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(BBC)   Britain begins random drug testing of pub customers, but oddly skip testing for the most likely drug -- alcohol   ( divider line
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2004-02-01 11:05:15 AM  
Holy fark. I always thought Britain was scary, but I attributed that to my ethnocentrism. But this pretty well proves it.
2004-02-01 11:10:36 AM  
If the pusher isn't getting his cut of the drug profits, he has to protect his turf. Smart business for the pub owner but scary none the less.
2004-02-01 11:10:40 AM  
Pc Tim Moody, of Kent Police, said: "Our general feedback that we get from members of the public is that they think it is a fantastic idea."

And people call Americans sheep?
2004-02-01 11:47:02 AM  
They couldn't do this in my local. All the crackheads would stop coming in. And then where will we get our nearly-free "second hand" VCR's from?

Seriously though, I live in a high drug use area (see bio) and while the civil libertarian in me says 'hold on there, civil rights issues here' the homeowner in me says 'mmm, maybe not such a bad idea, this.'

I'm conflicted! Someone make with the moral certainly, and quickly!
2004-02-01 11:48:15 AM  
"moral certainty", says the spelling-nazi in me.
2004-02-01 01:54:10 PM  
Some poor pickled customer will be busted for handeling a banknote with traces of cocane on it.
2004-02-01 02:41:04 PM  
Note to self:

buy rubber gloves.

/smoke 'em if ya got 'em
2004-02-01 02:41:13 PM  
wtf? there's no way in hell that'd stand in the US. god bless america.
2004-02-01 02:44:55 PM  
Why would they test for alcohol. It is asinine that they would test for anything in the first place, but there isn't even a motivation to test for alcohol since it is LEGAL!
2004-02-01 02:44:58 PM  
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What if you were in that pub, received change that a drug handler had given to the owner, or brushed your hand up against something that had drug residue on it. I'm sure it could be sorted out with a blood test, but that is just nuts.
2004-02-01 02:47:05 PM  
Everyone "volunteered." You're in a pub, and everyone but you takes the drug test. You refuse to take it on privacy grounds, and everyone thinks you're a crackhead.
2004-02-01 02:47:21 PM  

I'm a homeowner and the other also, and I say to each his own. I'd rather see it stay at home like mine, but as long as you cause nobody harm and don't gratuitously do it in public, why does it have to drive house values down? In my hood here in the us, we have idiots who are quite loud at 3AM when drunk, but the druggies are quiet and almost passed out...who is driving down housing values then?

The tests discussed here go far beyond the reasonable measures I have mentioned and are downright big-brother intrusions, and in america they would be statistically invalid. Our money allegedly touches hard drugs a lot and gets passed around frequently.
2004-02-01 02:50:03 PM  
That's cuz alcohol is different. Just ask any "anti-drug" moron. Drugs are perceived as bad because they are illegal. This is a dangerous,foolhardy philosophy.
2004-02-01 02:50:21 PM  
Farkers: "That is a grievous violation of my human rights! Goddamn John Ashcroft and his jackbooted Nazi thugs! The Patriot Act is the new Nuremberg Laws! George Bush is the new Hitler and the War On Drugs is cultural genocide!!1 Oh wait... Britain? Who gives a fark?"
2004-02-01 02:50:58 PM  
2004-20 years later than predicted.
2004-02-01 02:52:42 PM  

I wish I could agree with you, but remember that Bush just proposed millions of dollars for schools to start testing all students. That seems like merely a preliminary step towards what this article is describing. Not too mention since this is a simple hand swab, it is both simpler and less invasive than peeing in a cup, and provides instant results. I suspect this kind of crap to make it to the US rather soon. Likely in the form of some double test that checks for both drugs and explosives/checmical residues...thus more sellable under the war on terror umbrella.

Remember that with the US Patriot Act, we have already begun the rapid dissolvement of our civil liberties.

The new motto: guilty until proven innocent.
2004-02-01 02:57:26 PM  
The headline is fairly misleading.

The test was organized by the pub owner, not the police. Everyone who was tested agreed to be. It wasn't a urine test, it was simply a swab of the hands to see if the person had handled anything.
2004-02-01 02:58:38 PM  
My only hope is that in 100 years humankind will have evolved enough to look back on this absurdity and realize how ridiculous it is. Testing for drugs in a pub. Hmmm... what about that drug everyone in the place is doing - alcohol. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
2004-02-01 03:00:53 PM  
Farking pigs. This stinks. How long before they start going door to door for drug testing?

Conduct random sweeps of the neighbourhood and make it illegal for anyone to refuse the test.

I'm sure the public will think that a "fantastic idea" since they don't want to live next door to some middle aged hippy pothead.

Book burnings to ensue.
2004-02-01 03:02:35 PM  
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2004-02-01 03:05:38 PM  
It's time for someone to publish a book,"More drugs, Less Drunks"
2004-02-01 03:11:39 PM  
If they tried this in any pub in the north west of England they'd be laughed out of the place. Only tested if they agreed?, what a joke.
2004-02-01 03:15:17 PM  
Wait, I can buy (and most likely light up) a spliff in Brixton, but if I hop on over to a pub in Kent later, I'm hosed??? WTF?

/fark inconsistency
2004-02-01 03:15:29 PM  
Screw that pub owner. I'd take my drinking elsewhere.
2004-02-01 03:16:26 PM  
Ok, I'm confused...
How is a private establishment checking for illegal activities on his property a violation of privacy right? If you're dealing crack...don't go in there, it's not like they're jumping you on the street to check. Seems like a good idea to me.

...but then again my drugged up neighbors bug the heck out of me, so I might be biased...
2004-02-01 03:19:14 PM  
I wonder what the idiot poster is calling asinine; The "random" drug testing, or because they arn't testing for the "legal" drug alcohol.

Its more like asinine for being a MISS LEADING HEADLINE ASSSHAT!
2004-02-01 03:24:27 PM  
OMG... why on earth would you want those hemp-addicts anyway. They come in the Pub laughing and wanting to eat all the steak and kidney pie. I saw one put mango chutney on chips once... these people must be stopped!!

I was reading from a drug pamphlet I got from the University's health office to my roomate once. "Marijuana reduces both arousal and aggression". To which my roomate replied "Yeah, 'cause you can't farking lift your arms."

/... never seen a stoned person in a bar-fight... unless it was started by a drunk.
2004-02-01 03:35:04 PM  
kotton wins the award for most ironic post of the thread. Way to go bug-brain.
2004-02-01 03:45:19 PM  
well alchohol is legal so that means its morally right and all illegal drugs are immoral, right?
2004-02-01 03:49:13 PM  
Wow. And I thought Ashcroft was a Nazi.

Remind me never to go to Britain.
2004-02-01 03:52:43 PM  
Ironic is the U.S. being one of only four countries with a drinking age of 21, yet everyone here seeing a pointless, harmless test in one U.K. pub as evil and divisive.

farking morons, the lot of you.

I always thought Britain was scary

Oh yes indeed! Links to prosaic BBC news items paint the truest picture of us silly foreigners, and you don't need that passport to leave home and work any it out for yourself!
2004-02-01 03:54:08 PM  
I could understand what kotton meant if I hadn't drunk so many beers already ...
2004-02-01 04:10:18 PM  
{never seen a stoned person in a bar-fight... unless it was started by a drunk}
Exactly, so to every anti- pot person you run into ask them
the question. Since one drug is sometimes a substitute for the other, How much mayham and violence on any given weekend
might be prevented by the more widespread use of pot?
2004-02-01 04:15:17 PM  
Remind me never to go to Britain.

This Limey's preparing to return to the U.S. for a family wedding in Littleton, CO. With that in mind, think about what you said, and what prompted you to say it, and tell me which one of us is the small-minded moron.
2004-02-01 04:20:49 PM  

The test is not pointless and harmless, fool. It is one of many demonstrations that the differential between the ability to legislate and enforce is dwindling rapidly, and complacent rectum suckers like yourself will serve to expedite repression.
2004-02-01 04:23:50 PM  
Here she comes, Miss Leading Headline Asshat....
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2004-02-01 04:23:54 PM  
Bangkok tactics in Britain.. Who would've thought?
2004-02-01 04:40:23 PM  
LOL, you think this couldn't happen in the U.S.?

Maybe not in bars, but what about workplaces? It's already being pushed as the next wave of employee drug tests.

Your management hires a testing company, they come in at night or on a weekend, and swab keyboards, telephones, desks, armrests, etc. If your cubicle tests positive, then congratulations, you've just won a piss test.

Cuts down on their costs because they only have to use expensive piss/blood tests on those who test positive.
2004-02-01 04:46:45 PM  
Wonder if America will lose its freedom and be like this....oh, wait.
2004-02-01 04:58:01 PM  
RTFA, people. It was the pub owner who organised the tests, not the government and/or police.
2004-02-01 05:31:57 PM  
what chya talk'n about? alcohol is not a drug! It my friend....
2004-02-01 05:45:12 PM  
"particular element that may use drugs"

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Oh, they want to keep Bush out. Already he can't go to Canada (Cheney too) because of DUI convictions.
2004-02-01 05:46:21 PM  
Wallhammer - that was a good bit of humour on your part. As if the mighty US would ever intrude upon the rights of it's citizens! Heh!

Please tell me you weren't being serious.
2004-02-01 06:02:59 PM  
Yay! Americans, don't come to Britain. Don't know if you saw the Article previously about smoking pot all around London to gauge responses, but the UK is fairly relaxed in terms of drug laws. I've never been tested for anything when I started a new job (Something I hear they do all the time in the US), so don't get all high and mighty about how much more free you are. The article says it's somewhere in Kent, I bet it's that shiathole, Tunbridge Wells.
2004-02-01 07:02:44 PM  
This is bizarre. First I've heard of it. It's indefencibly obnoxious, and there will be an outcry if there is any attempt to make this compulsory. It's useful in that it shows people the kind of stuff the police the love to be doing if only they could manufacture sufficient consent. Individual pubs may opt in, but they'll lose out in their own way.
2004-02-01 07:04:02 PM  
and in English: "... that it shows people the kind of stuff the police would love to be doing ..."

/Grammar Masochist.
2004-02-01 07:42:35 PM  
It appears that we have a Bill of Rights and Britain has a Bill of Rape.
2004-02-01 07:57:21 PM  
I love marijuana, and I love America. I sure do hope the two can learn to live together some time. They lived in harmony for so many millions of years, I hope they can work out their differences and co-exist once again.

/passes on a fattie
2004-02-01 08:05:14 PM  
They won't test for alcohol because, like tobacco, it's a good drug. Coincidentally, a taxed drug. Gee, how does this work?
(Paraphrasing someone. Who can name that someone?)
2004-02-01 08:32:04 PM  
Oh my god no, swabbing peoples hands now?! That's it, I'm out of this over-zealous Nazi society, I'll move to America, land of the free, where I can get taught creationism and abstinence only sex education in school, and can't legally push a supermarket trolley to my parents car if it has alcohol in it.
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