feckingmorons: The world knows he is impotent. Look at the fiasco Syria and his line in the sand.
gsiofa: Bush didn't involve the U.S. in the Russo-Georgian war in 2008, and a diplomatic effort from France/EU led to a ceasefire. Why should Obama lead the U.S. into war now?
super_grass: demaL-demaL-yeH: super_grass: demaL-demaL-yeH: zerkalo: Republicans have battered-wife syndrome regarding Putin. They can't comprehend how anti-American he is because he is the enemy of their enemy.Thanks for reminding me of another disgusting characteristic of the Birchers and their FoxNews-viewing followers: They really believe that fellow Americans who don't agree with their politics are enemies.There's a double-poe going on here I just know it.[img353.imageshack.us image 399x240]It's wrong of me to find the mindset that produces crap like this disgusting?Imaginary people who joke about shooting people they disagree with in a Russia discussion aside, I was talking about accusing others of being sympathetic to an anti-american leader and then accuse them of labeling people who they disagree with the enemy.It's a sign of political hysteria, or at least lack of self awareness.
RanDomino: bdub77: feckingmorons: The world knows he is impotent. Look at the fiasco Syria and his line in the sand.You mean that time we got Syria to stop using chemical weapons without having to fight another war?Only a complete idiot would seriously believe that that was the real purpose of all that. It was an obvious attempt to open the door for bombing the Baathist military in order to save the Western/Saudi-backed mercenaries' asses. Assad and Putin let the CWs go (if there even were any) as a sacrificial lamb to make Obama look foolish and hypocritical if he didn't take yes for an answer. All the pearls-clutching about CWs was either an obvious ploy to carry out bombings of general military targets, or honest and hopelessly naive.
Gawdzila: BolloxReader: They were asking us for help in building Democratic institutions and we told them they were on their own. Now the world is reaping what we failed to sow because we couldn't be gracious in our "victory." They allowed us to rewire their controls for their nuclear weapons, for heavens sake. But we couldn't bring ourselves to help them in nonmilitary areas even when asked.Why oh why couldn't we learn from the one time we got it right with the Marshall Plan?The ability to gloat is worth absolutely nothing, especially compared to the difference between having stable and prosperous nation with which to trade goods, and angry, resentful, desperate ones who have a chip on their shoulder and nothing to trade but bombs.
GDubDub: There is a treaty. It is LAW that we intervene. LAW.
The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine ... to respect the Independence and Sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.
* Respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty within its existing borders.* Refrain from the threat or use of force against Ukraine.* Refrain from using economic pressure on Ukraine in order to influence its politics.* Seek United Nations Security Council action if nuclear weapons are used against Ukraine.* Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against Ukraine.* Consult with one another if questions arise regarding these commitments.
way south: If you're afraid that they'll use anti ship weapons they've never tested successfully (much less threatened to use against you) to the point that you can't even pretend you're willing to use force, they'll just keep pushing.Our "no" doesn't have any meaning behind it.
Wake Up Sheeple: All right Drew, this is the crap we put up with. The trolls that you say are bad for business. Yet, nothing. It's nice that someone sponsored me, but I'll continue to block your ads and pay you nothing for your site until you start policing this more and keeping to your word.
Gentoolive: Bloody William: Gentoolive: Does Putin not realize he's dealing with a community organizer here?!/fool better recognizeDescribe to me the course of action you believe we should take.Bring all of our soldiers home, protect our own borders and mind our own business?
Bloody William: Gentoolive: Does Putin not realize he's dealing with a community organizer here?!/fool better recognizeDescribe to me the course of action you believe we should take.
demaL-demaL-yeH: Wake Up Sheeple: Don't let the wingnut advocating for WW3 derail the conversation. Walk it back each time. Make him own his stances. Otherwise it's just another gish gallop and you're chasing along as he fills the thread with useless noise.What Russia is doing on sovereign Ukraine territory is extremely dangerous and provocative.This is the kind of nightmare that haunts military planners, diplomats, and sane people everywhere.Putin's move greatly strengthens the interim government in Ukraine: By invading, he gave Ukrainians a common external enemy to unite against.They may have had strong disagreements about whether to align more closely with Russia or with the West, but since independence, they've come to think of themselves as Ukrainians.
Wake Up Sheeple: Don't let the wingnut advocating for WW3 derail the conversation. Walk it back each time. Make him own his stances. Otherwise it's just another gish gallop and you're chasing along as he fills the thread with useless noise.
super_grass: Don't assume that those other people hate you as much as you hate them.
way south: So the reset thing still on or what?gsiofa: Bush didn't involve the U.S. in the Russo-Georgian war in 2008, and a diplomatic effort from France/EU led to a ceasefire. Why should Obama lead the U.S. into war now?Because, if you make it a habit, your opponent starts to confuse your lengthy diplomacy efforts for simply running away.He sooner resorts to driving over every border with tanks. This creates bigger diplomatic kerfuffles and the risk of more violence./and lets be honest, how much is any promise of security from the west worth if everyone who signs on either dies in a revolt or gets invaded?/Not saying that nukes are the only answer, but a little saber rattling wouldn't hurt./Altho too much could be confused with parkinsons.
phrawgh: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 280x290]Why can't I just eat my waffle?
super_grass: gsiofa: Bush didn't involve the U.S. in the Russo-Georgian war in 2008, and a diplomatic effort from France/EU led to a ceasefire. Why should Obama lead the U.S. into war now?We can manage to cut off Russia on its one military port in the Caspian sea.
zerkalo: Republicans have battered-wife syndrome regarding Putin. They can't comprehend how anti-American he is because he is the enemy of their enemy.
DamnYankees: This is just the weirdest talking point. Can anyone give a single actual military option they want Obama to employ?
EvilEeyore: Sounds like a plan to me.Maybe we should follow the Fox News agenda and go all in for WWIII.
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