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(MLive.com)   Today's reason Obamacare will destroy us all is... *shakes magic 8-ball* ... Poor people don't understand how insurance works, anyway, so it's wasted on them   (mlive.com) divider line 172
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2014-03-02 12:51:16 AM  
Wait, aren't poor people really good at taking advantage of government assistance? Isn't that why we have so many 'welfare queens' running around with their 'Obamaphones' taking advantage of section 8 housing, food stamps, etc?

Well? Which one is it? Incompetent boobs that couldn't take advantage of a government handout if it hit them in the face, or Machiavellian sorcerers?
 
2014-03-02 01:34:42 AM  
*facedesk*
 
2014-03-02 01:39:47 AM  
Did they drastically change the way a Magic 8-Ball works?
 
2014-03-02 01:52:37 AM  
There might be a point to that.
 
2014-03-02 01:59:00 AM  
They'd say that about lots of things. Like "Poor people don't understand how money works, anyway, so it's wasted on them", or "Poor people don't understand how college works, anyway, so it's wasted on them".
 
2014-03-02 01:59:33 AM  

DrBenway: Did they drastically change the way a Magic 8-Ball works?


It's the Republican version, so mainly just derpy talking points pop up.

/obviously the "Concentrate and ask again" part was too hard for a lot of them
 
2014-03-02 02:00:51 AM  

bdub77: Wait, aren't poor people really good at taking advantage of government assistance? Isn't that why we have so many 'welfare queens' running around with their 'Obamaphones' taking advantage of section 8 housing, food stamps, etc?

Well? Which one is it? Incompetent boobs that couldn't take advantage of a government handout if it hit them in the face, or Machiavellian sorcerers?


Both at the same time.

It's how Obama is the worst tyrant in the history of despots and also the most incompetent leader in the known free world.
 
2014-03-02 02:01:20 AM  
This author's whole premise is that poors can't learn or be taught or change their behavior.
 
2014-03-02 02:04:08 AM  
Television shows are not helping, either. A friend was watching that show with Kat Dennings's boobs, and durring a trip to the emergency room, one of the characters tells the other, "They have to take you because we all have that Obamacare now." That's not the only show I've seen that treats the ACA as if it were some sort of universal, single payer plan.

Of course, the educated and middle class aren't so great at knowing about it either. One of my high school classmates approvingly posted a story about a doctor who was refusing to take Obamacare.
 
2014-03-02 02:04:42 AM  

Epic Fap Session: This author's whole premise is that poors can't learn or be taught or change their behavior.


Republicans have been assuming that for a long time.
 
2014-03-02 02:11:57 AM  

mgshamster: Epic Fap Session: This author's whole premise is that poors can't learn or be taught or change their behavior.

Republicans have been assuming that for a long time.


They clearly base that assumption on the behavior of their own low income supporters.
 
2014-03-02 02:12:05 AM  

mgshamster: Epic Fap Session: This author's whole premise is that poors can't learn or be taught or change their behavior.

Republicans have been assuming getting elected because of that for a long time.

 
2014-03-02 02:15:37 AM  
*suddenly gets out of chair, starts running around and screaming*
 
2014-03-02 02:19:43 AM  

Kittypie070: *suddenly gets out of chair, starts running around and screaming*


You really need to go as soon as you feel the need to go to the bathroom, kitty.
 
2014-03-02 02:20:32 AM  

Kittypie070: *suddenly gets out of chair, starts running around and screaming*


*throws snowball @ kittypie to cool her off*
**hides behind snow fort**
 
2014-03-02 02:22:11 AM  

mgshamster: Epic Fap Session: This author's whole premise is that poors can't learn or be taught or change their behavior.

Republicans have been assuming that for a long time.


Also thanks for the TF sponsorship.

www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-03-02 02:24:30 AM  
Well, pretty much every allegedly employed poster on Fark who says things like "I'm a guy, howsacome my plan done covers lady doctors?" Clearly doesn't understand insurance.
 
2014-03-02 02:25:36 AM  
*sticks head in freezer*

I just dunno what to do with all this derp any more.
 
2014-03-02 02:25:43 AM  

Weatherkiss: mgshamster: Epic Fap Session: This author's whole premise is that poors can't learn or be taught or change their behavior.

Republicans have been assuming that for a long time.

Also thanks for the TF sponsorship.


It was for your comments in the other thread.
 
2014-03-02 02:26:09 AM  

BSABSVR: Well, pretty much every allegedly employed poster on Fark who says things like "I'm a guy, howsacome my plan done covers lady doctors?" Clearly doesn't understand insurance.


Don't blame them TOO much for that. That's just one of the RNC Approved Talking Points they're given. They're just doing their jobs.
 
2014-03-02 02:26:52 AM  

mgshamster: Weatherkiss: mgshamster: Epic Fap Session: This author's whole premise is that poors can't learn or be taught or change their behavior.

Republicans have been assuming that for a long time.

Also thanks for the TF sponsorship.

It was for your comments in the other thread.


Oh, gotcha. Thanks all the same. :D
 
2014-03-02 02:28:22 AM  
I've worked in insurance claims for 10 years and I can assure you 95% of people don't know how insurance works.
 
2014-03-02 02:34:51 AM  

Kittypie070: *suddenly gets out of chair, starts running around and screaming*


I have the scotch, pookie. It'll be OK. Here ya go.
 
2014-03-02 02:35:26 AM  

mgshamster: Epic Fap Session: This author's whole premise is that poors can't learn or be taught or change their behavior.

Republicans have been assuming that for a long time.


Here's a crazy idea; Everybody is covered for everything all the time. I wonder how that might change everybody's behavior.
 
2014-03-02 02:36:59 AM  

Notabunny: mgshamster: Epic Fap Session: This author's whole premise is that poors can't learn or be taught or change their behavior.

Republicans have been assuming that for a long time.

Here's a crazy idea; Everybody is covered for everything all the time. I wonder how that might change everybody's behavior.


I don't want to be covered for prostate exams. Thanks, Single Payerbama.
 
2014-03-02 02:37:25 AM  

dome maravilloso: I've worked in insurance claims for 10 years and I can assure you 95% of people don't know how insurance works.


True, but the political Republicans seem to be aggressively making people even more ignorant.
 
2014-03-02 02:41:11 AM  

dome maravilloso: I've worked in insurance claims for 10 years and I can assure you 95% of people don't know how insurance works.


And that's how insurance companies make their money. If people knew how insurance worked, they'd (the companies) go bankrupt.
 
2014-03-02 02:48:34 AM  
And from this whole exercise with ACA, it seems that no Republican understands how insurance works either.
 
2014-03-02 02:51:26 AM  

DrBenway: Did they drastically change the way a Magic 8-Ball works?


It was easier than making a headline out of "fridge magnet poetry"
 
2014-03-02 02:54:27 AM  

ongbok: And from this whole exercise with ACA, it seems that no Republican understands how insurance works either.


The whole Republican argument is flawed. People don't want to shop for insurance plans, they don't want policy "choices", and they don't want to juggle premiums and deductibles and co-pays and out-of-pocket caps etc. People want to see a doctor when their sick.
 
2014-03-02 02:57:45 AM  

Weatherkiss: Notabunny: mgshamster: Epic Fap Session: This author's whole premise is that poors can't learn or be taught or change their behavior.

Republicans have been assuming that for a long time.

Here's a crazy idea; Everybody is covered for everything all the time. I wonder how that might change everybody's behavior.

I don't want to be covered for prostate exams. Thanks, Single Payerbama.


Your doctor has big sausage fingers?
 
2014-03-02 03:00:02 AM  

Notabunny: Weatherkiss: Notabunny: mgshamster: Epic Fap Session: This author's whole premise is that poors can't learn or be taught or change their behavior.

Republicans have been assuming that for a long time.

Here's a crazy idea; Everybody is covered for everything all the time. I wonder how that might change everybody's behavior.

I don't want to be covered for prostate exams. Thanks, Single Payerbama.

Your doctor has big sausage fingers?


No, I just don't have a prostate. It's the reverse argument for GOP males who blame Obamacare for making them pay for female-related coverage when they aren't female.
 
2014-03-02 03:02:32 AM  

Weatherkiss: Notabunny: Weatherkiss: Notabunny: mgshamster: Epic Fap Session: This author's whole premise is that poors can't learn or be taught or change their behavior.

Republicans have been assuming that for a long time.

Here's a crazy idea; Everybody is covered for everything all the time. I wonder how that might change everybody's behavior.

I don't want to be covered for prostate exams. Thanks, Single Payerbama.

Your doctor has big sausage fingers?

No, I just don't have a prostate. It's the reverse argument for GOP males who blame Obamacare for making them pay for female-related coverage when they aren't female.


So you're saying you like big sausage fingers?

/ducks, runs
 
2014-03-02 03:12:38 AM  

Notabunny: Weatherkiss: Notabunny: Weatherkiss: Notabunny: mgshamster: Epic Fap Session: This author's whole premise is that poors can't learn or be taught or change their behavior.

Republicans have been assuming that for a long time.

Here's a crazy idea; Everybody is covered for everything all the time. I wonder how that might change everybody's behavior.

I don't want to be covered for prostate exams. Thanks, Single Payerbama.

Your doctor has big sausage fingers?

No, I just don't have a prostate. It's the reverse argument for GOP males who blame Obamacare for making them pay for female-related coverage when they aren't female.

So you're saying you like big sausage fingers?

/ducks, runs


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2014-03-02 03:16:32 AM  
Then help people understand how healthcare works and cut down on useless add-ons for procedures, this should have been an issue ACA or not and now everyone is mad about something that both sides want.
 
2014-03-02 03:26:08 AM  

DrBenway: Did they drastically change the way a Magic 8-Ball works?


Yes. Thanks, 8ballma!
 
2014-03-02 03:53:00 AM  
I especially like how he equates a tax exemption to healthcare spending.
 
2014-03-02 04:00:11 AM  
I've broken three fingers and a cheekbone facepalming over this story. Good thing I have health care insurance.

/wtf is wrong with these assholes?
 
2014-03-02 05:29:22 AM  

super_grass: Then help people understand how healthcare works and cut down on useless add-ons for procedures, this should have been an issue ACA or not and now everyone is mad about something that both sides want.


There are states where there are legal blocks to informing people about the ACA.
 
2014-03-02 05:37:07 AM  

Notabunny: mgshamster: Epic Fap Session: This author's whole premise is that poors can't learn or be taught or change their behavior.

Republicans have been assuming that for a long time.

Here's a crazy idea; Everybody is covered for everything all the time. I wonder how that might change everybody's behavior.


Oh, no. Then the poors will go ahead and get sick all the time, because someone else will just pay for their care.
They'll eat junk food because hey, heart disease and diabeetus treatment is free.
They'll smoke, because hey, free lung cancer treatment.
Unprotected sex, why not, free VD clinic.
The flu, gout, chronic joint injuries ... Allll someone else's problem.
You can't be enabling that kind of behavior. Study it out!
/Poe's Slaw-cheaper than regular slaw, and with none of the nutritive value!
 
2014-03-02 05:55:17 AM  

Bith Set Me Up: They'd say that about lots of things. Like "Poor people don't understand how money works, anyway, so it's wasted on them", or "Poor people don't understand how college works, anyway, so it's wasted on them".


It would make some sense if, perhaps, we instituted some sort of test, or exam, before one could vote. Just to make sure that only the properly educated could vote. There is just no way that could fail, and we should encourage our friends and relations to support this policy immediately. You know, for kids...
 
2014-03-02 06:13:15 AM  

Notabunny: Here's a crazy idea; Everybody is covered for everything all the time. I wonder how that might change everybody's behavior.


What happens then is that providers (legitimate and otherwise) start billing for every procedure and drug under the sun, whether it was necessary or not, or whether it even existed. That's how Medicare/Medicaid became a fraud magnet. It's awfully easy to steal from a system where not only is there poor oversight, but active political opposition to oversight.

It all comes down to this: any aspect of your health that you're unable to deal with yourself (e.g. asthma), or unwilling to deal with yourself (e.g being a two-pack-a-day fatass), is going to become either a business decision or a political decision, and generally some combination of both. The entire argument we're having now is over what the ratio of business to political should be - and nowhere is there the argument over how much the individual can handle on their own.

Take the argument over covering birth control. While the left and right go back and forth over who should cover what, whatever answer pops out of that sausage machine in the end will have the woman in the middle of all that still on the hook for the considerable time and out-of-pocket expense she'll be required to spend repeatedly arranging unnecessary appointments for unnecessary procedures, all to get a prescription for a product that the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology (who would know from the risks, so spare us the anecdotes) says should be available over-the-counter.

Imagine if a man who wanted to buy a package of condoms had to first:

1) take time off from work and arrange child care so that he can make a doctor's appointment
1a) sit around for an hour reading old issues of Redbook because the doctor's running late
2) be measured in a state of arousal for the proper size condom
3) be tested for allergies to condom materials and spermicides
4) be questioned on his sexual history and that of all previous and prospective partners
5) be tested for prostate cancer (regardless of age, risk factors or family history)
6) stand on line for half an hour at the pharmacy to get the prescribed condom (and ONLY the prescribed condom) and after a half-hour wait on line, well, gee, they're fresh out of that specific model and he'll have to try Walgreens instead
7) limit the number of condoms that can be purchased at one time because...well, it's a potentially dangerous medical product and the guy might overdose on sex

That would be idiotic. Right?

And yet here's the ACOG, having measured the risks and rewards of OTC birth control pills, saying "y'know, we should quit putting women through this runaround (which ain't cheap) and just let them go get their pills because they're smart enough to figure this shiat out themselves," - and I can't think of a single politician of stature from either party recommending it, except Bobby Jindal of all people.

Because they know who butters their bread - the providers who make mighty nice money from unnecessary tests and otherwise making women jump through hoops. The politicians and activists who call themselves pro-choice don't care about the hypocrisy of supporting the status quo of requiring women to undergo unnecessary and intrusive procedures to get birth control pills while railing against putting women through unnecessary and intrusive medical procedures to get abortions.
 
2014-03-02 06:33:10 AM  

Gulper Eel: Notabunny: Here's a crazy idea; Everybody is covered for everything all the time. I wonder how that might change everybody's behavior.

What happens then is that providers (legitimate and otherwise) start billing for every procedure and drug under the sun, whether it was necessary or not, or whether it even existed. That's how Medicare/Medicaid became a fraud magnet. It's awfully easy to steal from a system where not only is there poor oversight, but active political opposition to oversight.

It all comes down to this: any aspect of your health that you're unable to deal with yourself (e.g. asthma), or unwilling to deal with yourself (e.g being a two-pack-a-day fatass), is going to become either a business decision or a political decision, and generally some combination of both. The entire argument we're having now is over what the ratio of business to political should be - and nowhere is there the argument over how much the individual can handle on their own.

Take the argument over covering birth control. While the left and right go back and forth over who should cover what, whatever answer pops out of that sausage machine in the end will have the woman in the middle of all that still on the hook for the considerable time and out-of-pocket expense she'll be required to spend repeatedly arranging unnecessary appointments for unnecessary procedures, all to get a prescription for a product that the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology (who would know from the risks, so spare us the anecdotes) says should be available over-the-counter.

Imagine if a man who wanted to buy a package of condoms had to first:

1) take time off from work and arrange child care so that he can make a doctor's appointment
1a) sit around for an hour reading old issues of Redbook because the doctor's running late
2) be measured in a state of arousal for the proper size condom
3) be tested for allergies to condom materials and spermicides
4) be questioned on his sexual history and that ...


Sounds like a great argument for eliminating the profit motive from our healthcare system.
 
2014-03-02 06:42:43 AM  
There's this idea [among some of the Medicaid recipients] that health insurance is like car insurance: You use it when something really bad happens," said one of the researchers to USA Today.

It's the researchers with the wrong idea. Car insurance covers major accidents, not new transmissions. Similarly, homeowners' insurance replaces a home that burns down, not furnaces that break down. Real insurance is for disasters, not routine expenses. Only health "insurance" pays for everything.


So, the researchers say that health insurance is not like car insurance - it covers preventative care (oil changes) as well as major disasters.  But those researchers have the wrong idea because  only health "insurance" pays for everything.

ACA opponents?  It'd really help your theories if you didn't disprove their entire basic two sentences after you make them.
 
2014-03-02 06:43:23 AM  
The reason republican guys are worried that they have the same coverage the ladies do is simple. When Obummer forces them to get gay married they will need to coverage for their parts that are being used differently. Oh who are they kidding? If they are that concerned about it they are probably already using their parts that way.
 
2014-03-02 06:52:23 AM  
Some other reasons the Oregon Medicaid patients didn't "properly" use their new health insurance:

" ... knew they were using taxpayers' money and didn't want to waste it."


"... avoided care because they didn't know how much they would have to pay."

They innately knew to behave like customers worrying about cost, and would have done well if given the purchasing power over their routine expenses. But to use the screwed up system "properly," they need to be taught to ignore prices like the rest of us.


This jackass is just spouting off the same standard Republican theory that people should shop around for health care.  When they think they have the flu, they should be able to call around to each doctor's office to see how much it would cost to come in and get checked up.  When they're hit by a car, they should price check each hospital and ambulance service, along with getting quotes on all medicines and procedures they may need, along with the relative probability of needing those items, and then make an informed decision whilst bleeding out on the highway.

What do we have to do to finally make these idiots understand that health care simply does not and can not respond to the Invisible Hand of the Free Market - because no one who uses it can make a free choice.  You can't know the prices of what your choosing from because you can't know what you need, and you can't make a free choice because sometimes the choosing 'no' ends up with you in a grave.
 
2014-03-02 06:55:55 AM  

dome maravilloso: I've worked in insurance claims for 10 years and I can assure you 95% of people don't know how insurance works.


I think your percentage is too low.
 
2014-03-02 07:02:57 AM  

Karac: health insurance is not like car insurance - it covers preventative care


Actually, car insurance does cover preventative care. You get a discount for driver's ed classes and for presenting an entire year's worth of monthly passes for public transportation. (At least where I purchased it last.) So they subsidize many things that are likely to make you a less risky driver. I believe the same is true of homeowner's insurance but it's been so long since I've had to deal with that that I just can't think of an example.
 
2014-03-02 07:16:58 AM  

ginandbacon: Karac: health insurance is not like car insurance - it covers preventative care

Actually, car insurance does cover preventative care. You get a discount for driver's ed classes and for presenting an entire year's worth of monthly passes for public transportation. (At least where I purchased it last.) So they subsidize many things that are likely to make you a less risky driver. I believe the same is true of homeowner's insurance but it's been so long since I've had to deal with that that I just can't think of an example.


Discounts for keeping a fire extinguisher in the house is one that springs to mind.
 
2014-03-02 07:35:32 AM  

LesterB: ginandbacon: Karac: health insurance is not like car insurance - it covers preventative care

Actually, car insurance does cover preventative care. You get a discount for driver's ed classes and for presenting an entire year's worth of monthly passes for public transportation. (At least where I purchased it last.) So they subsidize many things that are likely to make you a less risky driver. I believe the same is true of homeowner's insurance but it's been so long since I've had to deal with that that I just can't think of an example.

Discounts for keeping a fire extinguisher in the house is one that springs to mind.


Good one.
 
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