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2014-03-02 02:56:01 AM  

RanDomino: the_cnidarian: RanDomino: the_cnidarian: Crimea river
Charge of the Light Brigade
We'll be lucky if we get out alive
Land war in Asia

Ukraine is joke game to you

The Ukraine is weak!

FTFM

Is that all of them? Can we just post this list at the top of every farking Ukraine thread and be done with it?


Heh, that would be nice. Maybe the recurring headline?
 
2014-03-02 02:56:10 AM  

LordJiro: ladyfortuna: LordJiro: Yeah, real smart there, Ukraine. Instead of giving up Crimea (Mostly Russian anyway, and home to the Russian Black Sea fleet so there was no way in Hell they were going to jeopardize that), you're gonna wave your dick at Putin.

God, I hope the rest of the world isn't dumb enough to get involved.

And yet if they don't, Russia gets the green light to do whatever the fark they want.

Like secure their major military bases during massive, violent riots? Because that's all that was happening until now.


Um, no. I'm pretty sure Pootie has been planning to bring Ukraine back under his wing for a long time. He just needed a stooge like Yanukovych to deliver it. Things didn't go exactly according to plan, though.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2014/feb/18/brief-primer- vl adimir-putin-eurasian-union-trade
 
2014-03-02 02:56:59 AM  

super_grass: I bet this will erupt into civil war:

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x593]


2010 election results.

img.fark.net

With props to 100 Watt Walrus for posting this in another thread.

So divide the country with a wall. Maybe draw some kind of metallic drape.
 
2014-03-02 02:57:35 AM  

juvandy: ladyfortuna: And yet if they don't, Russia gets the green light to do whatever the fark they want.

To some extent, we don't have the right to tell them they can't.  Even in the best circumstances our military isn't in any place to do anything about it (short of nukes), unless there is also a commitment from Germany and Poland at a minimum.  We've overextended our commitments, and at some point it's gonna bite us.


You'll note the words 'United States' never appeared in my post. I was speaking hypothetically... if 'the world' lets Russia steam roll through with no protest or a mere 'on paper' condemnation... what message does that send? Putin has already shown his teeth on the international stage.
 
2014-03-02 02:57:44 AM  

LordJiro: Yeah, real smart there, Ukraine. Instead of giving up Crimea (Mostly Russian anyway, and home to the Russian Black Sea fleet so there was no way in Hell they were going to jeopardize that), you're gonna wave your dick at Putin.

God, I hope the rest of the world isn't dumb enough to get involved.


You are assuming if Ukraine does nothing that Russia is content to only occupy Crimea.  There are many eastern provinces in Ukraine with Russian populations, economic ties to Russia, and that could be incorporated into the Russian sphere of influence. Ukraine sitting back and doing nothing could result in Ukraine losing much of it's territory with no recourse.

Mobilization and deployment of soldiers does not mean a shooting war. It is preparations for one and gives Ukraine options and some tools to use in order to stem the loss of territory. It does increase the likelihood of war, but it may also blunt further Russian territorial aspirations if there is a risk of real opposition.  It also could lead to a miscalculation by either side resulting in a situation that wasn't intended and cannot be controlled.

It is a dangerous development, but not one that is unexpected.  After all, if someone invaded the US and took Florida, we would first thank them, but also the US would take steps to protect the rest of the states so as not to lose them rather than simply relying on the words of the party who just seized territory.
 
2014-03-02 02:58:12 AM  

NEDM: TheWhoppah: Dear Kiev,

Sevastopol is Russian.  It should be part of Russia.

[demotivators.despair.com image 617x435]

Danzig is German.  It should be a part of Germany.


www.metalsucks.net
 
2014-03-02 02:58:45 AM  

TheWhoppah: Dear Kiev,

Sevastopol is Russian.  It should be part of Russia.

[demotivators.despair.com image 617x435]


Alsace-Lorraine is German. It should be part of Russia.
 
2014-03-02 02:59:03 AM  

Twist2005: humanshrapnel:

Idiot. Rand Paul's the one who said that.

Also, we might just possibly be farked. farkety fark farked if we uphold the whole treaty business and actually do something about those consequences.


I remember that last time everyone upheld all their treaties involving eastern Europe. Was all "Mustard gas! Zeppelins!"
 
2014-03-02 03:00:39 AM  

bigpeeler: I miss the days when our President had balls.


Wait until Hillary is elected, then once again you'll have a president with balls.
 
2014-03-02 03:00:54 AM  
joonyer:

3.5/10

Is that everyones kneejerk reaction to anything said against their milquetoast god, Obama? Let's see how he reacts to the forthcoming world events, then get back to me. It's time for him to pull up his big-boy pants and get to work. This situation is serious.
 
2014-03-02 03:01:16 AM  
Well, Russia either found a way to split the country, or just found a way to unite it.  As for Crimea, it has an ethnic Russian majority but lots of Tatars and Ukrainians nonetheless. This will end badly no matter how it ends - either you have an exodus of Tatars and Ukrainians or and exodus of Russians.

I wonder what NATO plans on doing. This could turn into a stare-down followed by a new treaty with Ukraine retaining Crimea, or Russia could take Crimea with NATO sending a strongly worded letter but doing nothing, or any number of worse outcomes.
 
2014-03-02 03:01:35 AM  
Those tytushki stooges in eastern  Ukraine are gonna be pissed when they discover Putin only wants the Crimea and not the rest of basket-case Ukraine.
 
2014-03-02 03:02:15 AM  

Testiclaw: So, how close are we, on a scale of 1-10, to a shooting match?

And by we I of course mean Ukraine and Russia.


9.
 
2014-03-02 03:02:56 AM  

ladyfortuna: You'll note the words 'United States' never appeared in my post. I was speaking hypothetically... if 'the world' lets Russia steam roll through with no protest or a mere 'on paper' condemnation... what message does that send? Putin has already shown his teeth on the international stage.


There's been plenty of protest and condemnation.  Short of military action I'm sure there will be economic restrictions as well.
 
2014-03-02 03:03:28 AM  

Wolf892: So, in laymen speak, how close are we to WW III?


Well, historically the US is not too hot on helping oppressed people or fighting Russians and has no significant geographical or economic stake. But, also historically, the US is not too good at minding its own business. Could go either way for everyone, though in Europe the reasons would be more thoroughly thought out.
 
2014-03-02 03:03:50 AM  

Wolf892: So, in laymen speak, how close are we to WW III?


This farking close
 
2014-03-02 03:06:58 AM  

bigpeeler: Is that everyones kneejerk reaction to anything said against their milquetoast god, Obama? Let's see how he reacts to the forthcoming world events, then get back to me. It's time for him to pull up his big-boy pants and get to work. This situation is serious.


Testiclaw: What would you have Obama do, in this case, specifically?


0.tqn.com
 
2014-03-02 03:08:00 AM  

NEDM: TheWhoppah: Dear Kiev,

Sevastopol is Russian.  It should be part of Russia.

[demotivators.despair.com image 617x435]

Danzig is German.  It should be a part of Germany.


misfitsrecords.com
 
2014-03-02 03:08:28 AM  
Seriously? A thread about war in the Crimea and nobody's upping the Irons?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTaD9cd8hvw
 
2014-03-02 03:08:46 AM  

Rhino_man: Testiclaw: So, how close are we, on a scale of 1-10, to a shooting match?

And by we I of course mean Ukraine and Russia.

9.


Well...shiat.
 
2014-03-02 03:10:31 AM  

Testiclaw: bigpeeler: Is that everyones kneejerk reaction to anything said against their milquetoast god, Obama? Let's see how he reacts to the forthcoming world events, then get back to me. It's time for him to pull up his big-boy pants and get to work. This situation is serious.

Testiclaw: What would you have Obama do, in this case, specifically?

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His posts have made it obvious that what he wants is for Obama to have big balls and to pull up his pants so high that his balls will be visible. Then with his huge cameltoe on display, Ukraine and Russia will have no choice but to get along. This is pretty basic stuff.
 
2014-03-02 03:10:38 AM  

bigpeeler: joonyer:

3.5/10

Is that everyones kneejerk reaction to anything said against their milquetoast god, Obama? Let's see how he reacts to the forthcoming world events, then get back to me. It's time for him to pull up his big-boy pants and get to work. This situation is serious.


So, what would a president with balls do?

We're all waiting to hear.
 
2014-03-02 03:11:31 AM  

you are a puppet: Testiclaw: bigpeeler: Is that everyones kneejerk reaction to anything said against their milquetoast god, Obama? Let's see how he reacts to the forthcoming world events, then get back to me. It's time for him to pull up his big-boy pants and get to work. This situation is serious.

Testiclaw: What would you have Obama do, in this case, specifically?

[0.tqn.com image 270x301]

His posts have made it obvious that what he wants is for Obama to have big balls and to pull up his pants so high that his balls will be visible. Then with his huge cameltoe on display, Ukraine and Russia will have no choice but to get along. This is pretty basic stuff.


Farkied as "ball puppet"
 
2014-03-02 03:11:32 AM  

bigpeeler: joonyer:

3.5/10

Is that everyones kneejerk reaction to anything said against their milquetoast god, Obama? Let's see how he reacts to the forthcoming world events, then get back to me. It's time for him to pull up his big-boy pants and get to work. This situation is serious.


You think POTUS is a god. Nobody else does. He is part of a nonprofit corporation ruled by us. That includes you. Grab your bootstraps and quit blaming the president for imaginary future infractions.
 
2014-03-02 03:11:51 AM  

bigpeeler: I miss the days when our President had balls.

[img.fark.net image 605x412]


i miss the days when you got banned from sa
 
2014-03-02 03:11:58 AM  
We should probably keep an eye on the Doomsday Clock, juuuuust in case it starts inching towards midnight again. Right now, we're still 5 minutes to midnight, but it's been that way since 2012.
 
2014-03-02 03:13:52 AM  

Lokasenna: Seriously? A thread about war in the Crimea and nobody's upping the Irons?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTaD9cd8hvw


Here's one that isn't in 240p so it doesn't sound like shiat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G5rfPISIwo

But seriously, can't they find a way to just divide up Ukraine until Russia finishes falling apart around Putin?
 
2014-03-02 03:14:04 AM  

Asa Phelps: bigpeeler: joonyer:

3.5/10

Is that everyones kneejerk reaction to anything said against their milquetoast god, Obama? Let's see how he reacts to the forthcoming world events, then get back to me. It's time for him to pull up his big-boy pants and get to work. This situation is serious.

So, what would a president with balls do?

We're all waiting to hear.


You might want to sit down for this ...
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2014-03-02 03:14:08 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: JonBuck: Oh, wait.  Pravda.

There is no truth in Pravda.


Pravda - well, Pravda - Pravda said: "жил был король когда-то при нем блоха жила  " It stinks.

/obscure?
 
2014-03-02 03:15:36 AM  
#sovietspring
 
2014-03-02 03:15:57 AM  
a person on reddit gave a very sober reading of what's going on. The link to the full thing is here but here's the break down if you don't get the whole thing:

Russia controlled Ukraine for several generations as part of the USSR. After the USSR broke up, Ukraine had several governments, but mostly pro-Russian, until the recent turmoil there, which looks like it will place a less friendly-to-Moscow government in place.  Now, during the more happy days (from Moscow's POV) they had an agreement to have Russia have a military base where they have access to the Baltic Sea. This is in a place called Crimea, a small spigot of land on the aforementioned sea. This place is highly Russian in its ethnic makeup, and had a referendum coming up to determine if they'd break free, stay with Ukraine, or join Russia. Now that the newgovernment has shown up, Russia's afraid that they're going to go press on people or interfere with the refrendum leading to them losing access to their Baltic fleet.

Russia has played its cards very carefully and done nothing illegal. As of right now they've let the Crimeans run the show, and they're just reinforcing the garrisons there.  Basically, right now, Russia wants to wait it out and see what happens, while making a show of strength. "Don't get involved down there, we have the ability to stop you"

Neither side has done anything that would lead to war, and I personally don't think real war is likely. Everyone wants to avoid that.

as the commentator on reddit points out, there's 3 good end games for Russia. One, they use influence to keep the access and Crimea stays with Ukraine. Two, they use political advantage to assure the new Ukrainian government has some Crimean (thus Russian) influence, thus assuring their access and influence. Three, the referendum goes their way, and they get the whole kitten caboodle - probably Crimea joins Russia as either a satellite or just joins the Russian federation. Any of these ways, it makes Putin look strong, and helps making the Russian people feel good about themselves after botching the Olympics.

In reality this is NOT about us, and we really should not get involved unless we are specifically requested to do so. This is 50+ years of tension built up and honestly, The best outcome for Russia - one of the three listed above - matters to us not a lick. If Russia keeps its Baltic access... great. it's another place for Russia to sink money on its floating tubs of uselessness.

Oh, and just so no Right-Wingers get all crow here - the US and the President did exactly what it should do. It warned against illegal acts and is monitoring the situation. This isn't war, and it isn't likely to be unless one side does  something incredibly boneheaded. Russia's followed the book on this one. They've been careful. No cartoonish super villainy. They're not invading some poor place to keep a port, they're just defending what they have a treatied right to.

Let's just hope it stays that way.
 
2014-03-02 03:16:32 AM  
 
2014-03-02 03:16:44 AM  

HotWingAgenda: We should probably keep an eye on the Doomsday Clock, juuuuust in case it starts inching towards midnight again. Right now, we're still 5 minutes to midnight, but it's been that way since 2012.


I would only agree that a symbolic clock is as nourishing to the intellect as a photograph of oxygen to a drowning man.
 
2014-03-02 03:20:12 AM  
The Russians are coming.

images.scribblelive.com
 
2014-03-02 03:20:14 AM  

Asa Phelps: bigpeeler: joonyer:

3.5/10

Is that everyones kneejerk reaction to anything said against their milquetoast god, Obama? Let's see how he reacts to the forthcoming world events, then get back to me. It's time for him to pull up his big-boy pants and get to work. This situation is serious.

So, what would a president with balls do?

We're all waiting to hear.


In a previous thread somebody questioned a troll about what "standing up" to Putin meant.  The answer offered was, basically, "standing up" but written in different words.  It circled like that for a while.

I'm guessing this dude is going to do the same thing, if he does anything at all.  He'll probably 1) make the same empty statements about "getting tough", or "manning up", or, 2) selectively respond to more recent posts and drop the same old "Obama needs to step it up" lines to new and unsuspecting victims.

Obama just called me, and told me his red line is two posts.  The dude gets two posts to engage in conversation until he gets the plonk.

/pulls pants up so high my balls hang out
 
2014-03-02 03:20:49 AM  

hinten: The Russians are coming.

[images.scribblelive.com image 306x306]


I suppose shooting pictures is a type of shooting?
 
2014-03-02 03:21:12 AM  

Wolf892: So, in laymen speak, how close are we to WW III?


23:59:59.9
 
2014-03-02 03:23:05 AM  

saintstryfe: a person on reddit gave a very sober reading of what's going on. The link to the full thing is here but here's the break down if you don't get the whole thing:

Russia controlled Ukraine for several generations as part of the USSR. After the USSR broke up, Ukraine had several governments, but mostly pro-Russian, until the recent turmoil there, which looks like it will place a less friendly-to-Moscow government in place.  Now, during the more happy days (from Moscow's POV) they had an agreement to have Russia have a military base where they have access to the Baltic Sea. This is in a place called Crimea, a small spigot of land on the aforementioned sea. This place is highly Russian in its ethnic makeup, and had a referendum coming up to determine if they'd break free, stay with Ukraine, or join Russia. Now that the newgovernment has shown up, Russia's afraid that they're going to go press on people or interfere with the refrendum leading to them losing access to their Baltic fleet.

Russia has played its cards very carefully and done nothing illegal. As of right now they've let the Crimeans run the show, and they're just reinforcing the garrisons there.  Basically, right now, Russia wants to wait it out and see what happens, while making a show of strength. "Don't get involved down there, we have the ability to stop you"

Neither side has done anything that would lead to war, and I personally don't think real war is likely. Everyone wants to avoid that.

as the commentator on reddit points out, there's 3 good end games for Russia. One, they use influence to keep the access and Crimea stays with Ukraine. Two, they use political advantage to assure the new Ukrainian government has some Crimean (thus Russian) influence, thus assuring their access and influence. Three, the referendum goes their way, and they get the whole kitten caboodle - probably Crimea joins Russia as either a satellite or just joins the Russian federation. Any of these ways, it makes Putin look stron ...


The main legal issue, as I understand it, is many nations signed a treaty for the removal of Ukranian nukes.  Specifically, some western nations, US included, have to guarantee Ukranian sovereignty.  Additionally, Russia is not permitted to try to influence the state in a political fashion.  Russia has violated both of these specific items in the agreement.  Technically, we're treaty-bound to start kicking Russian arse if they in fact do go full invasion.  And they very well might.

I'm a bit fuzzy on the details, because this has all gone down while I've mostly been officing, so if I'm off anywheres, feel free to correct.
 
2014-03-02 03:23:21 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Wolf892: So, in laymen speak, how close are we to WW III?

23:59:59.9


Metric or Standard?
 
2014-03-02 03:23:50 AM  

worlddan: bigpeeler: I miss the days when our President had balls.

Wait until Hillary is elected, then once again you'll have a president with balls.


She's apt to be dead before then.  shiatty health is a biatch
 
2014-03-02 03:24:27 AM  
The devil submits Pravda links.
 
2014-03-02 03:25:04 AM  

Testiclaw: Smeggy Smurf: Wolf892: So, in laymen speak, how close are we to WW III?

23:59:59.9

Metric or Standard?


First one, then the other
 
2014-03-02 03:25:49 AM  

Cpl.D: Russia has violated both of these specific items in the agreement.  Technically, we're treaty-bound to start kicking Russian arse if they in fact do go full invasion.


It must be an absolute shiatstorm to be in a position where you have to figure out which laws and treaties apply, in terms of responsibilities, find out which actions you're allowed to take in accordance to, and against, said responsibilities, and then weigh those options against practicalities, cost, destruction, and fallout, in terms of bodies, coffers and standing in the world.

I'm glad I don't have to do that.
 
2014-03-02 03:26:31 AM  

Weatherkiss: Testiclaw: Smeggy Smurf: Wolf892: So, in laymen speak, how close are we to WW III?

23:59:59.9

Metric or Standard?

First one, then the other


Instructions weren't clear: penis stuck in toaster oven.
 
2014-03-02 03:27:53 AM  
img.fark.net
"not this shiat again."
 
2014-03-02 03:28:30 AM  

Romans 7 19: demaL-demaL-yeH: JonBuck: Oh, wait.  Pravda.

There is no truth in Pravda.

Pravda - well, Pravda - Pravda said: "жил был король когда-то при нем блоха жила  " It stinks.

/obscure?


В тридевятом царстве, в тридесятом государстве ...
/Nothing on Fark is ever.
 
2014-03-02 03:29:16 AM  

Testiclaw: Asa Phelps: bigpeeler: joonyer:

3.5/10

Is that everyones kneejerk reaction to anything said against their milquetoast god, Obama? Let's see how he reacts to the forthcoming world events, then get back to me. It's time for him to pull up his big-boy pants and get to work. This situation is serious.

So, what would a president with balls do?

We're all waiting to hear.

In a previous thread somebody questioned a troll about what "standing up" to Putin meant.  The answer offered was, basically, "standing up" but written in different words.  It circled like that for a while.

I'm guessing this dude is going to do the same thing, if he does anything at all.  He'll probably 1) make the same empty statements about "getting tough", or "manning up", or, 2) selectively respond to more recent posts and drop the same old "Obama needs to step it up" lines to new and unsuspecting victims.

Obama just called me, and told me his red line is two posts.  The dude gets two posts to engage in conversation until he gets the plonk.

/pulls pants up so high my balls hang out


Oh ok, so this is like talking about sports without knowing what the hell is going on.

Did you see that disgraceful display the other night? What has happened to sportsmanship!?
 
2014-03-02 03:29:44 AM  

Cpl.D: saintstryfe: a person on reddit gave a very sober reading of what's going on. The link to the full thing is here but here's the break down if you don't get the whole thing:

Russia controlled Ukraine for several generations as part of the USSR. After the USSR broke up, Ukraine had several governments, but mostly pro-Russian, until the recent turmoil there, which looks like it will place a less friendly-to-Moscow government in place.  Now, during the more happy days (from Moscow's POV) they had an agreement to have Russia have a military base where they have access to the Baltic Sea. This is in a place called Crimea, a small spigot of land on the aforementioned sea. This place is highly Russian in its ethnic makeup, and had a referendum coming up to determine if they'd break free, stay with Ukraine, or join Russia. Now that the newgovernment has shown up, Russia's afraid that they're going to go press on people or interfere with the refrendum leading to them losing access to their Baltic fleet.

Russia has played its cards very carefully and done nothing illegal. As of right now they've let the Crimeans run the show, and they're just reinforcing the garrisons there.  Basically, right now, Russia wants to wait it out and see what happens, while making a show of strength. "Don't get involved down there, we have the ability to stop you"

Neither side has done anything that would lead to war, and I personally don't think real war is likely. Everyone wants to avoid that.

as the commentator on reddit points out, there's 3 good end games for Russia. One, they use influence to keep the access and Crimea stays with Ukraine. Two, they use political advantage to assure the new Ukrainian government has some Crimean (thus Russian) influence, thus assuring their access and influence. Three, the referendum goes their way, and they get the whole kitten caboodle - probably Crimea joins Russia as either a satellite or just joins the Russian federation. Any of these ways, it makes Put ...


Here's the wording on the treaty. Ukraine is saying that it has been violated, when the Russian troops took over the airports because Kiev is still supposed to have control of the police and military in Crimea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assuran ce s
 
2014-03-02 03:30:15 AM  

Daedalus27: LordJiro: Yeah, real smart there, Ukraine. Instead of giving up Crimea (Mostly Russian anyway, and home to the Russian Black Sea fleet so there was no way in Hell they were going to jeopardize that), you're gonna wave your dick at Putin.

God, I hope the rest of the world isn't dumb enough to get involved.

You are assuming if Ukraine does nothing that Russia is content to only occupy Crimea.  There are many eastern provinces in Ukraine with Russian populations, economic ties to Russia, and that could be incorporated into the Russian sphere of influence. Ukraine sitting back and doing nothing could result in Ukraine losing much of it's territory with no recourse.

Mobilization and deployment of soldiers does not mean a shooting war. It is preparations for one and gives Ukraine options and some tools to use in order to stem the loss of territory. It does increase the likelihood of war, but it may also blunt further Russian territorial aspirations if there is a risk of real opposition.  It also could lead to a miscalculation by either side resulting in a situation that wasn't intended and cannot be controlled.

It is a dangerous development, but not one that is unexpected.  After all, if someone invaded the US and took Florida, we would first thank them, but also the US would take steps to protect the rest of the states so as not to lose them rather than simply relying on the words of the party who just seized territory.


Well, they can also take the Bible Belt. But no more than that.
 
2014-03-02 03:31:57 AM  

Wolf892: So, in laymen speak, how close are we to WW III?


Only one side of the current issue has nukes.
 
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