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(SeattlePI)   City in Washington bans the sale of legal pot but then demands its cut of the state-wide tax revenue from legal pot   (seattlepi.com) divider line 169
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2014-03-02 07:42:41 AM  
because marijuana-related offenses will increase across Washington.


That's called begging the question.
 
2014-03-02 09:01:03 AM  
If you don't play, you can't win.
 
2014-03-02 09:02:21 AM  
Hahahahaha, they're obviously high anyway.
 
2014-03-02 09:02:46 AM  
So they want a tax contact high?
 
2014-03-02 09:03:28 AM  
37 marijuana DUIs but they're not wailing and gnashing teeth about alcohol for the other 200+

Totes not hypocrisy
 
2014-03-02 09:05:41 AM  
Conserviturd area huh? Like all conservative areas.. bunch of mooches not being boot-strappy enough to earn their own money so leech off Real Americans.
 
2014-03-02 09:08:34 AM  

EvilEgg: because marijuana-related offenses will increase across Washington.


That's called begging the question.


I would call it assuming facts not in evidence.
Mainly that legalization of marijuana will lead to an increase of driving under its influence.  Sure, the number of people who get high will go up, but I'd be willing to bet that anyone who would do so and then drive would have been DUI'ing last year too.
 
2014-03-02 09:18:26 AM  
fta The five council members in attendance agreed with staff that easier access to marijuana statewide could affect local law enforcement.

Ykimites are going to be DUIing in such large numbers that the City will have to hire more cops? Is it safe to assume the City has the study to back that up?
 
2014-03-02 09:20:48 AM  
Sure why use it to lower the taxes people pay, let's spend it on something.
 
2014-03-02 09:21:41 AM  

Notabunny: fta The five council members in attendance agreed with staff that easier access to marijuana statewide could affect local law enforcement.

Ykimites are going to be DUIing in such large numbers that the City will have to hire more cops? Is it safe to assume the City has the study to back that up?


As a matter of fact, they do.
 
2014-03-02 09:54:21 AM  
Next thing you know Democrat types will demand taxes on oil and gas despite opposing the drilling. Oh, wait.
 
2014-03-02 09:54:27 AM  

Doktor_Zhivago: 37 marijuana DUIs but they're not wailing and gnashing teeth about alcohol for the other 200+

Totes not hypocrisy


The area has a BOOMING wine industry.
 
2014-03-02 09:58:03 AM  

Noam Chimpsky: Next thing you know Democrat types will demand taxes on oil and gas despite opposing the drilling. Oh, wait.


wut
 
2014-03-02 10:01:28 AM  

Noam Chimpsky: Next thing you know Democrat types will demand taxes on oil and gas despite opposing the drilling. Oh, wait.


...and then refuse to pay budgeted items from the counties where the taxes were received.

Crap, you're right, we already did that.  Thanks Seattle folk for taking all of the transportation trust fund until the rest of us sued to get our money back.

/SSDD in this state
//only the perpetrators change
 
2014-03-02 10:04:50 AM  

Doktor_Zhivago: 37 marijuana DUIs but they're not wailing and gnashing teeth about alcohol for the other 200+

Totes not hypocrisy


"I'm prepared to defend cries of hypocrisy from now until whenever," Councilman Dave Ettl said."

So that's nice.
 
2014-03-02 10:17:26 AM  
FTA: But city had no specific estimate of how much crime might increase with legal recreational marijuana. There were 360 DUI cases in Yakima in 2013, 72 of which involved blood draws that found 37 individuals under the influence of marijuana and eight under both marijuana and alcohol.

Is it not difficult to accurately gauge physical impairment due to THC from a blood test? In these cited cases I'd be interested to know how they fared on the field sobriety test. I'd be willing to bet they are whining about a statistically irrelevant issue.
 
2014-03-02 10:26:51 AM  

MayoSlather: FTA: But city had no specific estimate of how much crime might increase with legal recreational marijuana. There were 360 DUI cases in Yakima in 2013, 72 of which involved blood draws that found 37 individuals under the influence of marijuana and eight under both marijuana and alcohol.

Is it not difficult to accurately gauge physical impairment due to THC from a blood test? In these cited cases I'd be interested to know how they fared on the field sobriety test. I'd be willing to bet they are whining about a statistically irrelevant issue.


It's nearly impossible to do with any accuracy. The THC remains in the bloodstream long after impairment would end, and the LEVEL of THC depends on frequency of use. Heavy users could have a "resting" amount of THC that appears high, with no impairment at all.
 
2014-03-02 10:28:26 AM  
Are they also going to ban alcohol(as it caused more DUIs), and then demand for their share of those tax revenues too?
 
2014-03-02 10:28:33 AM  

Noam Chimpsky: Next thing you know Democrat types will demand taxes on oil and gas despite opposing the drilling. Oh, wait.


Birfers Go Home.
 
2014-03-02 10:30:04 AM  

Noam Chimpsky: Next thing you know Democrat types will demand taxes on oil and gas despite opposing the drilling. Oh, wait.


Uhh, if the "Democrat types" actually wholly outlawed any oil or gas drilling in a certain area, then complained they weren't getting taxes from it... that would be a pertinent analogy. But that's just dumb, which is why I see you went with the analogy you suggested. It's still dumb, but dumb in a "Huh?!?" way, to give you time to clear the thread before you get any bites.
 
2014-03-02 10:34:22 AM  
It's your responsibility to pay for the enforcement of your laws. Most cities ban fireworks but they are still available in the county (where I live, at least). Cities don't turn around and charge the county for the enforcement
 
2014-03-02 10:36:25 AM  

EvilEgg: because marijuana-related offenses will increase across Washington.


That's called begging the question.

What kind of "marijuana-related offenses" are you expecting to see? Is the city gearing up for a surge in Grand Theft Cheeto?

 
2014-03-02 10:37:48 AM  
Yakima police Chief Dominic Rizzi said marijuana-related traffic offenses take officers more time because . . .

Perhaps he could just demand his officers not smoke grass on duty.
 
2014-03-02 10:38:11 AM  

HeartBurnKid: EvilEgg: because marijuana-related offenses will increase across Washington.


That's called begging the question.What kind of "marijuana-related offenses" are you expecting to see? Is the city gearing up for a surge in Grand Theft Cheeto?


They have a fairly large gang problem there. I'm not sure why they think keeping weed on the black market will help that, but I'm not a conservatard.
 
2014-03-02 10:43:29 AM  

rohar: Thanks Seattle folk for taking all of the transportation trust fund until the rest of us sued to get our money back.


Everybody in Eastern Washington is a filthy taker.  But they act like they are makers to help themselves feel less useless.
 
2014-03-02 10:43:58 AM  

MFAWG: HeartBurnKid: EvilEgg: because marijuana-related offenses will increase across Washington.


That's called begging the question.What kind of "marijuana-related offenses" are you expecting to see? Is the city gearing up for a surge in Grand Theft Cheeto?

They have a fairly large gang problem there. I'm not sure why they think keeping weed on the black market will help that, but I'm not a conservatard.


I've been told that black market sales are so elastic that if pot were legal the dealers could simply increase the production of other drugs to fill the income gap.

I have never been given explanation about why they hadn't already expanded to fill that market.
 
2014-03-02 10:44:46 AM  

BitwiseShift: Yakima police Chief Dominic Rizzi said marijuana-related traffic offenses take officers more time because . . .

Perhaps he could just demand his officers not smoke grass on duty.


There's an amazing disconnect between how we address alcohol and how we talk about weed. No one against weed legalization has publicly considered... treating impairment under weed just like impairment under alcohol. It's harder to test with breath (or, really, any way because of how we metabolize it), but whatever happened to walking in a straight line, trying to recite the alphabet backwards, counting, actual direct tests of a driver's impairment?

And why not have the same policy for work? No more drug tests because of how we metabolize THC, but if there's a suspicion someone is at work and high a basic competence test or simply searching the employee's locker/cube for a splif could do it. Don't smoke weed at work. See how easy that is? It's just like don't drink at work.
 
2014-03-02 10:46:19 AM  
My city bans oil drilling, but you better believe it wants its share of tax revenues generated by that industry within the state.
 
2014-03-02 10:46:53 AM  

Smackledorfer: MFAWG: HeartBurnKid: EvilEgg: because marijuana-related offenses will increase across Washington.


That's called begging the question.What kind of "marijuana-related offenses" are you expecting to see? Is the city gearing up for a surge in Grand Theft Cheeto?

They have a fairly large gang problem there. I'm not sure why they think keeping weed on the black market will help that, but I'm not a conservatard.

I've been told that black market sales are so elastic that if pot were legal the dealers could simply increase the production of other drugs to fill the income gap.

I have never been given explanation about why they hadn't already expanded to fill that market.


Considering how widely popular weed is, legalizing it (and maintaining broad and small business-friendly craft growing policies) could seriously cut into drug dealers that would then only deal with harder stuff, while "drug dealers" who peddle weed could go legitimate, fracturing the overarching drug trade into legal and illegal sections, protecting the softer drug dealers (like we protect bar owners and smoke shops) and weakening the harder drug dealers with fewer resources in the pool.
 
2014-03-02 10:48:05 AM  

Smackledorfer: MFAWG: HeartBurnKid: EvilEgg: because marijuana-related offenses will increase across Washington.


That's called begging the question.What kind of "marijuana-related offenses" are you expecting to see? Is the city gearing up for a surge in Grand Theft Cheeto?

They have a fairly large gang problem there. I'm not sure why they think keeping weed on the black market will help that, but I'm not a conservatard.

I've been told that black market sales are so elastic that if pot were legal the dealers could simply increase the production of other drugs to fill the income gap.

I have never been given explanation about why they hadn't already expanded to fill that market.


Because REASONS, you filthy Libtard.
 
2014-03-02 10:50:25 AM  
All dirt roads lead to Yakima.

There must be some way to make some kind of "hop head" joke (Yakima provides a substantial portion of the country's hops, andfor you whippersnappers, "hop head" is an old fashioned term for "marihuana addict") - but I need more coffee before I can attempt it.
 
2014-03-02 10:50:45 AM  

Cataholic: My city bans oil drilling, but you better believe it wants its share of tax revenues generated by that industry within the state.


1: Most oil drilling in Florida is off-shore.
2: On-land oil drilling industrializes areas makes them less appealing for tourist dollars.
3: Tourist locations understandably want to ban oil drilling in their regions for that reason.
4: Tourism generates a farkton more money for Florida than oil production.
5: Large-scale industrial production that directly affects the vicinity and its feasibility for tourism and other non-industrial activities is pretty far in concept from legal distribution of a consumer product.
 
2014-03-02 10:51:53 AM  

Superjew: rohar: Thanks Seattle folk for taking all of the transportation trust fund until the rest of us sued to get our money back.

Everybody in Eastern Washington is a filthy taker.  But they act like they are makers to help themselves feel less useless.


If we're so poor over here, why did the State break their own laws to steal what was ours, and committed to the trust fund by us, and funnel all of that money into the Alaska Way Viaduct project for years before construction even began?
 
2014-03-02 10:57:17 AM  

Cataholic: My city bans oil drilling, but you better believe it wants its share of tax revenues generated by that industry within the state.


Key West?

So do they have to share their tourism dollars with non-tourism "drilling" areas?
 
2014-03-02 10:58:47 AM  

rohar: Superjew: rohar: Thanks Seattle folk for taking all of the transportation trust fund until the rest of us sued to get our money back.

Everybody in Eastern Washington is a filthy taker.  But they act like they are makers to help themselves feel less useless.

If we're so poor over here, why did the State break their own laws to steal what was ours, and committed to the trust fund by us, and funnel all of that money into the Alaska Way Viaduct project for years before construction even began?


The poor get robbed all the time.
 
2014-03-02 10:59:24 AM  

ragekage: So do they have to share their tourism dollars with non-tourism "drilling" areas?


Sales tax etc I would i assume

Weird how that works. Same thing how dry counties in TN get sales tax dollars from alcohol in other counties from the State pool.
I don't agree with that but it would be kinda ridiculous to track every single dollar in order to prevent it.
 
2014-03-02 11:02:40 AM  

Bloody William: BitwiseShift: Yakima police Chief Dominic Rizzi said marijuana-related traffic offenses take officers more time because . . .

Perhaps he could just demand his officers not smoke grass on duty.

There's an amazing disconnect between how we address alcohol and how we talk about weed. No one against weed legalization has publicly considered... treating impairment under weed just like impairment under alcohol. It's harder to test with breath (or, really, any way because of how we metabolize it), but whatever happened to walking in a straight line, trying to recite the alphabet backwards, counting, actual direct tests of a driver's impairment?

And why not have the same policy for work? No more drug tests because of how we metabolize THC, but if there's a suspicion someone is at work and high a basic competence test or simply searching the employee's locker/cube for a splif could do it. Don't smoke weed at work. See how easy that is? It's just like don't drink at work.


Those field sobriety tests are nonsense. They're designed to be failed, which in turn gives the police probable cause to arrest. More than one DUI defendant has been acquitted because the arresting officer was unable to perform FSTs in front of the jury. Here's some free legal advice - never, ever agree to perform FSTs. You are not required to do so, and there's no good reason why you should.
 
2014-03-02 11:04:34 AM  

Yakima, ladies and gentlemen. Yakima.

Eastern Washington, in its prime. They hate our side of the state, but they need our money to survive. Conservatives, religious nuts, bigots - you'll find some of the nastiest of the white supremacists have groups in Eastern Washington - buoyed by the money pulled in by the Puget Sound area, and always pushing for more even as they spew their disgust of our "liberal ways." "Oh, we can't have pot here - but, damn, we sure want the money from pot..."

"I'm prepared to defend cries of hypocrisy from now until whenever," Councilman Dave Ettl said.

I wonder if he understands the definition of "defend"? Yelling back "I know you are, but what am I?" isn't a "defense." Greedy hypocrites, the lot of them.
 
2014-03-02 11:09:20 AM  

rohar: Superjew: rohar: Thanks Seattle folk for taking all of the transportation trust fund until the rest of us sued to get our money back.

Everybody in Eastern Washington is a filthy taker.  But they act like they are makers to help themselves feel less useless.

If we're so poor over here, why did the State break their own laws to steal what was ours, and committed to the trust fund by us, and funnel all of that money into the Alaska Way Viaduct project for years before construction even began?


You know, the eastern counties of Washington and Oregon could just secede to join the like-minded folks in Idaho, leaving the hippies west of the Cascades to their own devices. I'd be a plus-plus for everyone involved.
 
2014-03-02 11:09:39 AM  

FormlessOne: Yakima, ladies and gentlemen. Yakima.Eastern Washington, in its prime. They hate our side of the state, but they need our money to survive. Conservatives, religious nuts, bigots - you'll find some of the nastiest of the white supremacists have groups in Eastern Washington - buoyed by the money pulled in by the Puget Sound area, and always pushing for more even as they spew their disgust of our "liberal ways." "Oh, we can't have pot here - but, damn, we sure want the money from pot..."

"I'm prepared to defend cries of hypocrisy from now until whenever," Councilman Dave Ettl said.

I wonder if he understands the definition of "defend"? Yelling back "I know you are, but what am I?" isn't a "defense." Greedy hypocrites, the lot of them.


So what you're saying is that Yakima is Washington's Bakersfield.
 
2014-03-02 11:10:02 AM  

FormlessOne: Yakima, ladies and gentlemen. Yakima.Eastern Washington, in its prime


I have to take issue with this.  Yakima is almost dead center in the state.  It's actually slightly west of center.  The dividing line for "East" isn't the Cascades.  I'd suggest Eastern Washington starts at about Tri-Cities or Moses Hole.

The rest, I'm afraid I agree with completely.
 
2014-03-02 11:10:34 AM  

FormlessOne: Eastern Washington, in its prime. They hate our side of the state, but they need our money to survive. Conservatives, religious nuts, bigots - you'll find some of the nastiest of the white supremacists have groups in Eastern Washington - buoyed by the money pulled in by the Puget Sound area, and always pushing for more even as they spew their disgust of our "liberal ways."


The only thing I can add to what you've written here - every word of which is accurate - is to note for the non-Washingtonians that there is an element of racism involved. As you know, Yakima relies on a huge migrant farm labor population, which creates all sorts of problems in addition to what you've noted.
 
2014-03-02 11:12:05 AM  

Doktor_Zhivago: 37 marijuana DUIs but they're not wailing and gnashing teeth about alcohol for the other 200+

Totes not hypocrisy


I'm guessing the city hasn't banned alcohol.

The problem is, when you legalize an activity in a population, but allow subgroups the flexibility to ban that activity, you create additional headaches and expenses that would not otherwise occur within the population choosing to ban the activity.  Part of the taxes go toward the medical fall out of legalization which would probably cover blood draws as well.  I know it sounds like hypocrisy but legalization has created additional expenses for the town, the state would need to help out with the costs incurred by banned areas as well.

Universal problem.  Back in the eighties, there were a lot military members that thought that they were legally exempt from the military pot ban because it was legal in the next country over.  I imagine this issue pops up quite frequently in "dry" areas as its inhabitants simply step outside their circle to where pot is legal.
 
2014-03-02 11:12:45 AM  

Stone Meadow: rohar: Superjew: rohar: Thanks Seattle folk for taking all of the transportation trust fund until the rest of us sued to get our money back.

Everybody in Eastern Washington is a filthy taker.  But they act like they are makers to help themselves feel less useless.

If we're so poor over here, why did the State break their own laws to steal what was ours, and committed to the trust fund by us, and funnel all of that money into the Alaska Way Viaduct project for years before construction even began?

You know, the eastern counties of Washington and Oregon could just secede to join the like-minded folks in Idaho, leaving the hippies west of the Cascades to their own devices. I'd be a plus-plus for everyone involved.


Except that Spokane county has more in common with King county than anything surrounding us, sure.  I hate to break your stereotype, but this county is nothing like what surrounds us.  While it's currently slightly red, it's not by much.
 
2014-03-02 11:13:27 AM  

EvilEgg: because marijuana-related offenses will increase across Washington.


That's called begging the question.


You get extra points for the proper use of that fallacy.
 
2014-03-02 11:13:56 AM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Conserviturd area huh? Like all conservative areas.. bunch of mooches not being boot-strappy enough to earn their own money so leech off Real Americans.


No shiat. Those takers need to have their state and federal welfare cutoff.
 
2014-03-02 11:14:37 AM  

rohar: FormlessOne: Yakima, ladies and gentlemen. Yakima.Eastern Washington, in its prime

I have to take issue with this.  Yakima is almost dead center in the state.  It's actually slightly west of center.  The dividing line for "East" isn't the Cascades.  I'd suggest Eastern Washington starts at about Tri-Cities or Moses Hole.

The rest, I'm afraid I agree with completely.


Unfortunately, I tend to view the Cascades as the separator, and so, yes, Yakima's included in my blanket generalization, although I do agree with you that it gets worse once you get past Tri-Cities (I mean, dayum...). We can agree to disagree about the degree of derpiness in Yakima, but it's hard not to claim that Yakima's part of the derpy east when you get stuff like this rollout out of there on a regular basis.
 
2014-03-02 11:14:41 AM  

rohar: I have to take issue with this.  Yakima is almost dead center in the state.  It's actually slightly west of center.  The dividing line for "East" isn't the Cascades.  I'd suggest Eastern Washington starts at about Tri-Cities or Moses Hole.


Funny - I used to say exactly this. I even used to use the phrase "Moses Hole." I've given up that fight, though, and accept that Eastern Washington begins at Snoqualmie Summit.

BMulligan: FormlessOne: Eastern Washington, in its prime. They hate our side of the state, but they need our money to survive. Conservatives, religious nuts, bigots - you'll find some of the nastiest of the white supremacists have groups in Eastern Washington - buoyed by the money pulled in by the Puget Sound area, and always pushing for more even as they spew their disgust of our "liberal ways."

The only thing I can add to what you've written here - every word of which is accurate - is to note for the non-Washingtonians that there is an element of racism involved. As you know, Yakima relies on a huge migrant farm labor population, which creates all sorts of problems in addition to what you've noted.


To be clear, I know you referenced race with your comment about white supremacists, but I only wanted to underscore that the race relations issues are much broader than just the visible extremists - it's widespread throughout the community.
 
2014-03-02 11:15:29 AM  
God dammit, Yakima. Why do you have to be such an embarrassment for the entire state? You're the poster child for the worst about Eastern Washington, and you just seem to revel in being stupid, hypocritical and short-sighted.
 
2014-03-02 11:16:37 AM  

FormlessOne: rollout rolled out


FTFM. Froth, proof-read, and then click Add Comment...
 
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