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(Yahoo)   President Obama told President Putin on a call that sending troops to Ukraine flouted international law, ruined his Sunday, and he'll remove any Facebook likes he gave Putin, the very next time he's on Facebook ...... unless a staffer does it sooner   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 42
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2014-03-02 12:36:34 AM  
5 votes:

feckingmorons: The world knows he is impotent. Look at the fiasco Syria and his line in the sand.


Or rather, he realized that the majority of the country, including the vast majority of the people who elected him and support the Democratic party, didn't want another war, especially one in which we'd be either supporting the Assad regime or al qaeda, and thus he pulled back on the reins so that the Syrians can sort that mess out themselves.

This seems like another opportunity to keep our noses out of it.  If the conflict ends up becoming more than a flash-in-the-pan and starts to spill into the rest of Europe, we can step in.  Until then, this is an issue between the Ukraine and Russia, they can work the solution out themselves.
2014-03-02 03:25:42 AM  
3 votes:
There are good ways to avoid going to war. Proving to the world you are indecisive and in over your head is not one of them.
2014-03-02 01:14:30 AM  
3 votes:

feckingmorons: The world knows he is impotent. Look at the fiasco Syria and his line in the sand.


You mean that time we got Syria to stop using chemical weapons without having to fight another war?

You're an idiot chickenhawk who has no f*cking clue what it actually means to escalate to violence in this world, especially violence thousands of miles away from the shores of America, and last I checked that was more important than policing the whole f*cking world especially since no one is paying us for the privilege.

Get a life.
2014-03-02 12:20:08 AM  
3 votes:
Aww, sad. We're not going to get into a long, drawn out, pointless war halfway around the world that has minimal impact on ourselves as a country?

*sigh*
2014-03-01 11:01:29 PM  
3 votes:
The world knows he is impotent. Look at the fiasco Syria and his line in the sand.
2014-03-02 04:49:56 AM  
2 votes:
Or maybe, just maybe, Obama promised Putin most of the following:

- Kick Russia out of the G8
- EU stops buying Russian gas and oil (petro exports to Europe are the only thing separating Russia from third-world shiatholes)
- Full NATO and EU membership for Western Ukraine, with treaty protection
- Sanctions, trade restrictions, including personal travel bans and asset seizures against Putin and his oligarchs (no more villas in the tropics)

Were all that to happen, Russia's power would be halved within a decade.  Long term, this invasion looks like a bad move for Russia.
2014-03-02 04:28:01 AM  
2 votes:
So the reset thing still on or what?


gsiofa: Bush didn't involve the U.S. in the Russo-Georgian war in 2008, and a diplomatic effort from France/EU led to a ceasefire. Why should Obama lead the U.S. into war now?



Because, if you make it a habit, your opponent starts to confuse your lengthy diplomacy efforts for simply running away.
He sooner resorts to driving over every border with tanks. This creates bigger diplomatic kerfuffles and the risk of more violence.

/and lets be honest, how much is any promise of security from the west worth if everyone who signs on either dies in a revolt or gets invaded?
/Not saying that nukes are the only answer, but a little saber rattling wouldn't hurt.
/Altho too much could be confused with parkinsons.
2014-03-02 04:24:04 AM  
2 votes:

super_grass: demaL-demaL-yeH: super_grass: demaL-demaL-yeH: zerkalo: Republicans have battered-wife syndrome regarding Putin. They can't comprehend how anti-American he is because he is the enemy of their enemy.

Thanks for reminding me of another disgusting characteristic of the Birchers and their FoxNews-viewing followers: They really believe that fellow Americans who don't agree with their politics are enemies.

There's a double-poe going on here I just know it.

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It's wrong of me to find the mindset that produces crap like this disgusting?

Imaginary people who joke about shooting people they disagree with in a Russia discussion aside, I was talking about accusing others of being sympathetic to an anti-american leader and then accuse them of labeling people who they disagree with the enemy.

It's a sign of political hysteria, or at least lack of self awareness.


Don't try to tell me that the current crop of Republicans don't claim these values. Don't tell me that Ann Coulter, Roger Ailes and his talking hairdo crew, Limbaugh, Savage, and the rest of talk radio aren't espousing those views and calling "liberals" - whatever that means - "enemies of America." Tell me those stickers, and many more with messages along those lines, are imaginary, and that I don't see them plastered on the backs of vehicles pretty much daily.
2014-03-02 03:49:06 AM  
2 votes:
Why do people feel that Obama can't first open a dialogue with Putin, trying to diplomatically solve a situation, rather than go in guns blazing like a Texan cowboy?

F'ing morans.
2014-03-02 03:43:04 AM  
2 votes:

RanDomino: bdub77: feckingmorons: The world knows he is impotent. Look at the fiasco Syria and his line in the sand.

You mean that time we got Syria to stop using chemical weapons without having to fight another war?

Only a complete idiot would seriously believe that that was the real purpose of all that. It was an obvious attempt to open the door for bombing the Baathist military in order to save the Western/Saudi-backed mercenaries' asses. Assad and Putin let the CWs go (if there even were any) as a sacrificial lamb to make Obama look foolish and hypocritical if he didn't take yes for an answer. All the pearls-clutching about CWs was either an obvious ploy to carry out bombings of general military targets, or honest and hopelessly naive.


The "real purpose of that" is the Syrian regime is in the middle of a civil war, which doesn't actually have anything to do with us, and didn't want the US to destroy the only real advantages he has - heavy armor, air assets and artillery. Which is what would all turn in to piles of scrap within 48 hours if the US imposed the no-fly zone we were threatening to impose at the time after a couple of chemical weapons attacks. That's it. Pretty simple actually. We made a credible threat and Assad acted in his own best interests.

Of course if you WANT to believe in some retarded 3-dimensional chess fantasy/conspiracy, by all means... Turn up the volume on Fox news and masturbate harder.
2014-03-02 03:34:45 AM  
2 votes:
Thirteen thousand comments? Jeez the chickenhawks are out in force over on Yahoo.
2014-03-02 03:26:49 AM  
2 votes:
Since when did the USA worry about flouting international law?  What, is that only OK when we do it?
2014-03-02 12:45:40 AM  
2 votes:
This is just the weirdest talking point. Can anyone give a single actual military option they want Obama to employ?
2014-03-02 12:36:34 AM  
2 votes:
I'm sure Bush would have been much more decisive in handling this situation.
Of course he'd probably decide to attack New Zealand. But hey, you can't have everything.
2014-03-02 12:33:11 AM  
2 votes:
HOW DARE HE ATTEMPT TO EMPLOY DIPLOMACY!!!
2014-03-02 03:08:23 PM  
1 votes:

Gawdzila: BolloxReader: They were asking us for help in building Democratic institutions and we told them they were on their own. Now the world is reaping what we failed to sow because we couldn't be gracious in our "victory." They allowed us to rewire their controls for their nuclear weapons, for heavens sake. But we couldn't bring ourselves to help them in nonmilitary areas even when asked.

Why oh why couldn't we learn from the one time we got it right with the Marshall Plan?
The ability to gloat is worth absolutely nothing, especially compared to the difference between having stable and prosperous nation with which to trade goods, and angry, resentful, desperate ones who have a chip on their shoulder and nothing to trade but bombs.


Tscha. Yeah. You know what?

Um ... about that, too.
2014-03-02 02:49:08 PM  
1 votes:

GDubDub: There is a treaty. It is LAW that we intervene. LAW.


No.  The treaty states:

"The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine ... to respect the Independence and Sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine. "

These are the specific responsibilities that the signatories have:

* Respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty within its existing borders.
* Refrain from the threat or use of force against Ukraine.
* Refrain from using economic pressure on Ukraine in order to influence its politics.
* Seek United Nations Security Council action if nuclear weapons are used against Ukraine.
* Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against Ukraine.
* Consult with one another if questions arise regarding these commitments.



So NO, it is not at all clear that we have any legal obligation to intervene militarily against Russia.
2014-03-02 02:37:44 PM  
1 votes:

way south: If you're afraid that they'll use anti ship weapons they've never tested successfully (much less threatened to use against you) to the point that you can't even pretend you're willing to use force, they'll just keep pushing.
Our "no" doesn't have any meaning behind it.


You believe that anything short of threatening all out war is "meaningless"?
See, this is why Eisenhower warned against the military industrial complex.
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
2014-03-02 12:54:30 PM  
1 votes:
Obama will let Putin do whatever he wants to do in the area.
Must be part of Obama being 'more flexible' once he was in his second term.

And for those of you trying to say Reagan wouldn't have done anything different, at least Reagan wouldn't have skipped a WH national security council meeting like Obama did.
Obama can't even be bothered to attend a meeting about the issue.
2014-03-02 11:15:40 AM  
1 votes:
Remember when this meant something?

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2014-03-02 09:15:15 AM  
1 votes:
Wow... you armchair generals are just farking hilarious. You really want to risk American lives and WWIII for the farking Ukraine? Just pretend they are brown people and STFU.
2014-03-02 07:32:18 AM  
1 votes:

Wake Up Sheeple: All right Drew, this is the crap we put up with. The trolls that you say are bad for business. Yet, nothing. It's nice that someone sponsored me, but I'll continue to block your ads and pay you nothing for your site until you start policing this more and keeping to your word.


Waaaah! Someone is disagreeing with me in a debate! drew, ban him!!

/even if you are correct in a debate, such whining is pathetic
2014-03-02 07:18:10 AM  
1 votes:
All right Drew, this is the crap we put up with. The trolls that you say are bad for business. Yet, nothing. It's nice that someone sponsored me, but I'll continue to block your ads and pay you nothing for your site until you start policing this more and keeping to your word.
2014-03-02 06:55:37 AM  
1 votes:

Gentoolive: Bloody William: Gentoolive: Does Putin not realize he's dealing with a community organizer here?!

/fool better recognize

Describe to me the course of action you believe we should take.

Bring all of our soldiers home, protect our own borders and mind our own business?


Are you serious? How the hell are we gonna justify the billions of military spending we want if all we do is protect the country?
2014-03-02 06:48:28 AM  
1 votes:

Bloody William: Gentoolive: Does Putin not realize he's dealing with a community organizer here?!

/fool better recognize

Describe to me the course of action you believe we should take.


Bring all of our soldiers home, protect our own borders and mind our own business?
2014-03-02 04:59:46 AM  
1 votes:

demaL-demaL-yeH: Wake Up Sheeple: Don't let the wingnut advocating for WW3 derail the conversation. Walk it back each time. Make him own his stances. Otherwise it's just another gish gallop and you're chasing along as he fills the thread with useless noise.

What Russia is doing on sovereign Ukraine territory is extremely dangerous and provocative.
This is the kind of nightmare that haunts military planners, diplomats, and sane people everywhere.
Putin's move greatly strengthens the interim government in Ukraine: By invading, he gave Ukrainians a common external enemy to unite against.
They may have had strong disagreements about whether to align more closely with Russia or with the West, but since independence, they've come to think of themselves as Ukrainians.


It is. And it's very delicate. Some people in this thread are calling for the USA to intervene militarily right off the bat. I believe they're insane, or at the very least, extremely ignorant.
2014-03-02 04:57:05 AM  
1 votes:

Wake Up Sheeple: Don't let the wingnut advocating for WW3 derail the conversation. Walk it back each time. Make him own his stances. Otherwise it's just another gish gallop and you're chasing along as he fills the thread with useless noise.


What Russia is doing on sovereign Ukraine territory is extremely dangerous and provocative.
This is the kind of nightmare that haunts military planners, diplomats, and sane people everywhere.
Putin's move greatly strengthens the interim government in Ukraine: By invading, he gave Ukrainians a common external enemy to unite against.
They may have had strong disagreements about whether to align more closely with Russia or with the West, but since independence, they've come to think of themselves as Ukrainians.
2014-03-02 04:42:32 AM  
1 votes:

super_grass: Don't assume that those other people hate you as much as you hate them.


Who says I hate them? I find their politics of division and their lies disgusting.
2014-03-02 04:36:04 AM  
1 votes:

way south: So the reset thing still on or what?


gsiofa: Bush didn't involve the U.S. in the Russo-Georgian war in 2008, and a diplomatic effort from France/EU led to a ceasefire. Why should Obama lead the U.S. into war now?


Because, if you make it a habit, your opponent starts to confuse your lengthy diplomacy efforts for simply running away.
He sooner resorts to driving over every border with tanks. This creates bigger diplomatic kerfuffles and the risk of more violence.

/and lets be honest, how much is any promise of security from the west worth if everyone who signs on either dies in a revolt or gets invaded?
/Not saying that nukes are the only answer, but a little saber rattling wouldn't hurt.
/Altho too much could be confused with parkinsons.


For the same reason the USSR backed off and pulled their nukes (and military) from Cuba, the USA needs to not plant itself on another of Russia's borders.

And directly attacking Russia's military? Let's try talking first. Even without nukes, I don't want carrier groups to start sinking in random parts of the world.
2014-03-02 04:19:37 AM  
1 votes:
Poland and the rest of eastern Europe got sold into Soviet slavery by the democrats after being our invaluable allies by giving us the Enigma machine and running the best resistance in Europe until it was betrayed by Stalin at Warsaw. The democrats didn't approve of going back into Vietnam when the north was steamrolling them despite the peace treaty which said we would. Now Ukraine is asking us and NATO to honor the treaty we signed saying we'd protect their territorial integrity in exchange for giving up their nukes 20 years ago. To quote Animal House, "You screwed up, you trusted us." Obama's not going to break the democrats' perfect record of betrayal. The Russians murdered 8 million Ukrainians by starving them to death in a single winter causing The New York Times reporter to quip, "You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs." I wonder how many. Ukrainians the Russians will kill this time and I wonder what aphorism the New York Times will come up with this time.
2014-03-02 04:08:39 AM  
1 votes:

phrawgh: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 280x290]Why can't I just eat my waffle?


Damn you, now I want Belgian waffles. At motherf*cking 1 AM. And I don't own a waffle iron.
2014-03-02 03:54:00 AM  
1 votes:

super_grass: gsiofa: Bush didn't involve the U.S. in the Russo-Georgian war in 2008, and a diplomatic effort from France/EU led to a ceasefire. Why should Obama lead the U.S. into war now?

We can manage to cut off Russia on its one military port in the Caspian sea.


No, thank you. I'd rather my children live.

/And not glow in the dark.
2014-03-02 03:52:24 AM  
1 votes:

zerkalo: Republicans have battered-wife syndrome regarding Putin. They can't comprehend how anti-American he is because he is the enemy of their enemy.


Thanks for reminding me of another disgusting characteristic of the Birchers and their FoxNews-viewing followers: They really believe that fellow Americans who don't agree with their politics are enemies.
2014-03-02 03:47:33 AM  
1 votes:
Bush didn't involve the U.S. in the Russo-Georgian war in 2008, and a diplomatic effort from France/EU led to a ceasefire. Why should Obama lead the U.S. into war now?
2014-03-02 03:44:08 AM  
1 votes:
Reading Fark headlines just makes me pray for cancer these days. If you can't be the least bit funny, or at least not cause age lines on your readers, don't try to be funny.
2014-03-02 03:40:22 AM  
1 votes:
Republicans have battered-wife syndrome regarding Putin. They can't comprehend how anti-American he is because he is the enemy of their enemy.
2014-03-02 03:25:41 AM  
1 votes:

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Why can't I just eat my waffle?

2014-03-02 01:31:28 AM  
1 votes:

DamnYankees: This is just the weirdest talking point. Can anyone give a single actual military option they want Obama to employ?


Obama is weak because:
1) He didn't send strong language about a former superpower's encroachment into another sovereign nation.

Oh he did?

Well he's weak because:
2) He sent strong language but doesn't have the guts to start another war thousands of miles away against another nuclear armed nation.

See? I was right. Obama is such a chickensh*t pussy because he doesn't want to start World War III.
2014-03-02 12:45:51 AM  
1 votes:
The Ukraine does have its own pretty sizable military and they have stayed out of it so why should any other country even bother. Putin has always considered the Crimea part of Russia and the Naval base there important if Russia is ever to be considered a world power again or at least in the minds of Russians. Obama would have been better to ignore it publicly for the weekend and on Monday it should be done, It does not matter what he says it will be attacked anyway. There is no benefit to the US to do anything and most of the residents of the area speak Russian anyway and they western part in need of aid is still looking for cash.
2014-03-02 12:33:07 AM  
1 votes:

feckingmorons: The world knows he is impotent. Look at the fiasco Syria and his line in the sand.


Syria is only a fiasco because the global community at large didn't have the stones to take Bashir's regime out years ago.  Instead, they let him fester for decades, and then wring their hands (incl Obama) when it is far too late to anything effective, and the once civilian opposition has been infected by lunatics.
2014-03-01 10:58:51 PM  
1 votes:

EvilEeyore: Sounds like a plan to me.

Maybe we should follow the Fox News agenda and go all in for WWIII.


Go watch Jesus Camp and tell me they're not on their knees right now praying for the rapture to occur.
2014-03-01 10:42:39 PM  
1 votes:
Sounds like a plan to me.

Maybe we should follow the Fox News agenda and go all in for WWIII.
 
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