the Ukraine is having right now, who in here thinks the US would not get involved?
2014-03-02 10:39:30 AM  
1 votes:

hobbes0022: This doesn't even feel real, major modern countries like Russia still invade their neighbors?  They didn't even call them an axis of evil.


Nobody batted an eye when France decided to invade the Maldives last year...and nobody gave to shiats that Ethiopia got tired of Somalia's crap and invaded them either.  But when Russia moves troops into a part of Ukraine that already has a huge Russian military presence like their entire Black Sea naval fleet it's all hands on deck.  Not like the US ever "invaded" a country to protect "it's interests."
2014-03-02 10:37:35 AM  
1 votes:
So let's see here.  Russia sends in unmarked commandos as "gunmen" and has them "occupy" a government building.  Then he sends in marked troops in order to "protect" the russian speaking population from the "gunmen" occupying the government building.  Suddenly lo and behold the gunmen are nowhere to be seen, the "protestors" are gone, and all is suddenly safe.

Does that about sum things up?
2014-03-02 10:32:00 AM  
1 votes:

K3rmy: bah, it was nothing more than an attempted land grab.  Putin had no muscle behind it and he knew it.  He withdrew the troops as he knew that they could not withstand  a wayward wind blowing to hit them and Hopey McChange was not a person he could show his face in the world after (appearing to be) punked down.  This is not to say that Russia has no forces worth reckoning with - they simply did not send any to play in Crimea.

Putin is not done there yet.  He is plotting. . .scheming.  The US may currently have a helmet-headed special needs child as president but those types tend to hit hard.  (The exception was Chimpy McFlightsuit who was too busy spending time at his ranch at the beginning of his first term to do anything of consequence)


Except for everything you wrote, you're exactly right.
2014-03-02 10:27:33 AM  
1 votes:

Animatronik: JonnyG: Behind all the smokescreens, this is quite simple and the US is far from clean. The US has installed a leader sympathetic to them. If that leader takes hold, it means very bad things for Russia. Russia does not want that leader because, well, it would be very bad for them (financially). This is a battle over money and nothing more. The US is just as guilty in this situation - they just choose their words more carefully so that the peoples can absorb them with less guilt.

Where do you live?


I was shocked to discover that there are a number of Russia expats who really believed that Stalin was a nice guy, a strong leader who took charge. That all the propaganda wasn't true, that he didnt murder 10s of millions in the 30s.

It's quite plausible that many Russiansfeel the same way about Putin, who is mild in comparison

The stuff you are saying here is pure garbage and Russian propaganda. It doesn't fool anybody. I'll see what else you post before flagging you.


So, I'm not the only one thinking this guy is full if shiat?
2014-03-02 10:25:43 AM  
1 votes:

JonnyG: Behind all the smokescreens, this is quite simple and the US is far from clean. The US has installed a leader sympathetic to them. If that leader takes hold, it means very bad things for Russia. Russia does not want that leader because, well, it would be very bad for them (financially). This is a battle over money and nothing more. The US is just as guilty in this situation - they just choose their words more carefully so that the peoples can absorb them with less guilt.


Where do you live?


I was shocked to discover that there are a number of Russia expats who really believed that Stalin was a nice guy, a strong leader who took charge. That all the propaganda wasn't true, that he didnt murder 10s of millions in the 30s.

It's quite plausible that many Russiansfeel the same way about Putin, who is mild in comparison

The stuff you are saying here is pure garbage and Russian propaganda. It doesn't fool anybody. I'll see what else you post before flagging you.
2014-03-02 10:23:50 AM  
1 votes:

youmightberight: lack of warmth: jamspoon: Crimea was part of Russia until the Communists gave it to Ukraine as part of 300 year celebrations in 1954. It's population is more Russian than Ukrainian and the Russians still have major military facilities there. So it's not like the Russians are invading "foreign" country like say, Iraq.

From what I am hearing, Crimea wanted to return to Russia, or at least the folks that chased their president out.  Seems like their old president is the only one still complaining.  Well, when your people chase you out of the country, consider yourself impeached, and the US and everyone else should stop paying attention to him.  I get that the US wants their puppet, but they need to realize they don't always get their puppets.

You are uninformed. When the people chased the current pres out it was because they wanted closer ties to the EU that's why the former pres ran to Russia.

Don't be an idiot.


While I don't agree with lackofwarmth, in fairness: western Ukraine chased out the pro-Russian president. The eastern part of the Ukraine is more ethnically Russian and did not support that. I don't want to assume, but Crimea's population is by a small majority ethnic Russians due to vigorous resettlement during the Soviet years.
2014-03-02 10:23:30 AM  
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JonnyG: Behind all the smokescreens, this is quite simple and the US is far from clean. The US has installed a leader sympathetic to them. If that leader takes hold, it means very bad things for Russia. Russia does not want that leader because, well, it would be very bad for them (financially). This is a battle over money and nothing more. The US is just as guilty in this situation - they just choose their words more carefully so that the peoples can absorb them with less guilt.


Does the FSB pay you per posting or per hour? Any benefits package? Also, do you get paid in rubles?
2014-03-02 10:18:55 AM  
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JonnyG: Behind all the smokescreens, this is quite simple and the US is far from clean. The US has installed a leader sympathetic to them. If that leader takes hold, it means very bad things for Russia. Russia does not want that leader because, well, it would be very bad for them (financially). This is a battle over money and nothing more. The US is just as guilty in this situation - they just choose their words more carefully so that the peoples can absorb them with less guilt.


The US installed... what color is the sky in your world?
2014-03-02 10:11:45 AM  
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czetie: I'm going to go with "because the Soviet Union acted like assholes towards them for half a century, and the Russian Federation continued the policies of their predecessors".


You seem to think asshole behavior only started with the Soviet Union. If you look at a map of Europe before Napoleon, and then look at a map of Europe 15 years later, you'll find a really big country near the center is missing, mostly swallowed-up by Russia 100 years before the Communist Revolution.
2014-03-02 09:57:36 AM  
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parkerlewis: Wait a minute...Russia has INVISIBLE soldiers???  We are screwed!!!


No, no, you just lure them into water to short-circuit their cloaking.  And smear some mud on you to defeat their infrared.  Easy-peasy.
2014-03-02 09:56:10 AM  
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organizmx: Question for those who know more than me: why not just let Crimea "rejoin" Russia? Wouldn't that be better than all out war between Ukraine and Russia?


From my limited understanding, the people wanting to "rejoin" are like when Saddam invaded Kuwait to "liberate" them and the people proclaiming they wanted to rejoin are just puppets. Same kinda thing here. The only people who want to rejoin Russia are just talking puppets for Russia, and the Ukrainians who don't want to aren't being allowed to speak.
2014-03-02 09:48:27 AM  
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Mr. Shabooboo: I would call this a Volga display of power by Putin..


 It would be no different than the U.S. taking advantage of a political crisis to take over Costa Rica, simply because there are a lot of Anglo people living there.


It would be more like the US taking over Ontario from Canada
2014-03-02 09:45:55 AM  
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utah dude: Rhino_man: utah dude: don't worry, Russia's not a threat according to BlackJesus. HeavenForbid RichMormon had something to say about this months ago,

MR. ROMNEY: Excuse me. It's a geopolitical foe. And I said in the same - in the same paragraph, I said, and Iran is the greatest national security threat we face. Russia does continue to battle us in the U.N. time and time again. I have clear eyes on this. I'm not going to wear rose-colored glasses when it comes to Russia or Mr. Putin, and I'm certainly not going to say to him, I'll give you more flexibility after the election. After the election he'll get more backbone.

... and after that comment, Putin stepped up his sabre-rattling because he suddenly realized that 47% of voting Americans agreed with a guy who wanted to wave his dick at Russia on TV.

Thanks for making a foe where there wasn't one before, Romney. Good farkin' job.

of course BlackJesus is the only begotten sent free of sin to save us all. of course. drop me a phat bassline for some dance competition, brother.


Yay, you really suck at trolling!
2014-03-02 09:41:38 AM  
1 votes:
We need to throw Russia out of the G8 immediately and invite Brazil to take it's place.
2014-03-02 09:41:17 AM  
1 votes:
Rhino_man:
Thanks for making a foe where there wasn't one before, Romney. Good farkin' job.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  That was funny.  Yes, Putin, the former KGB op and mob boss, was a Russian Pope Francis and general good buddy to the Free World before Mitt Romney hurt his feelings.

Go back to Theodore Roosevelt and the end of the Russian-Japanese war.  Russians have not particularly had warm feelings about America or its intentions towards them for at least 110 years now. Probably didn't help when we invaded in 1919, considering Americans are still carrying paper on the English for burning down the White House in 1812.
2014-03-02 09:30:24 AM  
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Parthenogenetic: Mr. Coffee Nerves: At a family function last night my aunt suggested the best way to fix all this would be for us to threaten to nuke everyone involved unless Putin and "the Ukraine president" agreed to a summit at a neutral site -- Wasilla, Alaska -- under the watchful diplomatic wink of America's finest expert on international politics, you betcha.

Yep, it's not even 7:30AM EST and you've already heard the stupidest thing you'll hear all day long.

Are you aware of the "Sarah Palin predicted this six years ago and you libtards mocked her for it!" talking point currently circulating?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/02/28/palin-on-ukraine-i-t ol d-you-so/


Yeah, naming a country at random in a bit of political hyperbole doesn't make her Nostradamus or Jack Ryan. It's like saying someone's cursed for walking under a ladder and them saying "aha!" when they lose their job three years on.

Applying Spalin quotes are the equivalent of cowflop bingo with a diuretic Bessie. So much shiat is getting spewed, eventually something is gonna land in a winning square. But that's not a sign of intelligence on the part of either, and I'm certainly not bronzing it for the mantelpiece.
2014-03-02 09:26:26 AM  
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jakomo002: Animatronik: jakomo002: Animatronik: Ukraine does not have to be part of either the EU or Russia. But if you are faced with the choice of either austerity or defaulting on debt, it's not a matter of what the EU will do for you, it's a matter of how to continue to function without runaway inflation and no money to pay for infrastructure.

Well said, but that's nowhere near to how the media (specifically U.S.) is treating it.  And the EU makes MONEY on Ukraine's IMF-imposed austerity.  Ukraine becomes a cheap market for foreign companies to flood.

And Russia has seen too many of her former satellites go over to the West (or even NATO), despite assurances after the USSR dissolved by the West that they would never.

Russia's former satellites are FORMER satellites. It's not clear that Russian speaking Ukrainians want to be part of Russia or simply to maintain close ties. If Russia gets into a military conflict in Ukraine, everyone will assume correctly that it's a land grab.

If Russia actually believed that there was never a chance that some of it's allies would seek a NATO or EU alliance, that's just foolishness .

Except their former satellites were actively and aggressively recruited into NATO by the West.
I mean, how is it that  ALL these countries suddenly get membership into NATO between 1999 and 2004?  The NORTH ATLANTIC Treaty Organization.

Czech Republic  Warsaw Pact 1955-1991
 Hungary Member of the rival Warsaw Pact 1955-1991.
 Poland Member of the rival Warsaw Pact 1955-1990.
 Bulgaria Member of the rival Warsaw Pact 1955-1991.
 Estonia Member of the rival Warsaw Pact 1955-1991
 Latvia Member of the rival Warsaw Pact 1955-1991
 Lithuania Member of the rival Warsaw Pact 1955-1991
 Romania Member of the rival Warsaw Pact 1955-1991.
 Slovakia Member of the rival Warsaw Pact 1955-1991 as part of Czechoslovakia.
 Slovenia Previously part of Yugoslavia 1945-1991 (Non-aligned)


Nobody believes that the Warsaw Pact was a real pact, any more than they believe that DPRK is a real republic, or that the Duma in Russia actually votes their own minds instead of Putin's.

I'm not sure why you think any country would choose being a part of Russia without a gun to their collective head, since it has been taken over by bullies and autocrats led by Putin.

And if Putin waves a gun at them they will run to Europe. If Putin invades Ukraine proper it will give western powers the excuse they need to move soldiers into former satellite states at their request, which in turn will lead Russia to increase military spending, and this will be like the Cold War.
2014-03-02 09:22:11 AM  
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lack of warmth: jamspoon: Crimea was part of Russia until the Communists gave it to Ukraine as part of 300 year celebrations in 1954. It's population is more Russian than Ukrainian and the Russians still have major military facilities there. So it's not like the Russians are invading "foreign" country like say, Iraq.

From what I am hearing, Crimea wanted to return to Russia, or at least the folks that chased their president out.  Seems like their old president is the only one still complaining.  Well, when your people chase you out of the country, consider yourself impeached, and the US and everyone else should stop paying attention to him.  I get that the US wants their puppet, but they need to realize they don't always get their puppets.


You are uninformed. When the people chased the current pres out it was because they wanted closer ties to the EU that's why the former pres ran to Russia.

Don't be an idiot.
2014-03-02 09:20:27 AM  
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lack of warmth: jamspoon: Crimea was part of Russia until the Communists gave it to Ukraine as part of 300 year celebrations in 1954. It's population is more Russian than Ukrainian and the Russians still have major military facilities there. So it's not like the Russians are invading "foreign" country like say, Iraq.

From what I am hearing, Crimea wanted to return to Russia, or at least the folks that chased their president out.  Seems like their old president is the only one still complaining.  Well, when your people chase you out of the country, consider yourself impeached, and the US and everyone else should stop paying attention to him.  I get that the US wants their puppet, but they need to realize they don't always get their puppets.


Was reading up about the former PM just released from prison. The article implied she was the victim of "selective" justice. So guilty, but others got away with it. Those in power prosecute their predecessors for corruption then do the same themselves while the economy goes to the dogs.
2014-03-02 09:10:04 AM  
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jakomo002: czetie: However, only one country involved here has tanks and troops openly operating in another country's sovereign territory; and I'm still fascinated to hear how you intend to justify military force as the appropriate way to resolve a political and economic dispute?

Justify military force?  I wasn't aware the Russian troops had attacked or even wounded anyone.  It's a show of force, hardly the application of it.  And the Crimea PM (PM of the AUTONOMOUS REGION OF CRIMEA) did in fact invite the Russians in, no??

The irony here is that it's precisely Russia's bullying, racist, nationalist, militaristic, censorious descent into near-dictatorship that is pushing the countries of central Europe into the arms of Europe. (And incidentally, several of them have centuries of ties with Europe long before they spent 50 years in the freezer of the Cold War.)

Completely agree.  And the EU/IMF clusterfarks in Spain, Greece, Latvia, etc, make Ukraine very wary to trust either the EU, or anyone who supports IMF policies.  Lot of distrust on both sides, and justifiably


A home invasion is still a "home invasion" even if I don't cut yer nuts off.

Iz yu trollin'?
2014-03-02 09:05:31 AM  
1 votes:
This is just as much a power grab by the west as it is a retention of power by Russia. The legit govt chose Russia to deal with and the west didn't like it so they fuel an "uprising" and pull off a coup.
2014-03-02 08:37:40 AM  
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utah dude: don't worry, Russia's not a threat according to BlackJesus. HeavenForbid RichMormon had something to say about this months ago,

MR. ROMNEY: Excuse me. It's a geopolitical foe. And I said in the same - in the same paragraph, I said, and Iran is the greatest national security threat we face. Russia does continue to battle us in the U.N. time and time again. I have clear eyes on this. I'm not going to wear rose-colored glasses when it comes to Russia or Mr. Putin, and I'm certainly not going to say to him, I'll give you more flexibility after the election. After the election he'll get more backbone.


... and after that comment, Putin stepped up his sabre-rattling because he suddenly realized that 47% of voting Americans agreed with a guy who wanted to wave his dick at Russia on TV.

Thanks for making a foe where there wasn't one before, Romney. Good farkin' job.
2014-03-02 08:25:59 AM  
1 votes:

czetie: But let me turn the question around: why do YOU think all those countries rejected the Warsaw Pact and joined NATO the moment they had a free choice?


Because the Warsaw Pact disbanded  25 February 1991, and joining NATO meant if Russia ever tried to roll back in, they were a member and would get protection.  Sort of like paying the Mob for protection.

Because all these former satellites were poor, had very bad militaries and were terrified of Russian plans, so they became junior members of NATO.  Not exactly free choice.

Note that none joined immediately, some as late as 2004
2014-03-02 08:24:08 AM  
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soupafi: I think we would stay out of this one. As long as Ukraine isn't part of NATO.


I think EU shouldn't stay out of it. I think it would be perfectly okay for EU to put their troops in the Western part of the Ukraine, say, as a part of joint peacekeeping mission. Judging by my discussions with Ukrainians, nobody would object to that, not Western Ukraine, not Eastern Ukraine, not Crimea, not even Putin, if EU troops would be properly invited. Everyone would breath more easily.

Also, EU should help Ukraine with money. If you really want to help, write a check. A big one. Ukraine is close to bankruptcy; they desperately need money. EU will show, this way, that you can rely on them in a bad situation, and their statements of support are more than empty words.

Because, you know, so far, the general opinion of the countries in that region is that it's actually mostly empty words. At least if Russia promises support, right or wrong, support it provides.
2014-03-02 07:53:53 AM  
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jakomo002: BS. The EU and North America are completely entwined in this whole mess.


"Both sides are bad so invade another country?"

Countries have always applied economic and political pressure to each other to promote their own selfish interests -- not least Russia, which uses the carrot/stick of gas prices.

However, only one country involved here has tanks and troops openly operating in another country's sovereign territory; and I'm still fascinated to hear how you intend to justify military force as the appropriate way to resolve a political and economic dispute?

"War is the continuation of Politik by other means" said Clausewitz, and that's not exactly a recommendation.
2014-03-02 07:51:56 AM  
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jakomo002: Animatronik: Ukraine does not have to be part of either the EU or Russia. But if you are faced with the choice of either austerity or defaulting on debt, it's not a matter of what the EU will do for you, it's a matter of how to continue to function without runaway inflation and no money to pay for infrastructure.

Well said, but that's nowhere near to how the media (specifically U.S.) is treating it.  And the EU makes MONEY on Ukraine's IMF-imposed austerity.  Ukraine becomes a cheap market for foreign companies to flood.

And Russia has seen too many of her former satellites go over to the West (or even NATO), despite assurances after the USSR dissolved by the West that they would never.


Russia's former satellites are FORMER satellites. It's not clear that Russian speaking Ukrainians want to be part of Russia or simply to maintain close ties. If Russia gets into a military conflict in Ukraine, everyone will assume correctly that it's a land grab.

If Russia actually believed that there was never a chance that some of it's allies would seek a NATO or EU alliance, that's just foolishness .
2014-03-02 07:38:13 AM  
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czetie: jakomo002: What people tend to forget is that a lot of Ukrainians want nothing to do with the EU.

Their fear is that once the EU calls in the IMF and World Bank, they'll shove "austerity" down people's throats and they'll be thoroughly farked. Or Latvia-ed.

What other people tend to forget is that the way to resolve a question like that is for the people of the Ukraine to use the democratic process at their disposal, not for a neigboring superpower to farking invade and impose its will.


BS.  The EU and North America are completely entwined in this whole mess.  Again, from the Nuland "Fark the EU" taped conversation, she clearly is meddling heavily.  Favoring the pro-EU Yatsenyuk heavily.

And she's following orders.  A loss for Russia means a win for the US, and neither gives a shiat about any Ukrainians.
2014-03-02 07:37:36 AM  
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jakomo002: Fail in Human Form: The Ukrainian prime minister, Arseny Yatsenyuk, said Russia has declared war on Ukraine and that it is not just a threat from Moscow.He warned: "We are on the brink of disaster".

Yatsenyuk is hardly an honest broker here.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2014/02/27/washingtons-man-yat se nyuk-setting-ukraine-up-for-ruin/

"Recall the phone exchange between the Ukraine ambassador and Victoria Nuland (Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs) that got leaked out, where she basically said 'we want Yats in there.' They like him because he's pro Western," says Vladimir Signorelli, president of boutique investment research firm Bretton Woods Research LLC in New Jersey. "Yatsenyuk is the the kind of technocrat you want if you want austerity, with the veneer of professionalism," Signorelli said. "He's the type of guy who can hobnob with the European elite. A Mario Monti type: unelected and willing to do the IMFs bidding," he said.

...

Also today, Yatsenyuk promised to implement "very unpopular measures" to stabilize the country's finances. The government said it needs $35 billion to support the country over the next two years. His language in a news report broadcast by Bloomberg today indicates he is heading toward a potentially destabilizing austerity campaign:

"The treasury is empty. We will do everything not to default. If we get the financial support from the IMF, the U.S., we will do it. I'm going to be the most unpopular prime minister in the history of my country," he said. "But this is the only solution. I would never promise any kind of huge achievements. First and the most important issue is to stabilize the situation."

Yatsenyuk is "your guy", America, and nobody trusts you.


Ukraine does not have to be part of either the EU or Russia. But if you are faced with the choice of either austerity or defaulting on debt, it's not a matter of what the EU will do for you, it's a matter of how to continue to function without runaway inflation and no money to pay for infrastructure.
2014-03-02 07:31:26 AM  
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czetie: K3rmy: bah, it was nothing more than an attempted land grab.  Putin had no muscle behind it and he knew it.  He withdrew the troops as he knew that they could not withstand  a wayward wind blowing to hit them and Hopey McChange was not a person he could show his face in the world after (appearing to be) punked down.  This is not to say that Russia has no forces worth reckoning with - they simply did not send any to play in Crimea.

Putin is not done there yet.  He is plotting. . .scheming.  The US may currently have a helmet-headed special needs child as president but those types tend to hit hard.  (The exception was Chimpy McFlightsuit who was too busy spending time at his ranch at the beginning of his first term to do anything of consequence)

Well, that was equally idiotic no matter what direction you view it from. Spherically stupid, so to speak.


lmao
2014-03-02 07:29:23 AM  
1 votes:
At a family function last night my aunt suggested the best way to fix all this would be for us to threaten to nuke everyone involved unless Putin and "the Ukraine president" agreed to a summit at a neutral site -- Wasilla, Alaska -- under the watchful diplomatic wink of America's finest expert on international politics, you betcha.

Yep, it's not even 7:30AM EST and you've already heard the stupidest thing you'll hear all day long.
2014-03-02 07:27:20 AM  
1 votes:
I had assumed the gripes about MSNBC's journalism were the usual right-winger whining, but after reading that article I doubt I'll ever bother to click on a MSNBC link again.
2014-03-02 07:26:30 AM  
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Rhino_man: czetie: hobbes0022: This doesn't even feel real, major modern countries like Russia still invade their neighbors?  They didn't even call them an axis of evil.

If Putin insists that sending troops into another country is "legitimately protecting Russia's interests" just because some of them are ethnically Russian, then I have a horrible feeling that we're all about to learn the Russian words for "Lebensraum" and "Volksdeutsche".

Also noteworthy that Putin doesn't feel at all the same way about ethnic non-Russians who want to break away from Russia...

Farking THIS.  The whole thing has just been echoes of "DANZIG IST DEUTSCHE" to me.


I was thinking more of the Sudetenland, but yeah, Danzig works too.
2014-03-02 07:23:09 AM  
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bah, it was nothing more than an attempted land grab.  Putin had no muscle behind it and he knew it.  He withdrew the troops as he knew that they could not withstand  a wayward wind blowing to hit them and Hopey McChange was not a person he could show his face in the world after (appearing to be) punked down.  This is not to say that Russia has no forces worth reckoning with - they simply did not send any to play in Crimea.

Putin is not done there yet.  He is plotting. . .scheming.  The US may currently have a helmet-headed special needs child as president but those types tend to hit hard.  (The exception was Chimpy McFlightsuit who was too busy spending time at his ranch at the beginning of his first term to do anything of consequence)
2014-03-02 07:21:19 AM  
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hobbes0022: This doesn't even feel real, major modern countries like Russia still invade their neighbors?  They didn't even call them an axis of evil.


If Putin insists that sending troops into another country is "legitimately protecting Russia's interests" just because some of them are ethnically Russian, then I have a horrible feeling that we're all about to learn the Russian words for "Lebensraum" and "Volksdeutsche".

Also noteworthy that Putin doesn't feel at all the same way about ethnic non-Russians who want to break away from Russia...
2014-03-02 07:18:49 AM  
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What people tend to forget is that a lot of Ukrainians want nothing to do with the EU.

Their fear is that once the EU calls in the IMF and World Bank, they'll shove "austerity" down people's throats and they'll be thoroughly farked. Or Latvia-ed.
2014-03-02 07:12:43 AM  
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SuperSeriousMan: AngryDragon: FTA: "Hundreds Of Russian Troops Seen On Road To Simferopol ...Twelve military trucks carrying troops, a Tiger vehicle armed with a machine gun and two ambulances were seen by Associated Press journalists on the road heading from Sevastopol - the Crimean port where Russia has its naval base - to Simferopol "

That's an odd definition of both "disappeared" and "normal", but ok.

Read the paragraph after that: "However, there were no signs of any troops in Simferopol, or any crowds in the squares where masked gunmen were seen on Saturday."

Seems like subby read the whole article, unlike some other people in this thread...


How does anything that <b>AngryDragon</b> just referred to sound anything like "returns to normal" to you?
2014-03-02 07:07:01 AM  
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generallyso: hobbes0022: This doesn't even feel real, major modern countries like Russia still invade their neighbors?  They didn't even call them an axis of evil.

Maybe the Russian public isn't stupid enough to swallow such ham-fisted propaganda.


oi61.tinypic.com
2014-03-02 06:54:55 AM  
1 votes:

SirEattonHogg: Waxing the tadpole?  Is that a real expression?


Yes, it's also an L7 song.
2014-03-02 06:51:47 AM  
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This doesn't even feel real, major modern countries like Russia still invade their neighbors?  They didn't even call them an axis of evil.
2014-03-02 06:49:22 AM  
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SirEattonHogg: Waxing the tadpole?  Is that a real expression?


蝌蝌齦蠟?
2014-03-02 06:45:37 AM  
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"What this? It's not a massive trench network we're building along the Ukrainian coast for a protracted war! It's some impromptu guerilla gardening! Move along! Nothing to see here! IT'S FOR FLOWERS!"
2014-03-02 06:43:24 AM  
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Waxing the tadpole?  Is that a real expression?
 
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